On Cloudeclipse

The Cloudeclipse looks like a double tall, max cushion version of the successful Cloudsurfer. And in many ways, it is just that. But there’s more to the On Cloudeclipse than meets the eye. And it’s more versatile than it looks.
0:00 intro
0:33 Disclosures
0:52 Specs
5:14 What’s it like
7:03 Pairs with
9:12 Buying guide and competition
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[@TheYondaime008]

ON biggest challenge is reasonable pricing.

[@karlbadde7435]

It’s not a challenge, that is their market positioning It’s exactly where they want to be

[@HaiLeQuang]

Their shoes are great. But they are not competing with Decathlon. So reasonable price & dura bility are not from On shoes

[@kofuzi]

I agree with @karlbadde7435 Sometimes you price to attract. Other times a brand can price to deter

[@iGo0gIe]

Yeah better options for $180

[@barryjohnlcs9829]

You're right. I can find other better options at this price. Unless I'm obsessed with this shoes.

[@LFKY13]

Had this shoe for about a month now and the word that comes to my mind is smooth. The ride is very very smooth. It's also On's softest shoe to date. The initial step in doesn't feel much different than the monster but on the run you can feel way more cushion in that forefoot area in the eclipse. It also seems to get softer and softer after every run (weight: 160 lbs). I've been enjoying it a lot. Great review as always from one Mike to the other.

[@kofuzi]

Thanks for the one month update!

[@davidbraswell1481]

would you say it is as soft as the cloudsurfer?? I loved the surfer and was hoping they would make it in a max cushion version.

[@LFKY13]

@@davidbraswell1481 it's not as unstable and flexible due to the shank plate but it is as soft I would say.

[@davidbraswell1481]

TYVM @@LFKY13

[@SherryOram72]

I bought a pair yesterday and gave them a 10 km test run that evening. Everything you said in this video is what I was thinking while running in them. I was so pleasantly surprised. I did go half a size down to 6.5. I think I could if went to a 6 but I did have a good run in them. Other than that I’m really looking forward to putting them in my rotation. Cheers 🤗🇨🇦

[@kofuzi]

Thanks for the update!

[@aslliesablan5848]

Hi are this shoes true to size?

[@plantbased7486]

Love the slo motion clips in such great quality. I can really see what happens to the clouds on foot strike and follow through. my foot strike is pretty much identical to yours so i found this very helpful. Im thinking that i will just get the Superblast though. I know you try and stay as objective as possible but your love for the Superblast is palpable and I respect your opinion. I will getting a pair soon…….. maybe Black Friday sale? One can only hope.

[@kofuzi]

Hope you enjoy!

[@Anatoly_Tsvetkov]

Omg, I was waiting for your review to decide about purchasing them 🤣

[@kofuzi]

Hope I was helpful!

[@onikari8]

Thanks for the review ! I wonder about the durability of this shoe. My Nimbus (paid 140€) already have 1000 km on them and are still in good condition.

[@wmgonzalbo]

Please do Cloudeclipse vs Cloudmonster comparison. More power to your channel Kofuzi! 👍

[@kofuzi]

Probably won’t do that comparo. Basically, they’re both max cushion shoes. One has the old clouds. The other has the new ones.

[@cocopoco2006]

I love Oncloud, my bloudrunner is too cute!

[@kofuzi]

glad to hear you're enjoying them!

[@maxgreenlawncarellc3678]

I decided to get the ONs shoes. I usually wear the ultra boosts for 5 plus year and Pegasus. So far I love them! I purchased the surfer and it’s so good. I now own the surfer, monster, and eclipse. Out of all 3, I like the surfer but, I just purchased the eclipse today and probably need more time on it. The monster is little more stiffer than the other 2. Glad to try different brand for now

[@kofuzi]

Glad to hear your enjoying your shoes!

[@bryanttorres297]

thankyou for the info..

[@kofuzi]

thanks for watching!

[@joelmead]

Exciting to see ON being competitive in the running shoe game. Unfortunately I think they will always be beaten by better value options like puma

[@rbaude27]

I don't think they're really trying to be a "best bang for the buck" brand though. They just want to be the "premium" option.

