Omicron BA.5 vs. Vaccines and Previous Infection

Roger Seheult, MD of MedCram examines the effectiveness of vaccinations and previous infection against the BA.5 omicron sub-variant of COVID-19 . See all Dr. Seheult's videos at: www.medcram.co...
(This video was recorded on July 25, 2022)
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He is Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Pulmonary Disease, Critical Care, and Sleep Medicine and an Associate Professor at the University of California, Riverside School of Medicine.
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[@Medcram]

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[@raphaelsaint2130]

People need immunity from the corrupted/evil Medical Community.

[@keywee849]

"Aiders and abetters of Nuremberg Crimes are equally guilty, and have also been persecuted, convicted and executed." Francis Boyle

[@relaxationsoundsambience2724]

Clearly, there is vaccine efficacy and reduction of hospitalization and death, but in as much as this is true, what do these studies reveal if any in the immunocompromised patients? I'm an NP who has worked in Covid telemedicine since the beginning of this menace. I see immunocompromised patients whom we refer for Evusheld Covid-19 prophylaxis, and most are not able to mount an adequate immune response to Covid vaccines, even with the boosters, period. These are mainly oncology and transplant patients on their 5th vaccine (3 primary Covid vaccine series) plus 2 boosters and are defenseless. Evusheld, a long-acting monoclonal antibody provides potential protection from Covid-related illness for up to 6 months, but lo and behold, these patients are still getting infected, no hospitalization so far and hope it stays that way. Is Evusheld more beneficial for the immunocompromised? If so, can these patients just get the robust immune boost from Evusheld every 6 months instead of boosting those who cannot mount an adequate immune response to Covid vaccines? Thanks MedCram for keeping us informed.

[@rob9207]

The study is in The New England Journal Of Medicine btw, but I just linked the article above since it discusses it.

[@mikeanthony8699]

People here in the comments are claiming that the booster makers it more likely that you catch the disease

[@cobar5342]

I am a Family Doctor in Australia. The majority of patients I see with Omicron are fully vaccinated. Although this is annecdotal, I see no benefit in using the current vaccines. As a community, we need a large paradigm shift. (BTW I find the anti-viral agents to be very helpful)

[@jacob1121]

@@Lp78Ch Parasites are plenty in Australia *wink wink* prescribe for that reason.

[@LulaMae21]

Do you find your infected but vaccinated patients end up deathly ill in the hospital?

[@jLw123]

Aren’t the majority of Australians vaccinated? This doesn’t seem surprising since the vaccines clearly don’t prevent infection. Do you see a difference in severity between the vax and unvaccinated?

[@jLw123]

There are other anti virals available.

[@Rebecca-zx7sy]

@@jLw123 I don't think the vax does anything. Pretty much everyone in Australia was forced to be vaccinated and we have still had over 11,000 covid deaths so far this year. We are a population of 25.6 million. Average around 750 to 850 in hospital each day.

[@europanzz]

im 69 and in good health,, taking no pharmaceuticals for anything.. i didnt get vaxxed and have been excluded and demonized and ostracised . I should be rewarded for making the right choices and not being a burden on the heatlh system .My triple vaxxed friends and family have been dropping like flies around me while i have had no viral infections for years..

[@nicknick5968]

Amen

[@patrickvankeuren9082]

So you apparently think this proved vaccination is unnecessary. Wow, you think you represent the older population at large?

[@cherylmcduff5388]

Me too. 66 years young. Never had the flu or a bad cold in my life. No vaccine. No antibiotics in over 30 years. Optimal vit d levels for 20 years. Taken vit c zinc selenium magnesium melatonin for years as well. Vaxxed friends way sicker than I have ever been

[@jj4cpw]

67 and also in good health and unvaxxed with no ingestion of pharma products (well, tylenol). If I had Covid I didn't know it and, no, I didn't isolate or mask (except when mandated) and, in fact, was in FL (yes, the 'let's kill granma state) during the height of Omicron. Anyone who thinks there isn't still much to be learned about this virus, the vaccines and our (over-the-top) response is being blinded my the ms media.

[@breccialeigh3073]

No vax here. Case of covid last December, about 4 days flu like symptoms. No other illness.

[@mikesawyer1336]

I was recently boosted and previously vaccinated with Mira and after about 60 days I contracted actual Covid. And it was a bad case, but it was like I hadn’t been vaccinated at all. I was quite disappointed and thankfully I have recovered..

[@eugenia4022]

I am a GP trained in Australia. To specialists who work in secondary and tertiary care the vaccine is the solution already since the number of ICU admissions remains low and therefore out of sight out of mind. From our point of view this is now the beginning of a health disaster since people still present with symptoms, and not to mention how very little we know about long covid and the long term health consequences. Who knows what is coming for our next generations who are likely to catch a number of covid infections over the years and what those infections with inflammation can do to their immune system and some of the organs. As primary care physicians we look at prevention while others don’t seem to be interested at all. But if they are not so tunnel visioned they should also start to think of the cost burden coming up in the next few decades associated with illnesses which have covid as a risk factor.

[@Medcram]

Very good points!

[@bimmjim]

@Eugenia .. Your English language skills are not up to a level that I expect from a person with a degree. I'm an engineer.

[@sunshinesallday]

If it worked why are there still cases in Israel where they are vx 5 times at least ... and not able to ride the bus or work unless they receive the jab.

[@mavisemberson8737]

@@bimmjim Probably no editing? Not everyone can edit their writing with what is provided in Mail Programs. It also depends on the device the message is written on.

[@PKWeaver74]

@@bimmjim Your critical thinking skills are not up to the standard I expect from a person who is employed as an engineer. I'm a home-owner.

[@danieldawe87]

So far out of my family and friends and their family and friends the vaccinated have been more sick then the unvaccinated. I myself am unvaccinated and all I got was a head ache for a day.

[@pamelawatson9707]

Same here, they are not listening to us,but time will tell. Let's see for how long they are going to continue with these stories

[@SS-tz6rs]

Same. We had Omnicron back in Dec or Jan and only my husband was vaccinated. It went straight to his lungs and he was coughing for weeks. I had 1 day of scratchy throat, 1 day of low grade fever and severe body aches (it hurt to put clothes on) and by day 3 I was turning the corner. I now have what I guess to be BA.5 and it has gone pretty similarly to Omnicron. Day 1 scratchy throat. Day 2 - body aches but not as severe as w/ Omnicron, sneezing and runny nose. Day 3 - today, feels like I'm turning the corner. Still a bit fatigued and achey but feel much better than yesterday. So far my family hasn't gotten it but I'm sure it's unfortunately only a matter of time.

[@Incognito-vc9wj]

Finally some direct info I’ve been looking for without any nonsense. Thankyou!

