OLD WORLD Event - Tomb Kings Event in Review - Warhammer The Old World | Skaredcast

[@XandersArcaneStudy]

Hey Skari! I was your opponent in round one. I had a great time losing to your undead forces! Looking forward to more events in Barrie. :)

[@SkaredCast]

it was a great time!

[@jigsawnerd]

Keeping a positive attitude is always a help in most situations. Difficult people generally don't know how to handle tempered reason and flounder.

[@SkaredCast]

🎉

[@valheffelfinger6521]

We can't take for granted how far we've come in the AoS and 40k communities. Thanks for this report! We'll have some work to do to learn how to play with strangers in tOW too. But thanks for emphasizing that it can be done and that the good far outweighs the bad! One thing I'd quibble with is that this is "just toy soldiers." Its also true that golf is "just hitting a ball w a stick" and that soccer is a "child's game" and that basically all games are essentially meaningless abstractions. However we DO take them seriously. And that is part of the fun. And taking something seriously does not mean we have to be dicks about it. Taking something seriously means giving it the respect it deserves for the time and effort we as a community put into it. That can be painting, collecting, playing or all of the above. The key isn't not taking it seriously because it's just toy soldiers, the key is giving your opponent respect and playing in a way that is collaborative and positive for both sides.

[@SkaredCast]

Collaborative and positive gameplay is key ! Thank you for chiming in Val , I really appreciate it.

[@derekgehring2771]

SURPRISE CELEB Appearance from Val! That last paragraph should be mandatory reading for everyone in wargaming. Mandatory down vote for Skari

[@Champion_Eternal]

@@derekgehring2771 'Mandatory down vote for Skari' Looks like we found one of the people who cause problems. Part of respecting your opponent is realizing it IS toys, and that a human is on the other side of said toys. Your respect for your fellow man cannot outweigh, or even equal, your nerdy passion for your minis. This coming from a huge nerd who is very passionate himself.

[@lootnscoot50]

Skari i genuinely admire you and your ability to communicate. I was super stoked to see you stepping into old world games. This video reminds me of a RTT I was in for 40K a few months back, I was playing against Someone who was playing space wolves and he was being really loose with his measurements and was speed playing so fast I had to ask him to slow down, and explain his rules, or just have him actually measure out his moves on multiple occasions. He lost his temper turn 2 when he was insisting he didn’t have to connect with both units he targeted with a multi charge. I had said I wanted to get a judge a couple times before, and each time he got angry and was like No! We don’t need a judge! Anyway he conceded while the judge was there, and then changed his mind but refused to keep playing. The kicker was we were n turn 1.5, and he was already beginning to lose he game. The judge called it right there in round 1.5, gave me points for whatever I was standing in and the other guy got the win AFTER conceding and reversing himself, then refusing g to keep playing. I am still super sour about the way the judge handled it. I make a lot of good connections at tournies and have a good time with almost all my opponents but this game still kinda sticks in my craw. Anyway you are a class act, and I thank you for sharing your story. Please keep the old world content coming!

[@SkaredCast]

Old world shall continue !

[@Marshallo.o]

Oh that was the game you mentioned previously! Thanks for sharing your insights on the subject. You are one of the nicest advocates of the Warhammer community IMO!

[@SkaredCast]

Yeah that was the one. I let it simmer for a week or so before making the video to make sure it was not just me reacting.

[@GrafWattenburg]

Maybe it would be an idea to share examples of what your opponent did/give general examples of what's unacceptable behavior and what's okay. I think a lot of people struggle with knowing where to draw the line, both in how to act themselves and in what to expect/put up with in competitive gaming. Where is the line between gotchas and outplayed, for example.

[@SkaredCast]

Indeed ! I replied to the most up voted comment

[@vandur2322]

Yeah, it's hard to know what you were saying was wrong. For all I know you just got mad because your dragon couldn't kill dwarves.

[@Limerang202]

As someone from southern Ontario who doesn't go to events, I love these style of tournament videos you do. Always great content!

[@SkaredCast]

Glad you like them!

[@tsarovich2394]

I suppose you were like, not trying to call someone out specifically, but you kind of skirted around the specific behavior and I personally think it begs a lot of questions. Yeah dont be a douche, definitely, i think we all agree there. but what was he specifically doing to be a douche?

[@raphwalker9123]

I also want to know.

[@Perkustin]

Yeah agreed, for all we know he just walked off and ruined a fun game for someone. Or maybe he lacks self awareness and was actually being passive aggressive or made a personal comment that hurt the dude's feelings, so he was being understandably frosty, or just decided to flake with no indication or warning without being willing to talk things through.

[@alexmadrigal9703]

Yeah, without the details, this is kind of a nothing-burger. You don't have to name the player, but it's important to know the whole story here, or at least specific details about what was done that was unsportsmanlike.

