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[@OmarIsuf]

More kids are taking steroids than ever before and perhaps more alarmingly, the majority have no idea what they are actually taking. In this video, we dig a little deeper.

[@georgeybushy]

Friendly neighborhood Toronto man Omar seesaw

[@Reppintimefitness]

It's ridiculous I've been watching you for a decade I just want to say thank you For everything I probably would have ended up going that route if it wasn't for you and a very few others Showing what could be done naturally Now I'm 40 in the best shape of my life Without peds 💯

[@pecsandabs3808]

It's the I want it now & short attention span mentality that seems to be everywhere these days, fuelled by social media promising you can have it all right away. Not just the body, but the self made successful job, the house, the car etc. Young impressionable teenage guys see others with these things & don't want to put the work in for 5+ years when they can get there with steroids etc in 2 years. Most won't see they made the wrong choice until it's too late.

[@Wisey_83]

​@@ReppintimefitnessI hear you bro. 40 here now also. Apparently you cant deadlift 600lbs natty. Oops I didn't get that memo. And still getting stronger 😂

[@aynrandfan7454]

it can be good in some instances for these kids who may experience bullying...they can get jacked, take some martial arts classes and beat up their bullies without resorting to using guns...

[@irelianeedsbuff9041]

people want the result, but its actually the process that makes them happy and is meaningful

[@gandoaesthetics4221]

Very true.

[@toziassmitt]

The result also makes people happy though. It’s disingenuous to say that it’s not true

[@IrateWizrd]

@@toziassmitt sure, but the thing that usually keeps people lifting long term is that they feel good doing it.

[@elevate5136]

Came here to say this exactly mate couldn’t have said it better. It’s always been the journey. Look at people like Tyson fury he got to the top of the game and the fell into a deep depression because he didn’t have an end goal anymore.

[@CarneGranada]

Great comment

[@djandrewification]

Telling a tik tok kid or any high schooler that it can take 8 years to get their dream physique is almost futile. They think lifes almost over if you tell them to wait until their 26+ unfortunately

[@TheGreektrojan]

100% I wouldn't even blame it on tiktok. Its just a human thing, especially at that age. Even adults have trouble with that (See the trt trend, Mentzer's '1 set' training getting hype etc...). Slow and steady will simply never be the trend.

[@DCJayhawk57]

8+ years is on the low end, esp if you start as a teen when you're busy with school, sports, and not eating enough. I didn't start getting a good physique until I was in my 30s, finished with professional training and could afford to eat and train the way I needed to.

[@BlueBeamProjectionist]

For a guy like me who didn't start lifting until 30, it's basically telling me I HAVE to do them to make up for all the time I spent being a fat moron in my 20s. Gains are already hard to make and they're only going to get harder. I could do everything perfectly and not even achieve my relatively modest goals by 40, not to mention the fact that as I advance in my career I have less time and energy every year. These types of warnings to young guys have unironically convinced me to try to get on TRT and then start blasting and cruising for the next 12-18 months. Doing my pre-consult blood test tomorrow actually lol.

[@Josh-dr9db]

@@BlueBeamProjectionistyou’re probably not getting good gains because you’re not experienced enough what know what works for you mate. I’m 29 and lost all my gains from being injured and gained weight throughout 2021 and 2022. I then did a 3 month cut and started eating well and pushing hard in the gym after that and now I’m in better shape than I have ever been after only 9 months and that’s with 10 years of lifting experience under my belt. And nobody can say I should be getting better results now than 10 years ago from a bio standpoint. It’s all about the knowledge and experience and being able to properly apply progressive overload, know when to switch exercises, which are most effective for your body, etc. Amd sure, get your T levels checked, but If they aren’t too low, stay natural, push hard and learn bro!

[@BlueBeamProjectionist]

@@Josh-dr9db I know what I'm doing, I've spent an unreasonable amount of time and effort to ensure that I am doing things right. I'm not saying I can't make gains, just that I'm not going to make gains like a 16 year old would. Also, your 9 month transformation is from muscle memory. Everyone knows that when you build muscle, then lose it, gaining it back is significantly easier than building it in the first place. I never had lost gains to rebuild. It's nobody else's fault I wasted my teens and 20s drinking heavily and laying around. So now that I've fixed the problems on the inside I'm stuck walking around in the consequences of my past actions. Fuck that. I'm not going to wait until I'm 40 to look how I feel. If I was 20, then yeah I'd take the long route and see how I turned out in 8-10 years but I'm not. Clinics will give TRT to anyone with levels under 600ng/dl, and I can have the test levels of two 20yr old athletes combined, except they won't crash from stress or other factors. Every guy I know who has gotten on TRT has had major improvements in life outside of the gym as well. Promotions at work, way more success in dating, one guy finally started his own business and it's now thriving. You can keep the natty self-righteousness.