[@briansmith9439]

Are there studies demonstrating a measurable benefit experienced or to be expected between patients having the lower versus higher neutralizing titers as shown on the graph of 2 Pfizer/Moderna versus 3 Pfizer/Moderna at 12:45? If so, what are those benefits? What is the duration of any benefit? The amount of time that lapses after a vaccine correlates with the neutralizing titers so is there a way to account for this in the first set of graphs where there was a spread of 13 to 90 days which makes comparisons between vaccine effects based on this set of graphs pretty suspect as to the accuracy. Any such modification, such as standardizing all responses to 30 days, carries with it its own set of statistical error problems but it's better to compare red delicious apples to granny smith apples than it is apples to oranges. Your emphasis on the neutralizing titers being only one parameter is highlighted by research demonstrating that those with a previous Omicron variant infection, i.e. not 4/5, have 80% protection against any reinfection by BA4/5 versus a 28% protection rate for those with an earlier, non-Omicron, Sars-2 infection.

[@alireid5874]

My primary takeaway when comparing antibody neutralization data to real world result is... neutralization is necessary, but not sufficient evidence of vaccine efficacy.

[@NobogiSomebogi]

27:37 '...positive, but mild infection...' If this is indeed the case and the reason behind the low neutralisation, then maybe this also illustrates the limitation of the concept of neutralisation and the idea of antibody. At the end of the day, our focus is not to have a high level of antibody being produced in our body. Our focus is not to be sick, but to feel well.

[@Ed__Powell]

Since antibody titers decline over time, unless the “mean days after shot” are the same (or close to the same), the titers are not sensibly comparable. So I’m afraid that no real conclusions can be made from this data.

[@bwii369]

Totally agree. Knowing mrna waning protection, this study is very flawed and misleading with mrna groups significantly shorter mean days. I'd rather go opposite way from these numbers suggested.

[@larahuffmaster5857]

Thank you!

[@ClawsNGloves]

Relative risk reduction vs Absolute risk reduction.

[@babbsinbabeland]

How many infections over a life time is detrimental? And how many vaccines over a lifetime is detrimental? Can't be good... prevention of replication/cytokine storm needs to be front and center

[@SuperJosteen]

If you look at the history of mankind throughout the ages, you will find that there are no virus/bacteria/any other pathogen in this godforsaken earth that could reinfect anyone in just a span of 28 days like covid, so the answer to your question is, we don't fucking know because it have never occurred before. It might be fine because we will build more tolerance and antibody over repeated infections, or it might be the complete opposite and every repeated infections drives you closer to our demise.

[@kanib.7928]

He actually talked about that in the last video I saw. I believe more than 2 began to show increasing problems.

[@lukestone2713]

I prefer to let my body fight things naturally.. like it has for thousands of years from generation to generation.. I hardly take advil or anything because I think it is good for the body to endure things from time to time.. Like wind blowing on trees and plants making their roots stronger, making them more durable in the future.. If you look at isolated tribes.. for thousands of years they have been segregated from society and the diversity of bacteria that has been normalized into our systems if introduced into their communities now, would have devastating effects. I like the wind, leave me alone.

[@obedan3990]

Resurgence of hepatitis amongst children during this Covid19...why? Kindly please cover this topic in your next video😊

[@rockspoon6528]

Isolation. Children were not exposed to viruses (including benign versions of hepatitis) which normally build an immunity to hepatitis.

[@Chadlifter]

Covid vaccine.

[@helloagain1400]

@@Chadlifter how

[@Chadlifter]

@@helloagain1400 because it's not safe. Look at the pfizer documents reluctantly released 5 months ago. They requested to keep them undisclosed for 75 years to no avail. You cannot release a vaccine after less than 5 years of trials thats just stupid. If u have trouble finding it, Russel Brand has a video about it.

[@etiennegagnon3724]

My question is , what is the benefit to stimulate my immune system every three months with a vaccins ?

[@Medcram]

Just three times like most vaccine series such as hepatitis B.

[@PianoPsych]

It seems to me this otherwise helpful paper unfortunately evaluates the natural immunity benefit only by looking at titers of spike protein antibody in its attempt to compare it to the various vaccinations. Despite Dr. Crotty’s comments about the importance of creating neutralizing antibodies to the spike protein, we recognize that antibodies to the nucleocapsid protein are a proxy for natural immunity because natural immunity, in the absence of vaccination, reliably produces antibodies to nucleocapsid protein. The UK public health data shows that the titers of nucleocapsid protein antibodies decrease with increased number of vaccine doses (immune imprinting). There is no reason to believe that nucleocapsid protein antibodies are not neutralizing, and they have the advantage that they are less likely to differ between different SARS-CoV-2 strains. Perhaps the results of the Israeli study that found natural immunity to be 27 times more effective than vaccine immunity rests in part on the production of a wider range of antibody responses.

[@flagmichael]

The WHO says about BA.4 and BA.5: "these lineages have identical constellation of mutations in the spike and the following differences outside the spike: BA.4: ORF7b:L11F, N:P151S, ORF6:D61L, ORF1a:del141/143; BA.5: M:D3N." That is not good news for resistance from previous strains.

[@lanadecker8800]

Please forgive my plain language - sounds like being fully vaccinated and fighting off strain B5 gives you just as much advantage, if not more, than having boosters alone?

[@PianoPsych]

@@flagmichael I can’t draw the conclusion you do from the list of mutations outside the spike protein. I wouldn’t expect that one or two mutations on the nucleocapsid protein would render ineffective previous antibodies developed against the nucleocapsid protein.

[@PianoPsych]

@@lanadecker8800 I believe so. I would go further and suggest that an infection with omicron is a useful vaccination for the vast majority of us.

[@andrewfinlay5160]

Lets learn that 4 Drs in Ontario after taking the 4 th booster for the team on July 14 th 2022.. unfortunately. Dr Paul Hannam Dr Lorne Segall Dr Stephen McKenzie Dr Jakub Sawicki are no longer with us.. check it out get the word out ..this should be information for all..

[@Medcram]

Actually: torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-hospitals-confirm-deaths-of-four-physicians-but-deny-vaccine-related

[@irisdogma8174]

Immune memory is the key. Neutralizing antibodies generally vastly overstated in importance.

[@sunshinesallday]

overstated?? Well then wait til they start feeding you some of those yummy bugs and give you kool aid to wash them down

[@LulaMae21]

@@sunshinesallday Someone never passed middle school science. 🤡

[@michalchik]

Unfortunately this data seems a very limited use. This is an antibody assay. Most resistance to coronaviruses seem to be cell mediated. Antibodies are more important for preventing initial infection but generally don't last as long. Cell mediated seems sufficient for preventing the worst of the disease outside the upper respiratory system. Cell mediated helps prevent systemic viremia and deep infections in the lungs which is more critical for mortality and long-term morbidity. This is an oversimplification. Everything plays a role. That's part of my point though that we are relying too much on antibodies because they're relatively easy to assay

[@fibber2u]

What is useful to the lay person like me is that we are advised that a third vaccine has some efficacy. So I conclude from that, that vulnerable people should get additional boosters. Am I correct?