[@SkaredCast]

I did not want to really go into too much detail. It’s not really worth the extra time and effort , but I don’t mind explaining here for you since you asked. It was a build up of 2-3 things that then culminated in dynamic that made me feel shitty and crossed a line so I I chose to end the game. - early in the game he adamantly stated that I was playing how to hit wrong (bringing up old ws on ws chart rules) , did not seem to like when I looked it up and showed him that I had been playing it right. - I had a wind blast do a mega hit into a small unit of guys with full plate and some sorta gun, he failed all his saves (would have killed the unit) rolled for wards and passed 2 of them. Next turn, the same unit runs into a vortex , and one more does , we realize that the ward they get is only from fire, I remind him about the wards he made before and became quite rude saying he had not. And then, to top it all off he accused me of vanguarding my tomb scorpion too far before the game even started , and that this had allowed my scorpion to make a charge that he said was not possible - the problem here was a) I had not even moved the scorpion the full vanguard move , and B) when I rolled the charge, he had been the one that measured my model and even moved it before I had a chance to measure myself … So? At that point I was aware that my opponent did not seem to want to have an amicable game (once he tried to flip it into me) and I called the judge over and conceded the game. I don’t have time for petty bickering.

[@editor2766]

I think you made the right decision and what you say in the video, that it helps protect others in the community, very true. Also dragon does sound amazing!@@SkaredCast

[@jeremyIB]

Great video Skari! I gotta point out that the first event in Canada and the world was held in January in Alberta. Gotta remind you Ontario folks we exist out here haha

[@SkaredCast]

Thanks for the info!

[@jordanyoung3541]

Sorry to hear the day ended on such a sour note, but good to see videos like this to help turn the tide against poor sportsmanship on the tourney scene.

[@SkaredCast]

Thanks !! I for one am excited for the next one.

[@screwnacorn]

Aren’t the scorpions bases meant to be 75mm wide and 50mm deep?

[@SkaredCast]

Maaaybe?

[@droghaden]

@@SkaredCast They are. You can also see this in the webstore now. Nice video. Sorry that happened to you!

[@jamesruskin992]

I actually had an experience at a tournament with a guy in the second (of four) rounds. Back in 7th Ed 40k (when Chaos were pretty gnarly in close combat) the guy lost his composure when my defiler survived two land raiders and a devastator squad unloading into it. It then proceeded to get a lucky scatter on the defiler cannon and wrecked both Landraiders (both rolling 6s for the penetration rolls AND 6s for the damage results… I have never gotten that lucky since) every defiler cannon shot afterwards he argued the scatter roll saying I wasn’t moving the blast in the direction indicated. It got to the point where a judge had to watch us. He even told the judge I was using weighted dice. Which the judges tested and concluded I wasn’t… but he still kept arguing almost every die roll after wards. He proceeded to be pretty toxic in both rounds afterwards, not that the tournament organisers actually did much about him. I was the only guy he lost to in the tournament too, but I think that was more to do with his opponents not speaking up as much as I did.

[@SkaredCast]

Makes sense. ! Sadly this does happen at times.

[@jamesruskin992]

@@SkaredCast yep, this is the sad situation some times. Suffice to say the guy didn’t win a sportsmanship award. I know it’s not often people are that determined to win that it spoils it for everyone involved but you do get them from time to time. Just out of question how did the guy you came across place in the event?

[@Flummoxed_Buffoon87]

I heard Val Heffelfinger from the Square Bassed podcast was there as well.

[@SkaredCast]

He sadly was not there .

[@cyberjonesy]

The single most important thing in life is respect. The moment you start respecting people around you, you will see that their attitudes will change and become friendlier in most cases. Its a shame that some people don't abide by this principle because it makes life so much easier and pleasant. There is this thing with sports and competitions in general where some opponents will try to destabilize you. I don't know if you have seen the movie "Hustle" because I think it tackles this subject beautifully. Anyway, I know that everything is relative and if you're just trying to have a fun day and not being competitive, I support your decision to stand up to your principles and walk away. Respect, stay like you are we love you Skari.

[@SkaredCast]

Means a lot thank you !

[@Headstrong267]

Hey noticed your tomb scorpions are on their bases long ways, however the tomb scorpion entry in the book has them on 75x50, not 50x75, so ive glued my on so they are wider in the front... just wondering what peoples take on this is

[@SkaredCast]

Yeah lol! A few folks have brought that up lol

[@Headstrong267]

@SkaredCast haha oh good, was just making sure I didn't do mine wrong

[@MilliardoMK]

Great content as usual, Skari. Keep it coming!

[@SkaredCast]

Thanks, will do!

[@keithrogers6876]

I read what happened with the not fun game in your reply to someone else in the comments. I think you made the right decision not going in to details in the video, and instead talking about the positives of the day and reminding people that sportsmanship is important ^^ The main thing this reminds me of is back in the days of WHFB my two favourite armies were Tomb Kings and High Elves. I never ran either of them optimized and just used the units I liked (Skeleton Heavy Horsemen for example). The two main things I remember from back then are: Tomb Kings: had a guy using mass Nurgle Chaos Warriors (festus, the whole shibang), I had killed like 4 chaos warriors total and lost almost my entire army.. My last few skeletons on their way out killed his beefed up super Chaos Lord, before crumbling to combat resolution and thus I was tabled. You would think the guy had the worst game of his life, carrying on about it being bullshit and it shouldn't happen.. I said to him "seriously? you tabled me and only lost like 5 models, and now you are ruining the tiny funny victory I had as I lost?". High Elves: spent almost every game listening to opponents complain about 'always strike first' as I struck them first and kill a few models, and then the strike back kills half my unit of very points intense Elves lol.

