OMNIS-DUO Review. The battery powered all-in-one (The end Of Pioneer DJ?)

[@ruk2023--]

I'm trying to figure out why they would want to erase the most recognised brand name in DJ equipment.

[@speedygeoff9595]

It does happen. I'm old enough to still think the most recognized brand in DJ equipment is Technics 🙂

[@ruk2023--]

I don't understand your point. Technics became virtually unknown because they didn't move into the digital DJ market. Pioneer DJ are still the number one product brand used in every single DJ booth in clubs and festivals. It cost them millions upon millions in marketing and advertising to achieve that status. Why throw away that brand cachet and ability to price accordingly on a product line nobody has heard of unless you're told it's owned by the company that owns Pioneer DJ?@@speedygeoff9595​

[@JKOEN]

They acquired PioneerDJ 10 years ago and everyone says the licensing to the name ran out so now they had to change the name

[@simonconquest]

Because of people referring to their DJ equipment as Pioneer and not PioneerDJ. Pioneer is a completely different company.

[@ruk2023--]

Yeah it is but I own a Pioneer AV receiver and the logo still looks the same as my Pioneer DJ decks. @@simonconquest

[@tlaf4367]

The price is absolutely RIDICULOUS!!!

[@djk2290]

Yes! I'll wait till $500

[@ScrottyMcBigMac]

With the features it’s got it’s worth like 700 max

[@alidonis4053]

​@@ScrottyMcBigMacEven the ddj 400 had more features! i'm only buying that one IF it reaches 600. I'm not spending any more. (acounting the ddj 400 needs a fairly good pc to work)

[@TheFjmtb]

Can someone explain why this is worth 50% more than the numark mixstream pro? Which doesn’t have Bluetooth but does have full streaming

[@bigdaz7272]

I would say the stand out feature of this unit is thats its even more overpriced than _almost_ all of Pioneers other stuff 💪

[@chemeister]

*AlphaTheta 🙄

[@dam55ian]

facts

[@PremiumUserUltra]

Lol

[@JESS-E_official]

So far I am quite dissapointed. Let me start with saying it's great to see that AT/Pioneer DJ are trying to move forward to streaming, wireless, party/bluetooth song request kind of modes for those house parties or jam sessions on the go. But there are a lot of major oversights for me, and things that Denon/Numark already do better at a better price point. Moving away from physical buttons and having to take more steps to get where you are on the machine whilst in the mix is something I have experienced on a variety of Denon gear, up to the SC6000 even which is brilliant. Pioneer or AT (this will age like X/twitter...) always has had its strong suit on having the same physical button layout, everything from memory cue and loop to hot cue / play cue buttons and mixer controls are all the same on the whole scala of their products, this was a major strong point. Any DJ with experience on pioneer gear is able to play a set with 0 set up time regardless of what the venue is set up with, this seems to fade away with this product and assumably more so in the future. I strongly wonder about responsiveness of the buttons and the interface, the waveforms seem cramped and tiny on the screen as they're surrounded by the on screen buttons. The bluetooth song record and manipulation is a cool idea, but I wonder how much use it will get and how it will sound on some pa speakers. Personally I am missing the following buttons: Slip/Quantize, Master Tempo, second bank of cue button levels for beat loop and effects, Color FX selector, the brilliant FX section, headphones cue buttons, track search, physical browse and playlist buttons. No jog wheel lights is a shame but I can understand with battery power and size, but it is an iconic touch that is gone on this unit. Then one gripe I really cannot get over with, even for house parties and on the go: Where is the second usb A slot? It probably won't also work with a tiny usb hub or will it? How do you swap dj's now that are not on SD cards. And there is no major streaming service integration so you can't really hop on to one of those, play a track and swap usb. I guess as a hardcore Pioneer fanboy it is time to invest in the last holy grail setup and watch that age like fine Technics wine. Any thoughts of others or Crossfade themselves?

[@FMHOfficialMusic]

Couldn´t agree more. Huge blunder from AlphaTheta in my opinion to deviate from the established layout. Luckily we got the FLX-4/FLX-10 controllers before they made the shift. They will be around for quite some time.