[@kalvin.]

@@rbaude27the problem is that they’re not really even that “premium” in that the performance, material quality, nor durability are above their peers. More of a market position or marketing focus, which I guess does work with their “Swiss engineering” tagline they’ve promoted.

[@bobcog0001]

ON running shoes are kinda equivalent to Luxury super cars like the bentley continental GT, they are very fast but are priced way higher than cars just as fast but are made of more premium materials.

[@Gabriel-nq3pd]

I loved the cloud surfer but hated the squeaking that occurred not even a month after having them. What do you recommend that is a similar feel?

[@TalZKazaz]

Great channel! I’m wondering if this shoe can be good for everyday walking do it all shoe? Or they better for specifically running. Thanks

[@emanuelchee1691]

can't wait for the 100 miles update, I wanna grab one for myself, but afraid the performance/excitement will drop after 100 miles.

[@nicholas5396]

My biggest concern is the longevity of the foam to keeps its reaction or return. Seeing the cutouts leaving almost like thin pillars of foam in between. Itll be interesting to see how they feel afte 200 miles or so. Intersting shoe though.

[@247Performance]

Great all your reviews. What are the cons and pros to compare with the nova blast 4. Is it the eclipse more stable, faster, forward rolling. More 5-15 k shoe and also suitable for heel striker? And eclipse against the mach 6? Thanks mate

[@Khristofu]

Love your videos Kofuzi. Not sure how many miles/kms you put on these but was there any "squeek" in these? I had the surfers and after about 50km they started squeeking. Actually returned these 3 times for a new pair an eventually switched to the monsters which ive had no problems with(maybe because the foam holes collapse less). Luckily i work opposite the ON flagship store in London so easy to do. Customer service is very good.

[@xzzdm]

My cloudsurfer squeeks like crazy after a few months too. Hope the cloudeclipse solved this problem and still maintain similar level of softness in the sole.

[@mosytube]

Thanks. How do the 3 max cushion shoes mentioned here compare to the Gel Nimbus 25 or 26?

[@heyitscarloc]

I was surprised how much I enjoyed the firm yet max cushion midsole coupled with the rocker. It's max cushion but this feels like a do-it-all shoe with a bias towards the long run.

[@kofuzi]

that a good summary

[@OlieSimpson]

I'm looking for some advice on building out a proper shoe rotation, and this seems to be the place to be! Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated! Easy / Recovery / Zone 2 Runs - 5:00-6:00 min per KM pace - 1 to 2 hour runs Currently have the ASICS Gel Nimbus 25 which seem okay for this purpose but would like recommendations for a soft/max cushion shoe to cover the easy, plodding along miles. Must have a very durable outsole as I do roughly 200km per month for this type of run so don't want to be replacing it all the time. Tempo / Interval / Threshold / Hill Repeats - Non-plated Currently use the Puma Nitro Velocity 2 for this but will need to be replaced soon as they have over 700km's on them. Looking for a light, responsive, good energy return, non-plated shoe for the faster runs, again with a durable outsole if possible. Tempo / Interval / Threshold / Hill Repeats - Plated As above but with a plate to help get closer to simulating race-day pace - not an all-out race shoe so there's still a bit of time to gain (probably through a placebo effect) on race-day. Long-run - 25km+ inc. Half Marathon (4:00 min per KM) / Marathon Efforts (4:45 min per KM) Something comfortable for the longer distance training runs that inc. HM/M race-day efforts. Again, a durable outsole would be nice here due to the distance the shoe will be covering. Potentially plated to provide some additional support and energy but not an all-out race shoe 5km / 10km / HM Race Currently using the Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 2 and love it for these distances. Any other recommendations? Marathon / 50km Ultra Race Really like the sound of the Adidas Adizero Adios Pro 3 for this category, but any other recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!

[@CannabisTechLife]

Seems On has a limitation with their cloud tech on where to put the speed board. Great review as always!

