OMNIMAN DESTROYS EVERYTHING! | Invincible Newlyweds Reaction | Ep 1x8, “Where I Really Come From”

[@LettsReact]

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[@CheezburgerSub]

This community just throwing all the bad dads at Montana... Also debbie is the real hero of this show

[@Kayde101-b]

@@CheezburgerSub lol true

[@benwhite8863]

So when is Edgerunners getting added to the watch list?

[@p.anthony_xpert1013]

Consider Amphibia, Kipo, or Young Justice after Invincible Season 2.

[@jessetorres8738]

This finale makes me wonder how things would have turned out if Omni Man wasn't the only 1 of his people sent to Earth? Imagine if say 4 or 5 others came to Earth and had a 2 or 3 kids each, would all of those kids be like Mark or would some be alright with helping their parents conquer Earth?

[@DuongLoc-km8ok]

You gotta remember, Omni Man went through thousands of year of indoctrination by the Viltrumite. But 20+ years on Earth made him change his plan and decided to leave the planet, that alone shows you that he really cares about Debbie and Mark.

[@Agent-57]

Yep. He is lying to himself with the "pet" comparison and calling her life meaningless

[@kushkong1339]

Everything he was telling Mark was like he was secretly telling himself, and beating mark down was like beating himself. Thats way I see it now the more I've watched it +S2.

[@slippymclach1233]

@Asferprivate Comic Spoilers: Seemingly Earth and humans just have that affect on almost all the Viltrumites except their leader.

[@TheAngryXenite]

​@@slippymclach1233It's not even that humans didn't have that effect on Thragg. We don't know that he couldn't have had the same transformation, but the problem was that he refused to live among mankind like the others did. He believed that even breathing the same air as them was demeaning, so the idea of actually engaging with us as a civilization never came to him.

[@pasoking2483]

Was going to say this. People have a hard time undoing years or decades of indoctrination. Nolan was fighting thousands of years of it

[@soupman1]

the fact that Nolan was acting so odd after Mark told them he got his powers was because he was probably hoping Mark wouldn't get powers so he could wait to enslave earth until after Mark and Debbie died not having to hurt their feelings and see him like that.

[@lizd2943]

Or he was seeing if Mark was a potential accomplice or just another slave.

[@Anubisblack]

I think a bit of both.

[@fhdiasfb3611]

This what I think

[@joshiesushi]

That's pretty much how I interpreted it. If Mark lives for thousands of years he cannot possibly delay taking over Earth. So he simply just had no reason to wait any longer.

[@Anubisblack]

Yeah, he definitely wanted to see how much of a Viltrumite he was. That’s why he caved his chest in during their first training session. That’s why he let Battle Beast nearly beat him to death. He wanted to see if he was actually a Viltrumite. At the same time, he really wished he never got his powers. It sped up his timeline. He was enjoying the life he had and once Mark’s powers kicked in he had to act. I wonder what would’ve happened if he took his time. Tried to slowly indoctrinate him over a decade or two? One things for sure the only reason it turned out the way it did is because of Debbie. He accidentally let the boy be raised to become a good person.

[@DanGamingFan2406]

The fact that "Think, Mark!" and the rest of the finale have been memed to the point everyone knows the big twist, and people are still amazed by Nolan's character shows how truly impressive this writing is.

[@kushkong1339]

Haven't heard anyone speak on that. That's how I caught it. I knew what was coming. But I got a great suspense story still, and many great characters with side stories going on. Became one of my top 10 shows. all cus of a meme that I'm pretty sure had Squidward's head on Omni man 😂

[@johndinner4418]

What's the big twist you speak of? Episode 1 twist? The finale isn't really a twist, just the story progressing.

[@kieranthewolftiger]

@@johndinner4418 we don't know his reasons on episode one, he could be doing it for the greater good, but instead he was weaking the planet to conquer it. Even if from episode 1 you think he is the bad guy we don't know how much of a bad guy he is until this episode.

[@denkerbosu3551]

Nolan hard carries the story, Mark's just not interesting, especially when most of his problems aside of superhero ones, are related to Amber.

[@mrmouse9476]

​@denkerbosu3551 you're not gonna like the rest of the show if you think he's boring😂

[@josephdavis9234]

Episode 1: Omni Man trains Mark. Episode 8: Omni Man Marks train.

[@gramdalfthewhite]

Okay I actually love that lmao 😂

[@pr00009]

I LIKE IT. whoever doesnt lacks taste

[@00deuceza]

FunkFlex would flip out at these goddamn bars

[@ikeking6797]

God damn it

[@rickymoranjr9609]

the fight between Mark and his dad was way better than the comic book fight, plus seeing Nolan do more damage especially with the subway train was brutal

[@xiaolafy]

i felt this way with the omni-man verse guardians scene. in the comics i feel the shock was there but i didn’t really care for the guardians death. when watching the series i cared more for the guardians. i don’t know exactly how to explain

[@rickymoranjr9609]

@@xiaolafy same here, plus seeing Nolan actually kill the Guardians was way better than how he killed them in the comics by far. so bottom line, the Amazon Prime series of Invincible is better than the comics

[@davidc.]