[@s.o.shumanbeing7909]

To mutch digital

[@Tokent555]

I purchased my XDJ-XZ 3 years ago and unless it goes totally dead I don’t think I will change, its got EVERY feature, input and output a DJ would need, so this new bluetooth gimmick while having only a half ass controller makes 0 sense to pick up. Even the bedroom djs would be better off with a DDJ-400…. Useless product

[@impulex4952]

@@Tokent555 even the older CDJs are better than this crap. imo peak was CDJ2000NXS2 / XZ, everything after that isnt worth it. If i was a beginner and someone told me "bluetooth connectivity" i wouldnt even know what to do!

[@Tokent555]

@@impulex4952 My only problem with that setup is that before the XZ even 1 Nxs2 was much more expensive than the XZ itself. The club where I learned most of my stuff had 2 2000nxs2 and a 900nx2 mixer, there was no way I could afford anything like that to practice at home, but then thankfully the XZ came out and it was my first normal setup after the DDJ-RB

[@Maurin67]

Looks a bit like something you would get out of a happy meal

[@samirait-kaci-gf3bn]

😂😂 so fucking true

[@sidekicksjn]

Build quality looks appalling for the price.

[@Maurin67]

@@sidekicksjn can’t judge that from a distance really, but it just doesn’t look like professional dj gear. It looks like a ddj-flx4 with built in monitor, for the price of pro dj equipment.

[@BlueHawk80]

ok fanboy @@sidekicksjn

[@EI_Greko]

Definitely looks like my flx4​@@Maurin67

[@djmegaG]

$1500 tho.. just to mention you can get Rane One or a pair of xdj 700 or a pair of 1200 mk2's for that price.

[@dam55ian]

not only that for that price u can get a setup of xdj700 and a batterypack to do just what this is supposed to do but better or a secondhands macbook/laptoptablet and a controller

[@hardkore360]

​@@stadium999"accessible" is a very broad word that could apply to any other stand alone controller.

[@TranceCore3]

You'd probably still need a mixer for the two XDJs, no one needs two heavy ass media players that can't be mixed. And for people just getting into the hobby, you should be including the cost of the mixer, if the unit doesn't come with one already.

[@jono8588]

​@@stadium999I'd actually say with the lack of so many buttons and the reliance on a tiny overcrowded screen that it's actually not very accessible at all! 😑

[@leightonblake6907]

I'm still in shock that this £400 controller is £1000 over price

[@BlueHawk80]

1600€ lmao, ridiculous

[@bigdaz7272]

Pioneer Tax my friend, they always add 40-50% on top of the actual value of there stuff before they sell it LOL

[@groovindj]

Tell me please, where can you get a standalone DJ media player (it's not just a controller) for £400?

[@nickonnights]

@@groovindj Numark Mixstream Pro £553 released 2021 and battery version Numark Mixstream Pro Go £666 released 2023 both units use Engine as an OS and have more features on launch than this lazy addition to Pioneers hardware catalogue.

[@jaykumarr1]

It's actually 1500 dollars 😂 way too high

[@DJCesarAlas]

I will keep my Denon Prime Go, thank you.

[@djlenzo8683]

Same!!

[@hardkore360]

I've added an Innofader crossfader on mine and it's TOP-NOTCH!

[@astralyd]

If you already have that you obviously dont need this one 😂

[@ParrotZeka]

Same brother

[@bynkro]

I'll wait for the version with vertical EQ knobs ..

[@biffinbome]

I hate how a lot of the physical buttons have been turned into touch screen actions. Not the future I want.

[@roumadeit]

maybe they wanted to give an advanced or premium feel to it like the pro cdjs

[@dhaimovich1]

💯 takes the soul out of DJing

[@wachimol]

Yeah if a button goes out there's always the possibility of opening it up and changing out the part. your touchscreen breaks you've got a 1500 dollar paperweight

[@biffinbome]

@@wachimol this is a very good point

[@rosscollier7120]

I think It makes since to have digital buttons for things you don't need to touch as often while playing and you can set it how you prefer but some of the things (like the sync button) I feel should be physical imo

[@vladmak229]

Just one question: why?

[@grizeldiSLO]

What's up with the whole "lets move as many buttons as possible to the touchscreen" concept? Seems like a complete antithesis of the concept of a DJ controller, if I didn't want physical buttons, I'd be DJing without a controller directly on a laptop/phone. Especially at that price.