[@kofuzi]

I’d rather they just got rid of it altogether unless it’s carbon in a race shoe

[@elliotendures]

This is one of my most anticipated reviews of the last few months. I JUST got the new 1080 and have been wondering if I should have waited for these. Could you share some differences/preferences? Also, if you don't mind touching on it, how's the outsole as rainy season approaches? That's something I don't love about the Superblast and this shoe looks like it may do well.

[@kofuzi]

there is significant pace overlap between the two, but they approach it very differently the 1080 is more nimble and eager to pick up the pace. it's snappy. the cloud eclipse is much more stable and better at recovery paces. it's cushioned.

[@elliotendures]

Appreciate the response,@@kofuzi!

[@thecaptainchas2820]

With how you are using and comparing the CloudEclipse to other premium bois, I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Tracksmith Eliot. Seems like they would have a similar use and also be dope high-end on-the-town shoes.

[@kofuzi]

sometimes I don't mention a potential competitor because it's a KZbin video and I only want to list one or two options. other times, I don't mention a potential competitor because it's not comparable. the Tracksmith Eliot Runner is not comparable at all.

[@Maochan81]

I'm not so sure about them after the 1st run. Bought them to rotate with the Mach 5's which i absolutely love. The upper on this is super comfy and I had a great lockdown. Even though they're not super light, they didn't feel heavy or clunky like the Mach X. They definitely push you a bit forward, don't feel like a slow run shoe. What i'm torn about is the feel of the midsole. It has a lot of stack, but i feel the pods just collapse and it doesn't feel plush. Also the speed board on the bottom is just weird. It should have been deeper under the foam. You can feel every little rock if you step on it. I'll probably return them and get some cheap Clifton 9's for the easy miles. The standard price here in Europe is 190 but got them on black friday sale for 150. Still on the expensive side, i don't think it's worth it. I think On is getting closer to a proper running shoe, but the might need to create a 2 layer system with a softer foam layer on top and could pods on the bottom.

[@kofuzi]

Have you tried the cloud surfer? Pretty sure that would address each and every one of your issues

[@tjhinallfreed]

Make sense 👍

[@tgarcia615]

3rd From The Philippines🇵🇭

[@kofuzi]

I read this as: “Third!” - from the phillipines

[@Yuttho]

I really wanted to like this shoe. I loved the feel, the lockdown and tongue are very nice. But my ankle bones kept rubbing against the side and the pain gradually gets worse on long runs. I loved the shoe but just the ankle rubbing was a big turn off and returned it.

[@kofuzi]

What did you get instead?

[@Yuttho]

@@kofuzi o nothing yet. Saving money lol. Though I would like to try the prime x 2 again. I got it when it first came out and did 40 miles in them but they just never had that magic that the first version had so I sold it. But maybe I got a defective one??? So that’s why I would like to revisit it again. It’s much more stable than the first version and a beautiful shoe but I thought that maybe because it used two layers of plates than energy rods made it too firm and not “poppy” like the first.

[@t1g3r8]

How does it stack up against ASICS gel nimbus 25?

[@jmvale]

Can I use this for weightlifting?

[@nicolas31141]

Hello, this one feels like a nova blast 3 or 4? I like a plush / fast feel for any distance but, right now I'm in between the eclipse, the nova or the superblast? And this is true to size? Thanks.

[@kofuzi]

I would probably not choose the cloud eclipse, based on what you described

[@dominikschrott7412]

Missing those minimalist raceflats from the ol' days if I see this. Where did the ground contact feel go to?

[@kofuzi]

New Balance SC Pacer Saucony Sinister Adidas Adios 8 Asics Hyperspeed Asics Magicspeed 3 Topo Cyclone 2 Altra Escalante Racer

[@singhmandip4396]

Hi can you wear cloud eclipse for just walking alone l won’t be running or jogging just walking got epilepsy extremely high blood pressure So be just walking trying to keep fit

[@CatherineSui-Miller]

I just received the Asics Superblast but haven't tried it on yet. I currently use the ON Go for easy runs but find it isn't cushy enough. I would like to add the ON Eclipse to my weekday practice/ training run.

[@kofuzi]

hope you enjoy!