[@kanekiken2376]

Im nearing 7 years of being a natty lifter and man does it make me glad i grew up on channels like this instead of the social media kids blasting stuff left and right.

[@tasos1112]

are you jacked tho

[@CodyBunker]

I'm almost 37 and started lifting at 14. Never did steroids. I don't regret it. I have friends who took steroids. They regret it. Lifting weights is part of how I enjoy life.

[@tasos1112]

yea but are you jacked

[@CodyBunker]

@@tasos1112 yes

[@mw-gu7bx]

I'm glad I started lifting before the social media & fake natty era really progressed. It was obviously on my mind but I had a few years to lift & get my foundational gains while none of my friends were on any gear or aspiring to be a fitness influencer either.

[@Mylada]

Before fake nattys, so in the 1930s?

[@spodoinklehorse]

​@@Myladacorrect response

[@muscleanimeguy]

Too many kids who got out their mothers' wombs like to claim they know everything there is in life. If you've lived in this world long enough, or actually, sharpen your mind, then you'd know nobody knows anything. Steroids were around way before 2020. It's how Zyzz became famous because he was a weeb who got jacked with steroids, and many people were inspired by "his results." Arnold Schwarzenegger is another example. I have nothing against using steroids. I think building a foundation and learning with your own potential is remarkable. A fitness influencer is like any other influencer on the Internet-they're there to entertain you. Kids have issues with anything ingenuine when they are actually consuming from scripts. People are actually boring irl. People only want to watch interesting people. When I was a kid, there were many misinformation on how to build muscle on youtube. I watched an old ATHLEAN-X video, and the boomers looked at me weird because it was a stupid exercise. I didn't really understand it. However: 1) Boomers use outdated information 2) fitness influencers/youtubers are learning, too That video I watched was outdated, but the boomers who aren't learning new information can be wrong. I can help people build muscle, but I don't know everything. And I learned that I'm not the only one. It's normal. All you can do is work with clients to get better at teaching and finding better ways of fixing issues. I'm not a personal trainer, but one should know what works for me might be different for others.

[@joeberger3441]

​@@Myladafake nattys weren't so prominent like they are now thanks to IG/TikTok

[@HypertrophyByDesign]

Imagine if you could get all the money that you would ever earn in your life time, but none of the experience, contacts or lessons learned, in a single day. I bet some young people would take it and would end up poor in 10 years. This is pretty close to what steroids do for you (not counting any of the negative side affects that 96% of people reported). Time is an important factor of success and it is one that cannot be rushed. Stay safe and treat yourself well.

[@poisondaddy]

Sam fights for a deep breath frequently. Homies heart about to explode.

[@JackgarPrime]

While I'm glad they're honest, I absolutely worry that a lot of very young guys are gonna see this and think "See, they're fine, I should hop on crazy amounts of gear, too, because it must be safe by now!" Not to mention it's gonna lead into general impatience with the process and they'll let themselves fall into bad training habits.

[@soonahero]

If they do crime they should suffer though.

[@daveaglasgow]

This generation were most likely influenced by Larry Wheels, people like him are to blame.

[@rdad4121]

I've always felt that the openness of people using gear in recent years has been a double-edged sword in the fitness community. Yes, it has helped people avoid unrealistic expectations, and spot scumbag fake naturals who use their physiques to sell lousy products. But on the other hand, I'm seeing more people so quick to give up on their goals, or resort to using gear extremely early because their favorite KZbinr does it. There's also this whole mentality of "genetics is the only thing that really matters and mine must be shit, better hop on gear", when a lot of these people haven't even put in the time to optimize diet and programming to see what they are actually capable of. You might not be able to look like Chris Hemsworth, but nearly everyone is capable of building a solid looking physique if they really want it.

[@vexx12343]

Exactly gonna be crazy seeing how many of these people will die in the next 5-10 years in an very public way

[@AJ_Ol]

It's not "nearly everyone" It's legitimately everyone. Joe Fazer has some of the worst bodybuilding genetics you could have and he looks great. Know why? cause he takes his training and diet seriously. These kids don't even know what they don't know when they hop on gear. Genetics is just an excuse. You may not look exactly like how you want to, but everyone can look like a beast.

[@acevedohiram]

2023 is the year of the peach 🍑

[@punxsutawneyphil3944]

...and the a$$chest.