[@brianweingartner619]

eventually it will be all screen, but like 5 times as thick as an iPad

[@paniejakubie]

Probably because it's cheaper to make one screen than multiple various knobs and their entire electronics. I can't imagine trying to figure out the menu in this thing to do stuff that would take one knob though.

[@jono8588]

​Cheaper? Nothing about the huge price of this controller has anything to do with cheaper! 😂

[@DomiVox]

It seriously looks like a Fisher Price toy... I can't believe this is actually happening... I think the world has gone bonkers.

[@robertschnobert9090]

I kind of like the look. Minimal. The price and user interface don't convince me though. It's a start I guess. 🌈

[@djdommenjay]

Since 2020 the world has gone absolute shit

[@roumadeit]

and they say another thing like the 2020 stuff is comming 🥴 @@djdommenjay

[@paulmichael415]

I’ve learned from enough new products that I’ll have to wait to hear from friends before spending 1400$ on this. I already got a prime go and while it isn’t perfect. It was truly innovative when it came out and it’s helped me tons over the years

[@AndreiMoro]

Haha. I'll stick to my Prime Go, thank you very much. 3 years later is one of the best things I've ever played on (especially for its size).

[@OsseusChicago]

I'll stick to my Numark Mixstream Pro. I can also mix on CDJs and Pioneer's all in ones fine at this point. I just need something to practice and home and make sure tracks sound good together. The fact that there's no streaming is also a big letdown. I am considering upgrading to a used RX2 or SC Live 4 down the line for almost this exact price range. it's a shame this couldn't have been sub 1k for newer djs.

[@glenmontpiankhi]

I use the flx4 for practice or something to take in a backpack. A lot cheaper

[@Turbo_TechnoLogic]

Nice toy :D A pricey one too! Looked promising at the beginning but this is just too few for too much

[@jesseopjescherm]

I love the look, the size and almost everything about this unit. BUT.. Twice the price of a Mixstream Go with less features and an extra monthly subscription.. come on Pioneer. Give use something disruptive like the DDJ-1000 again. The only reason would be the existing rekordbox support which is using a different file format as well.. At this price point it’s very hard to consider.

[@BlueHawk80]

the look is the worst part

[@sprizzo1963]

We still have my Pioneer ddj400, laptop and jbl extreme 3. ... working spontaneus wonders in the Vondelpark Amsterdam

[@giorgiobarattini9980]

Me during the review: 😄 Me when the price came up: 💀

[@internetshaquille]

The influence Teenage Engineering has had on music hardware is still being felt

[@DJCesarAlas]

Bluetooth?! WOW! So innovative... for 2010, maybe. 😂😂😂

[@Olppa]

And it doesn't even have low latency codecs

[@christbel4965]

You seem to don't know what you talking. YES It a great option and no other Btands have this option on is StandAlone unit

[@DJ_BeatBlasterz]

@@christbel4965 The funny thing is that in reality everyone knows that all Denon/Numark units with wifi already have a built-in bluetooth chip since the 2017 sc5000. It's just not enabled in EngineOS yet.

[@bloepje]

Bluetooth integration is wild. So you can actually hook up a pc, microphone or anything that uses bluetooth, live generate whatever you want (like someone at wedding having said something), and loop that on that system. It's not about a song on your phone, but it is about spamming the "I do" at that wedding party just before the beat drops.

[@BlueHawk80]

nothing "wild" about that, and it also comes to Denon/Numark, dont worry.

[@DJWenlowe]

Thanks very much to Jamie for another excellent product review. I remember watching you nearly 4 years ago reviewing Denon DJ's excellent little Prime Go and therein lies the problem, they've blatantly copied the Prime Go from 4 years ago but produced a product that doesn't do as much as the Prime Go ( bar the Bluetooth ) and yet this will probably cost a fortune compared to that. Denon DJ must be rolling on the floor laughing right now 😂

[@inkeyst]

Denon prime 4+ is a bit more expensive, but loaded with the features. If I would throw a party in the wild I would just use a mobile powerbank like Ecoflow, so I can play all night long. And sound systems usually run from the quiet generator like the red Honda series. Can't get the idea of this device. By the way, while the interface looks sleek, absence of the physical controls for effects and players makes this also less intuitive.