[@SkaredCast]

😊

[@julienb4036]

It happens. Brush it off and keep having fun!

[@SkaredCast]

Thank you !

[@girlhunter2102]

The last opponent in my last fantasy tournament felt so bad his comet took out most of my Wood Elf tree army. We both knew the game was over after that but I stuck it out. Neither of us was being a bad sport or anything but that’s a memory that will stick with me. Poor wood elves with their bad ward that couldn’t be used against magic dying to a comet from the sky.

[@SkaredCast]

Those are some stories !

[@IronDuke_xX]

Love your catapult mini, great video.

[@SkaredCast]

Thanks !

[@whotookmydice]

Great review of the tournament. I’ve been in the same position. We all enter into this contract and need to adhere to it. Some don’t understand this. Some NEED to win, they need to be the winner and that overtakes everything.

[@SkaredCast]

Thank you for the comment.

[@MasculineSkeleton]

You still have the exact same luck I do with your catapults. Unfortunately for me the way I've been playing since release they are my only rare option. The royal court has the magic weapon I based a lot of my Dynasty's lore off. I'm wondering if I should spend 500 points on 4 of them and see if I can have one that didn't die on misfire past turn 3.

[@SkaredCast]

They are so awesome , but also, so volatile lol.

[@MasculineSkeleton]

Ironically as stone throwers they were supposed to be the most forgiving on misfires. Without fail I always roll "destroyed" even back when it only happened on a 1. I will however never forget the time I managed to scare an entire 40 rat brick of stormvermin off the board back in 8E. That is the one time I think it ever worked for me.

[@geeksworkshop]

I remember playing in a WFB tournament back in 6th and some guy I was playing was rolling extra dice and then picking up misses. I warned him once that I saw what he was doing. He continued and I pointed at him and said stop cheating you are a cheater. The organizer came over and spoke to us and ended up giving him a yellow card. But his 1st opponent then came other to me and said he did the same thing to him, but he just didn't say anything. Most people avoid challenging situations and turn a blind eye, until someone speaks up. WFB tournaments had a reputation back in the day for being unfriendly, lets not allow that to happen again.

[@SkaredCast]

Yeah, have to say something !

[@joigiss653]

Skari You get a big 👍 for Calling out those that make others feel uncomfortable at tournament or gameplay event. As one that is socally ackward at best I have strugled to even go to small local events because I do not want to be "that guy" knowing that my temper has a tendency to get the better of me. As I know this I try to ask my opponets in advance to let me know if I go over there line and if I do so I apologize and conseed the game. Finaly Your awsome Skari and I have a lot of fun watching your videos.

[@SkaredCast]

Thanks for the comment !

[@jamessmithiii4129]

props for admitting to something you struggle with... especially in an online space. Also, fair play for apologizing and conceding when you feel it's the right thing to do. My food for thought, however, is are you working on creating a positive change for yourself which will carry over into your interactions? Being "socially awkward" and having an anger problem might overlap but are definitely two different things. If I was playing someone for the first time I'd much rather get the "socially awkward" disclaimer at the beginning of a game than the anger disclaimer. And I think in this wargaming space, socially awkward is probably a little expected. Anyways bro, good luck!

[@Happykrumpingwargaming007]

100% agree you did the correct thing buddy, sad to see that happened.

[@SkaredCast]

🎉

[@clearym8040]

How do you feel elementalism holds up to necromancy in general? Plague of rust is obviously huge and earthern ramparts & mystic pathways are very nice for the bricks, but the LD stuff just seems too strong to pass up on in any lists with terror, catapults and caskets. Even just a lot of archers can cause panic. In the undead match ups you can still shut down the healing, will be done, necrotect reroll, etc... even if it doesn't break them.

[@SkaredCast]

I love illusion or elementalism they are great toolkit magics.

[@clearym8040]

@@SkaredCast they are for sure, but I feel like both need a lore familiar to take advantage of the correct tools since they both cover a pretty broad range. Necromancy focuses on the Debuff for the most part and is really easy to just roll on with a lvl 4 to me if you're packing any of the war machines.

[@DrGreening7]

I'm glad you held someone accountable for the way they treated you. I hope they could take this situation as a moment to reflect how they are coming off. I think of you as a bastion of positivity in the wargaming community and it takes courage to stand up for yourself and others.

[@SkaredCast]

Thanks !