​@rickymoranjr9609 I disagree. Or atleast not entirely. It cuts out a lot of dialog of them just chatting. Helps build the characters. The series being so short cut a lot of that out. For example, it built up robots relationship with Rex more.

[@rickymoranjr9609]

@@davidc. ok, you have a good point about that

[@Im_fries666]

I actually think the animation in the comics are better

[@Marta-uv4id]

Seeing Nolan do all of those gruesome things, squash people like bugs and completely annihilate Mark, makes it so much more impactful when Mark completely disarms him with just one sentence. Him saying that he'd always have his dad completely shifts something in Nolan, because now he *knows* he actually loves Mark enough to not be able to kill him, even though Mark is an active threat to the mission. It's the best scene of the season, in my opinion.

[@nugget3687]

It reminds me of a moment in episode one, where he punches mark and immediately regrets it, because with what we know that is probably how child viltrumites are trained, by beating them up until pain doesn't effect them. But he saw how it hurt him, and didn't do it again until he became a threat to his mission. It's the first real sign that earth, Debbie, and Mark, made him soft

[@Marta-uv4id]

Every voice actor brought their A game, but man did Steven Yeun and J.K. Simmons give an all-time performance. I get genuine chills just thinking of their deliveries, which brough the already great show to a whole new level, and made this episode by far the best of the season.

[@atpr3241]

It's always so funny seeing reactions to Nolan's gaslighting. "WHY DID YOU MAKE ME DO THIS!?". It's all about Nolan having to go against his instincts he's built up for hundreds of years but it's still a crazy thing to say aloud 😂

[@procrastinator99]

It doesn't get talked about very much, but I love what we can glean about Viltrumite culture based on how Nolan speaks, "...Your life has been soft and painless. You're a Viltrumite in blood only." Gives us a small but meaningful window into how Nolan specifically, and Viltrumites broadly, are raised: Violence and brutality.

[@DanGamingFan2406]

The fight between Nolan and Mark is just so good. The city and subway scenes are brutal. And they really gave everyone processing the truth about Omni-Man the weight it deserves.

[@nugget3687]

My favorite thing about this fight is that at its core, it's not about the punches, it's a fight of ideals, and in the end invincible lived up to his name, refusing to give in and won. He may have lost the physical fight, but in the fight of ideals he truly was invincible

[@dunringill1747]

To me, Nolan wanted a "mini vacation". He hoped he could wait it out until Debbie & Mark passed away from old age. Once Mark showed having powers, Nolan knew he could no longer wait for Mark to "age out". "Think, Mark!" - I think Omni-Man was trying to convince himself. Amber: "Looks like I wasn't the only person being lied to." Can the scriptwriters find any other way of making Amber's character sound like an insensitive narcissist? *Debbie the "Pet":* To give a perspective of time for Omni-Man: I could be remembering this wrong, but I think a clue dropped at one point when Omni-Man said "he remembered something from yesterday" and Debbie corrected him saying "that happened years ago". Maybe this was from the comics? When Omni-Man crushed Red Rush's head, it lasted less than a second but felt like hours of agony to Red Rush. Omni-Man has the opposite problem. According to Comic Vine, no Viltrumite is ever stated to pass the mark of 100,000 years old. To make calculations simple, let's equate 80,000 years Viltrimite life span and 80 years Human life span. Let's also assume Viltrumites feel time with the same ratio applied. Applying the ratio of a Vitrumite living to 80,000 years and a human living to 80 years. 80,000 yrs / 80 yrs = a factor of 1,000 Same factor ratio by human standards - 80 years / 1,000 = 0.08 year Since 1 year = 365 days 0.08 x 365 days = 29.2 days So 80 years to a Viltrumite feels approximately like 29.2 days to a human. Debbie was already an adult when Nolan met her. He spent 20 years on Earth = feeling like 7.3 days to a Viltrumite. The rest of Debbie's life would be approximately 40 years which feels like 14.6 more days for Nolan. It was Debbie's short lifespan that made her feel more like a "pet" to Nolan.

[@hi00118]

Even tho she didn’t get any official credit for it, it’s thanks to Debbie (in part) that the world wasn’t taken over by Viltrum. Not only did she raise Mark with the kind of will to not give up and not turn on his planet, she also softened Omni-man enough that Mark was able to convince him to betray his own people

[@reneehoenicke4765]

Debbie truly is one of the most remarkable humans on Earth, even without any kind of powers. She managed to be such an outstanding representation of mankind that Mark and Nolan both have reservations about conquering Earth.