[@studioviper3016]

I honestly thought this was gonna cost £600. It doesnt look premium or pro, at all.

[@cassiusjb]

I’m glad they finally put an internal clock in. 👍

[@filipkernc2189]

love the size and the looks with xlr outputs and mic inputs. But price killed it all. otherwise i would think about getting it. if you connect computer with rekordbox, arent you able to use tidal with this then?

[@kereamohau]

You can see are they are going after the Denon DJ market here. It wouldn't surprise me if they have a "Prime 4" type unit in the works.

[@hardkore360]

At 3x the cost 😂😂😂

[@Xdot15]

I mean the opus quad already exists 😂 $4.5k

[@CezarHernandez]

It looks like my DDJ-1000 will have to wait a bit longer for its retirement.... Maybe my preferences are too old-fashioned.

[@djdontgetcooked]

I used to have a DDJ-1000 and I sold it and since then I had SC6000M, x1850, rx3, x1mk3 but I still miss the DDJ-1000 every single day

[@TheBassMaster56]

I have an FLX 10 and it's a fantastic controller.

[@sazwell]

Fortunately the FLX-10 seems to retain the old style of design unlike the FLX-4/6

[@astralyd]

the ddj-1000 is a perfectly fine controller, I just bought one, what do you mean..?

[@TheBassMaster56]

@@astralyd FLX 10 is a "new version" of the 1000

[@tjsongman]

Perhaps it was enabled in an update after this video, but you can stream! A local Sacramento, CA. DJ shop demoed streaming Spotify to this controller via Bluetooth. The controller caches up to 10 minutes of audio and you can manipulate the track just like an mp3 (scratch/add effects/loop/etc). Crazy!

[@TheDjUvis]

Looks nice how about record live music instrument is it possible to?

[@ChromaCat]

Been waiting for such a unit, I like the color design and the connectivity options BUT - Price tag wtf? The screen is so pixelated low resolution, the thick black bezels wtf? The Effects control also is very bad. Next release please..

[@nicolazanata]

Well, it’s actually the first product I see that has been able to overcome Spotify limitations using the clever Bluetooth playback feature. It’s like streaming (which is not possibile due to the agreements between Spotify and artists). This is huge!

[@patrush4632]

Thanks for the review. Where and how do you access your samples on this?

[@davidline2454]

Great detailed review. Just don’t understand why this needs to exist, or why they seem to be using the lacklustre prime series of controllers as a benchmark to beat

[@irishpaddy555]

‘Lack lustre’ thats funny..💩😆

[@lost_resident]

Looks Ideal for outdoor sets and streams and has some unique features but the price is wild! Thought it was going to be under 600 euro for sure till I got to the end of the video.

[@christbel4965]

No Streaming Services for now ! like (Tidal, BeatSource etc). It will come in soon, with some update ❤❤

[@DEBOASSE]

They clearly don't want to associate legacy and established club products released under the former Pioneer Dj brand with Alpha Theta. This product release coming out at the same time a rebranding is going on shows a new direction from now on. IMO they want to put ore focus on everyday DJs and content creators.

[@Nexus--9]

OR, they dont want people to be able to say "look pioneer copied denon!" as it's basically an overpriced denon go

[@gd_xl]

love that direction but not everyday DJ friendly in any way with that 1500 price tag

[@DEBOASSE]

@@gd_xl I know right? The product is cool but no $1500 cool

[@OfficialMosik]

Great review and honestly I completely agree! Especially with why not already have it automatically connected to streaming services…like that’s huge

[@DartsandHipHop]

Is serato dj pro gonna be standalone? I only want this to run without a laptop

[@hardkore360]

The UI looks very "Android" like, I guess I've taken the Engine DJ UI for granted all these years with their continuous updates and clean layout 😮

[@karaoke6861]

Thanks! Is there a stems feature aboard trhis please ?

[@bigdaz7272]

Very much doubt that, they didn't even put Stems on the 3 Grand Opus Quad LOL

[@BlueHawk80]

no, there isn't.

[@karaoke6861]

@@bigdaz7272 Already outdated so

[@mattfillmore9849]

So do you have to buy their speaker to get that adapter to make Bluetooth latency free?