[@alessandropatria1027]

Sorry for the last game Skari! Hope that the rest of the day was more enjoyable to forget that annoying moment. Just to share, months ago I had similar episodes, always with the same person, who also turned a bit against me the local store guy. 1st time, in a just for play event at 1000 points of 40k, it's the first match of three. Mr X and me are newbies of the 10thsystem, he start to talk a lot and beeing super slow with deployment (also we were using combat patrol size field). I chat, but I ask if we please can hurry, because all other tables where at start of 2round. At my first turn of shooting with drukhari. After a shoot from the kabs in the raider, he starts basically mantra repeating "yeah but when it's my turn? they shoot too much!I didn't even played yet" again and again. Initially I am empathic and explain, i know, now druks are a shooting army, i am at full units now etc, then i loose it after the 6th time he repeated it. I stop the game (at second turn)and say, ok you win, good next game, and leave the table. He is all "nono i didn't want make drama, i'm sorry ecc ecc" I say no problem and keep with the day. Couple months after, I get sorted against Mr X at a game of kill team campaign. We both are tense, I had to explain him the rules for retainde dice on cover and he didn't trust me or understand words from the manual, He is loosing the team but on the point we are at a tie in the 3rd turn. So he say "well i'm retiring so I protect the remaining operatives from injuries" Ok, so I start counting the points to give to the store guy. But Mr x says "But if I retire you can't do anymore points" I say, well, I dont' think it works that way, and get supported from the players around. So then a day after, the local store guy come to me and say "ohi Mr X said to me you didn't allow him to retire. Don't be a jerk, ok?" I was so thrown off that I hadn't the reflexes to stand up, as the guy goes to some clients. Now every time I see mr X in the store, we basically throw each other semideath stares. Things like that basically brings my enjoyment of the game and community to 0. Luckily i've found other guys/gals who are a pleasure to play with!

[@SkaredCast]

Good thing you have a great group to play with now .

[@snoozitoo]

Was this tournament on BCP at all? :) would love to get the data

[@SkaredCast]

Not sure why the full name is.

[@biggusjimmus1831]

Hi! totally new to the old world, playing a rough cut n shut 2k tomb king army, getting rolled by my friends dwarves who has lots of artillery! Any pointers for a beginner on what to play? :D Love the painted minis! they look awesome.

[@SkaredCast]

Use ambush!

[@biggusjimmus1831]

@@SkaredCast i have 1 unit that can, how is it normally played? Get them behind the units?

[@isydust3164]

great speech, man. I played underworlds some time ago, and 2 games were cool and fun, simple rules helped a lot. 3-rd and 4-th games were another experiance, opponents just had rosters, that i could kill in only one way or lose, and when i managed to pull the games(2:1) and (1:2), they became angry and upset, even if i lose. They talked a lot about my tactics and unbalance, but when their models just go kill mine without a chance, it was alright. i felt like its not fair, when one goblin killed 3/4 of my team with 1 attack, but sad nowithing and tried to play better, but my opponents were almost crying after every lost wound. It was meh. But i managed to stomp one toxic player and many people were having fun)

[@SkaredCast]

Thanks for watching !!

[@dylan9025]

Love your work man!

[@SkaredCast]

I appreciate that!

[@coureurdesbois6754]

Where was the event?

[@SkaredCast]

At the forge

[@Wulfseal]

Thank you for taking the time to share the good and the bad. As others have noted some examples of what you found to be poor behavior would be appreciated.

[@SkaredCast]

I did comment on one of the replies on the specifics.

[@gokuprimenz]

💯 call them out and make sure the judge is aware so the offender can be identified even if not for that event but future ones. Peoples reputations follow them and the community will weed out those people

[@SkaredCast]

The community is good at policing itself for sure!

[@leopold_war_gamer]

thanks for the video. 3:45 Monster slayer do not work agains dragon)) They are Behemoth, not a monster.

[@SkaredCast]

I believe we had that come up, and there is a reference to behemoths being monsters.

[@Yurt_enthusiast7]

Aren't Behemoth a Monster sub category?

[@leopold_war_gamer]

hm...so dude cheat with me((@@SkaredCast

[@Yurt_enthusiast7]

@@leopold_war_gamer hopefully just misread the rules, everyone isn't necessarily a holes

[@philgagnon275]

I had this happen back in 6th just after the riptide model dropped. Was a 500 pt tournament. 2 qualifier rounds then three rounds in your bracket. I played Dark Eldar and won my first qualifier and lost my second to a guy who... I cannot describe how full of himself... How miserable a time I had playing against him. Thought I was clear of him until I ended up playing for first in my bracket... Against him. I just pushed models and rolled dice and just generally didn't give a damn about the game. Took second but it definitely soured my day. He is still currently banned from all 40k tournaments in the LFGS I go to after he caused issues constantly. I now only go to doubles and found them much more enjoyable. Hope your next event you don't run into another one of "these guys."

[@SkaredCast]

Team events are the best .

[@kal_spriggs]

I jokingly used to say that the WAAC Magic players coming into 40k and WHFB really changed the "feel" of tournaments, which shifted from fairly "balanced" lists to optimized lists. As you said, it's a game with toy soldiers. It should be fun. It can be hard to have fun, sometimes, if your opponent isn't even engaging in a friendly manner, regardless of how the game goes. Some of my favorite games ever were total losses on my part, because the opponent was fun and we could laugh about the silliness of the dice. That said, I really do hope there are more narrative events for The Old World, as my pain threshold for people having the "gotta win, need to win, must win" attitudes has decreased. I'm here to throw dice, have fun with others, and come back with crazy stories about how things went.

