Olivier Latry Sortie Improvisation - End of Notre Dame’s first mass in 5 years

The End of Mass on Sunday 8th December 2024. The great organs first voluntarily for 5 years

[@cherawmusic]

What a glorious day for the world. For once, humanity has done right by saving this important monument of human ingenuity. The music reflects the grandeur and awe of this space

[@tubeyou6794]

Its so ugly. Its evil not love

[@felixwaterman4448]

Oh dear. A shame that music can be so divisive. I personally prefer Vierne and de Grigny to Bach. Whitlock is another of my heroes. 'Evil' is a word to use sparingly.

[@jcjcdg703]

Cette cérémonie blasphématoire wokiste politique est à l'image du blasphème de la Scène lors de l'ouverture des JO

[@HHHeiko69]

Another and more historic point of view: Maybe not everyone knows, that Notre Dame was an important origin of the development of our whole western musical culture. It was Notre Dame, where the old (now so called) gregorian chant was turned into polyphonic music, in music where different groups of musicians play different "melodies". This was long before there was even a slight idea of things we take for granted today, like chords or 4/4 measures, but layed out the foundations for what is completely normal for us today. These musical experiments in this cathedral starting about 850 years ago, also evoked huge resistance by listeners at these times. But the musicians didn't have the idea of pleasing an audience. It was the idea of pleasing god - soli deo gloria, like J. S. Bach wrote below his scores. Notre Dame used to be the epicenter of the musical avantgarde for several centuries, it prepared and led finally to that music, we all know and love. Without these experiments, the music today would probably be completely different. You don't need to like, what Olivier Latry is playing, but maybe you can understand in which tradition he (and composers like Olivier Messiaen, who is obviously a big influence) grew up and (supposedly) see themselves.

[@tubeyou6794]

Its so ugly. Its evil not love

[@MS-19]

@HHHeiko69 Indeed, those innovations of which you've spoken probably aroused much controversy in their day, but have since become part of the fabric of worship. It's a shame that so many don't realise this.

[@tubeyou6794]

@ catolicism has shifted toward satanism quite a bit. Ortodoxy is the only real christian fate. I dont think you catolics see it - how twisted and evil your ways are. Even your music is evil sounding

[@faivregeoffrey6221]

How ridiculous you are, screaming to the devil on something you don't understand, like a movie character...

[@yeeeyekrut537]

@@tubeyou6794 again dude go back and listen again. Latry's improvs werent really that far out. I dont even think its super Messian, just mostly does minor 3rd modulations

[@cmtwei9605]

I'm not against improvisation or Messiaen style of organ music but here I feel he got too carried away with relentless fast rhythms and very loud very bright discordant sound lasting 11 minutes. It needs some quieter reflective moments and some sections of more familiar musical style to have some relief and the audience don't feel trapped and alienated in a disco.

[@TheBellenthusiast]

Completely right. Even Lemmen's Fanfare could have been enough.

[@MS-19]

@@TheBellenthusiast Lemmens' Fanfare would not have been an adequate response to the petitions intoned by the priest, which required bespoke responses ex-tempore.

[@MS-19]

@cmtwei9605 Clearly you didn't listen to the whole thing, otherwise you'd realise that it was not in fact 11 minutes of relentless fast rhythms and very loud very bright dissonances. Notre Dame's organ has a particularly fierce timbre that would sound very loud and bright no matter what is being played; some of the Archbishop's petitions required a gentle response and received that, in the form of quiet string passages accompanying ornate but relatively gentle solo colours. And, as this was an act of worship, the only true audience was the Almighty. If the congregation felt trapped or alienated, perhaps they needed to consider more deeply the questions of faith, the challenge posed to all of us by Christ through his death and resurrection, and the means by which such awesome unknowable power as God possesses can affect us in our lives and in our thinking.

[@yeeeyekrut537]

Ah democracy ad popularity always yields the best liturgy, right?

[@tubeyou6794]

Its so ugly. Its evil not love

[@Paulookingatyou]

Was he on acid 😮😮😮????

[@a55b47]

Terrible sound reproduction here. The authorities need to do some repositioning of the mics. And better sound mixing.

[@peterking2794]

No amount of sound mixing could improve that terrible cacophony! It was organ 'music' that appeals to organists, but certainly to very few other folk.

[@stevenmichael3426]

Organs are hard to record and really needs to be heard in person. For myself it is impossible to appreciate the sound on a cell phone.

[@tubeyou6794]

Its so ugly. Its evil not love

[@johannuscro]

That's why democracy doesn't always work well. I see you like to troll every single positive comment, yet you likely have no clue about what is going on here. The music here is thankfully not to please people who are clearly missing a lot of hearing skills, but to be an offering to something else, something way above our small heads.

[@jpilot64]

And better organ playing.

[@Charles-Reardon]

This is the Latry that the world knows and loves! I'm so glad to hear there was some good music there after the dedication.

[@janetmckenzie146]

This is the Latry that very few in the world have ever heard, much less enjoyed.

[@henrigrunenwald2422]

I think it is Vincent Dubois and no Latry

[@tubeyou6794]

Its so ugly. Its evil not love

[@Johnny-pj9hd]

Plenty of Demons

[@arr64lima63]

That was far from my favorite performance of the organ. The muddy combination of notes did the instrument no favors. I was so disappointed.

[@JWall416]

Having heard the organ in the space, I believe they placed the microphones too close to the organ case. By the time the sound gets down to the floor of the Nave, it develops quite happily.

[@crilou]

c etait nul. ou est JS bach?

[@kevinhickey3515]

Improvisation is an open ticket to do whatever you like whether it be good or bad.

[@twillertorganprojects]

That's nonsense

[@yeeeyekrut537]

​@@twillertorganprojectsyoure right, improv can be nonsense. Your very creative.