[@franny5295]

I have no IgG antibodies. None. I've caught the original strain, the delta strain, the alpha strain and now two bouts of omicron. My son is 5 and he's caught it too. Largely because I assumed, after the first, we were immune. Nope. Then certainly after the second. Nope. And on and on. However, no matter where I pick it up or who I've caught it from, they have not been able to detect virus in my nose since delta. The initial infection feels like a sudden onset of hellish hay fever. It's like a bomb went off in my sinuses. Within 12 hours my snot goes thick and yellow then the fun starts. It all swells shut. I normally use a netti pot for allergies but with this, I have to use the squeeze bottle to force the saline solution through my sinuses and the pressure in my ears is rediculous. That's the first 24 hours or so after my snot hours yellow. Then comes the sneezing and profuse nasal discharge. Then 24 hours later a low grade fever. Then 24 hours later, I'm fine. All with no antibodies. If everybody were doing this, at the very least, we'd stop passing it around because I can't infect anybody with undetectable virus loads. They need stop playing and come up with something that will actually work. I didn't get vaccinated. By the time the vaccines were available I'd already caught it and didn't see the point.

[@repealsection230forbigtech4]

@@fibber2u no you're not correct. Check the studies from Israel, no benefit at all, and there's evidence that those who had all 3 or 2, have a greater propensity to catch it than those with no inocul'n . The spyke has completely changed think about it.

[@repealsection230forbigtech4]

@@franny5295 exactly, your immune system got to see the entire 'organism', the products only sjow

[@tonyredhawk]

I had the Pfizer jab, then I got sick with Delta. Had the antibody and that fixed me up. Just recently got the BA5 and it got better on its own. It was like a bad cold with a very sore throat. Lots of lung secretions. Not even as close to scary as Delta.

[@jenniferbritzke9887]

I had Delta too. It was really scary.

[@anniewang117]

Oh boy still a lot of lung secretions? Oh man… but still not as scary as delta? Oh man…..

[@alexnew4975]

I didn't get delta but got this 1. it was a piling of mild symptoms; sore back, sore throat, mild fever, chills, nausea, some fatigue, some congestion, but no cough or wheeze. all gone after 2.5 days except fatigue, sore throat, and congestion

[@LulaMae21]

@@jenniferbritzke9887 Same. 0/10 do not recommend.

[@robertolsen9721]

I got BA 5 as a previous covid 19 infected unvaccinated. My symptoms were fever and headache, it was all over in 36 hours.

[@manbearpig8691]

Another study on the potential benefits of additional shots. I wish there were as many studies on the negative long term side effects of these shots. Very 1 sided research. Follow the money.

[@mikethetravelguy]

You cannot compare the infection at 41 days to Pfizer at 14 days as you just did. Separately, do B & T cells get into the plasma? Also, what is the value of the antibodies that is required to make a clinical difference. Want you and everyone to know that overall, love the level of information you provide.. thank you!

[@antoniolittera2154]

2 Pfizer - Got Delta Moderna booster - Got BA.5 I’m giving up on these shots now.

[@grahamrankin4725]

How sensitive are the home tests vs PCR tests for detecting BA5 especially if fully vaccinated and boosted?

[@carolbicknell9603]

Great question!!

[@dystoniaify]

Hospitalizations with covid should be counted separately from Hospitalizations from covid.

[@lolitalolipops4154]

There’d be no narrative then

[@1ACL]

They are...try to keep up..

[@Cevapcici_]

Reference?

[@richware1]

The concern I have about this study as a lay person is that most people don't really care about the end point of antibody titers, they care about protection from hospitalization and death and to a lesser degree preventing transmission. You can't really translate antibody titers to the end points most people care about. The study I'd like to see is this study, well powered, showing actual patient outcomes.

[@rockspoon6528]

Pfizer rep, during a FDA committee hearing: "It doesn't make a dime's worth of difference [in the number of symptoms present]... ...But it doesn't seem to make the disease worse."

[@NoName-ip4tt]

Biology was one of the lessons that I abhor during high school. Medcram really helped me love this branch of science...

[@bybit2554]

LOL

[@kevindecoteau3186]

I'm waiting for the vaccine in 2027, that will be the one. So tired of all of this!

[@kayakutah]

My wife and I had 2 Modernas + a booster. In early May, we both got mild COVID. I'm counting that as a second booster! Edit: my wife only had the two initial Moderna shots.

[@jeanwesleynew]

Nature's booster

[@susymay7831]

Get your second booster now! In roughly four months there may be a third booster targeting both the old and new variants and you will be able to get that as well if you meet the criteria.

[@itmaster3805]

@@susymay7831 But the latest study is showing that after infected with BA5 you are backwards immunized to all the previous OMICRONS, so WHY get a shot ? Recent studies are also showing 2 YEAR immunity with 50% + efficacy. NO JAB can do that.

[@joehewitt189]

Guess what? I've had no jabs, and still covid negative.

[@timdaniels2100]

@@joehewitt189 But, just think, how sick you could have been if you had been fully vaccinated? BTW, Congratulations, you passed the IQ test.

[@Cjaz84]

I work in a medical clinic only had my first round of pfiser with no boosters. Still no covid. I check my antibody level every few months and it is there, not flaming but there. So I think I am getting constant exposure. I have tested negative at every sniffle or weird feeling. Been 2 months without masks in clinic. But have been not masking in most situations in my personal life for a bit longer. This video is so interesting. Bless the researchers because I am just here piecing together undergrad immunology and cellular bio and experimenting on myself.

[@sunshinesallday]

Thank you for posting this as a health care worker and thank you for being a health care worker and all you do.

[@shashamarie4760]

I'm similar and trying to figure it out. Double vaxed (normal two moderna in 2021 March/April)..I teach 7th grade and have been exposed easily 100 times. My fiance was sick for (and positive) 7 days. I've never been sick. Am I lucky? Is it my dad in heaven? Does my mask work? Vaccines? All the above? 🤗💜🙏

[@sunshinesallday]

It’s your bodies own immune system building antibodies. That’s why health care workers and teacher that have been exposed don’t really get too sick. This is much better and lasts much longer than any jab ever will no matter how good. A real vax would have been made from the virus itself. This is some kind of sick experiment the WEF has imposed with their scare tactics bcuz of a lab made experiment in the first place. When will these people stop. Go find a cure for cancer or epilepsy. We need the hand of God to stop these demented people now.

[@Cjaz84]

I even slept in bed next to my covid positive partner, because why not i am just goong to get it too. No covid. Crazy. I feel like someone should want my blood.