[@SkaredCast]

I love a good crazy story !

[@BayushiMaru]

I had a game like that once (AOS) also decided to conceded bottom of 2nd turn .... as other guy was extremely toxic.....never regretted that decision. Also never seen that particular person at a AOS event since.

[@SkaredCast]

That makes sense !

[@Cyrsia]

Sorry to hear! I always hast a good time with 40K tournaments, i hope this will be the same with old world tournaments 😁 Looking forward to more awesome batreps!

[@SkaredCast]

Stay tuned for more !

[@ColoradoJinx]

Interesting talk, thanks!

[@SkaredCast]

Thanks for the comment!

[@RedQueensAce]

Skari is a gentleman and scholar of the warhammer community.

[@SkaredCast]

I appreciate the comment!

[@jimbusher5895]

Great that you called out this behaviour - these things only work if it’s fun

[@SkaredCast]

Agreed

[@stevenburton7725]

As a Skaven player from years ago, I feel your pain. 120 slaves, 90 clanrats, and 30 stormvermin for 900pts. With rules that are able to use mixed weaponry, unbreakable, able to shoot into combat, lead from the back so your leaders can’t be challenged, and tons of other wonky rules that no one else has made every game into my opponents being angry about one rule or another, or they would call judges who would confirm the rules in my favor and no one seemed to have fun. Then I found the Dark Eldar, and sold that Skaven army. I’m glad I did, because face planting was a lot less fun compared with 40K.

[@SkaredCast]

Ahhh the dark kin

[@richardpagel6959]

Well, depends on when you started to play Dark Eldar because there were also times when people got angry when facing Dark Eldar rosters with 20+ dark lances or so, vaporizing their armies in 3 shooting phases.

[@stevenburton7725]

@@richardpagel6959 I had second hand copies of the books from 5th forward, but didn’t start playing them with more than a kitchen table style until 7th.

[@richardpagel6959]

@@stevenburton7725 Ah ok. The times I meant were 3rd and 4th edition of 40k so even earlier. I think in 7th edition they have not been so good, even the opposite maybe, can't remember their rules from that edition as I did not played it.

[@michaelflaherty5207]

Back in the early days of 6th ed I competed in a Rogue Trader. In the final game I was at the top table to win it all. As the game starts my opponent looks me dead in the eyes and says " Son...I'm about to teach you a lesson "😀

[@SkaredCast]

Ha ! That’s wild

[@CesarIsaacPerez]

I've never been to a tournament, kind of afraid of running into this type of people... I usually stick to playing with my friends and family. That Casket of Souls mini looks really cool! Can't find it at GW store...

[@SkaredCast]

It is on original metal cast mini.

[@ja37d-34]

Love that, a little bit of everything, nothing spammed.. But i suspect that Dragon combo will be common.. ;) love the paper army list as well as that nice list, balanced, fun to face stuff like that. Nothing spammed like shit, a atleast one proper, big Core regiment!

[@SkaredCast]

Dragons are super Common

[@ja37d-34]

@@SkaredCast I bet they are! I need a Wyvern.. Love the 6th Ed model but never had it.. Time for it now i guess.. I´m kinda cool with it.. Nice to see those things out.. But also cool with saying to a buddy.. let the monsters rest for tonight.. ;)

[@Knoffles]

This is one of my main worries about TOW. We’ve had a great 8th (and 6th) scene (including tournaments) continuously since GW blew up the old world but pretty much all the waac players moved on to other supported games. The returning influx of players is great but it does mean that some of those players will be likely be dusting off their toys and also returning. Great advice though as reporting them early will make other opponents days much better.

[@SkaredCast]

Fair! Hopefully it does not discourage you from playing!

[@tichey3405]

Good for you for walking away Skari. Life's too short to deal with assholes.

[@SkaredCast]

I agree!

[@FrankSGuerra]

I totally understand this. We're playing dollies for god's sake, and some people get so heated. I 100% get not wanting to play bullies because there are a couple of notorious ones in my meta. However, if we don't stand up to these guys, they're going to continue their behavior, especially if it wins them tournaments. Ultimately, though, if you aren't having fun, then yeah, fuck it. I guess over the years, I've just decided not to let these types of players get away with it, though. Bullying nerds in a nerd-doll game, what a time to be alive! 😂 Always appreciate your content, man. P.S. I've thought about wearing a GoPro to tournaments to keep people honest. 😅😅😅

[@SkaredCast]

Agreed !

[@poxous3854]

Sportsmanship is #1

[@SkaredCast]

This

[@marcusm3429]

I'm sorry to hear that happened in your game, man! You seem like you'd be a lot of fun to play with! I am curious, though...at around 6:25 you mentiond "There is this discourse right now..." Then seemed to go off in a slightly different direction. I'm curious what discourse you're talking about, in particular, and what your thoughts are on it. 🙂

[@SkaredCast]

I’ll have to rematch it lol. My brain wonders off sometimes ,

[@marcusm3429]

@@SkaredCast I was curious mostly because the timing of your video came like 1 day after a fairly significant discussion on the warhammer competitive subreddit regarding where you draw the line between sportsmanship and strategy in a competitive environment, and I was just curious if it was related.