[@hero4life15]

This is why i say the biggest heroes in the dc universe are john and martha kent for raising superman how they did. Earth couldve been obliterated if kal el landed with another family and raised differently

[@princesskaraplays905]

⁠@@hero4life15ultra man is the perfect example, kal el raised in NY is a crime boss, hell every “evil superman” story usually involves the lack of good parenting, i mean, homelander may have been an actual hero if he wasn’t treated like a lab experiment, red sun superman raised in the soviet union thought he was a hero but only because he’s brainwashed (well i guess raised from birth, so indoctrinated) with the corrupt ideals of the soviet union, i think injustice is one of the few (if not the only) evil supermen stories that he was still raised by martha & john kent, and his breaking point there is his wife and unborn child’s murder, so yeah hella understandable to start

[@blacky8987]

@@reneehoenicke4765 she is literally the reason why mankind is alive until this day in that universe she make the hero with the monster send to end human kind and not just that she turn the monster into a good monster

[@redviper6805]

Omni-man started off as a heartless, ruthless conqueror when he first came to Earth undercover. He never lost the ruthless part, but in the midst of those years he unwittingly gained a heart. And Nolan just didn’t realize how much he had changed until it was too late. He tried denying that he was a different person. Mark’s answer to 500 years hit Nolan harder than any punch that Mark or Immortal or anyone else has thrown at him.

[@rjai5003]

I’d like to point out how much Mark has grown. In episode 1, he was on the ground gasping for air after one punch from his dad, but here, he kept fighting until he physically couldn’t move anymore

[@SwordTune]

Of course. After all, he's...

[@denkerbosu3551]

@@SwordTune *blood splatters*

[@ron3557]

​@@SwordTune title card

[@jacksonpablodiasdeoliveira9215]

@@SwordTuneinvincible

[@simongosselin4300]

And here we finally get to see why Mark's name is perfect. Mark may not be literally Invincible, but his will is.

[@m.s.5370]

Not to be pedantic, but the phrasing here feels weird to me. He is still literally invincible, just not physically. The opposite of 'literally' is 'conceptually' or 'metaphorically', not 'mentally'. Yes, I am aware that I am a nerd and no, I do not plan on improving (You don't have to edit your comment for me or anything, I just like to point out things I notice :3).

[@johndinner4418]

@@m.s.5370 Mark is not literally invincible, he can die. His will is literally invincible.

[@m.s.5370]

@@johndinner4418 I said "he is still literally invincible, just not physically", which doesn't mean he can't die. It means he can't be forced to betray his values in any way, even if he is physically defeated

[@jackhilton4285]

​@@johndinner4418can he do? I watched all season 2 and still haven't saw any viltrumite actually dies

[@everburn]

​ @jackhilton4285 It was right in front of you. Omniman kills a couple of viltrumites in season 2

[@jerryvanim-botting482]

Another part of this reveal that gets me every time is that we spend the entire season just in awe of Omni-Man's seemingly limitless power and effectiveness, (seeing how easily he picks apart Mark in this fight, who in Cecils opinion was their ONLY chance at beating Omni-Man.) that finding out that he is merely a military officer following orders of those ABOVE him in a society based on strength really makes the Viltrum threat seem as incomprehensibly big and dangerous as Mark must feel it is.

[@everburn]

Omniman is one of their best though

[@Limpass610]

​@@everburn Maybe But a whole planet of them?

[@jerryvanim-botting482]

@@everburn Yeah, but we don't know any of that at the end of this season, which is kind of my point.

[@spacerz6551]

Nolan is probably the second strongest viltumite after thragg at this point.

[@jerryvanim-botting482]

@@spacerz6551 That's irrelevant (and also debatable) because it's completely unknown at this point in the show. I'm talking about the reveal of this episode.

[@Ryan_Bolton11]

For reference, nolan is probably around 5000 years old, and he only spent 20 years on earth.

[@JPooger]

5? I heard it was "only" like 2 thousand. Either way he old AF

[@Ryan_Bolton11]

@JPooger it's not very clear how old he is, but it's stated he's over 2000 years old, but a different viltrumite said that he hit his prime around 7k years, and we know nolan hasn't hit his prime yet. And with traveling to other dimensions with different time streams, it is almost impossible to know his exact age. So, like 3k-6k is probably correct

[@ionflorea2601]

If you put it like that then, when calculating, he spent just 4 months on earth ( in viltrumite perspective)

[@h3llboyyy407]

@@ionflorea2601 which is why him loving his mom like a pet is extremely realistic

[@blacky8987]

@@Ryan_Bolton11 he more than that so the 5000 could be posible

[@losdef1283]

I think Montana had the right comparison when she said with pets that they are only in our lives for a short time. Omni man loves Debbie but his culture taught him she is less then and he knows that no matter what Debbie will grow old and die.

[@Khay-77]

Nolan is a complicated character but his son's strength of will to survive his wrath to get through to him with that "You dad, I'd still have you." just wrecked his world.

[@angelb33ts]

The last moment between Mark and his Dad is absolutely gorgeous beautiful scrumptious storytelling

[@AeroWraith901]

Nolan said some wiiild stuff in denial of being happy on Earth. Also the subway part is absolutely diabolical.