[@shashamarie4760]

@@Cjaz84 lmao I've been looking into the science behind my blood. I believe they say O negative has less chance of contraction. I also slept in the same bed with my partner the night before, took a shower together, kissed me goodbye, and he felt sick at 8am Positive. I never got it. No clue. Can we sell our blood?

[@Weathernerd27]

I got a Johnson and Johnson shot alittle over a year ago and I got Omicron in January. 2 weeks ago I worked directly with someone who had COVID, neither of us wore a mask and I did not get sick. This tells me that natural infection immunity is pretty good. I wish I could say that someone with 4 shots could work with a COVID positive person and not get sick but stories from relatives and statistics indicate a lot of double boosted people are getting sick. It makes sense that natural infection immunity is better than vaccine immunity because a natural infection teaches you're body to recognize/fight the entire virus while the vaccine only teaches you're body to recognize/flight a small piece of the virus (spike protien). If the spike protein changes someone who recovered from a natural infection is still okay because their body will recognize the other parts of the virus.

[@nicknick5968]

Thank you

[@alleyoop5185]

@L are you saying the boost didn’t do much good?

[@marj8885]

On my ICU I too see patients coming in with other problems and happens to be positive. No symptoms of covid whatsoever.

[@msmithy7813]

Why does Canada now have Unknown causes as the leading cause of death now? It's not even close either and has left heart disease and cancer in the dust. Can you explain this?

[@katalincatchpolenefister8954]

Scam those tests are a scam. This whole pandamic was based on those tests.

[@ksharif3354]

So, the mRNA vacancies were checked two weeks after being delivered against the others months later. As time goes on, the body reduced the antibodys it was making. Lest see if they check the results for the mRNA vacancies months later, I've got a feeling that the results would look more like the rest. As someone with my 3 mRNA injections with no issues, I'm not against mRNA vacancies, I'm against fudging the data.

[@norsknordmann4608]

Looks like its best to have multiple vaccines every 7 days.

[@EssPhour]

There is actually a recent reputable study that looks at the data you are suggesting based on efficacy, they looked at the data for both Delta & BA.5 and Natural Aquired Immunity, and their data shows similar data as this study, Mdrn & Pfzr max efficacy peaks at 14 days( which was 60% efficacy BA.5), then starts to fall off quickly, 90 days post jab efficacy was 9%. While the doctor going over the data showed a chart, he briefly covered the 120-day and beyond data, by simply stating data was so low that there wasn't enough to make any conclusions, then he moved on, what was curious is if you looked at the chart, it was actually showing a progressively negative efficacy for Pfzr & Mdrn starting roughly at 120 days with a 0% efficacy then 210 days out it showed a -17% efficacy, it might have simply been a projection based on the trajectory of graph. But his conclusion was you needed a quarterly booster to have any significant type of protection assuming you hadn't been previously infected.

[@kc26119]

Look at the real info. Dr. Been tells the truth. God bless you all!!

[@ARTofTY-TV]

The shots efficacy drops significantly after 3 months. If you want the high antibody response you would be getting vaccinated quarterly. I'd like to know risk of severe disease at lower antibody levels if you have T cell memory from an old infection.

[@ucouco78]

@@ARTofTY-TV depends on the viral load, high viral load would definitely get you sick even if you've been sick previously.

[@Ed__Powell]

The other problem I find with the whole Big Immunity biz is that they focus almost exclusively on antibody titers rather than B cell or T cell response. One paper I read showed that infection provides better B and T cell response than the mRNA shots. But it’s hard to tell given the lack of data (or the poor quality of what data there is).

[@rocketpig1914]

Not to mention innate and mucosal immunity ...

[@Ed__Powell]

@@rocketpig1914 Yes, exactly. "Wow, this disease attacks the upper respiratory mucosa." "Excellent! We'll give people a vaccine in the shoulder muscle!" Am I the only one who thinks this is odd?

[@rocketpig1914]

@@Ed__Powell I'm not sure nasal vaccines are up to much either. Long and short is, I think, none of these treatments are that great

[@ks-hg5vo]

My thoughts are, antibodies people are familiar with so the whole antibodies are waning starts the fear going again. T and b cells are indeed massively important. So is iga and mucosal. We are not a one trick pony but the media seems to think antibodies is the beginning middle and end. Tissue resident memory cells following natural exposure give the body a great heads up when encountering it a second time.

[@Ed__Powell]

@@ks-hg5vo Excellent comment!

[@yonemitsu1]

Why don’t they work on treatments now since the vaccines are not preventing breakthrough and even having the virus does not provide immunity

[@gribbler1695]

There's plenty of work going on in therapeutics. Wrong, for most people the vaccines prime the immune system and are still highly effective.

[@richplant2205]

There is some amazing new studies dissected on Dr Been

[@sunshinesallday]

Dr Been is more knowledgeable than Roger and more honest. Dr B at least looks at ALL the facts and makes his own diagnosis instead of following what everyone else is saying.

[@brentpettifer3167]

That was the best information on Covid I’ve seen to date!

[@3dagedesign]

What would be the effect on the immune system of a healthy individual , If they were continuously being re-infected every few months for several years.

[@msmithy7813]

Eventually death which is now happening like a slow train wreck.

[@OutlawCaliber13]

I also notice time delay, versus effectiveness seems to suggest that certain vaccines and natural immunity, while appearing lower on the charts, might not necessarily be lower in real time. It's the way the data was collected that makes them appear lower, though they did point out that delay in days after. In that sense, while some vaccines are higher, it seems natural immunity is relatively just as good. I also keep hearing that each successive booster will be less effective, and more create more drawbacks on the body. I have not actually looked into this myself though.

[@Medcram]

coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data

[@jussayinnit]

@@Medcram So you're not going to addess the discrepancies in the days post event??? Wow. Your credibility is going down in my estimation...

[@OutlawCaliber13]

@Limeade I've had the virus at least twice, probably three times. Everyone I know that has the vaccine has been bed ridden sick. I just had the sniffles after the first round of the virus. The majority of the people listed as hospitalized aren't even in for the virus, but for something else. They get listed as covid hospitalized because they have the virus. That casts serious doubt. I can't blame people for doubting socially posted numbers. The water is too muddy. That's not even getting into things that otherwise have been noted about the virus, and that the majority of the population has most likely already had it. Right off the top, 70%+ will catch it, and not even know they had it, or have minor symptoms. I was slightly entertained when they told sick, contagious medical workers to come back to work because they were short staffed, but keep the unvaccinated workers that worked through the pandemic in ppe on the sidelines..... Conflicting messages, conflicting numbers, conflicting accounts, etc. None of this lends towards me putting my faith in all this. Not even counting my own personal experience, which has been the same to people I've talked to from across the world.

[@OutlawCaliber13]

@@Medcram How many of those were admitted because of covid, and in the hospital because of covid?