[@SerPanda09]

I read the response you wrote explaining what your opponent did. I think this video would have worked better if you said what the guy didi and how you responded.

[@SkaredCast]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@Emanon...]

Everyone can have a bad day, but consistently shitty behaviour should be called out. Find his other opponents and confirm your experience. If he indeed is that way towards others, you should send a formal complaint to the tournament managers and try to have him "handled" (whether it's a warning or outright ban is up to them). That's the only way to handle douchebags to prevent other players from having a truly bad tourney experience.

[@SkaredCast]

Yes, they are aware.

[@jasonmangelsen7136]

i love your attitude

[@SkaredCast]

I appreciate that !

[@darnokx9277]

Nice speech and all... but what was the actual issue?

[@SkaredCast]

It’s posted in one of the replies :)

[@jolamber]

Maybe that dragon that never dies and kills everything isn't great for your opponent to play against..

[@SkaredCast]

Maybe!

[@themidnightaristocrat]

You didn't even explain the issue. What are we supposed to learn from this?

[@SkaredCast]

That dragons are awesome ? lol. I did reply somewhere about the details .

[@warforged144]

MORE!

[@SkaredCast]

More games ?!

[@punchyMiddleEarth]

Need more specifics mate, like actual examples of what the dude was doing would be very very helpful

[@SkaredCast]

I did break it down in one of my replies . I’ll pin it later so it’s easily available to read.

[@william3958]

Fantasy picking up where it left off lol

[@SkaredCast]

😢

[@TheGeneralGarcia]

Please, please, please call out this behavior at any event! Tournament organizers, be ready for assholes, red cards, yellow cards, be ready for this shit. We want to have with Old World what we have with 40k. No one player is worth having multiple people upset at your event. Especially Skari, are you f'ing kidding me?! If this is on BCP you can see who the jerk was and call him out at the next event. This should not stand. None of us should allow it.

[@SkaredCast]

This !

[@scatterthewinds3126]

Monsters very strong. Seeing 2x tk dragon here. Cannons and traditional counters weakened. Also seeing 7 chariots plus prince on chariot. The tk infantry is so weak and immobile

[@SkaredCast]

Dragons are… quite a feature !

[@grlmgor]

Tk infantry need my will be done to make them competitive or their just going to slowly crumble.

[@ForzaTerra89]

Ironically my worst experience was with a content behaviour and after a good hour, 2 hours of prodding I called him out for his behaviour. He sunk quick, got super apologetic and realsied how it looked. Tried to pass the whole thing off as a joke and it was honestly pathetic. I called it and left.

[@SkaredCast]

Yeah, makes sense!

[@fiskcakes]

Without his point of view added to the conversation, your rant is just a rant. I’m a huge fan of yours, having played dark elder of over twenty years, how could I not be. But having your type of platform for your opinion of what happened and lacking any insight of your opponent’s opinion, makes it all a bit null in my mind.

[@SkaredCast]

I felt I really did not need to get into the weeds.

[@JKWARGAMES]

This is why I will never play in a tournament, playing against people you don’t know is a difficult thing etc the fear that the next guy is going to be a douche

[@Galenspartan]

It's very rare behavior. No need to avoid tournaments because of it

[@EvilTwinn]

I wouldn't let that stop you. I think you'll find the majority of people are great and there to enjoy the same hobby you enjoy! As Skari mentioned this was very much an irregularity, an abnormality. And especially as this continues, any players who do have histories of such behavior won't be allowed back to tournaments.

[@GrafWattenburg]

99,9% of people you'll meet at a tournament are gonna be great! Just communicate well, and have a little chat before the game about your goals (are you there to win or just have fun)

[@WorHammer40k]

Honestly we had the same reservations but the tournament scene is overwhelming majority lovely and friendly

[@AutomatikFux]

I have played hundreds of tournament games across multiple game systems and across multiple nations, and I can count the douches I've met on one hand (two instances to be precise). Ironically, I have met way more toxic players in "casual" games (to the point that for a while, I only played at international tournaments/events since I had no local players that were fun to play with and eventually quit for some time) Don't be afraid of tournament players. Generally they just want to play the game, make friends and have a good time.

[@stephencowie696]

In a Large Australian 8th Tourney i brought a BloodKnights Death Star (Manfred + BSB Vamp in a Unit) - it was broken - first game i lost all but one BK against skink shooting (i couldnt stop laughing at my insanely bad save rolls ) then double one'd the Invocation on my first turn to heal them and my army crumbled as Manfred exploded... 30 mins and i was done.. (my opponent was a champ about the insanity of it) - The Next game i was probably being a little too exited as i was rolling a higher then average amount of 6's (yes i was hands in the air - joy bombing all the good rolls) and my new opponent called the judge in... which was totally fair and i had a giggle about it... which i dont think he took well... until the judge came up... explained who i was (everyone had apparently been talking about the epic deathstar fail) and my opponent laughed and we had an excellent game after that with him spending alot of time asking how i managed to fail sooo badly the first round. I dont remember the outcome of that game though i think he might have got me in the end but i do remember that match as the best game i ever had in 8th. Sometimes context is very important and calling a judge over is as important for games rulings as it is to ease your mind about issues in the social contract.