[@anb7408]

As with a lot of Latry's improvs, it seems the idea is to literally pull out every stop on the organ and just play some random notes. Naturally, french organists think it's just delightful and completely oblivious to what everyone else across the world thinks. This only solidified why I compare most french organs and organists as listening to fingernails scraping across a chalkboard. Daniel Roth being an exception to that. He's awesome, especially with his improvs, and he knows how to properly use the St. Sulpice organ without making everyone's ears bleed.

[@Nicolas-io5hj]

Bête et méchant. Ça sent le rance et la jalousie. Et l’improvisation est splendide, digne de Messiaen. Existe-t-il d’autres écoles d’orgue que la française?

[@tambrosia9316]

French Organists like French Chefs cannot keep anything simple and to proper taste Frenchies suck....USA saved their asses and have done crapola for the USA. At a cocktail party around 1963, the French were terribly upset at all the things that have to be done in the English language. One smart ass French general complained to a group of US and Briti generals why English has to be the language for flight controlers and pilots and why English is the controling language in official documents etc. WHY the frenchie said WHY always English and not French The US General stepped in and said it so YOU the FRENCH did not have to learn German.

[@MS-19]

@anb7408 Have another listen to the opening and notice that it starts with a phrase from the chant, Alma redemptoris Mater, that had just been sung. (If you truly think that plainchant sounds like random notes or fingernails scraping, you could do with seeing a specialist...) Elsewhere you can hear plenty of perfect major triads, mostly cadential, following from dissonant chords after which they feel triumphant, resolute, joyous. It's also worth noting that the organs of Notre Dame and St Sulpice, though both built by Cavaille-Coll, are very different in their tonal palates, not least as St Sulpice is unaltered while Notre Dame has been rebuilt a number of times, including revoicing and the addition of mixtures and mutations alien to Cavaille-Coll. The fierceness of Notre Dame's upperwork and reeds can indeed give one the sensation of "bleeding ears" at times, but it would do so whether you improvise on those ranks or use them for Widor or Vierne symphonies.

[@MS-19]

@@Nicolas-io5hj Bien sur, il y ont des autres, mais l'école française est peut-etre le meilleur connue mondiale.

[@dnwitte]

If you expect the French to muffle their own proud traditions because of what "everyone across the world thinks", I think you are going to be sorely disappointed.

[@MajorExpo]

The whole spectacle makes me cry tears of joy

[@MajorExpo]

The improvisation had a sophisticated form. He improvised of parts of the opening of the Salve...fragments appear then later with full organ he brings the theme in the pedals with bombard.

[@janetmckenzie146]

This may have been enjoyable for those who have studied music, but for most of the audience it would have been loud, chaotic noise.

[@wojciechgracz5726]

Not Salve, but Alma redemptoris mater.

[@andrewfellows3826]

This is such wonderful music

[@janetmckenzie146]

The organists could have played music familiar to Notre Dame-filling the space with echoes from its own past.

[@blakesorenson8766]

The Notre-Dame organ has been improvised on for hundreds of years, there was plenty of “familiar” music played that day. You can just say you didn’t like this specific improvisation

[@MS-19]

You might care to listen to some of the central improvisations, which did indeed evoke the musical world of de Grigny and Titelouze, from the far past.

[@hughkennedy811]

Sadly, while no doubt the technical ability of the improvisation of the various organists in the blessing of the restored organ was remarkable, for most of those present and those listening online, it was a missed opportunity to offer a more balanced and appealing representation of the beauty and historic extent of the organ repertoire. In this context, I am reminded of the words of Jane Goodall in her book, "Reason for Hope", " Many years ago, in the spring of 1974, I visited the cathedral of Notre Dame in Paris. I had wanted to go inside this glorious cathedral ever since reading Victor Hugo’s The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Little did I know just how important that visit would be. There were not many people around, and it was quiet and still inside. I gazed in silent awe at the great Rose Window, glowing in the morning sun. All at once the cathedral was filled with a huge volume of sound: an organ playing magnificently for a wedding taking place in a distant corner. Bach’s Toccata and Fugue in D Minor. I had always loved the opening theme; but in the cathedral, filling the entire vastness, it seemed to enter and possess my whole self. It was as though the music itself was alive. That moment, a suddenly captured moment of eternity, was perhaps the closest I have ever come to experiencing ecstasy, the ecstasy of the mystic. How could I believe it was the chance gyrations of bits of primeval dust that had led up to that moment in time-the cathedral soaring to the sky; the collective inspiration and faith of those who caused it to be built; the advent of Bach himself; the brain, his brain, that translated truth into music; and the mind that could, as mine did then, comprehend the whole inexorable progression of evolution? Since I cannot believe that this was the result of chance, I have to admit anti-chance. And so I must believe in a guiding power in the universe-in other words, I must believe in God."

[@class87srule]

Bach often received similar responses.

[@tubeyou6794]

Sounds to me like just a bunch of note squeesed togeather. I can do the same with zero training

[@davidcraggs3770]

That Improvisation was horrendous to say the least. All he demonstrated was how loud that organ could sound and it ruined the Celebration Mass. I do not believe how inappropriate it was and short sighted on the part of Mr Latry. I am a fully trained Roman Catholic Organist and could have chosen something far more suitable to show off that organ.

[@tubeyou6794]

Its so ugly. Its evil not love

[@yeeeyekrut537]

@@davidcraggs3770 since your trained, would bach be more appropriate despite being protestant?

[@turquoiseblue228]

It was NOT a mass.

[@yeeeyekrut537]

@@davidcraggs3770 would bach(protestant btw) be more appropriate?