[@sunshinesallday]

Studies show that the mRNA protein is found in the liver and other organs as well. This is not good. It will impede the liver of doing its job. This why their organs are shutting down.

[@micheleclark2865]

Is if fair to compare immunity from ONE single natural covid infection (no vaccine to interfere with results) with 2 and 3 successive vaccine antibody responses? I think that it would have been truer to compare (particularly in the case of antibody response post booster dose) against at least 2 confirmed natural covid infections, as I'm sure this will have also caused elevation of immune response in the control group. Was this monumental omission deliberate in order to suggest that the only valid pathway to immunity is via the vaccine and successive boosters? (This is very manipulative). It's not just the wide divergence of "time interval since vaccine doses" between the different vaccine manufacturers that makes the results of this study unreliable in comparison. If you are going to use a control (in this case non-vaccine natural immunity) to evaluate your results, then there should be a valid control used at every stage of your comparison, not just throw it in at the beginning, then subsequently omit.

[@jennytrouve5006]

À member of the family got 3💉💉💉 got the Delta and went to the hospital for months ...but is still alive .Protection for serious infection ???????

[@surgtek2006]

Ha ha sucker

[@briangriffiths114]

Very reassuring video with content clearly explained by both Dr Seheult and Dr Crotty.

[@spacecat6463]

Thank you for the update!

[@johnsonpaul1914]

75 years old now and healthy. I had the original in July of 2020 with only the loss of taste and smell for a symptom other than feeling "funny" at work the afternoon before losing taste and smell. I did not get tested. I work as a cashier in a convenience store seeing 800-1000 people per week in a part of the USA that never wore many masks. I have never worn a mask. I talk with the customers, handle their money (no shields) no distancing etc. Not even a sniffle since July of 2020. I might add that I can't remember the last time I have had a cold or flu. Also, in talking with people my observation is that the reinfected ones are those that have been vaxed. I am not saying the the previously infected/ not vaxed people are not being reinfected, but I have never talked to one

[@RussCR5187]

I do believe the data is now showing that vaccinees, and especially those who have been boosted, are more vulnerable to infection by omicron due to Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE).

[@johnsonpaul1914]

@@RussCR5187 Yes, that is what killed the animals in mRNA vaccine trials over the last 20 years. The animals lost the ability to resist anything. BTW, I think ADE and having no immunity might be 2 different thi9ngs. I need to study up on that

[@thorntontarr2894]

Fortunately, you are not the chief scientist in the US. I am certainly glad I don't live "in a part of the USA that never wore many masks". Ever heard of anecdotal comments? If not, reread what you wrote.

[@sophiachavez3377]

So glad you had a mild illness, but, unfortunately, nothing can be learned from your experience except that you have a good immune system.

[@bboucharde]

@@thorntontarr2894 Johnson Paul's story may be true, or it may be creative writing. I wonder: If he were bitten on the ankle by a rabid dog today, would he decline the rabies vaccination?

[@johnbeebe4626]

Why are you not addressing the data on how fast mRNA vaccine immunity and boosts wane over 30, 60 and 90 days for an accurate comparison?

[@martinh9099]

As one of the volunteers who trialled the vaccine it's amazing to see this research! Also - they took our blood samples for a year....but we don't get to know our own antibody levels

[@susanfrazer8172]

Why don't they tell you that?

[@gerrya4818]

​@@susanfrazer8172 typically all samples and data get given a code so that no one knows who it came from as to reduce bias. the code usually just tells whether they were in real vaccine group or placebo so once samples are analyzed no one knows who they came from

[@jasonstupak4535]

Watched and liked, thanks!

[@lurning]

I know you are super busy and thank you so much for all you do. Critical Care nurse here. I had my two Moderna Shots and Two Boosters. Just got Covid 4 days ago. Mild symptoms I actually had Strep that was worse but it was still a breakthrough. I am a 50 yr old healthy male. no comorbities, I exercise all the time. Still testing positive at 4 days with a home kit, indicating that I still have a high viral load. It's my first time getting Covid since this pandemic began. I get plenty of sleep, go in the sun, take vita c and vita d also selenium. It annoys me that I got Covid to say the least.

[@museofeducation9609]

It happens to me also, very healthy diets, lots of sun, moringa, no meats, curriculum, sauna spa, all of a sudden, got chill feeling out of nowhere , room temperature 83, so I did not pay attention . Then few hours, got throat extremely painful, (no fever, brain is super sharp clear) So I bought cough drops to wind down throat pain, and use girl’s facial sauna spa to heat up sinuses area(also heat treatment eyes area ). Now, no more painful throat, coughing 2-3 times in 6 hours periods. Not vaccinated . After reported : Houston nurse gave ivermectin legally to 2000+ patients, including 600 serious patients, i had ivermectin paste 10 days ago ( to cure suspicious parasites, but found non , constantly eat food, because always feel hungry.)

[@cdrcluster9282]

Another concern is not how high the antibodies are in 14 days, but how long does the benefit last? I understand only a couple mths against Omicron

[@MilesCooperUK]

A lot of people only worrying about antibodies here. The immune system goes a little deeper than that! For those saying they would be much worse if they hadn't had the jabs, from the get go the virus was extremely mild for the overwhelming majority.

[@flagmichael]

Between January 13, 2020, and March 7, 2021 (when the COVID Tracking project at the Atlantic stopped collecting data) there were 28,756,489 cases with 515,151 deaths for a 1.8% mortality. In just three months of that winter, December through February, there were 241,068 COVID deaths just in the US. By comparison, in a decade of war in Vietnam the US lost just over 58,000. COVID-19 has been the #1 cause of death in the US for three periods so far, most recently during the "relatively mild" omicron peak. The man who replaced me when I retired lost both parents and a sister to the original strain in a single week. COVID-19 is still the third leading cause of death in the US, after heart disease and cancer. It is a serious mistake to underestimate the potential severity of SARS-CoV-2 infection.

[@MilesCooperUK]

@@flagmichael are those deaths with or from covid? From what I'm seeing still, average age of a covid death is between 80 and 83 - beyond the average life expectancy. This focus on covid is a tragedy. Other diseases still exist. The reactions to covid, especially the lockdowns, have caused excess deaths in all age groups. Look at hepatitis in children right now, that can be blamed on lockdowns in my opinion. The media, that used to bombard us with death figures on a hourly basis, no longer report the massive increase in excess deaths we are now seeing since early April. Because they can't be pinned on the covid virus?

[@TheChipMcDonald]

Complete rubbish.

[@MilesCooperUK]

@@TheChipMcDonald which part?

[@MilesCooperUK]

@Joseph Knecht the overwhelming majority of those who died were in care homes, after several "five eyes" goverments knowingly transfered infected patients there in the early stages of the pandemic.

[@thekeystone7963]

NO. They don’t work. We’ve known this for what, 10 months now? Why are you still making these videos?