[@TheMadhatter1313]

Hard to believe that Omni-man is still holding back on Mark because that's his son and he's trying to get him to join his cause. Imagine if he wasn't and someone he never knew

[@JediMasterRevenantMADNESS]

Don't have to imagine, we've seen what he's like not holding back. Just look at The Immortal and the rest of the og Guardians.

[@spacerz6551]

@@JediMasterRevenantMADNESSI mean just look at what he did to the 3 viltrumites on thraxa

[@ben-san9677]

-Tenzin- Nolan may have just become an even more powerful -airbender- Viltrumite by abandoning his family and flying off into space: "Let go your earthly tether. Enter the void. Empty, and become wind."

[@Agent-57]

Had Mark never gotten his powers he would have just waited for his family to pass away by age and then conquer the planet But since Mark got his powers, he can't wait for Debbie as Mark would be a full blown adult and he would have spent so much time as a hero that telling him to turn against earth then would be impossible (which well it is now too). But the fact that 20 years changed him enough to abandon post (something he will definitely get punished for consider they killed half there population for being weak) is very much a miracle. He is thousands of years old so this would the equivalent of someone going against their country for a 2 month long relationship. So despite the "pet" comparison, he doesn't actually see Debbie that way but is just denying his feelings. Nolan killing all those people may seem horrible to us but as Black Adam said "When you crush an ant beneath your foot, do feel remorse? No. Is this because you are evil or because you recognize yourself as a higher form of life?"

[@alaynapetty6102]

Viltrumite dna take over the human dna as mark gets older, so he didn’t need a mother from viltrum anyways. That’s why marks already 99% Viltrumite

[@fireblast133]

hybrid's still retain some traits from their other heritage. Usually only ones that deal with brain composition or chemistry. There's a theory that's why Mark can get a boost from extreme stress or emotions. The theory is that Viltrumites lost the ability to produce Adrenaline naturally long ago. Mark, having a human mother, is a Viltrumite in body, but he retains the makeup of a human brain, meaning he can produce Adrenaline.

[@alaynapetty6102]

@@fireblast133 yeah!! I just meant in terms of why Omni man didn’t need to have a child with another Viltrumite, and fortunately (or unfortunately for him) as you explained, why Mark gets that extra power boost from his human emotions.

[@AdamVladimirKross]

​@@fireblast133Point of Fact, your Adrenal Glands that produce Adrenaline are located on top of your Kidneys. Some can be produced by the brain, but the lion's share is made by your Adrenal Glands.

[@fireblast133]

@@AdamVladimirKross yeah, but even that bit made by the brain, could make a huge difference

[@LibbyisMid]

@@AdamVladimirKross Production yes, release no. The brain is responsible for 90% of chemical responses in the body, or something like that. If the brain is no longer able to respond to stressors, the adrenal glands have no reason to release adrenaline.

[@josephcook2247]

I love that Nolan has an alien mindset and values. In his mind it's strength that makes you a person and when Mark gained his powers is when he became a person. He thought Mark would join him because it's just common sense to from Nolan's perspective.

[@fireblast133]

episode 1: Nolan trains Mark episode 8: Nolan Trains Mark oh, 14:54 That's the little girl Mark waves to in the plane. Her father, crushed by debris in front of her, was the one Titan was holding over the edge of a building before giving him another two weeks to cough up the money.

[@lastfirst5863]

Well Titan did say he’d paint the sidewalk. Wonder if it was two days later.

[@bluegirl278]

Ahhhh I’m so excited to see this reaction! I’ve been dying to watch you guys react to this episode

[@hudsonstudio7943]

I think one of reasons to say all those horrible stuff was to convince himself that he does right thing

[@jeremyrivera7079]

I think mark was fairly receptive to Omni-Man's proposal until he called Debbie a pet

[@acereporter73]

Yep... disrespected Moms... fights on!

[@awekeningbro1207]

Omni man isn't wrong on that remark though, Debbie IS indeed like a pet to him, because pets usually lives through a small portion of your lifetime. He's just talking the bitter truth.

[@josephdavis9234]

@@awekeningbro1207 I ain't going to have a kid with my turtle.

[@michaelhenry3234]

@@josephdavis9234 Your pet turtle doesn't have sexual characteristics that match your own species'.

[@johnwalker1058]

There's even memes where . . . [WARNING: SEASON 2 SPOILERS] . . . . . . some of the other alternate universe versions of Mark were convinced to join Nolan in the Viltrumite cause to take over Earth simply because Nolan did everything else the same, but just didn't call Debbie a pet and that was enough to sway Mark.

[@eberlautaroherrera]

We need the "A flip was switched" shirt and mug.