[@yeeeyekrut537]

@@davidcraggs3770 would a bach (not catholic music btw) piece be more appropiate

[@kjmav10135]

Consider your audience, please. Or, if you want the organ to continue to die, don’t consider your audience. If you are in a room full of organ aficionados, have at it. On a world stage, think about your average human and maybe hold back on the cacophony. These people did their instrument no favours.

[@Doeff8]

Latry doesn't need to answer to a world stage. This is a French cathedral..... and a European event at best.

[@yeeeyekrut537]

Again, if you want to get rid of the organ as soon as possible, run liturgy by popularity. You wont even need to go to masses soon😂

[@kjmav10135]

@ consider your audience.

[@yeeeyekrut537]

@@kjmav10135 literally not needed. When a bunch of saxophonists played for clinton, did they say leave out the bebop, no. Imagine telling michael breker or john coltrane to consider the audience. Im sure a guitar mass wouldve been much more appealing to you. Popularity has never been the best metric of what stays in the liturgy. Latry doesnt give a rat that hes not palatable to the masses, and thats ok. Organ is realistically never going to curry public appeal, no matter what performance. Its quite naiave to chase such a goal in the realm of organ music. Pray tell, what should he have played for popularity. WAP? Thousand Years? Thru the ice and flames? Game of thrones theme? Or should he have met the anglicans on their own terms and played a divorce ditty?

[@tubeyou6794]

Its so ugly. Its evil not love

[@215Gallagher]

I watched Pep Organ's take on this and at first I agreed, but hearing the whole piece now I think it is appropriate for the occasion, given the vile war mongers present. To me it's a piece with tension and foreboding, there is an undercurrent of chaos while the main theme is frantically trying to pull it together, there are lulls, but the chaos cannot be contained and as the big wigs and hierarchy in their suits and robes exit the reconstructed edifice there is nothing but the facade that is today's geopolitical marketing gimmick, the spectacle is the message and the bells toll for us all. Confusion will be all our epitaphs. Meanwhile Olivier will keep on playing as the Titanic sinks. (Quelle coincidence I finished on the final chord, on my second listen)😆

[@CitronCassis]

Excellent 🤭 Pray for us the French. The one who will have to listen to Olivier Latry til the sink of their country. 😅

[@Perosianus]

That’s not music.

[@MS-19]

@Perosianus It started with a phrase of the Alma Redemptoris Mater chant that had just been sung. Are you therefore implying that plainchant isn't music?

[@imanuelgarayar]

@@MS-19 He started with that and then proceed to ruin it. That was the message for me.

[@shaz-johnthreesixteen3331]

Like watching a scene from a horror movie

[@janetmckenzie146]

The organist should play for the enjoyment of their audience; I think it is safe to say that very few did. They could have played classical or liturgical music that most of the audience would recognize. I was eagerly awaiting the sound of the organ, and what I heard was aggressive, loud, and unpleasant, without any melody. I am not against modern music in general, but this was not the time and place to play it. This was a celebration, and nothing I heard from the organ sounded celebratory.

[@TheWorldOfHarmony]

Well said.

[@yeeeyekrut537]

Nope, go kiss bach goodnight before you bury yourself under his legacy. Honestly most popular bach doesnt sound joyful, just sounds technical with sparse arpeggios between. Heck even dupre sounds bookish. Most organ music pre wagner doesnt sound happy. Jokes aside, liturgy defined by popularity sounds like a good policy right? Wonder what everyone will vote away lol!

[@yeeeyekrut537]

No doubt first thing to go is the organ to buy sick guitar amps!

[@tubeyou6794]

Its so ugly. Its evil not love ps. I listen to rock punk techno house - all the stuff old prople would say is agressive. - I still hated the organ performance. Its just evil sounding. Its okay for hard rock satan worshiping music to sound evil. Not music in a carhedral…

[@GableVision]

I did enjoy it. The organ yells: this is me, I can scream this hard! I’m no pussy! OK I do miss the rustle of a soft silence.

[@brianwideman9112]

I suppose it's all a matter of personal taste and opinion, so here are my two cents... If I were a visitor to a Catholic church and heard this, I would not only be unimpressed, I would be positively steered away from ever going there again. Why would a person go to a church to be assaulted with such shrill and bombastic cacophony? We go to God who is our "refuge" from such disorder. As an organist and a Catholic, I don't mind such musical pieces in a concert setting, but as the conclusion of a worship service...? I think the performance does a tremendous disservice to drawing people into the Catholic faith--which is supposed to be an instrument of God's peace, reconciliation, and hope in the world. The improv doesn't reflect anything especially Catholic. Again--if it were in a concert setting, fine. But as the conclusion to a worship service...no. I didn't hear any "resurrection," no "glory," no "rising from ashes" in the music; it was like the fire from 2019 was still burning. There's no need to respond to this since, as we all know, it's ultimately a matter of personal taste and opinion. My take on this is just as valid as yours. The performance was what it was... now, back to normal life.

[@lucasvarela9632]

Its a french thing apparantly

[@yeeeyekrut537]

Cool, what pray tell would get you to come back. A lovely rendition of "W.A.P"? "thousand years"? Youre a bach (protestant btw) or nothing kinda guy? guitar mass? Vierne's toccata? Star wars theme? Gotta make it popular so people like it. I love liturgy by popularity, dont you😂?

[@tubeyou6794]

Its so ugly. Its evil not love

[@rubeng160]

+1000 likes

[@MS-19]

This wasn't actually the conclusion of the service. It was a litany and it was done in the manner of Notre Dame, which is a centre of liturgical improvisation. It offers a music that is contemporary to itself, and always has done, though it also embraces the music of the past (and did so throughout the course of reopening ceremonies).