[@djhaze7219]

Looks like it

[@mattfillmore9849]

@@djhaze7219 they could have easily built that in too

[@robertschnobert9090]

The AlphaTheta speaker does not use Bluetooth for low latency audio transmission. You have to connect your DJ controller to an auxiliary box using RCA. That box then transmits the audio to the speaker wirelessly and with a low latency, but the auxiliary box and the speaker do not use Bluetooth for the connection. They use a proprietary method.

[@albertgecco6814]

Omnis invented Denon Prime go. Bravo Pioneer Corporation burns))))

[@Dj205]

No streaming services??

[@GrahamWinder1]

Sold.... perfect for plug in bar gigs!

[@vegaf2011]

So what I’m getting is this is the first device of its kind? Or does another controller stand tall against this controller I keep seeing they are missing sound effect knobs

[@billmaries]

Is the tempo fader the same size as the flx4 ?

[@CabaretDescartes]

Pioneer DJ's interfaces were bright and looked similar on most of their products so you could get familiar on a professional setup if you practiced on a DDJ-400, but the monotone look of the OMNIS-DUO makes me worried about what they might do with their next CDJs

[@francisgraham7168]

Do you think they can just do a software update to allow streaming services down the road? Debating on buying this for boat parties ..beaches etc etc

[@graemestewart7205]

With no streaming unless you never use another product there are cheaper alternatives that do more!

[@arioheshmatzadeh7880]

Technically you can still "stream" through Rekordbox but I hear you, still need a laptop connected for streaming.

[@mduduzidesmond8523]

ddj 400 for me still rock

[@Vortex001_MLG]

approved by SUAT?

[@kaketaylor]

Numark Mixstream pro Go has Bluetooth output as well with built-in speakers! What are you talking about?

[@aswinwu]

So, you can play and mixing with spotify again to your deck with a bluetooth?

[@petercohen4715]

My biggest gripe is why only one USB slot? Especially at parties, other people want to jump on, and everyone goes B2B these days.

[@djkoyot74]

how much is??

[@ceekay_nz]

Is there any standalone stems support?

[@jaja87]

I think this is the case of a company trying to tell us what we need rather than asking us what we want. I don’t think it’s going to work.

[@DJ_BeatBlasterz]

The Pioneer / Alphatheta mentality at the moment is a bit "Tell us what you want/expect and let us explain why you don't need it while paying 60% more than the competition who have everything you want".

[@kreature6618]

They seen people are stupid these days and will buy any old crap, look at the gaming industry and movies

[@IamSincere1212]

9:30 speaking of streaming services who has the best techno library?

[@robertschnobert9090]

Beatport 🌈

[@IamSincere1212]

@@stadium999 Ty

[@IamSincere1212]

@@robertschnobert9090 Ty

[@bonebrew22]

On the streaming issue, I would imagine the licensing and legal effort would be immense, because you have to work out deals with each streamer, who then have to update their user agreements to include licensing the music for public performance, which is technically illegal still.

[@JackBrooks-on8ph]

Is it just a simple plug and play with USBs or do you need to put them through rekordbox

[@D.j.Tricks]

Alpha theta ❤

[@Alexgs945]

Can you do manual loop? ( loop in, loop out)

[@BrokenBeat7]

what is the usecase?

[@Thedivinevision.19]

Hey it might sound stupid but i really wanna know do I still have to go through rekordbox in my laptop to export tracks or i can prepare it on the unit

[@djhemirukahemisphere8893]

what software ia the device streaming ? eg when someone requests song ... where is the device taking the audio ?

[@oppiliff5116]

is the top cover of the console made of plastic or metal? (except for the jogs)

[@couturesounds]

Excellent video, as always. BIG BUT: Whoa, did the thing allowes to record audio from spotify and play it in parties where a DJ charges money for that? I bet a big sue is comming to Alphatheta if that's the case.

[@Bayenke]

How do you put a master channel on the Omnis Duo, for example if one channel, the right one, is at 100 bpm, how do you put the left channel as master since I don't see a button for it?

[@Nogi-aka-DJNugz]

I thought it was a fail that the effect trigger for the channel is on the screen vs a button

[@andyjack1974]

How does this compare to the Denon prime go 2?