[@goonanhate101]

There is a great Superman quote, and I’m probably paraphrasing here, but he is talking to his wife about what it’s like to be Clark Kent day to day. “I live in a world of cardboard. Even as Superman, I’ve never taken the opportunity to truly let loose 100%, for fear of the cities we would lose if I did” That city scene is a pure manifestation of what he was referring to. How little effort it takes for Nolan to turn his son‘s body into a weapon of mass destruction. Horrifying. Then to realize how careful Nolan (despite having these sadistic tendencies) has had to be with every person, object, heck the ground that he’s standing on, which is all technically made of “inferior“ materials compared to the cells of his own living body. It’s wild.

[@gunnerdobbins3129]

I think a sad detail that some people miss is that Nolan was disappointed that Mark had powers because it shows that he can’t put off the mission anymore. It’s not logical but a small part of Nolan probably wanted Mark to be human so he could just wait till him and Debbie die of natural causes to Starr because he loves them

[@ricardobianchi2004]

You also have to take into account that not only is he thousands of years old at this point but he processes things almost as fast as red rush (the flash) so he’s lived so many lifetimes longer than how a human experiences time. It’s like feeling bad for a butterfly that lives for 2 days. When he says “I can always start again make another kid” to him it’s like having an abortion for a human marks been alive for 2 seconds in Nolan’s perspective

[@TheMadhatter1313]

Seeing Mark with his chin busted open missing his front teeth took me back to when Negan met Glenn in the Walking Dead

[@valentinkambushev4968]

If only we knew back then that the guy who killed the previous fan favorite would become the new fan favorite, while still being a post-apocalyptic tyrant.

[@roggerspider6964]

Same

[@mpfrierson91]

This season finale is going to be equivalent to getting to the very top of the roller coaster…and then coming straight down and going through sharp twists and turns, loop de loops, and then by the end of it you’ll be both emotionally exhausted and exhilarated and wanting more when you watch the next season!

[@NickG409]

Amber making it about her the sec she sees mark will never not be funny.

[@everburn]

Yeah😂

[@draykohunter6805]

Won't lie I always skip that scene during reactions😅

[@noahschultz9031]

This episode cemented Invincible into being the most violent TV show that I’ve ever seen. It gives Fist of the North Star, The Walking Dead, and even friggin Attack on Titan and Mortal Kombat a run for their money in some instances.

[@magne7771]

Kinda funny Berserk isn't on that list

[@LibbyisMid]

@@magne7771 Not much competes with Berserk. That series is playing a different, far more advanced sport than anything we've seen from Invincible (yet)

[@noahschultz9031]

I’ve heard of Berserk, but I’ve never seen it

[@andrewholcombe4565]

I think that the carnage in this episode was meant to do two things: first and most obviously it was Omniman trying to break Mark's spirit and turn him. But second, I think it was Omniman trying to convince himself. Omniman's rants were a sermon given to himself just as much as it was to Mark. I think Omniman was genuinely conflicted and all this carnage was him over compensating to prove to himself that he saw human beings as nothing more than insects. That he is a Viltrumite and this planet was nothing to him. That Mark and his mother were just means to an end and nothing more. But Mark saw through that, kept calling him out on it, and Omnimans responded with massacre and brutality to counter Mark's words. In the end, Mark's spirit and words won out but not before a pile of corpses had been left in their wake.

[@seandonnellan5980]

It seems Montana and I had similar Dad experiences when she talks about Omni-Man and Endeavor’s abuse onto their kids. You’re a lovely person, Montana, and you didn’t deserve how your dad treated you :)

[@LibbyisMid]

I'm right there with ya'll. Nobody deserves it.

[@Stylz.]

I love that you brought up that Nolan never broke Mark’s spirit, because the reason he’s called Invincible isn’t because of his strength or endurance, but because of how he never lets anything brake his spirit Well…iykyk😉🤞

[@Maswartz226]

I always feel like Omni Man ALMOST had him at first, like he was seeing the good that could come. But the moment he made the "Pet" comment he lost him.

[@jakobnunez4964]

Reminds me of ego telling peter that he put a tumor in his mother.

[@punkypony5165]

"So even though he's only half viltrumite he's most of the way anyway" THANK YOU! So many reactors think mark is genetically half human despite what Omni-Man says here. In reality Mark is 99.99% Viltrumite and will become 100% Viltrumite over time.

[@magne7771]

It's amazing how, after this episode, _everyone_ is just, so _proud_ of Mark. For good reason.

[@aarrgghh]

debbie's the real hero of the season. she infected omniman with just enough human empathy to prevent an alpha-level sociopathic ultra-villain from fulfilling his primary mission and murdering his own son in the process.

[@TRKPurgatos]

Thank you guys now I'll cry again tommorow

[@jordenh450]

I love how you guys have a discussion in between while letting us as the audience know it’s for copyright.