[@magesterium2485]

Olivier Latry at his finest ! The Sortie included all elements of the late Pierre Cocheareau who was Organist here as well. My Goodness the chamades would bite if you got to close to them ! They are very loud ! Oliver Latry has said since the reopening the Organ sounds different with a 7 seconds reverberation in the the renovated Cathedrals acoustic.

[@michaelhille9741]

That organ was insulted. Sounded like a child just pounding on keys. What a shame.

[@lucasalves-pl7iq]

I would like to point that there are some factors that do not allow me to judge if the improvisation was proper. First, the quality of the record is pretty lame. Second, are the bells tolling at the same time? I think the organ community can be misweighing the situation.

[@twillertorganprojects]

As far as I am concerned, this improvisation does not make many friends for the organ.

[@organist1982]

9:42 "Whoa--did you see that?! Our world suddenly became yellow!" 😂

[@wardropper]

Several other videos speak of the organ’s ‘reawakening’, but I fear it was something else that was awakened here… Some people were clearly close to outright laughter, while others were probably muttering under their breath, “Is there a quick way to get out of this cathedral?”… As others mention here, this was torture. A tremendous and beautiful instrument overtaken by barbarians who want some quick attention… Fortunately, the organ will probably be remembered long after they’re gone...

[@MS-19]

Clearly you aren't familiar with the musical and liturgical style of Notre Dame. This was entirely consistent with what has been sung and played there for the last century at least. Two of those "barbarians" have held the appointment of titulaire organist jointly for many years between them; the fact that they are still there means that they are valued and wanted by their fellow Parisians and all the clergy. Who are we to judge?

[@dnwitte]

And others were deeply moved by the transcendent experience of hearing the mighty organ under the hands of a consummate master.

[@andrewfellows3826]

They improvise like this in every service….its amazing

[@JakePurches-Base2music]

The broadcast sound is appalling!

[@jameskase917]

The last piece reflected the chaos of the world within the walls of the church. It failed to awe and inspire to lift the soul to God.

[@tubeyou6794]

Its so ugly. Its evil not love

[@conniebackus-yoder2799]

That's what I heard. The Heugonot treatment, Napoleon, Hitler's Nazis and fascists occupying France. Let's hope these forces are dealt with and overcome so that the land can live in peace and prosperity.

[@andrewfellows3826]

Y’all are crazy. This music is amazing.

[@AMADEUSEXMAKINA]

The organ music played in Notre Dame was awful! I would not have liked to be there. It is a torture to the ears. The bright colors of the clergy's clothes is like a Mondrian painting. Feelling sorry for this lack of taste.

[@MS-19]

Just as well you weren't there, I suppose.... Notre Dame has its style and musical tradition, as does every other church. All are dedicated to the Almighty, who alone is the audience to all worship and who alone will judge what is worthy in the end.

[@stevenmichael3426]

The only thing that is awful is your small brain. You have no understanding of the French organ tradition.Or contemporary music in general. You should be embarrassed that you are showing your ignorance to the world here. Please grow some brain cells

[@aliochagouverneur303]

The music has been given to an artist who wanted to create a modern piece such as the colors of the clothes But can you talk about the magnificence of the 2000 people who worked on how beautiful the cathédrale looks today ???? Why looking for that tiny ugly detail you didnt like when we're celebrating 850 years of History of the cathédrale and 2000 years of tradition (this altar was a place of worship of Celtic ancient Gods and even Imperial cult (to the Roman emperor ) before it was even a church). Show some respect for a Holy Place.

[@jpilot64]

@@aliochagouverneur303it was a pretty ugly performance and worth of mentioning. The style was not the church’s style, but the organists style, attempting to show off technical proficiency and ignoring the audience. With your logic of, “nothing matters because god is the judge of everything”, then why bother to please anyone or do anything kind for another? Bottom line, it was un relatable and a waste of a golden opportunity on the world’s stage to showcase the beautiful restoration of not only the cathedral but also the organ. This sentiment is shared by more than this single KZbin commenter.

[@aliochagouverneur303]

@@jpilot64 I am not saying I liked what the organist did but what I am saying is...with such a magnificent moment of celebrating the 2000 years of christianity and the identity of France why do you feel the need to look for the single little detail that is not 100% perfect for you ? Why do we need to only look for that small litlle thing you didn't like and call the whole thing ugly ?? Really ?? 2000 peope worked on this beautiful cathedral in the past 5 years why don't you want to talk about them ???

[@timotheospetros]

Latry auditions for the post of senior organist in Hell.

[@tubeyou6794]

And he gets the part with flying colors 😂😂 Its so ugly. Its evil not love

[@MS-19]

This is Notre Dame's house style - liturgical improvisation that reflects the power of God, which is terrifying. "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."

[@CitronCassis]

😂🤣

[@LucasFigueiredoBR]

The only thing that could make me suffer a Catholic mass would be the music, but this would just make me run away. And apparently, based on the responses of french people and organ afficionados, it's basically a crime to criticize it, or even to just dislike it. It's ugly, dissonant sludge, plainly and simply. It doesn't matter how much you try to rationalize it or try to convince everyone that it's actually great because it's a tradition-which, on it's own, does not make anything good-, or that they just don't understand it: It's still ugly.

[@stephanburton3296]

Latry could have played something genuinely great like Jehan Alain's Litanies - but no, he preferred to "improvise" ten minutes of his own third rate imitative junk. Sad.

[@iainlepoertrench9651]

When I am sitting in front of the keyboard in my 'rumpus room' with an empty mind and looking for inspiration my left hand will play some chords that haven't been invented yet ................. and my right hand will come out in sympathy and play some sharps and flats that have no right whatsoever being attached to this progression! After a few minutes I will feel so uplifted and wonder in awe at the shear majesty of the beast I have just created ................. and yes, I do admit that a tear or two will come into my eyes!