[@heidi9547]

Thank you for these Amazing and informative lectures. Could you please do a talk on the research of reactivation of Ebstein Bar Virus from a COVID infection? I'm hearing that Ba4 and.Ba5 can potentially do that. What would be the repercussions of that?

[@flagmichael]

That is really getting into one of the least understood phenomena, PASC. It is probably the same etiology as we believe drives the lingering effects of EBV (mononucleosis) and borreliosis (Lyme disease). About all we know is that multiple systems are probably involved, and viral reservoirs may be involved.... I am not a Long Covid sufferer but I am very interested in this terrible mystery.

[@charlessmith7876]

I have seen EB also listed as a side effect of Vacccine.

[@antoniolittera2154]

It’s not really restricted to Omicron. At the height of pandemic Sweden had a surge of shingles in kids, which of course just is a reactivation of chicken pox. It’s just a case of the immune system being too occupied with a new infection to manage an old virus that really never went away. The EBV connection is also not new but very troublesome due to EBV’s close linkage to lymphoma.

[@sunshinesallday]

You're only talking about the tip of the iceberg.. there are many side effects and I'm not sure how it can even be called a SIDE - Effect when its a full blown disease that just happens to be woken up after the jab. LIES LIES LIES ... don't drink their kool aid

[@Grace-fb7jk]

@@charlessmith7876 You’ve seen EBV as a side effect to the vax. How so? Personally? Or anecdotally? Do you have a link to the data?

[@elizabethtaylor9910]

How could there possibly be enough data at this point to determine an answer. Also way too many variables.

[@Tommy_Boy.]

Another great video with very helpful information that really needs to get out to everyone that wants this mess to go away. Thank you all!

[@dsudikoff]

At 13:30 in your video you actually (inadvertently?) make the argument for NOT getting a 3rd booster while having just shown the graph of how 3rd booster has improved response to BA5 variant. You point out how the body naturally decides how much and which antibodies to produce because it maintains the blueprint for responding rapidly to a new viral attack. This argument then suggests a short term increase in antibodies after a 3rd booster is not that meaningful toward affecting longer-term immunity. Moreover, maybe we should not be fixating on antibodies but on B and T cells.

[@Medcram]

Yes and those b and T cells are formed from infection or vaccines. Repeated exposure to the immune system causes the immune system to keep those antibodies in higher numbers. See polio, hepatitis, and other vaccines.

[@dsudikoff]

@@Medcram True but this doesn't answer the question of whether a. continued stimulation of the immune system via boosters produces "more effective", longer lasting B and T cells, b. Is it necessary and c. does infection produce more effective B and T cells. And thank you for response and your online work over the last year's.

[@peterh5165]

Excellent video! Thank you so much for keeping us, the general public, up to date with the latest information: much appreciated!

[@jugglingjakeuk]

Nice one guys, I notice how careful you are with your advice...

[@flagmichael]

A real breath of fresh air among all the "I've got the answer and nobody else does" nonsense in social media.

[@mariespi96]

Thank you for “Show me the data!” And your thorough explanation to make it all make sense! God bless you and help you continue teaching us.

[@karendalsadik7119]

Of course you can and must compare! Vaccine effects wane quickly.

[@JohnQGuitar]

What about measuring spike antibody levels? That test is so readily available.!

[@ASMRPeople]

It seems they did not look at one of the most common booster, the actual virus. So I would be curious as to what level of neutralizing antibodies one has whom for example had two doses of an mRNA vaccine, but still got let's say delta.

[@Medcram]

Yes not in this study. They excluded those with positive tests.

[@slocumb1270]

That wouldn't sell more vaccines.

[@sunshinesallday]

Its not in this study or any study because it does not support the jab. Follow the money.

[@LulaMae21]

@@sunshinesallday Technically speaking, pharmaceutical companies will make more off of you if you're not vaccinated because of all the therapeutics hospitals use to keep your ignorant self alive. 🙄

[@jussayinnit]

None of these studies look at antibodies to non-spike proteins either... There could be VERY important antibodies induced from natural infection, which exposes the immune system to the FULL COMPLIMENT of viral proteins. But we are just going to interview an epidemiologist who tells us that ONLY SPIKE is "good enough" when we are "trying to be fast" with vaccine development... So we are just going to continue to completely ignore the potential impotance of antibodies to the ADDITIONAL 28 PROTEINS!!! And future mRNA debeloment will continue to be targetted ONLY to tje spike protein... Are we still "trying to go fast"? Haven't we had enough time to develop mRNA to the rest of the remaining 28 proteins? I mean, these were only in vitro tests... Surely there has been enough time to test additonal targets by now, right? This is all farcrical.

[@rpStan]

It's Not Sputnik 5 its Sputnik V referring to vaccine. You should know that dealing with Covid topic for so long

[@MarkShinnick]

Time for Ending this Reduction to the Ridiculous for all but those with CDC's comorbidities.

[@lehlah]

Can you talk about the damages caused by vaccines and the overall mortality rate being at the highest now or do you just want to promote vaccination?

[@Steve31000]

It's clear the immune system post vaccine and/or post infection is efficient at responding to infection and this is obviously very positive. I'd like to know though what is it then that is making long covid to be so prevalent if the immune system rapidly clears the body of infection. Is it from the damage caused by the infection? What separates this virus from other viruses who in most people do not cause such long lasting and varied damage? And also what do you make of the evidence of viral persistence causing long covid? None of us want to end up in the hospital but living with long covid, especially considering it's apparent prevalence, is shockingly overlooked.

[@polyrhythmnix9723]

I would love answers to these questions as well, or at least more attention paid towards these issues.

[@j.bosman2516]

@22:30 and on, lies and mis information, because the jabs does not prevent infection, as suggested. So one cannot protect his loved ones by taking the next vax. Actually your symptoms May be reduced to a level hiding youre infectionnes.

[@lamondhaughton1598]

What about ADE (antibody immune enhancement) and T Cell Exhaustion? 21:40 most significant line. If you had it and beat it just focus on making your immune system stronger or continue doing what you previously were your body was doing its job.

[@RussCR5187]

My question is this: If ADE is a factor for those who have been vaccinated, how does this in vitro study have relevance to what is actually happening in human bodies?

[@flagmichael]

ADE comes from antibodies being spoofed by previous infection to being attracted to now-unimportant regions of the pathogen. The SARS-CoV-2 vaccines should be less a problem with the focus on the spike proteins than infection with a previous strain. Dengue is notorious for this problem; it has never been reported in the COVID-19 vaccines.