[@SkaredCast]

Wild story!

[@nurglematthew893]

Call the police, Skari!

[@SkaredCast]

👮

[@dylan9025]

I'm sorry you had such a bad game you would rather not play. It sucks that warhammer draws this kind of behavior out of some people.

[@dylan9025]

"fun, wholesome fun!" man, that turned around quick lol

[@ja37d-34]

Of course "Legacy" Armies should be there too, nice! :) So ncie to see WHFB back again. Glad you walked away from that last game. I think more people should when it is like that. Many are too nice or just too scared to put the foot down. As there ARE arseholes out there. or people that need a bit of a wake-up call about how they behave. And that the game is a social thing. Winning at all costs is not what it should be about either. Do that in computer games or something. Act nicely in this one.. I´ve got ALOT of shit about that recently online. Especially when I point out that you CAN tell people - or call them out really, when they are like this.. but there are too many.. Cowards in gaming.. Sad but true,. That is also one reason it is as common as it is.. You can call people out in various ways. Start nicely. I don´t see a problem with that. Nicely handled here though.

[@ja37d-34]

My view is that you have a responsibility to stand up for yourself, like everywhere else you are.. And you should. Just letting it continue is a very common thing among gamers, and I have some ideas why.. Not gonna go into that here though as that tends to upset people, it seems.. But I highly respect you for your view on it and i agree.

[@SkaredCast]

Thanks for the reply !

[@nicohermans1029]

Your scorpions are based in the wrong way man ;D Really sorry about the last game, thats just humans these days. But lovely how u were the bigger man

[@SkaredCast]

They are wider not longer ?

[@nicohermans1029]

They are 75x50 :D. Not 50x75

[@MrLucBot]

I mostly play over Tabletop sim and I've played against "that guy" plenty of times. Ridiculous, tailored "win instantly" lists, and they're a sore winner just as much as they're a sore loser. Tabletop games are supposed to be fun, not ego boosters. Play for fun!

[@SkaredCast]

😮

[@kueppe]

I am rly sad, that so many factions already got moved the legends dead end. Not impressed with the start of old world.

[@SkaredCast]

Most places allow the legend armies.

[@ADhammer]

Who knew the salty old grognards would play Old World? (I did 😂)

[@SkaredCast]

lol fair.

[@repentia1]

such a shame between the grognards who have never played the game the dudes who havent bought anything for 30 years complaining from announcement to release, whos hobby is no longer the hobby but complaining about the hobby and now the game is out we have people being dicks in the game its like the oldguard are trying to bury the game.... baffles me. Sorry you travelled for fun only to play against someone who values being a dick above the organisers and participants efforts. Sounds like we need a strike system then tourney bans via west cost pairings events like the other game systems.

[@SkaredCast]

Yeah , it happens

[@repentia1]

aye, but it deffo shouldnt. people need to be less self involved its a 2 player game. @@SkaredCast

[@raphwalker9123]

I remember back in 4th edition 40k. I was playing the broken Iron warrior list with 9 obliterators /basilisk/vindicator,deamon prince with wings combo. And someone mentioned there was a upcoming doubles tournament coming up. So I thought it would be fun to ask my mates dad,Mike (who is the nicest guy in the world,never says anything negative) who also played iron warriors to team up and annihilate the competition with 18 obliterators😅. After 3 easy wins we was put up against these two students that are known to be somewhat try hards and rules benders. They were trying to exploit the height rules on units,basically trying to say they could shoot us but we cant shoot them back.(Which has never been a rule in warhammer)Anyways we ended up tableing their asses,but i remember after the game Mike the nicest guy in the world ,turned to them and said "You two are the most fucking scaley(south african slang saying they are reptilian) people i have ever played against", 🤣 The moral of the story is there will always be those people at tournaments best thing to do is grin and bare it ,table their asses then tell them what you think about them after.👌

[@paulcorcoran2783]

Sorry to buck to trend but i just don't get it! you seem to have missed out the most important thing which was WHY you didn't have fun playing the last game? just because you didn't have fun doesn't mean the other player was bad pal, was he trying to cheat during the game?, did he try to play the game not using the rules or not understand them correctly or did he just not do what you wanted him to do? or was it simply he was the better player and you couldn't win the game? you seemed to be having a blast when you were battering the other 2 player in the previous rounds so maybe you were not able to best this player and it a bit or sour milk? also telling folks to speak to a judge if there is a problem during an event is the right thing to do if you feel the other player isn't playing correctly or bending the rules in there favour but then telling folks online to do what you didn't do sounds .. well odd and very much do as I say and not as I do

[@SkaredCast]

Search for the reply with more info :) hopefully that gives you some clarity!