[@tubeyou6794]

Its so ugly. Its evil not love

[@marcomarco9192]

Ma i paramenti liturgici chi li ha preparati? Il circo?!?!?!

[@CitronCassis]

It is Jean Charles de Castelbajac. Famous French fashion designer. Believe me, the church worked with him many Times and knew what they were choosing. He even worked with pope Jean Paul 2 for WYD. It is not what I wanted for notre dame. But I have to say after listening to him that he had a true catholic behaviour and search. He also pushed the Bishop to include the flags (it was not in their plans) and some traditional things in the ceremony. He explained’his work on tv and many Times he was the only true catholic to explain the ceremony etc.

[@gillesblanchard1699]

Many American critics have limited themselves with a narrow selection of music, treating ignorance as their fundamental knowledge.

[@anb7408]

And many french critics think their music is the best around, while the rest of the planet is reaching for ear plugs and a pause/stop button.

[@MS-19]

@@anb7408 Ultimately, it's the French who worship at Notre Dame. It's for the French to cherish their tradition, just as we in other countries cherish ours. To deny them that is simply churlish.

[@cantusfirmusbecker7825]

@@MS-19 Es waren viele Gäste aus aller Welt da. Die waren eingeladen. Die waren nicht zu einem avantgardistischen französischen Orgelkonzert angereist. Ich fand die Einseitigkeit martialische Lautstärke der Orgelmusik verstörend, schmerzhaft, deshalbunhöflich. Natürlich kann man in Frankreich an Notre Dame machen, was man will, muß sich dann aber nicht wundern, wenn es Kritik gibt. Es waren viele Spender und Spenderinnen da, dazu die vielen Feuerwehrleute und Handwerker und Künstler, die haben das über sich ergehen lassen müssen, was einfach fast durchgehend zu laut und deshalb schon allein nervtötend war. Da können Sie mir noch so viel erzählen von französischer Orgelimprovisationskunst wie Sie wollen. Es war fast durchgehend einfach schlicht und ergreifend zu laut für Menschen, die noch ein feines Gehör, haben, für Musiker und Musikerinnen, die ihr Gehör solchem Lärm nicht aussetzen wollen. Ein Gottesdienst ist kein Haevy Metall Konzert. Wenn der Erzbischof das anders sieht, befindet er sich theologisch und liturgisch auf "dünnem Eis". Letztlich bleibt es an ihm hängen. Ich bin protestantisch, von meiner Seite droht ihm keine Kritik, aber als Katholik würde ich ihm und allen Hausgeistlichen "die Leviten" lesen. Er hatte die Leitung des Gottesdienstes. Aber vielleicht hat er da in einer Kirche in den Händen des französischen Staates nichts mehr zu sagen.

[@ericgarner6175]

Or we just know this isn't a audience of organist and know these improvs won't connect with the general public. Play a tune that they recognize and you'll have better results.

[@MS-19]

@@ericgarner6175 "Results" implies that this was some kind of contest or experiment. It was neither.

[@StephanReth]

! THIS LONG POSTLUDE WAS PLAYED BY THE 4 ORGANISTS (ONE AFTER ONE ON THE BENCH) WHO WERE ALL TOGETHER TO PLAY THIS SUNDAY MASS

[@mimibergerac7792]

There were 8 steps of the awakening of the organ. Plenty of opportunity to introduce / awaken the organ in a dignified as well as artistic manner. But the player is a technocrat with no heart for serving the purpose. The last step that could have been the great jubilant praise of the Holy Trinity was a dark cacophonic deluge as many parts before. The same has to be said for the final coup de grace a distressing wave of brutalist noise..

[@MrEpistrophy]

It's a rare thing to hear such free improvised music, and played as powerfully as this for a global audience. Thanks Olivier Latry Sortie for sharing the good stuff!!

[@patrickvereecke6654]

horrible : the Apocalypse , negative vibes !

[@a.t.c.3862]

The France, you have out-done yourself - this is right down there with the horrendous Olympics opening ceremony. 🥇🥈🥉

[@LaskMaestro]

Nope. Classical musician here. Nope on this improvisation. People were not impressed.

[@Barrawitzkaa]

Not sure how many 1.st places you made in international improvisation contests .... how many concerts you play worldwide. If you are a classical musician you surely know the difference between technique and taste ....

[@yeeeyekrut537]

A boring classical musician nonetheless 😂

[@michaelwerthebach3426]

Ins Gehör ging die Musik gar nicht. Beeindruckend trotzdem

[@MS-19]

@LaskMaestro There is a difference between concert performance and liturgical improvisation. The former is for an audience, to be subjected to their judgement. The latter is not.

[@marcodelprato_guitarist3444]

Please return conducting your stupid marching band bro.

[@AleksandrGroves-gb8hd]

Not as dreadful as the clown-vestments.

[@cantusfirmusbecker7825]

Es tut mir für die Orgel in Kirche sehr leid, dass sie nun als akustisches Folterinstrument eingesetzt wurde. Wer die ganze Zeit Tutti improvisiert, hat wohl schon selbst einen Gehörschaden. Die ständigen Dissonanzen sind martialisch in der Lautstärke und eine brutale akustische Machtdemonstration sondergleichen und erinnern an den Weltuntergang und sind nicht mal für einen Horrorfilm zu gebrauchen. Es tut mir so leid, dass sich die wunderbare Orgel als Lärmschlacht präsentierte. Diese avangardistische Musik ist vielleicht in einem Konzert als Einzelstück erträglich, aber nicht für eine solche Liturgie in Dauerschleife mit weltweiten Gästen. Ich hoffe in Zukunft auch anderes von dieser Orgel hören zu können, wenn sich der Meistro nicht zu schade dafür ist, auch mal "Literatur" vor seiner Zeit zu spielen.