[@thedjslav]

An unreliable and absolutely unnecessary piece of crap equipment? Thank you for your review and breaking it down for us ❤❤

[@neelgijam9043]

..................Does we can play with recharging player .........

[@renzopeijs4441]

can the screen go up?

[@bloepje]

My first question would be: is this alphatheta's first linux system? Or is this still a specialized OS?

[@cs0ng0r]

2:47 Serato Dj Lite?

[@djpaceeuro]

Great review! This unit is quite expensive, plus it’s lacking streaming capabilities and there’s no level meters. I’m just wondering how does the song analysis thing works? Is it onboard? Can we use Rekordbox and export tracks to some USB drive?

[@groovindj]

Yes it does have level meters. It's those coloured lights between the EQs. 🤣

[@gwashington8556]

Not sure if I missed how about Stems ?

[@eupel1]

So the adapter that plugs in for latency free dj’ing that’s gotta be radio frequency right?

[@LinkageAX]

I would be worried about how the BT performs in a room full of people with BT and other wireless features going all over the place with laptops and phones and etc everywhere causing interference

[@LinkageAX]

For reference, my Pioneer BT headphones cut out when a car drives past

[@djk2290]

I wait on this one.

[@NicolayGiraldo]

The "strange" Bluetooth functionality seems quite obvious to me: You can stream from Spotify with Bluetooth, and there's no other legal way to stream from this service, as they don't allow it. Spotify forbids any DJ software from streaming their songs. Other services could remove their access at any point, and it would not surprise me if Tidal for example removes streaming to DJ software in the future. There's no way any of these services can remove Bluetooth access, so this feature is future-proof.

[@hardkore360]

I don't see this workaround as being a very popular method for playing music anytime in the future. Streaming will eventually be baked into all these units and someone will make a lot of money when finally implemented to perfection.

[@JadeEyeland]

@@hardkore360 its not because technology isnt there you used to be able to DJ with spotify its licensing and issues between the companies/rights holders

[@marciocleiton.delima]

I see "REC", can you record your mix?

[@samlast]

Will the mainstream products like the cdjs still be pioneer branded

[@shc_hardcore]

Hopefully !!!

[@djpurherfik9239]

Can u play songs through apps on ur phone ie Tidal, Spotify, Apple Music, Mixcloud, SoundCloud, KZbin, Amazon music, etc?

[@RyuOnline]

Not having any streaming services seems a huge oversight.

[@b4yonce]

So no laptop needed? I wanna learn

[@djkeithjust]

The biggest reason is the licensing deals that they will have to contend with when it comes to adding streaming services to access to these devices! It doesn’t start and stop with Tidal, SoundCloud or us the customer. I can only imagine how much these services want for access (or even the labels).

[@Opethjunky613]

I'd be happy if they ditched the streaming service in exchange for lighting control or something useful. Streaming services are whack anyway. Owning your own music is the way to go.

[@afill471]

Its basically the FLX series just rebranded, but id much more be interested if they bring out a 4-deck version of it with the buttons that switch between decks. The standalone feature at this price range and wireless feature of this is reasonable imo.

[@Dynemics]

The omission of music streaming on this product is quite strange.

[@UberNephew]

I dont see a button to toggle cue the master output in the headphones, but theres a cue/master level knob so i guess it's possible, but how do you toggle it?

[@deanwattersreilly7011]

looks like something from argos back in the day

[@undergroundmafiaterryjames6281]

How long does the battery last.

[@oralmiller9145]

Inmusic group now would be a great opportunity to drop a numark ns6iii, something about the size of the ns7ii without spinning jogs, lighter, and just a few upgrades and you'll be the newest leader in this Dj equipment biz!!!!!

[@goopy303]

Ended the video after "Bluetooth Output" 🤣

[@DJ_Halo]

What the difference with ddj flx4 pioneer??

[@morzie4075]

just before i carry on with the video, the bluetooth idea is smart but is the latency near 100% accurate because it was either the ddj 200 or 400 or both had bluetooth for we dj and the latency between using the mixer and sound output was annoying.

[@bynkro]

@2:15 "Yes, this is basically a Denon DJ GoPro, but the EQ knobs are actually vertical, designed for human beings" I was really hoping that Denon would fix that glaring issue, but looks like Pioneer beat them to it anyway.