[@CatherineSui-Miller]

Turned out the Asics Superblast isn't for me. Too clunky and firm for my taste. The ON Cloud Eclipse is fantastic. The most stable high stack shoes which resembles the NIKE Vaporfly Next%3 without carbon for under $200. Total thumbs up!@@kofuzi

[@colinmcc8564]

I think if someone really only had to use 2 pairs of shoe, or could only take 2 travelling and this is one of theirs.. I would always pair a max cushion shoe with a more minimal and firmer shoe, builds character and makes you appreciate the cushioning when you use it. Probably good for injury prevention too, but I'm just a stranger on the internet.

[@kofuzi]

I’m good on character. Life has given me plenty of character. Give me the cushy shoes

[@colinmcc8564]

@@kofuzi to steel man the argument for cushy shoes, if building an aerobic base is key and if cushioned shoes help people run longer, then by all means. Great video as always

[@tenzingyangzom3168]

Been wanting to buy these as these are closest to the On Cloud Monsters. But need to know if they are waterproof

[@kofuzi]

no

[@tomc0240]

I have two pairs of Cloudsurfer 7 and they both have broken down to the point that they squeak horribly, especially my orange pair. I am planning to get a pair of the Cloudeclipse but if they squeak like the Cloudsurfers do I will be depressed

[@xzzdm]

Exact same concerns here. I hate the squeaking sound on my Cloudsurfers.

[@babibakar]

Sorry, just a silly question. If we use illegal shoes to race on wmm, do we still get cleared as finisher?

[@kofuzi]

Yes

[@babibakar]

@@kofuzi thanks kofuzi!

[@CookingEngineer]

"pushing it into the max" .... that sounds familiar -> KSWISS TUBES!!!! :-D

[@kofuzi]

is that how they advertised KSwiss Tubes? I'm not familiar with them

[@laalaa99stl]

You strain credibility a bit when you suggest $300 shoes (PXS and EE) vs a $180 shoe. Otherwise excellent review as always. I've mostly relegated all my max cushion shoes (Invincibles, Bondi, Nimbuses, Triumphs, More V4) to daily walkers since they're all too heavy and clunky. They take all the fun out of running. All that said, the Cloudsurfer 7 is one of my favorite shoes of this year. I love the fast and firm Helion foam though I wonder how much better it could be if On were ever to get serious and use supercritical nitrogen-injected foams. It also has one of the most generous toe boxes of any shoe in my collection. Maybe that's also true of this Cloudeclipse?

[@laalaa99stl]

I also think On's uppers are overbuilt. I'd love the upper of an Adios 8 grafted onto a Cloudsurfer 7.

[@kofuzi]

I try to make it as clear as possible that some shoes are for pairing in a rotation. And other shoes are compared as alternatives.

[@z10joey89]

my BMI is around 24-25, is eclipse a better choice than surfer for pace around 600-630/km?

[@kofuzi]

I'm afraid I am unfamiliar with how to recommend shoes by bmi

[@emilioviteri1956]

Hey guys, just wondering if you would recommend the cloudeclipse for all day walking/standing… I have to work long shifts on the hospital, so looking for something comfortable that gives enough support throughout the day

[@kofuzi]

it does tip you forward a bit (as running shoes tend to do versus casual shoes), so that could be bothersome to some, but I'd find it enjoyable

[@matipopczyk]

Hi I’m in a dilemma between forerunner 255 and 265 what do you recommend, maybe you prefer other model or brand.

[@kofuzi]

both are great watches, but there are significant price differences. I strongly prefer the screen on the 265, but whether it's worth it depends on your price sensitivity I don't personally sense any noticeable difference in the watch's performance

[@matipopczyk]

@@kofuzi okay, thanks what do you think about polar pacer pro . And maybe there is other good brand

[@flocav6962]

I guess it’s going to stand head to head with the ghost max. Is that shoe in for review?

[@kofuzi]

I've reached out to brooks for a sample. while I don't know much about the ghost max, I'm not anticipating it to be comparable to the CloudEclipse. but we'll see soon enough

[@JuanMorales-fi3jl]

So can you use it for everyday easy runs? I just got the shoe but I was wondering if you can use it as a daily shoe because of the cushion but it also has a plate too so I don’t really know because it could cause injury’s.