[@themexyeti]

25:45 the whole point of the series and comic story is understanding that this wasn't "emotional weakness" but an emotional realization and acceptance, the idea of showing your emotions is a sign of weakness is completely fucked up, we lost Anakin because of that people

[@Darkside7137x]

That little flip phone convo y’all had at around 45:00 was hilarious that’s how I know y’all really In love for real😂 and great reactions seriously I can tell you guys care

[@Darkside7137x]

Earned my sub for sure

[@SebasTian58323]

Ooh, sure Amber. Now you've both been lied to. What Mark just went through is totally equivalent to what you felt when Mark was keeping his identity a secret. I totally get wanting to be there for someone who just went through something awful, but that was not the way to do that Amber...

[@aarongarcia5037]

So unbelievably sick of Amber

[@Teib_21]

Did you guys notice, how some of the civilian's passed over in episodes came back, such as the girl in the plane was the same girl who was in the apartment and Mark held her mother's hand.

[@darryljack6612]

Wild tangent, but there's a PBS kids cartoon called "Word Girl". And in that show a fight so damn similar to this one happens. The similarity is so crazy that when you watch a side by side video of the two it's uncanny.

[@seanwilliams7655]

Really? My older daughter used to watch that show. Do you know what episode?

[@darryljack6612]

@@seanwilliams7655 I don't know the exact episode but you can check the fight up on KZbin. Just look up Wordgirl Omniman fight and the thumbnail will be a side by side.

[@IanMcWhirt]

I didn't realize this but Monster Girl kind of has immortality, as long as she isn't killed by someone. She can take a break from transforming, age up, and then go back to it, aging back into a kid.

[@josh.00000]

I think we might need a Montana Trauma Counter at this point.

[@royalrosepetal]

Look at this fight as Nolan talking to himself just as much as Mark and its really sad

[@wishmaster82]

Omniman was waiting for Debbie and Mark to die of old age before conquering the planet, but when Mark got his power that option was out of the table (even when it was always out of the table, even if Mark never got his powers, Omniman would still love his grandchildren once he got them and so on)

[@fimlviaquez3936]

I love how you added the internal conflict counter, because they are all indeed placed on purpose, and even though they are really important, not all of the viewers notice them

[@JerkyD]

Good reaction as usual. I especially like 10:39. It's not something I thought about before, but in retrospect, it helps explain what Angstrom says about Nolan & Mark in 2x1 ;)

[@toasttitan3253]

It was this episode that made me realize it’s not the alien part of him that makes him invincible

[@himothy_halamet]

Viltrumites are literally labelled as relentless. They also have an indomitable spirit. The alien part certainly plays a role

[@MTG_Scribe]

My absolute favorite thing about Season one is that in the end, the person who actually stopped Nolen was Debbie.

[@affansiddiqui4218]

Your editing is so good. The best reaction video editing I have every seen to be honest

[@GerblerM]

9:13 Excellent analysis. Most people (myself included) are so shocked by the pet comment and it's connotations of subservience and submission that they miss what Omniman was really feeling in that moment

[@thetwelfthdoctor9892]

Fun fact ( well, not so much) Some of the victims of Omniman in this episode are actually recurring characters. Some of them are the people Mark or the Guardians saved in previous episodes.

[@ryanakers1372]

Not even Attack on Titan can prepare you for Mark's "training."

[@thedragonskull1065]

I feel like Nolan calling Debbie a pet is more akin to seeing her as far from equal to him. A lot of pet owners in real life love their pets as much as they’d love a parent or sibling, but they can’t be viewed as equal to them because they can’t talk or do the things humans can do. Debbie isn’t a Viltrumite so she isn’t an equal to Nolan but Mark is. That’s what I believe because at the end of the day he does love his wife just not in the same way he loves his son

[@turinturambar6492]

If this empire thing gives universal healthcare, I'm in.

[@critica77y77]

You don't want the Viltrumite healthcare plan, trust me.

[@messingmusic_and_animation]

Y'all should've done a bonus reaction to DPS's raps "Sins of the Father" and "Omni Man". He made those raps based on this episode and they rip your heart out even more when you listen to them

[@ashyunderscorealt95]

Something important that not many seem to bring up, is the specific reason he mentions "Pet" for Debbie. He most likely didn't mean it in a "she's insignificant" way, but in a "I love her, but I'll vastly outlive her" one, which to an extent show he really was trying to rationalize with Mark, but chose the worst, most inhuman possible words to use as an alien lmfao

[@jakubgodyn7413]

I feel like most of the stuff he said was not really for Mark. He knew that he would not convert Martk with one speech after 17 years of raising him as a human. I think he was trying to convince himself since life on Earth made him question what Vuturme was teaching him and he probably felt that he was broken because he started to feel like a human.

[@paigeh7892]

That’s definitely part of it, but the speech and his actions over all were meant to break mark. He tells mark of the good of the empire. And tries to convince him nothing will really have to change, he’ll be a hero. And tells him the harsh truth of the differences between him and regular human. And he’s been trying to drive that wedge in between mark and humanity for months. So he has a reason to think it will work, even if it’s more of a Hail Mary since he got exposed early.