[@usetheforce9836]

Finally getting back to lifting again & glad I re-discovered my man Omar... honestly one of the greatest informational channels on (natural) bodybuilding & probably one of the few true natties on the wasteland of social media. Gotta say, the physique really seems to have progressed & is a real testament to people who are willing to take up the challenge, of what can actually be done natrually.

[@oibraizolebulla]

It is an issue for sure, I've met kids at the gym that have literally just rocked up for their first ever lifting session and they are already on gear or SARMS. They have no idea what they are doing in any regard whether it be lifting, diet or the drugs they are on. I politely suggest they should reconsider as I feel obligated, even though I know full well they will not listen to me.

[@honestmichelangelo]

to achieve the body I always dreamed about as a kid I would need to take steroids..too afraid of the side effects tho. I'm still pretty happy about my natural gains tho

[@40ozoracle61]

Hey Omar, long time viewer first time commenter. I always feel like a boomer when I bring this up but I really so agree with you. bodybuilding has surged in popularity these last two or three years and along with it, the use of PEDs at quite an alarming rate. I would love to see some data in regards to AAS use in relation to years of training and age. It seems like everything I see on tiktok as well as at my local gym, its mostly beginners with maybe a year under their belt, or people in their late teens hopping on a cycle. Shits wild.

[@TrickyMicky123456]

I used to want to take AAS when lifting from 15 - 24. I'm glad I didn't and got past that phase as looking back I think I had an idea, probably from following fitness influences, that it would make me more successful. When getting a real career I realised the majority that were successful didn't even workout. Now I lift and run for the enjoyment.

[@kevinavila3104]

Great video Omar! I just can't help to notice the bar behind you is lopsided. I hope you're not benching that way 😅

[@OmarIsuf]

I was just trying to confuse the muscles (it failed).

[@saxoferm]

Gotta keep confusing them til failure

[@toziassmitt]

@@OmarIsufRIP rich, ironically one of the few guys in the fitness industry who was 100% upfront about his use and strongly advocated for young men to not follow suit

[@MamaSwole]

I need the one rep man shirt. I NEED IT

[@halme883]

Ill be a natty forever and i know I’m working hard and consistently for 8 years. That is what is most important. Not looks or size.

[@PinataOblongata]

Unfortunately, what is important to the kids is the shortest, easiest route to looks and size. And that's precisely because they haven't experienced the gifts that consistent hard work can bestow, so it's a catch 22.

[@joydeepjoshi]

Video we all needed!

[@IxGreyFox]

That bar behind you not being level is giving me anxiety. 😅 Awesome video as always brother

[@Jay_SGE]

Dude is still as hilarious as always 😂

[@Theholyplunge]

I used SARMS, it was a 3 in 1 not knowing what I was taking. I was told to take them to start off (as a beginner to SARMS), only did them for a month. But I felt like straight DAWG WATER after, I did a PCT and eventually felt like I was back to normal… I also had a ridiculous amount of Acne 🫠 I broke out like a MOTHAF*CKA. I gained 15 lbs in a month along with a minimum of 50lbs minimum on all my lifts… IN A MONTH

[@tasos1112]

that's crazy man, did you get jacked too?

[@Theholyplunge]

@@tasos1112 had I been on them for a full cycle ABSOLUTELY, I had only used them for a month. So I gained stupid strength and a bit of size 👀

[@chrisorozco875]

Tired of people supporting steroids and saying it still takes hard work, they’re a literal cheat code that makes it much easier.

[@Xeil]

I hear "Gate keeping" thrown around a lot in the AAS community, but really as someone who's used and is on trt. I didn't touch anything til I was 29 and I had started training when I was 18. My foundation was complete and I wanted to see what was beyond it. Personally, I think it was worth it, but it is a hassle. I would be on TRT regardless because my level was 300 at 29 after I got bloodwork done and it was my green light to have some fun. And it was fun, when done responsibly and with time in prior to aas.

[@himboslice_]

very similar story on my end. if you spend a few hours you can find 3rd party verified hplc tested gear too. still with my clinic but can do trt dose for under $10 a month UGL lol. most expensive thing is the blood work.

[@Xeil]

@bubbleskunker7523 My gripe with certified trt clinics is that the costs don't make sense. Pharmacy at work I guess. Responsible trt dosing and bloodwork goes a long way, but there's a lot of people who need doctors to stay accountable and make proper adjustments.