[@kofuzi]

yes. it doesn't have a plate. that thing on the bottom is more of a torsional stability element. not dissimilar from the torsion bars we saw on the early ultraboosts

[@JuanMorales-fi3jl]

What is the best daily trainer that keeps your legs fresh and obsorbs impact from the roads? Do you have a video on this?so I can check out.

[@MrMars121]

Hey how are they for walking and wearing them to the office sometimes?

[@kofuzi]

I haven't worked in an office in 3 years

[@connergatchalian5251]

Sad to say this but after running 30km in them so far (in rain) the shoes are already starting to squeak. The foam is getting softer at the point making the pods collapsing on itself easier causing the foam to rub against each other. The protective layer that is in the pods probably got washed off by the rain (so maybe adding some oil/powder will reduce the squeak?). Really disappointed they didn't resolve the biggest issue the Cloudsurfer had. The shoe feels lighter than it actually is and for me fit true to size. The foam sits in between the softness of the Cloudsurfer and firmness of the Boston 12. I'm 80kg/176lbs so lighter runners will most likely experience this issue much later than I did. I really like the shoes overall, but I would've liked it a little bit more if the tongue had just a tiny bit more padding.

[@kofuzi]

don't all shoes squeak in the rain?

[@connergatchalian5251]

@@kofuziYes, but not all of them keep squeaking (really loud) afterwards when dried. This shoe has the same issue as the cloudsurfer.

[@snowwalker9999]

@@connergatchalian5251 All On Cloud shoes squeak for a while maybe even a day or two after using them extensively in wet conditions. I have had five different models. Not a big deal to me. Durability however is one of my major concerns with all On Cloud shoes.

[@brianlin4044]

I'd be more interested in these if they came in wide sizes

[@Lovecltodrop]

I got this a week ago and I tried it for barely 30KM by far, sadly to say the midsole is much more firmer than it seems. The midsole is just too hard for me to put on miles in it.

[@kofuzi]

thanks for the update!

[@GotDamBoi]

I already know that notch is going to be a fucking rock magnet

[@kofuzi]

I think people over-estimate rocks getting stuck in shoes. But least we’re finally past the point where everyone complains about how difficult it might be to get dog 💩 out of the clouds

[@Javier-cg9xl]

I’m a jogger that incorporates about 12-15 minute sprints on a turf soccer field into my my 5-5.5 miles run. I like to keep sprints in my regimen to stay in shape for soccer. I run on pavement. I really like the idea of cushioning to help with impact. In your opinion could the eclipse be fine for my type of run? If not, any other recommendations? I use a new balance V860 now.

[@kofuzi]

Assuming you like the 860, id consider another stability shoe. The Cloudeclipse is not a stability shoe. Consider perhaps the Puma Forever Run

[@mikelesage7133]

I imagine the engineer team from On watching Kofuzi with pen and paper in hand lol

[@kofuzi]

to the extent that they might be watching, I hope that nothing I'm saying is a surprise

[@wacorbin1]

ON learning from adi. Speed board is basically a torsion plate.

[@kofuzi]

I'd prefer to think of it as On realizing that a speedboard does not have to be a philosophical component of an On shoe. like, we can have great On running experiences with out it (Cloudsurfer)

[@lindacronise5613]

Which shoe has the more aggressive rocker, Cloudeclipse or Superblast?

[@kofuzi]

Cloud eclipse

[@MadLadsAnonymous]

If you want a less aggressive rocker, check out the Vomero 17.

[@davidbraswell1481]

I don't know why they put the speed board in this, that was the absolute reason I bought the Cloudsurfer !!

[@kofuzi]

I have always detested the speedboard. I don’t mind this. It’s not really a speedboard

[@davidbraswell1481]

I was hoping for a cloudsurfer in a max cushion I guess this is close enough! @@kofuzi

[@Batucadax]

Does it squeak on each step like cloud surfer?