[@HaydrogenBomb]

Yeeaahh, I feel like Montana's gonna be about as forgiving with Omni-Man as she is with Endeavor. 😬

[@souvikghosh5768]

**Omni man can kill mark within 1-2 mint Omni-man wait to see whether Mark has any power or not .. Because if he doesn't possess any power...then Nolan can wait for another may be 70-80 year for debby & Mark to die peacefully and naturally and then he can actually start taking over earth.... **Nolan is a viltrimite not a human...his time in earth is like 1-2 hour of us meeting a stranger and forget sort of thing .....his empathy towards lower creatures would be different like ours towards Chicken, cows , Goat etc .

[@stardmg]

It can be a little confusing, but Black Samson was putting on act there to test the team's loyalty and trust to each other. At the beginning, nobody liked Rex let alone would have defended him in that situation, which is why when they did, he was satisfied.

[@khellou563]

The next season has some moments I found where the budget felt conserved but definitely not althroughout. i personally believe they're saving it for season 3.

[@siphosethumbaba7559]

They saved most of the budget for exactly season 3, because if you've read the comics the events that followed after the season 2 finale are insane. It's craziness all around and Kirkman said every episode next season is going to feel like a season finale on it's own, that alone makes it clear that the reason S2 animation lacked was the budget they needed for next season.

[@dawahprince5391]

nolan was origanally planning to wait until mark and debbie died from their natural human lifespan before he carried out his mission, he didnt actually want them to witness any of this. but because mark got his powers that was outta the question, mark would live for too long and nolan decided he might as well do the mission now. he truly cared bout mark and debbie because he was willing to continue his plan after they passed away. this is why he didnt want mark to get his powers because it would complicate things.

[@treagoplays]

45:15 i love this because usually its montana who stumbles over her words and kenny who digs in, but i think this is the first time i get to see montana do it to him

[@austinbrandt9127]

Something I don’t think many people put together is that Omniman waited to kill the guardians until Mark got his powers because he could just wait for Debbie and Mark to die before conquering earth. But since Mark got his powers, he knew that he was going to live just as long as Omniman.

[@mutanthybrid3466]

One thing to remember, (as you touched on) we have "pets" too from species we "enslaved" that live much shorter lives than ourselves. Nolan has to look at it that way so he does not suffer emotionally from loss every few of his own "seconds" of life. Think of what a sobbing mess you would be every time one of your cats died if you thought of them as more than just pets. (Yes, we all get attached to pets and call them family, but in reality, do you truly think of them that way as strongly as you would one of your own family members?) What the Viltrumites are doing is the same thing that has already been going on with Earth for centuries against each other anyways. Can we blame them for being more human than we thought they were? That is just taking it from devil's advocate point of view... of course, everyone is going to fight for their own survival despite other species and their goals and often at the expense of one another. Nolan saying that humanity is insignificant is him trying to justify his actions, mostly to himself, due to his duties to the Viltrumite Empire. That means there is a civilization of beings like Nolan out there.. He is not doing it alone. If he was alone, do you think he would have continued with conquering Earth?

[@TheDaringPastry1313]

After seeing this episode, that line where Omniman said, "Earth isn’t yours to conquer” to those aliens when he went through the portal has deeper meaning now :)

[@JSkitt]

Considering how much Omni-Man steamrolls everything he faces, its impressive the Immortal lasted as long as he did.

[@AfroBoyOdyssey]

I think you guys have to understand for Omniman, humans are like how we treat bugs on this planet. You don't think twice when walking on the street even though you more than likely kill hundreds of bugs just by walking. He has lived for so long and has been a conqueror for so long our short lives are like dust in the wind for him. He's jaded and time has stripped away his humanity especially with how his people traverse the world. They are Saiyan's.

[@dagonofthedepths]

If you look at Nolan's reactions throughout this whole thing, he's actively trying to both justify his actions to himself and crush all his emotions under a mask of anger. Just about every scene were he gets mad there is a hint of him being sad or questioning himself. Great animation and writing.

[@SleepySlann]

A lot of people see Omniman as a Superman allegory, but this finale put the finale is the final proof that Invincible was the true Superman expy all along.

[@thewandering01]

The thing about Nolan's time on Earth is that the 20 years or so he spent here was like the 3 week vacation you spend in a tropical paradise with a different, more relaxed culture. And while you're there, you think that maybe you'll change your life, how you think, how you live... until you get back home and then suddenly it's back to work, to bills, to your old culture, and you find yourself going back into old routines, old patterns, old ways of thinking. Mark getting his powers was the like the "back to life, back to reality" moment for Nolan. And worse, the culture and routines he was going back into are hardcore fascist/social darwinist culture and beliefs. And he has a conflict between those cultures and beliefs he grew up in and the more fulfilling culture where he was "on vacation".