[@vxsuperbadxvx5792]

Sounds like TRT was treating the symptoms not the cause for you brudda, sleep, diet sunlight, stress etc. Trt just puts a Bandaid on the problem while the infection keeps on spreading

[@jeffm5099]

@@vxsuperbadxvx5792 exactly. People seem to shrug a lot of long term side effects to the side. Like, "I would have been on trt anyways because I had low test." which is bullshit. You're on trt because you A. Love the effect of being on gear B. Want to minimize losses C. Convinced themselves they need trt

[@Xeil]

@jeffm5099 Or you could have a crashed endocrine system due to excessive training and athletic endeavors. I was running 7-10 miles a day, lifting for 2hrs and out training on the bike for 3-4hrs 3 days out of the week. And I did that for 5 years straight. I maxed myself out at 29 and was completely natural. Some people need trt because they self destruct at some point. Would you say the same for someone who needed t3 for a crushed thyroid from similar reasons? "Just sleep more and get sun bro".

[@julien2983]

I've been training for almost ten years and if I could have seen what I look/perform like now when I started, I wouldn't have believed it was possible without PEDs.

[@DrTopLiftDPT]

Same. 20 years

[@mithos789]

you think people want to wait 20 yrs. thats more than their life time on earth.

[@DrTopLiftDPT]

@@mithos789 you plan to only live to 19? U get most of the results after 4 if you are dedicated and eating well.

[@mithos789]

@@DrTopLiftDPT i got a question. do you think someone like coach greg was actually natural in his 20s?

[@DrTopLiftDPT]

@@mithos789 yes I think he was. He has good genetics obviously by his strength. And short people really seem to have an easier time filling out. Gotta ask u a question, how natty do I look in the intro of this clip? kzbin.infoIGAffPn-bxw?si=sC90xLF9pCt9gsxI

[@SeenAndCheese]

Omar, your background bar is uneven. The left Jhook is one hole lower than the right.

[@agrippada-rippa1932]

Can’t unsee the uneven bar in the background

[@TheJackedNerd.]

Literally posted a similar video today! We made a lot of the same points which I’m glad to see

[@Shytitmouse]

DUDE!!! Level that F'ing bar! I can't stop looking at it.

[@lucasgraeff5391]

I think that most people, old and young, that start PED use will just stop training early because they'll eventually get lost on what they have to do next, everything needs more money, more guidance, and then when the thought of 'do I really want this' comes to mind, it's too late, they have already far away from what training really is

[@tasos1112]

OR they'll get jacked and get bitten by the iron bug for life

[@cyraxthecyborg1440]

Can't wait to see the comments from all the butthurt Sarms goblins

[@OGbqze]

Turn your volume up please. We can always turn it down on our end, but we can't turn it up if it's limited by the creator.

[@JN-kk4nk]

one question about steroids i have Omar, if you use them for a while and then stop taking them but keep working out, are you keeping the mass and the gains ?

[@fernandoleme253]

Omar is natty. Not the person to ask about PEDs. I recomend vigorous Steve. But to answer your question, you Will probably keep some of the gains.

[@khoiminhhoang]

Man I love classic Kissick, this video was very well done

[@CamRin]

There are about 4 to 5 15-19 year olds in my gym that take test, dbol and anavar openly, and I go to a very small gym.

[@thomasdhdh]

where tf do they get to money for that, that shit is expensive.

[@CamRin]

@@thomasdhdh one kid claims he got it from his dad but the other kids have jobs it’s really not that expensive maybe a few hundred for a full cycle

[@llmmk]

@@thomasdhdh a vial of test is only like 30 bucks

[@9770G]

@@CamRin yeah maybe for the garbage shit like Omar stated wasn’t even when he claimed in the bottle. For the real shit my dad gets TRT from the doctor and he pays $300 a month for it.

[@CamRin]

@@9770G street steroids are a lot cheaper, you could get a years worth of trt for 300$

[@AlbertaBob2024]

this is probably the best video on the cons of steroids. thanks Omar!

[@InfiniteXavier]

What's the opinion on older folks using it to restore their levels?

[@ipproductions]

this TREN is definitely going to continue

[@scottgerrin2558]

Carter’s story really makes me wonder just how many of these influencers experience something similar but don’t talk about it

[@LucasDimoveo]

How do you feel about people who want strength numbers that are outside of what they can reasonably expect naturally? Like something north of a 200kg front squat? I don't think Olympic Weightlifting would be what it is without drugs tbh

[@PinataOblongata]

That is a good point, it's not really something I've seen discussed, it's usually more about the hypertrophy/aesthetics. But those strength numbers, either in powerlifting or oly lifting, are definitely just as alluring, and drugs have muddied what's possible in those areas quite a bit, as well.