[@jjbrdn6492]

Say that you don’t know anything about organ, we will forgive your ignorance

[@philippelepaul7085]

Il a tenté en vain de faire évacuer l'église. Peut mieux faire.

[@organvoice441]

Vielen Dank für Ihre Worte! Ich empfinde das genauso. Ich habe kein Problem mit anderen Geschmäckern, aber ich frage mich durchaus, ob man nicht irgendwo eine Grenze zum allgemein Akzeptablen ziehen sollte, was man noch als "Orgelimprovisation" bezeichnen kann. Es muss ja nicht jeder wie Sietze de Vries spielen können, aber in Dauerschleife diesen "Stil" durchzuziehen finde ich der Liturgie und der Stellung der Orgel als sakrales Instrument nicht angemessen. Sie haben wunderbar auf den Punkt gebracht, was ich mir auch dachte.

[@11300jep]

OMG !!! that's cacaphonic noise. I see Bach and Cavaillé Coll jumping in their graves.....

[@HHellwig1]

ich auch !

[@gerrymass1305]

This Latry's improvisational "music" was horrible. Dissonant, ear-piercing trash. I don't know this fellow but I cannot help but wonder if an oferring like this is motivated by an arrogant, narcissistic ego. His "music" was awful and a disgrace.

[@PAN77769]

The organ improvisations are incredible! True Master of his art!

[@andrew-hv1hv]

Dreadful

[@tubeyou6794]

Its so ugly. Its evil not love

[@lukereilly4963]

What an awesome performance. Im so glad he didn't do something lukewarm and mundane. Shock the people. God isn't just a yes man. He'll let you hear what you need to hear! Stunning.

[@tubeyou6794]

Its so ugly. Its evil not love

[@lukereilly4963]

@@tubeyou6794 what a dismal outlook on life. Ugly? Evil? Really?

[@huguesdekazam4186]

Et oui ! A cepter de se laisser déplacer !! Un chemin... une humilité !

[@BertrandDelmarle]

C'est un fait : beaucoup de gens autour de moi m'ont dit qu'ils n'avaient pas apprécié les interventions de l'orgue "uniquement en dissonances" durant l'inauguration de Notre-Dame, regrettant par ailleurs l'absence d'au moins une pièce "connue" du répertoire d'orgue. Je ne suis pas loin d'être d'accord... Même si j'adore les improvisations d'Olivier Latry, il ne faut pas abuser des bonnes choses !

[@stephanecivel4712]

Surtout que pour un éveil de l'orgue, on eut dit une sortie de cauchemar... Dommage, les organistes titulaires ont joué des muscles pour savoir qui était le plus fort...

[@BertrandDelmarle]

@@stephanecivel4712 J'aurais tellement aimé entendre à ND quelque chose de ce genre : kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZ3Mg2icZ898mZY&ab_channel=RichardMcVeigh%7CBEAUTYINSOUND Évidemment c'est beaucoup plus difficile ! David Briggs réalise ce véritable exploit car c'est un compositeur, il ne joue pas dans la même cour que les improvisateurs de ND, avec tout le respect que je leur dois bien sûr...

[@CitronCassis]

C’était horrible ! Une humiliation mondiale. Mais eux les organistes sont très contents. Ils ne voient pas le problème. 🤷‍♀️

[@phpn99]

Improvisation d'orgue horrible. Latry s'est fait plaisir au détriment de tous et de cette occasion. L'orgue ce n'est pas MOI MOI MOI ; c'est nous.

[@WouterTukker]

Not exactly Olivier´s best performance (if it was him at all, I´m not even sure, it might also have been one of the other three "Titulaires"), however what bothers me more is the poor mono-quality recording and the sudden cut-off at the end: even a moderate improvisation deserves better than that ... Something must have gone wrong in the cutting, editing and shortening of the official live feed, the sound here is much better (unfortunately interrupted by the voice of the moderator and later drowning in the deafening sound of Notre-Dame´s full Clocherie at work): kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2e5eq2YocycZ9U

[@adsdentiste]

Λυπάμαι 🙏🏻🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷

[@Urbie4]

@gillesblanchard1699 That's the thing - Americans are used to bland guitar-and-drums praise band jeezak. This type of music has a longer tradition than anything - to think that when Tournemire wrote "L'Orgue Mystique" almost 100 years ago, it was because he was afraid that improvisation was becoming a lost art -- not so! OK, given the visibility of this event, I'd have had a word with Latry ahead of time and asked him to tone it down a little - but this is pretty standard fare, and that's as it should be.

[@lawrence18uk]

Reminded me of the final notes of La Transfiguration de Notre Saveur Jesus Christ, where there is a sequence of apparent cacophanies, followed by that massive, epiphany inducing consonance

[@RenatoScotti-o8i]

a question: is all this to give glory to God or to celebrate the ego of the organist, the prelates and monsieur le president?

[@izabelaratusinska842]

I wonder where they found those terrible robes. But in general I am happy the Cathedral is rebuilt. Very happy.

[@bunbiddybyebye]

Jean-Charles de Castelbajac designed it.

[@СветланаЗганяйко]

Очень милый разноцветный наряд с новогодней коробочкой конфет на голове и гигантским леденцом на палке😅

[@WINCHANDLE]

Go Olivier. AFter 5 years, I can imagine you were waiting to just let loose. Keep it up.

[@CitronCassis]

C’est vraiment horrible. Ces organistes ont un ego surdimensionné et se moquent de leur audience. Une humiliation pour notre pays lors de la cérémonie. Une occasion manquée de montrer ce bel orgue au monde. Quelle horreur.