[@lamondhaughton1598]

@@flagmichael thanks for answering my first question however what evidence do you have that this is not shown to happen with the vaccine. What other than data (mostly funded by these vaccine manufacturers) do you have to show that this isnt happening. According to sources like Geert Vanden Bosche and others the various types of covid are being created in this very fashion, where neutralizing antibodies are both creating pressure for the virus to become more transmisssble (why we have omnicron) and eventually more virulent strains. The doctor in this very video states that antibodies isnt the end all and that too much circulating in the body is bad , how does this account for the many vaccines they want the populace to take since efficacy goes down to almist nothing after 6 months. What will be the effects on a over stimulated immune system?.Do you know spike have been found in plasma up to six month from vaccinations? Have you seen the research papers on T Cell Exhaustion?.

[@selinaBARMAR2565]

Right.

[@gribbler1695]

There is no evidence of ADE with covid-19 vaccines, since we don't see COVID-19 being more severe in re-infected patients.

[@olivia8979]

Can you look into the studies related to ketones and interferon and t cell production. From my understanding, ketones as well as maintaining lower insulin levels help boost both.

[@jamesh6411]

This is intriguing especially since many in Ketosis also are combining fasting which also seems to enhance the immune response.

[@olivia8979]

@@jamesh6411 I definitely think it is intreaguing. And you can get into ketosis with low carb OR fasting OR a combination of both will give more ketones. I wish he would address it but a) they don't read comments and b) many doctors are hesitant to go near this topic.

[@chrisf1176]

Awesome video. Have you looked at any of the NONS studies for COVID prevention and / or treatment?

[@alfredopampanga9356]

Good information but lacks correlation with clinical outcome What do these titres mean?

[@RECOVER361]

Very helpful information, thanks!

[@jussayinnit]

So are all the antibody tests only for the spike protein? Surely natural infection also provides antibodies against the other components of the viron, yes? I would like to know if previously vaccinated subjects develop an antibody response to non-spike proteins of the viron. And if so, how does this antibody response compare to non-vaccinated subjects? It seems that antibodies to the non-spike compnents of the viron are being completely ignored. Is there a good reason for this???

[@jussayinnit]

Also how are the comoarisons in these studies considered valid when the days post event are so different between natural infection and vaccination?

[@checkeredflagfilms]

With each of the Vaccines jabs I've taken, I've had little to no side-effects. I'm curious to know if there has been a study conducted that compares side-effects with actual likely hood of becoming sick with the Virus? Other words, does one's side effect reaction or lack thereof have signal any indication as to whether you're more or less protected from getting the Virus? Thanks in advance.

[@magsstells9631]

Your lucky you had no reaction to the Vax. The booster knocked my heart out of Rythym. Now I have to take meds to control it. I got Covid 3 weeks ago and no issues. No more shots for me.

[@atfinthehouse8631]

Ok, so with the increase in neutralizing antibodies and additional vaccines is there / are there increases in adverse events?

[@girlgeniusnyc272]

My immunity = Vitamin D, NAC, and antibodies from a previous infection. I get plenty of sleep and do hot/cold showers. Thank you Dr Medcram and Team Medcram!

[@selinaBARMAR2565]

Sounds good. I agree strongly about those hot/cold showers. I've been hearing more about that. I have seen online how in Russia some seat a while in a sauna and then roll around in the snow. I think it's good for us!

[@girlgeniusnyc272]

@@selinaBARMAR2565 Dr Medcram talks about this in previous videos!

[@kevinochsner6155]

Doesn’t the presentation suggest that antibodies merging from mRNA vaccines are the most reliable prevention of severe disease? Due to mild infections, the ab response could be weak.

[@SandersonRin]

Who paid for this research and are they incentivized in any way to produce data favorable to vax companies? Only asking bc of all the screwary from the initial safety trials...Just sayin.

[@ginodc5944]

If (big if) a public health official just looks at numbers, is it not the same as if they are giving people the same consideration as say a rancher would give to cattle? I think the final decision should be left to the individual in consultation with their health provider (especially considering most are still considered experimental until the end of the year). Also, if we keep boosting, do we not run the risk of immune fatigue?

[@jollyandwaylo]

Any time anyone looks at populations by numbers, you could make the comparison to cattle. But you would only do that to make a political comment. Should we put a new highway? Look at the numbers just like if you are moving cattle. Makes no sense and there is no reason to make such a twisted metaphor. NO, you won't have immune fatigue. I will assume you mean T-cell fatigue and that only occurs in HIV or cancer where you are being attacked constantly. Your body kills off covid in a few days to weeks. You are reading/watching too many non-science information sources. You need to up your game with your sources.

[@ginodc5944]

@@jollyandwaylo A highway is not the same at all, unless they are forcing you to cross it on foot. When a policy forces a medical intervention (still technically experimental) regardless of individual situation, it should be serious cause for serious concern. Recommendations are fine, but the decision should be between you and doctor. As for sources, let's see if youtube even allows links. Here is one regarding Marco Cavaleri, the European Medicines Agency's head of vaccines strategy: "Cavaleri was likely referencing a concern that seeing antigens (like those provided by vaccines) over and over again can lead to T cell anergy or "exhaustion”, said Sarah Fortune, a professor at the Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health Department of Immunology and Infectious Diseases" dw : covid-do-multiple-boosters-exhaust-our-immune-response (might have to google it since links are not permitted).

[@jollyandwaylo]

@@ginodc5944 Yes, and if you had read those you would see what I said that it doesn't apply to covid but to HIV and some cancer treatments. By the way, who was forcing you to get vaccinated? Not the U.S. government.

[@ginodc5944]

@@jollyandwaylo I beg to differ. The concerns being raised by Cavaleri were directly in response to COVID booster shots and trying to decide on a policy for the EU. While technically it is not force, mandating that companies with more than 100 employees be fully vaccinated, might as well be for many people. I was at first thrilled at the news of vaccines, but did not like seeing the darker side of humanity come up to divide people even further. I just think even if you are in favor of vaccines, any time we give control to government or employers to our medical information and decisions, we should do so with the utmost caution and with a strict expiration. I felt how Japan acted was very commendable, asking businesses not to mandate, making sure patients are informed of the risks and benefits, and assuring that anyone experiencing side effects would be taken care of. That led to one of the highest vaccination rates because people were treated as competent individuals and trust in the authorities.

[@jollyandwaylo]

@@ginodc5944 I am in favor of people taking their own risks but when it comes to public health, we do sometimes need to limit choices. There are lots of limitations because of public health, how fast you can drive, burning things in your own yard in certain places, not polluting water sources, etc. I still disagree with your view of the statement from Caveleri. It doesn't apply to covid.

[@thubten2001]

When will this end? I am on 3 infections within a month and one-half. Why am I getting infected? I am on my 4th music festival. I had two doses and a booster of Moderna. How many times should I expect to get infected if I keep going to concerts? All infections have the same symptoms. Rhinitis and feeling cold sick. Later, some coughing and sinus congestion with slight yellow mucus. It takes a week and one half to feel 100%. Although, the last month I have never felt 100%.