[@xNajda]

Get to a 180kg squat first and then make that decision for yourself. Steroids don't nearly help as much for strength as they do hypertrophy; research shows it's roughly only a 10% advantage (stronger by science has a great article on it). Obviously 10% is huge when you're competing, but for a normal gym goer, it's not going to take their bench from 200lbs to 400+ all of a sudden.

[@LucasDimoveo]

@@xNajda I’ve got a 184 back squat

[@xNajda]

@@LucasDimoveo So you can hop on steroids and probably get to just over a 200kg back squat then over the course of the next few training/steroid cycles. It's your own personal decision if that is worth it to you to. Is being a little bit stronger but still not particularly elite, and even then just while taking steroids, worth the side effects and risks? I don't see how 20kg on your squat is going to change your life at all, but maybe for you that means a lot.

[@LucasDimoveo]

@@xNajda It honestly doesn't mean that much in the grand scheme of things. I'm 31 and just worried about falling off the cliff, so to speak

[@PinataOblongata]

Sure, telling young people in today's society they only have to wait 7 years instead of 1 year is totally going to work 😂 Teenagers now think that in another 7 years they'll be a grandpa and will have missed all their best years. Even 30 year olds do not want to wait until they are 37-40 to get the results they think they need to have the life they think they want. The key here should be examining WHY people think having a body built by steroids will make their life better. For most of us natties who have been at it for more than 5 years, the positive things we've gotten out of it have not even been the aesthetics or strength, which very few other people care about, including women (and I think that's 99% of why guys get on). It's more about the rewards for consistency (which can be applied to any other area), managing expectations, managing anxiety, self-advocating for your own health, dealing with set-backs and injury, and an host of other things that are more psychological than physical.

[@axelstone3131]

There is definitely a wrong way and a right way to approach steroid use. There are definitely side effects, and there is definitely a minimum effective dose for results. There is away to go about things whilst trying to minimise problems. There is use and then there is abuse. I think a lot of people take to much, for to long and have no idea what they are doing, they don’t monitor their blood pressure, cholesterol, or even get a baseline blood test done before they start.

[@soonahero]

Yeah ones a crime

[@mattnardo]

You are right to be concerned because through these role models more and more teenagers will start using peds

[@Gtslmfa0]

The John Locke scene was iconic

[@algorerhythm2751]

It's more of a psychological problem than anything, especially for bodybuilding. Competitive body dysmorphia, but many users never intend to compete. They do it for the status and/or to mask insecurities about themselves by improving their physical appearance, without ever intending to step on stage. It's vanity at the cost of quality of life in the future.

[@evaneichler4952]

Is the bar tilted?

[@JoshBenware]

If someone quits after a year of use and returns to the same size, that would mean they didnt gain any muscle mass for a year of lifting. Not sure if thats common, but ive seen guys on it for years, absolute monsters, but then looking like someone who doesnt lift after coming off for a couple months. All that damage for less gains than a natural.

[@Amatronix999]

Would they lose those gains that quick?

[@bhalls100]

Thats whats shocking to me. They say its supposedly much easier to maintain muscle once you have it. Like 4 working sets per week vs 8-12 sets to actually build muscle. So how can people loose it so fast?

[@soonahero]

@@bhalls100calories in calories out

[@IrateWizrd]

@@Amatronix999 because their body isn't blasted on gear the body catabolizes a lot of it since it can't sustain it anymore. It's like how old people lose muscle mass over time as their test drops but it happens all at once.

[@germanrud9904]

I don't know what labs these bottles were tested, but every source I've ever procured has been accurate to the .1%, tested by myself.

[@grouchdouglas5507]

That’s why you always test your gear with an AAS test kit. It won’t show potency but it will show if it is what its suppose to be

[@DOOR.DASH.TYRONE]

But it doesn’t show if there is additional contaminants, heavy metals, and it can’t test to prove if the gear is sterile. It will only test for that specific steroid you test for but that doesn’t solve the problem.

[@Anandfulness]

Nope, it can still be contaminated with all kinds of chemicals you never wanted.

[@oswelds]

Center the bar you savage! 😂

[@HadynWiseman]

You can buy home testing kits to check if what you got was real. If you're gonna go that route then you need to be as safe as possible so well worth doing.

[@kmb957]

That's saying the home testing kits are accurate.

[@Pile_of_carbon]

Super interesting vid! Kids on gear is just fucking sad. A 17 to 20 y/o guy already has all the testosterone he'll ever need to get huge if he's just willing to put in the work and it won't even cost him his dick or having to deal with literally explosive acne either.