[@korig3251]

I'm a woman and an obvious member of the lgbt community, so I've experienced a few guys like this who think they can get away with it against me. I've had people who tell me the wrong rules and then get upset when I correct them, people who get mad when I outplay them and bait them into bad trades, and people who are just blatantly disrespectful to me. I've even had someone table flip on me one time. Those experiences can make it very difficult to interact with the community. But I have to remind myself about all the incredibly nice and kind people that I've met over the last 15 years of playing wargames. The good experiences have definitely outweighed the bad.

[@raphwalker9123]

Yup just stand your ground and remember alot of socially awkard nerds play this game and have no idea how to act in public.

[@negatorxx]

do people try this stuff against female lgbt folks more often than against men?

[@richardpagel6959]

The TOs really made a scenario with reserves... ridiculous... most stupid rule you could add into a slow paced RnF game, entire army roster destroying as well. No need to even go there and play with a dwarf army.... no wonder he was pissed. "Oh I just wanted to have fun with my dragon." is in my opinion also a very big problem that comes up now with ToW... everyone playing these uber dragons is like "oh I just want to have fun" while everyone playing without dragons will suffer against those dragon rosters most of the time, thus having not much fun. So maybe this guy has met 3 armies with 3 dragons in 3 games and of course he will be pissed due to this experience. Where is the empathy towards this? Why hiding behind "oh I just wanted to have fun with my dragon." because playing against dragons is one the most annoying things that ToW offers... and no, GW did not made it really cool with dragons... they made dragons totally uber and an annoyance to play against because GW wants to sell tons of cowboy models on big mounts... it is always easy to look down to people who show their emotions openly and call them toxic by the way. In my opinion it is more toxic to simply play the game by its bad rules (and list writing possibilities) and lay back and say "I just wanted to have fun". And just to mention, dwarfs are very bad against those uber dragons even thou having artillery. Good look shooting dragons with D3 wound dealing cannons who do not even ignore their armor save because they only have AP2 (good luck with armorbane2 with single to wound rolls lol) and the dragon will of course not run into that toughness 10 king and will get stuck there... or the D6 wounds dealing damage who still has problems penetrating all the armor and saves of these uber models. The game is simply very bad balanced and some elements in the game, like dragons, are super fun-destroying and it seems a lot of fanboys simply ignore this and play their dragons, giving a shit about what their opponents could feel because they just "want to have fun with their dragon"... yeah nice... good for YOU... but there still belong 2 people minimum for playing this game and playing your uber dragons literaly means "I give a shit about my opponent" in this game... so well, no wonder he was pissed probably. It is like saying "oh I just wanted to have fun with my 5 imperial knights" when facing oldschool style normal 40k rosters, stomping and shooting them into the ground ith them having no chance at all against these uber models... there once was a reason these models were "apocalypse only" but sadly the greed from GW is endless and so they pressed these models into the normal 40k game and thus also broke its power spiral... maybe they are fine in 10th edition of 40k, who cares, but they were not ok in all the editions before with 8th I guess making it the worst with that 4-5 imperial knights + 32 screening imperial guard infantry + 3 Blood angel jump pack thunder hammer captain rosters... probably the most ugly thing I ever saw being able to be played in 40k and being played on average on tournaments quite some time... But well, as an old tournament and even 40k ETC player I also have to admit and can say that yes the entire tabletop scene got more and more toxic. A lof of this has to do with the focus on ETC that almost the entire tournament scenes in several games have put into. But the power spiral, the power gaming possibilities that GW more and more pushed into 40k for instance also has something to do with that because people simply take power gaming more and more as common, not even seeing how toxic it is. And that is where "I just wanted to have fun with my dragon." in my opinion sadly also falls into, it is part of the problem and not just a sentence to point out how fun and nice you are. I mean I stopped playing tabletop 13 years ago because of this toxicness and uber-pseudo-competitiveness that even had its grip not only on the tournament scene but also on the beer&bretzel scene... disgusting! Being a dick on tables was more and more common and even got introduced to the people via blogs, youtube channels or such stuff as "competitive gaming skills" - again, just disgusting.

[@SkaredCast]

Thanks for the insight!

[@morerobotwarscontent1476]

Dwarf players man.

[@raphwalker9123]

🤣

[@SkaredCast]

Not all dwarf players are jerks !

[@SkaredCast]

Except maaaaybe luka 😂

[@Dryzual]

I imagine them facing Dragon Lords all day make them even saltier

[@dylan9025]

What is this gonna be lmao

[@toferkrz946]

People being douchebags in the WHTOW 'community'? What a surprise.

[@craighoyland4126]

I hope he didn’t get the win??

[@raphwalker9123]

He probably did win as it was the finals table and a concede gets you full points.But having a whole room know you won because your opponant couldnt handle your shit must have been awkward lol

[@XVI_Legion]

Huh, so fantasy was filled with hyper competitive idiots and now they are back for old world? strange because it's such an unbalanced mess of a game, or maybe that's the appeal.....

[@SkaredCast]

I love the game ! It’s nice to play with like minded people.

[@Yurt_enthusiast7]

It's fascinating cuz where I'm from Fantasy never was the competitive game back in the days due to It's unpredictability and flavour over balance mind set. 40k on the other hand was (and still is) the WAAC game.