[@juangarzon1247]

Horrible and disgusting improvisation ….. I don’t even know if that’s music

[@Claudia-vn4ck]

Oui la musique de l'ombre....

[@MatthewWilson83]

The last chord sounded nice. That was about it.

[@santiagodeloscaballeros3743]

A disgrace worthy of Macron...

[@lawrence18uk]

Well I would have loved to have been there. But then I grew up on Messiaen. Amazing creation, but you have to totally immerse yourself in it. Shame we had the bells mixed in with the organ for this recording but that's how it obviously was in real life - where the ear could disaggragate the two sounds

[@giacomolaurivolpi8693]

Avec le repertoire d'orgue qui existe, pourquoi nous avoir imposé une telle horreur pour un tel evenement. Tout le monde sait à quel point la compétence musicale des organistes est immense. Ce n'était pas la peine de nous faire un morceaux " epoque cubique". Vanitas.

[@jean-jacqueskaselorganreco6879]

hysteric , cataclysmic noise -"I have the loudest organ in France, and I am the boss on it". This is egomaniac only, somehow "trumpesque" .OMG🤢

[@Parsifal.21]

Does anyone know why they were inspired by Power Rangers for the priests' robes?

[@dougcargill6730]

I’m sorry. The organ playing on both the 7th and 8th, while probably dazzling technically, was rubbish. Contempory French organ performance hurts the ears.

[@rjd3wine]

Thank you for speaking up! I agree. I understand the "music" but unfortunately you need to have a degree in music theory to appreciate it. I call this among my musician friends "a soundtrack to a nervous breakdown" that keeps people from coming back for more. BTW, who approved those embarrassing vestments?

[@orgue2999]

​@@rjd3wineimagine having ears this weak

[@mickeyniere2300]

Latry's first mass sortie organ improvisation in Notre Dame after 5 years ❤😊

[@jeanriquesnyman4545]

@@rjd3wine Had a good chuckle reading your comment. Now for my French-style quip; I'm not sure a degree in music theory is enough... I have one of those, and, to me, it still sounded like the splash of a turd breaking the water of my mate Oliver's Latryne.

[@superturro]

The Improvisation was shit, and also those priests uniforms…wtf?

[@anselmo4952]

How awful !

[@henrigonzales8107]

Ce n'était pas Latry aux orgues le 8 , il était malade et remplacé par un des titulaires adjoints.

[@philippecartondetournai5546]

La somptueuse tradition du grand Cochereau; pure splendeur du grand orgue retrouvé !

[@cantusfirmusbecker7825]

Lärm auf höchsten Niveau - scheußlich! Da fallen mir die Ohren ab.

[@jacquesderegnaucourt1725]

Entièrement d'accord avec vous !!!

[@hoppechr]

Bishops evidently happy to be the first being allowed to leave. This music made absolutely no sense, liturgically. Ego-centric cacophonia. No normal and even educated audience will ever accept this so called "modern music".

[@gillesblanchard1699]

@hoppechr - Many American critics have limited themselves with a narrow selection of music, treating ignorance as their fundamental knowledge.

[@PatrickWalters-e6d]

What's wrong with the Alma Redemptoris Mater???

[@christianterraes8334]

Je suis complètement d'accord avec vous ! C est un scandale

[@rubeng160]

@@gillesblanchard1699 I am no American and live in another hemisphere, and I agree with the comment above. This music was definitely out of place.

[@MS-19]

@rubeng160 Not out of place in Notre Dame - this is their style of liturgical improvisation, it has been for decades and they could hardly have been expected to do otherwise.

[@carolynhacker-bb7ir]

Sad, no congruence with music and magnificence. A reflection of underlying inharmony therefore.

[@judithwhitehouse2149]

The French 'runaway train' toccata is alive and well...!

[@jeffjensen27]

The Organ Improvisation Was WAY! OUT OF PLACE! As A Organist My Self As Well As Numerous Other Organist Are Very Disappointed With The Selection Of Music. He Should Of Like EVERYONE ELSE Would Have LOVED To Heat As A GRAND BRING TO LIFE ORGAN Is The Ever Poplar Widor Toccata ! It Would Have Been Grand So Much Better Than WHAT WE Herd . You Can Tell By The Looks Of Alot Of The Dignitaries There Weren't Exactly Happy Faces & I Don't Blame Them.

[@MichaelBrannigan-k9j]

Lol. As an Irish Ulsterman I love the catholics.

[@michaelhanrahanmoore1622]

His first impro was best and so lovely to see he upset so many. Cheers olivier. ❤

[@Raphael-fg9lc]

ho yes you played for the happy few, we feel sooo special !

[@michaelhanrahanmoore1622]

@Raphael-fg9lc I can second that buddy. Cheers.

[@stefanopiccinelli3629]

Caro Arcivescovone, non si benedice più i fedeli all' uscita solenne della Basilica???

[@rowanalmey5095]

Sorte in e flat and every other flat

[@jcjcdg703]

Une parodie blasphématoire wokiste aux couleurs Le grand absent, Dieu.

[@wallo9167]

Das verwundert nicht, bei dieser kakophonie von der neuen Orgel wollte jeder so schnell als möglich raus !!!

[@Doeff8]

Which is kinda the whole idea.

[@sneaquexxmaster]

@wallo9167 maitre olivier latrry ist einer der besten organisten des universums. diese improvisation macht gänsehaut. das thema des marienhymnus alma mater zieht sich wie ein roter faden durch die improviastion. so grossartig, so faszinierend, das ist französische improvisationskunst vom allerfeinsten. wer einmaL in frankreich die genialen improvisattionen gehört, begriffen und eingesogen hat der weiss das sehr zu schätzen. und olivier latry ist ein sensationeller mensch! das ist alles nur keine kakophonie! improvisation premier class.