[@soflyedits322]

@9:16 - justifying the pet analogy in that way makes so much sense and it still really hurts 🤣

[@subparpt]

Not to underplay what Omniman does here because it's obviously so in the wrong it isn't debatable - but this is kinda a fun argument. Everyday people in real life are so unbelievably rigid in their beliefs, regardless of how crazy they may seem. That's only after AT MOST a few years or decades of living/thinking the way they do. Imagine blowing that up onto a cosmic scale - turning it into thousands and thousands of years the same beliefs. Without even taking their warrior culture/individual personality into account, putting time into perspective is probably a good argument for why it's so difficult for Nolan, or Viltrumites in general, to understand why humans value the small meaningful moments we do. If we lived for thousands of years, each individual moment would be a much smaller percentage in our lives - like comparing an hour to month or whatever the ratio may be. They likely just carry less weight than they do for us, given the lifespan is much much shorter so we try to make the most of each of them. It's honestly surprising Earth had ANY impact on Nolan at all given how relatively small a time span 17 years is for him.

[@JustAMagicDuck]

The thing about Omni-Man is that he’s not actually a psychopath. He does care and want to do good but he has thousands of years of Viltrumite propaganda telling him that some people literally don’t matter. He can justify slaughtering millions of humans if the end result is a planet of peace and prosperity. I don’t think having a family was part of the plan and it caused him to unlearn some of his conditioning. It’s why he didn’t kill the guardians sooner, because if Mark wasn’t a Viltrumite then he would just be conquered and he didn’t want that to happen to his son. Presumably he could have just outlived Mark and started his conquest later. But since Mark has powers he has to move ahead with the plan. And he has to try to get his son on board. It’s why he says early on that he wished Mark never got powers. He could have just kept living like a superhero for a couple more decades before killing all his friends and maybe his kid too.

[@Regless0000]

A good example is when Omni commented on something that happened 20 years ago as if it were yesterday in one of the earlier episodes. Even if he liked something, that is very different from getting invested in it. Spending a lifetime with someone feels like a few hours for Omniman. But he took Debbie's advice from the baseball game. Started to live in the moment. I think that's when he started lowering his guard and developing attachments.

[@zucchi6148]

Technically, if Mark never got his powers, Nolan anf his family woul've had a normal and great life together, and Nolan would've waited until they died of old age to taje over the planet. And the reason he never got with another viltrumite, is because since they killed off a large percentage of their race, they're all technically slightly related, so they took to breeding with other races.

[@davidokorie7349]

I love this fight because Omni man is trying to go back to his thousands of years of teachings. Everything he says to Mark is actually him talking to himself. Trying to convince himself this planet isn’t worth fighting for. Pretending to love your family for almost 20 years would’ve been impossible if it wasn’t the slightest bit real. This is obviously hurting him. He’s just very trained to be brutal and desensitized to violence. But every now and then you can see his mask break a bit.

[@gregorydorfman8829]

It’s important to note that Nolan is 1000s of years old. And he has spent every single one of those years fully indoctrinated in the viltrumite empire. He never had the chance to learn anything different. And yet, after only 20+ years on earth, he changed his mind and deserted the empire. For humans, that would be the equivalent of man raised by the KKK and spending his entire life with them until the age of 50, but then befriending a black guy and reforming within just 1 week. How much of a good heart he’d have to inherently have to change that quickly is incredible.

[@losdef1283]

It may be possible due to the fact humans and Viltrumite look so much alike. That it may be the first time a Viltrumite was able to have a baby with an alien species 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@jacoblofthus7908]

Nolan has bought into the idea his whole life that Viltrumites are superior to other beings and that therefor what they do to other planets is justified. But since arriving to Earth, he's had new new thoughts and feelings that he doesn't want to admit are true, because that would mean this whole time he was fighting for the wrong side.

[@Royal_Chief_Architect]

I just want everyone to remember at all times as the series progresses, Debbie saw all of this. She saw him use her son as a weapon, and terrorize Chicago. Murdering 1000’s. Comic book Debbie will never get peace from me for this reason.

[@antonyouten5447]

Nolan had a flashback which destroyed his convictions and flooded him with doubt. Hence his second attempt to justify it by asking mark what he would have. Marks reaponse destroyed everything else that wasnt love.

[@ZessDevon]

45:07 It melts my heart that Montana's first instinct is to try to justify that statement instead of immediately clowning Kenny for it 45:24 There are limits though

[@DanielOrtiz-hv9qw]

"It's like he's swatting a bug." Exactly. Nolan thinks of us just like we think of flies or roaches.

[@josuevargas1952]

omg the first frame of "hello and welcome back" is sooo wholesome with the 3 cats on screen

[@suvrojit2004]

Omni man showed a little humanity coz of only 20+ yrs relationship with Mark and Debbie over his past who knows how many 1000s of yrs of training, preparation to be a viltrumite warrior shows that Omni man really cared about Debbie and Mark

[@Cosmic_Dub]

Fun fact: Nolan let the guardians beat him up because he needed it to look like he almost got murdered !