[@ELdASenSei]

Omar the GOAT!!

[@aurnob93]

I understand this video but at the same time some people want to go further I. Bodybuilding and muscle development past being natural For thst, they shouldn’t be judged Even Omar himself peaked at 23-25 and seems to be sitting around a size which he can maintain now, I personally want to be huge so yeah I’ve accepted reality. Good on everyone for their choices Abuse is a different situation

[@Ben-qe8ju]

I was taking Sustanon and HCG as part of a legally prescribed TRT regimen in the UK. Started in around May 2021 and although I sought TRT for reasons besides deteriorating strength and fat gain, holy shit were the changes more than I expected. 5kg in about 2 months (some water) and my gym mojo was back, with some PRs following shortly after. Quite remarkable, and only from 125mg and 1500 IU per week. I think it’s a sign I would have responded amazingly to higher doses. Unfortunately, I had to come off in August 2022 when I moved to another country, and I took that opportunity to see if I could stay off (because injections suck and I’m quite risk averse). Well, a year later and I’m worse off than before I started TRT, and it’s been increasingly evident in the last 3-4 months. Hard to say if that’s a coincidence, but I doubt it, and it reinforces the reason I wanted it in the first place. I had zero negative side affects aside from some water retention in the early weeks. No gyno, acne or hair loss, although I’m naturally prone to none of those, fortunately.

[@PiratDunkelbart]

Thatsuxx, whatsyour country now? What doses did you have btw? one single injection per week or smaller ones? Did you do this at the doctors office or at home? Having reached 40 Im thinking about it too, not because of the super gains, but to counter lack of drive etc.

[@judgementrizzy]

If you'd been prescribed it I assume the goal was to keep your testosterone levels within a normal male range, which is probably why you didn't suffer side effects. Sustanon is also widely used and appears safe at appropriate doses. I'm not saying you definitely would have gotten negative effects at higher doses, it's just the simplest explanation.

[@Ben-qe8ju]

@@PiratDunkelbart I’m in the Netherlands now. Prescribed dose was 125mg per week split into two (but I just did one per week without issues). All done from home.

[@Ben-qe8ju]

@@judgementrizzy Most definitely - the goal was to be optimal, not an Olympia bodybuilder. The issue for me is not low T output, but abnormally high SHBG lowering free T. My SHBG actually decreased to within the normal range when I began TRT. The only negative according to my blood work was elevated estradiol.

[@judgementrizzy]

@@Ben-qe8ju ahh that makes a lot of sense. It's actually really cool that you had a doctor/endocrinologist who explained all that to you and kept you properly informed.

[@kanewills9604]

Hey Omar, I think it'd be really cool if you discussed this topic with someone who is deeply involved/passionate about the enhanced bodybuilding space - it could be a really interesting back-and-forth. Milos Sarcev comes to mind!! I would watch the shit outta that

[@tribeard5424]

The amount of insecurity between the 3 of them could fuel a nuclear warhead

[@bluejay2623]

Can't help people that don't wanna be helped. Let them end up like Boston Lloyd, Dallas McCarver, John Meadows, Cedric McMillan, Jo Linder, Zyzz, Rich Piana 💀

[@mattsadventures206]

I’m just too scared to take steroids. Too many side effects

[@finervintage]

Damn dude your next video better be the lat routine

[@thomasdhdh]

isn't the loss of mass then mainly contributed to a bad offcycle of hormone rebalance? Doing steroids is really much more then just a cycle, you also need an hormone rebalance cycle.

[@vinr3284]

Dude you're alive?

[@OmarIsuf]

This is an old video from 2012

[@SergeyLifts]

@@OmarIsuf In fact, the cited study is non other than the Harlem Shake study, from 2012

[@IberianInteractive]

these guys might not know what they are taking, but it's definitely working...

[@nicholasdorsino73]

Still no Pie Chart? How can this be?

[@nobodymr2146]

I love the fact that everyone is in a hurry. The foundations they need to build is what gave respect to the top athletes. Cultivating discipline in diet, recovery and exercise routine was always the goal. Not to be ABLE to eat donuts and chocolate milk to get away with it. Just a bunch of Icarus mindsets I feel. Hopefully this will reach some people in understanding.

[@Ont785]

The best part of this is after the five minutes of fame, reality sets in pretty goddamn quick

[@DCJayhawk57]

Isn't the main point of a bodybuilding coach a reliable hookup to pharma grade (or near it) gear? Isn't this why so many bodybuilders go to Oxygen Gym in Kuwait?