[@kofuzi]

I don't think I noticed my cloud surfers squeaking, so I can't answer that

[@Batucadax]

@@kofuzi thougt it's a common issue for this shoe. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaOqoX2jhc2CsJIsi=lBsVj0_BpTTeQh4C

[@HoreanAir]

that intro beat was more intense than it had to be. i was about to bring peace to gaza and shit

[@ryannelson8619]

Was it true to size sorry didn’t hear that?

[@kofuzi]

I went with my usual running shoe size. fits great.

[@fireman3857]

Wonder who will come out on top? The On Cloud eclipse, or Adidas Switch FWD or Sketchers GoRun Swirltech? Who makes the best holey shoe? 😅

[@user-kr8cg6ld7f]

Hey! Loved the review - my buddy just picked these up and he is my size so I get to try them for free!! Question for you: for a flat HM I found the ankle snappy-ness of the Alphafly 1 to be fun and exciting. On mile 22 of a full marathon with rolling hills I wanted to throw those things off my feet and burn them. Is there something in the middle that can give me the advantage of the Alpha but is a little safer on tired legs? (Similar feel to the endorphin speed 3 maybe?) or do I just need to bullet proof my legs in the gym? Thanks!!

[@okimy3668]

+ 1 for the gym, but a lot of people who liked the alphafly 1 like the endorphin elite. I have no experience with that shoe, but it might be worth looking into.

[@kofuzi]

agree

[@aslliesablan5848]

Hi are this shoe true to size?

[@kofuzi]

yes

[@rembo183]

Compared to the Bondi 8?

[@kofuzi]

Very different experiences. Someone who loves Bondi and wants another Bondi-like experience will likely not like the Cloudeclipse

[@paulhobin1716]

Tried them as part of a demo run and I did not like them. Very wide toe box, very roomy. In running I felt flat footed. Pretty much, most people I spoke to who ran in them as part of the demo did not like them. I could not imagine doing a long run in them. The 5k I ran in them was more than enough for me to decide that this shoe was not for me.

[@kofuzi]

Great time to be a runner. So many options for so many preferences. Flip side of that is that some shoes might not work out. And that’s ok.

[@cchungy]

I felt the sizing was a little too roomy, but otherwise a great shoe!

[@kofuzi]

I'd prefer to think of it as On finally letting go of speedboard as a philosophical element of their brand identity now if we could just get a shoe without clouds

[@brainkale]

Unfortunately too expensive compared to what's out there, including last seasons standouts which are now on steep discounts

[@kofuzi]

how do you perceive the $180 of the On Cloudeclipse vs the $180 of the Invincible 3 and the $180 of the SC Trainer 2? personally, I'm starting to wonder whether I'm just conditioned to think that On are expensive, no matter how they price them

[@brainkale]

@@kofuzi Invincible is also overpriced imo relative to what's out there, especially in terms of what its intended use cases are, but I also find Nike's non-racing offerings are way off the mark compared to the other brands. SC Trainer one could argue the plate and foam setup, plus the improved weight savings from the previous iteration, somewhat helps sustain its price point. With the Cloud Eclipse, what makes it worth charging $20-30 (and more if we're including last season's shoes now on discount) than the Triumph, Nimbus, Magnify Nitro, etc.? I'll give it to On for being able to tap into an audience segment that is willing to pay for slightly overpriced shoes, but it still doesn't look great when you're an informed consumer

[@danielpassos554]

Cloudeclipse vs Topo Atmos?

[@kofuzi]

atmos feels more like a traditional max cushion shoe for me. it's got some liveliness to it, but I wouldn't want to run much faster than easy effort in them

[@Chungdol]

Seems to me a shoe similiar to the Saucony Endorphine Speed ... I'm waiting for the speed 4 and then I compare. Oooooor, you compare them Mr. Kofuzi :P

[@kofuzi]

I find it very different than the endorphin speed

[@MrPaulHK]

I still can't unlove my Novablast 3.