[@salastefano4867]

awful

[@peterectasy2957]

i am very surprised french church nad vatican allowed Laurent Ulrich to celebrate this opening. besides so many accussations, he is not good personel to make such event

[@dnwitte]

You are surprised that the Archbishop of Paris celebrated the reopening of his own Cathedral?

[@PAN77769]

Mother!

[@tambrosia9316]

In my book the recessional hymn should have been Christ the Lord Is RISEN. WHY the Cathedral died 5 yrs ago and now it has been rebuilt some issues on that but for the most part the job has been well done. Since in reality this is the Resurrection of the Cathedral Church that would have been the most reasonable choice of music for the recession. Not this piece of utter garbage that has no place in any church.

[@SpitzPrincipal4]

I'd have to agree- Latry is an incredible organist but this performance is certainly NOT my favorite of his as were many at that event.

[@juan080564]

La belleza del catolicismo no tiene comparación, arrasa...

[@alainphinydelemniscate1576]

La séquence du défilé de mode ecclésiastique du film "Roma" de Fellini avait plus de tenue et d’allure, là c’est le carnaval inspiré par Google Microsoft !!!! Musique pour film d’épouvante !!¡!!🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

[@gillesblanchard1699]

@alainphinydelemniscate1576 - Il a fallu de t' gratté le cul pour confirmer comparaison boiteuse, non? Effrayant de voir l'ignorance en action!

[@rockross8561]

Astonishing music! Cheesy vestments. Notre Dame looks undone.

[@Maplaplaplapla]

Do you mean that Notre Same has lost something in being cleaned from years of candle soot and pollution? Or did I misunderstand

[@WouterTukker]

@@Maplaplaplapla I believe @rockross8561 means "undressed" instead of "undone" and indeed: Our Lovely Lady lost not only a few pounds but also her dressing of candle and incense soot ... ;-)

[@c.a.7522]

The Notre Dame, Our Lady rebuilt! ❤ Yes, this is wonderfull!!🙏🏻✝️. In only 5 years, respect!🙏🏻! About tastes regarding the Interieur with some changes it could be discussed, but the hapiness of the reopening covers all, my opinion. The organ play : it may be, that the technique was professional, but the sound was horrible, only noise..😢...sorry, but the unique opportunity to show something unforgetable was lost.... I missed Ave Maria, Salve Regina, Joy to the World, Ode to the Joy, Chez nous soyez Reine, The first Noel, etc.....have we lost our catholic traditions, our beautiful compositions?? why and what for?....a deeply sadness remains and overshadows the joy....my opinion....now I will hear again my "Notre Dame at midnight "CD...

[@lucv8736]

Grand.

[@neiljosephbennett9119]

My ears are bleeding ......

[@raphaelurbain7705]

Magnifiques. À tous les américains qui ne sont pas contents : allez vous construire une réplique de Notre Dame à Las Vegas vous pourrez y jouer de Bach et du Presley.

[@cantusfirmusbecker7825]

Bin kein Amerikaner. Ich habe aber viel gelernt über Frankreich und französische Avantgarde , vom angeblich französischem Charme wenig bis nichts. Es ging um einem Brüskierung und Machtdemonstration an der Orgel. Das ist Ihnen ungenommen und natürlich erlaubt, vielen Dank dafür, ich bin raus.

[@raphaelurbain7705]

​@@cantusfirmusbecker7825 Désolé, mais depuis aout 1944 les shleus n'ont plus leur mot à dire sur la musique qu'on doit jouer ou ne pas jouer à Paris.

[@stevenej9894]

Well said! There are many fine contemporary American composers and improvisors that the nay-sayers here would probably find just as objectionable. They remind me of Americans who travel then complain that they can't find a McDonalds to eat at.

[@cantusfirmusbecker7825]

@@raphaelurbain7705 verstanden, danke auch

[@briandawkins984]

I honestly enjoyed this piece of music as it shows the power of the instrument and its incredible voice in praise of God. I presume it is a tracker organ. Yes the recording could be of better quality. But miking up and recording organs for a great recording always seems a difficult task.

[@Oystein_sandtro_music]

This is amazing! Great improvisation, great music!❤

[@mesanges1298]

This music make me sick …

[@mlang4644]

I was very disappointed with the organ performance. I found it outright awful

[@TheShadowGuitarist16]

I genuinely don't think this was Latry. I think it was the new young titular making his Sunday debut 🎶 This doesn't sound like Latry's usual style.

[@augustocianfoni6954]

Olivier Latry...superbo Organista, degno erede dei grandi organisti francesi...averlo avuto due volte alla nostra Rassegna organistica di Rocca Massima è un grande orgoglio...amo Parigi, Nôtre Dame e Le Sacre Coeur sulla collina di Montmatre...

[@aupystephane4735]

En fait, ils se sont trompé...c'est l'organiste qui a habillé l'évêque et le couturier qui jouait de l'orgue 😅😅😅

[@WaltayrDantasFilho]

Où est Dieu ? Là-bas, pour apparaître. L'image de Notre Seigneur est laide comme un zombie, la musique de fond résonne comme un rassemblement de mouches, et le maître de « peuple de moqueries », se comportant comme si tout allait bien.

[@Claudia-vn4ck]

L'image de notre Seigneur est dans l'état dont ils essaient de nous mettre à tous ... Ils ont réussi à désacraliser ce lieu... Et la musique est juste la goute de l'eau qui manquait... Que le Divin les illumine car leurs coeurs ne sont plus...

[@armandosedeno3908]

Terrible

[@stevenmichael3426]

You are a philistine with no taste

[@591016]

Great improvisation! Wonderful chord progressions etc.

[@julianguffogg]

Yes, fascinating. Would have loved to been there!