[@WolfusMandrago]

Today I learned that I have the negative side effects of steroids without ever taking steriods. All pain, no gain!

[@aukusti1]

Am I the only one who is distracted by the bar behind omar not being even😅 Otherwise great video!

[@kevinlee4449]

I noticed it right away too lol

[@corwynmatthew6625]

Good talk, Omar. 💪 🍖

[@Mareko997]

A lot of people think that steroid gains can be kept after discontinuing, because of the myonuclei thing. Plenty of examples even online shows that this is not the truth, yes you retain myonuclei long term but they are useless since the enhanced hormonal backgroud is no longer there. Like fat cells that shrinks while dieting, they dont grow back if calories dont go up again. Also you need to consider the mental aspect of going off gear wich impact the motivation a lot and the time frame of hormonal recovery (which is not 100% guaranteed). Steroids user that doesn't commit to blast And cruise for life will 100% end up worse than a committed natural lifter

[@Lightitupp1]

Its not just the muscle nuclei, you recruit muscle motor units that you would never be able to recruit naturally making you stronger than you could have ever been. More strength will equal to more growth potential. Don't think people are claiming they will retain most of it but it's also a cope to say they will lose all of it.

[@Slowe_]

I think Mark Bell said it best in Bigger Stronger Faster, until you hit the plateau you shouldnt even think about steroids. You can have so many gains and until you have reached your absolute peak you shouldnt mess with steroids at all.

[@kanewills9604]

I agree! I still also think that many think they've hit a plateau before they actually have. Their lifts or physique might have remained the same for a while but there are likely stones unturned in the realms of diet, training, recovery, etc. That's just my two cents and also based on personal experience tho haha

[@Nostalgiaforinfi]

There is no plateau period. You can make progress continually.

[@kanewills9604]

@@Nostalgiaforinfi I think that is ignoring a lot of what people actually experience. You may be able to continually make progress, but often I hear of people coming to a stand-still. It could be that they aren't aware of the steps they need to take to continue to progress. Or it could be that the changes become so minor that they can't perceive them. I kind of feel like each person has their own physical limits - but I also think it's often true that people think they've reached those before they actually have.

[@La0bouchere]

@@Nostalgiaforinfi This isn't true, there is a point where the training required to make more gains exceeds what you can recover from. For continuous progress to be possible, you'd have to be able to infinitely train harder and at the same time infinitely become better at recovering, both of which aren't possible. Now, most people won't actually hit a plateau like this since it takes so much work over so many years. Most people who think they've hit a plateau need to just scale up training a bit.

[@Nostalgiaforinfi]

@@kanewills9604 yes people lack the knowledge of how to train as a natural and stagnate. using PED advice wont work.

[@kjlovescoffee]

They gained 5kg on the special supplements? That means they're absolutely not working out in any meaningful sense. One of the Institute for Human Anatomy videos discussed a paper where they tested the effectiveness of the special supplements (I don't remember which ones). Even the control group - the group that did not work out at all - gained significant mass. On the other end of the scale, I'm 45, natural (too many of those side effects are already in my family without any external help), in a 1000kcal deficit, and even I am gaining about 2kg lean mass a year. So what are these brocolli boys doing in the gym? Just posing for IG pics?

[@URWELCOME]

Most high-school kids want to be like tren twins and sam sulek than russel orhi (he's a fake natty too)

[@macgar100]

Only 4-6%, I thought it would be way higher 😮

[@Peatore]

The problem is young men are absolutely terrible at long term thinking. They don't think about thier 30s or beyond the immediate. Even after a year of lifting natty, you are still going to be stronger than most people. 8 years on you can be a dude in your 30s who is strong as hell and in their best health. Without any of the PED complications. But an early 20 something generally doesn't think that far ahead. Worse even is the literal children who hop on the sauce.

[@adam_bbing]

#1 is have a reputable source if you decide to go under that road

[@Beecels]

wearing raskol apparel is like anabolics with no side effects (except small calves)

[@RoidfreeSenior]

If you don't compete in powerlifting, strongman, bodybuilding, etc,,, the risk to reward for juicing is not worth it at all. Even if you do, it is still questionable

[@TheGreatAustino]

Back when I was 18 it was rare to see youths on steroids. Jeff Seid was one of the biggest young influencers on roids but now whenever I see young bodybuilders it seems like a serious and obvious increase

[@Killerkraft975]

Getting big and jacked is not the goal. Enjoying the grind and wanting to go to the gym is the goal, the extra mass is the reward.

[@boombidom]

The bar isn't even 😭😭

[@Alidwee1]

Why put Sam's name in the title and then not even reference him in the video? Not to mention, I don't think he has ever talked about his gear use.