[@kofuzi]

Unlike a springer episode, you can love em both, in this situation

[@yohankusuma5510]

180 is a bit too expensive imo, i'll wait for it to be at 160 or something lol

[@davrynbotha4795]

Still hard as cloud rocks?🤔

[@kofuzi]

Nope

[@thadrunsfaster]

Again. Like all cloud shoes. They want you to pay a significant upcharge for holes in your shoes.... I'm just not sure I'm convinced on both a longevity level and a price level.

[@kofuzi]

many On shoes are overpriced but I'm not sure this one is. what do you think about the pricing of the invincible 3 and sc trainer 2? also $180.

[@bbnd5476]

Is helion an EVA+OBC foam? If so, that's not much of a "superfoam"

[@kofuzi]

super foam is their term, not mine. I haven't bothered to verify whether there is a supercritical process involved, but I'll follow up when I see On at TRE next week. in the meantime, I think the helion in the cloudsurfer and cloudeclipse feels quite different than the helion in other On shoes, such as a cloudstratus or cloudmonster. I really wish they would have called it something different

[@bbnd5476]

​@kofuzi would be great to have a follow up. We rely on reviewers to filter the marketing materials for us, not amplify them. If ON is using EVA, then we shouldn't call it a superfoam. Supercritical processing or OBC additives help, but it wont close the gap on energy return nor longevity relative to TPE/PEBA. I certainly wouldn't want to spend 190€ on a superfoam shoe only to find out it's dead after 250km because it's actually just EVA.

[@hugov1091]

Is this new shoe gonna have the same squeaking noise like the latest On Cloudsurfer ? very boring...

[@kofuzi]

Are you saying it would be boring without squeaking? I’m not sure I understand

[@hugov1091]

Sorry I'm French, After 320 Km and a wet track session, with my CloudSurfer bought this year, me and a lot of people online complaning about a very loud plastic sound from the holes in the sole at every step on a run.@@kofuzi

[@SirThomas1212]

For the price I think Nova 3 or 4 would be better comparable than superblast.

[@kofuzi]

This is either $40 more expensive than the shoes you suggested or $20 cheaper than the ones I suggested Either way, it’s an interesting comparo. But I stand by my opinion for reasons where price is a low consideration

[@jeremycahill]

The BAA police are going to start patrolling for 50mm shoes after this video 😆

[@kofuzi]

I'm going to sole swap my adios pro 3 and prime x strung, just to troll

[@wildforthecats661]

These shoes seem much better, but not enough to pull the trigger.

[@kofuzi]

Maybe the next one

[@tossy_cyclist]

no more stone picker

[@rawkriot1461]

Eva foam but price so expensive

[@kofuzi]

it's glib to say, 'meh EVA' and move on, as I think there's more to it than that. you might be missing out. although I suppose at the end of the day, if $180 is too much for you, I guess it don't matter what's in the shoe or how much you might like it

[@itsahardmuttlife9263]

I returned mine. They just felt lifeless and dull to me. You sink into the foam with no return.

[@kofuzi]

I’d love to hear what you choose instead. It would be helpful for me in making recommendations

[@itsahardmuttlife9263]

I love the Topo Atmos instead. I would even pick the Ghost Max over this.

[@tav4755]

Lol adidas called. They want their torsion system back.

[@kofuzi]

I don't think they'd be mad. they switched from torsion bar to LEP like half a decade ago

[@dawncyclist]

Tried it. Stiff AF

[@kofuzi]

sorry to hear it didn't work out for you. can you give me an example of a similar type of shoe you've enjoyed? it will be helpful reference for me when I make recommendations in the future

[@dawncyclist]

Hands down Superblast. Also tried SC Trainer V2 which is much better. @@kofuzi

[@soowie4599]

Hoka Arahi 7 are perfect

[@kjam87gxp]

Anything Swedish is expensive

[@kofuzi]

Like ikea

[@muscfiorentina]

Friends don’t let friends run in on clouds

[@kofuzi]

there was a time I would have agreed with you, but the phrase is now aging like "boost is life" (although I still really like boost and miss it)

[@muscfiorentina]

@@kofuzi I don’t know in my opinion the only on cloud I like is the monster

[@geert574]

the on fad is over i see them less and less

[@kofuzi]

Is that good or bad?