[@kanib.7928]

Id love to learn more in detail about the new upcoming booster. About the rigour, about any types of tests, about the detailed changes and why those changes to the booster. Also, what if the study you presented today were revisted at the same time stamps as the original blood draw? I mean in some cases the draw was say 82 days after the event, but after the 3rd shot 14 days after. How about we compare it to 82 days after to see the neutralizing titers then? Do you think we have time to write the authors and request this?

[@Leester-70]

Just don't get it. Simple as.

[@suesmith9905]

When you talk about any benefits the vaccines have, you need to talk about the risks and side effects as well so people know the benefit to risk ration. We need tge whole truth. To leave tgat out is negligent and a lie. ( a lie of omission)

[@tfrazie]

Getting the shots and getting boosters of the shot does not prevent you from transmitting the illness to others according to the CDC and Fauci.

[@SalamanderDancer]

Nope, but getting vaccinated will reduce severe cases that result in hospitalization or death.

[@Dr-Tech-Travel]

Thank u for making this video and sharing this nice information. Every minute watched feels worth it.

[@stevec9470]

The data of 3 doses of the same vaccine should be included in the comparison with the 3 doses of combination vaccine. Otherwise it is inclusive to claim that the combination vaccine is better. Thank you.

[@jdenino6022]

This is the best video explaining on how the vaccines are working against BA4/5.

[@kiks0412]

Thank you so much doc

[@YannisH]

I've had alpha,Delta, omicron,ba 5 no vax I am fine. Also I am not a normal person. I don't drink, smoke,do drugs,or Rx. I eat whole foods vegan, exercise, take vitamins supplements and adaptgens.

[@nocompulsioninlove2148]

Is there a non vaccinatated control group?

[@nocompulsioninlove2148]

@@SusanKay- I meant in the studies referenced......

[@BeingMeRV]

Of course not. The drug companies do not want any proof that their vaccines don’t work.

[@rcmrcm3370]

Did you see that he mentioned people who got covid and who were not immunized

[@nephilimninjaofnibiru2907]

I am..... Doing great Thanks for asking. I also have no side effects from the experiment I didn't take part in.

[@johnsonpaul1914]

You're darn right there is. We are the ones not dropping over from unexplained heart attacks or sudden blood clots in the brain or lungs

[@saintearth]

This is a touchy topic for many. If you want relevant information that is censored on KZbin, there are other video formats that allow uncensored truth.

[@lisaa1134]

I would like to see more treatments like the Monoclonal Antibodies in which Michigan took away however it helped us immensely when it was available thankfully🤗

[@flagmichael]

Since they are monoclonal antibodies, they probably have quite reduced effectiveness against this rather heavily mutated strain.

[@chixbleau7321]

Most monoclonal therapies were no longer affective

[@suecanada2313]

OK I will wait for next vid re should i get orig booster=4th NOW then wait 5 months and get BA.5 booster= 5th I am so very thankful for you, Medcram + Prof Crotty cuz I am given ZERO guidance here in Alberta, healthcare system + ambulance short staffed = 12 + hour wait times, related deaths + partial ER closures 😞 Lunacy also re NO mask mandates

[@DouglasJFAndrews]

Thank you for this analysis. question… if our immune systems design is to have antibodies decline, why do we care about this data? you explain very well that one of the benefits of the vaccine is to create immune memory that can be recalled to produce the antibodies needed for later. If that’s true, then why do we need boosters at all? If our memory cells have the information they need even to fight BA.5 what’s the benefit of stimulating my immune system to produce antibodies that fight the original strain? Couldn’t this actually be problematic? My suspicion these days is that the answer may more about profit than actual immune health.

[@Medcram]

Studies show that generally three doses of the antigen is sufficient to have meaningful immunity. That is why traditionally the hepatitis vaccines require three doses. The memory of this immunity resides in the T ells which are actually quite robust that I’ve been shown to be in other studies. So the purpose of this was to show the magnitude of the response rather than the decline in antibodies overtime which should happen to some degree.

[@Chadlifter]

@@Medcram Ya'll are probably subsidized by big pharma. In literally any other virus a prior infection is more than enough to induce immunity, but only now that we had so many rich people invested in bigpharma it is necessary for everybody to get the vaccine.

[@rjbiker66]

Plenty of people in Australian hospitals with 2, 3 or 4 doses of the vaccine. So, why do they come up with a new flu vaccine yearly? Just boost with last year's etc.

[@elrusso8981]

There seems to be a clear fixation on geometric mean concentrations of antibody titres for monetary purposes.. While boosting indications for those vulnerable by age and comorbs is reasonable, indiscriminate boosting, especially amongst young, healthy demographics, seems inappropriate. The other major consideration is the CDCs own serology reports on previous population-wide exposure. Public Health Establishments continue to dismiss Naturally-Acquired Immunity when really, its another important element in mitigation. Great video! Very comprehensive as always! Thank you =)

[@stultuses]

Why the huge censorship on this channel? I'm posting certified data and it's being rejected...

[@Medcram]

Unfortunately if there is a link KZbin will not allow it. You’ll have to do it a different way.

[@Toastedfroggy]

I will be interested to see in a few years, the data on how these vaccines are interfering with the bodies natural ability to attack cancer cells. Will we see a large rise in cancer rates? We wouldn’t know as of yet, too early.

[@Medcram]

It could also be from COVID itself.

[@gilbertayala1069]

Good luck to you'll...!!

[@jlm4836]

Natural immunity may have a easy explanation. Buddy had long 3W Covid Nov 20, his wife short 3D. Both tested for antibodies at 6M. He had many, she had low #s. So she got Pfizer, he didn’t. He tested again at 1Y, many.

[@RosezanneMarcus]

I had covid Nov 2020, got my antibodies tested 1 year later. Still had antibodies. Natural immunity exists and works.

[@myriamm6377]

Excelent video!!

[@robertdole5391]

Do any of these “vaccines” actually prevent infection, symptoms and transmission?

[@BeingMeRV]

I just caught BA.5 from someone who was triple vacxed with prior infection who was asymptomatic but testing positive on PCR. So no, these vaccines do not prevent spread!

[@RECOVER361]

yes, these "vaccines" reduce (!) symptoms and this is shown e. g. by reduced hospitalizations

[@PipSqueekOG]

No

[@nephilimninjaofnibiru2907]

@@SusanKay- Thanks Susan but I don't want anything to do with these Frankenstein experiments until I see a long-term study. Not true science without it.

[@paskowitz]

They lessen the severity of symptoms. In fact they never "prevented" anything and were never advertised as such. It's not black and white.

[@adamaprimo9023]

I am bothered by the differing Ab titre measuring times between naturally acquired immunity and vaccine. For a proper comparison the titre should be measured at the same number of days post vaccination/natural infection. This is a very misleading data presentation by the researchers.