[@pasta5818]

he is concerned about gear use and more people starting to use and sam is one of the gear users trending now wich sligthly promotes use

[@Alidwee1]

@@pasta5818 But if he never talks about it and you still think he's doing something wrong then essentially you're saying it's wrong for him to have a successful youtube channel and look the way he does, which isn't a very fair standard to hold him to. I'm not saying their isn't a problem with substance abuse in this industry, just that Sam isn't part of the problem. I think it's more likely that Omar is using his name to get clicks.

[@pasta5818]

@@Alidwee1 hes not essentially saiyng anything about sam and not at all saying "it's wrong for him to have a successful youtube channel and look the way he does" and if you pay a little attention to the video as he says "im not anti steroids, im pro informed choice.." he literaly puts a picture of sam saying "i am not saying popular figures like sam or the tren twins are bad role models or condemn their choices. their impressionable audiences howerver should know some of the true risks associated with aas.", Sam and any other influencer on gear ARE part of the problem with substance use and abuse as they can indirectly encourage uninformed people to jump on gear that as showed in the study is most cases will be completly different from what they think they are getting and with people like sam his audience doent see the side effetcs or problems he migth be having from his use, they migth even think that is normal how he can barely breathe, the point of putting him in the video is to bring the video to his audience

[@soonahero]

⁠@@Alidwee1it’s wrong for him to commit felonies yes. “Isn’t a fair standard” he should be in prison and have his gear confiscated

[@nostromo9081]

NGL I'm jumping on some Tren Ace right after watching the video. Maybe I got test instead and will not cough violently this time around.

[@drip369]

That pair of dark chocolate looks really really good

[@swoops41]

Social media says steroids are cool. And they’ll tell you exactly what to take and where to get it. What did everyone think was gonna happen?

[@timgazsy666]

Yo Timmy trying to get BIG!!! Now!

[@JeffO-]

I love how he says impordance. Not to minimize the impordance of this very informative video. Also interesting is the majority of people who go on TRT end up discontinuing. So imagine the problems with non-prescribed stuff from who-knows-where.

[@PinataOblongata]

I fucking hate that, Americans all seem to do it. It's either impordant or they skip a letter entirely and say impor-ant. There's also "ex-spear-mint" instead of experiment and "tem-peh-churr" instead of temperature. Grinds my gears.

[@JeffO-]

@@PinataOblongata I don't hate it at all. It's just how he pronounces it. He's very articulate and has a great voice. Although it is weird to me when some put a 'grunt' in place of a letter like you say. Here in the midwest people say temp-ah-churr all the time. I like to pronounce it phonetically.

[@nightwing5405]

Honestly if you work hard and smart you will see great results in less than 7 years! More like 4-5 years

[@DiamondFlame45]

It’s insane that steroid use is so normalized now!

[@mr.potatohead6138]

It exposes character flaws too

[@mithos789]

did anyone say anything when arnold was on them? seems like genZ gets hate for the same thing boomers did.

[@boneTHUGS111]

Im tempted to get on something for a short period, ive had covid twice in the last yr and it ruined my gains both times! first time i was at my strongest, i was repping 155lbs on weighted pull ups for like 5 reps, then covid struct like a yr ago.. had full on fever, couldnt eat and lost it all and couldnt get it back after, bulked still couldnt get it back, then i got it again two weeks ago and im in an even worse spot now, im so pissed off! all that hard work gone like that! so right now im very tempted to get on something, thinking sarms

[@AMan-vs4vs]

My burning question is, where are they getting them from?! The dude behind the gym by the dumpster?

[@estack925]

"eat clen, tren hard, anavar give up!" lmao

[@JGJ505]

Me watching the video after injecting my yk11 to my lab rat 5min ago 😅😂

[@Alex55455]

Seriously most people that use steroids have absolutely zero business going anywhere near them (especially recreational lifters and low level competitors) and just take them out of insecurity. If you think getting big and ripped in a short amount of time is going to solve all your problems you are going to find out very quickly it’s not what you thought it would be like. You will be very disappointed and dissatisfied still because all of your problems and insecurities will still be there bigger than ever.

[@Anandfulness]

Waiting for Jeff Nippard to make a similar video. His last one sounded like a fucking commercial for steroids.

[@Lightitupp1]

And grossly misinterpreted the data

[@andytheindividual3862]

I cant even watch a video from that dude without feeling bad for him, kid is going down fast. Thats not what exercise is about.

[@fenzterpenzter3701]

Omar whats ur biceps size?