On Worldbuilding - Island Civilisations! [ GoT | Japan | Ghibli ]

[@HelloFutureMe]

Every day more with the beard Tim delves deeper in the hermit cave tinyurl.com/audibleowaw ~ Tim, diary page #46

[@filon738]

Thank you

[@pattonramming1988]

Idea for a new avatar video The effects of isolation on cultural development

[@pattonramming1988]

How about a world building video on nomadic cultures

[@styxdragoncharon4003]

"New Zealand is objectively the most beautiful country on the damn planet" Clearly you have never heard of Seychelles. New Zealand is up there... as is Madagascar. What do I know, I'm only from Hawaii?

[@styxdragoncharon4003]

@Roland Joseph So you took over someone's identity online, and announce it to strangers? I don't follow your logic.

[@JamesTullos]

We made it 14 minutes before Tim brought up Avatar, guys, give him a round of applause.

[@ajarofmayonnaise3250]

Hey nice to see you.

[@mightworth3735]

👏👏👏 👏 👏 👏👏👏

[@reubenm.d.5218]

It was in the thumbnail, doesn't count. Maybe one day! ;)

[@hobieslittlesibling]

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[@averongodoffire8098]

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[@FoxJ10027]

"New Zealand, which of course doesn't exist" "Consider how avoiding a deadly plague might leave an island nation in a stronger geopolitical position than their continental counterparts" Hmm... What are you Kiwis planning?

[@bl4cksp1d3r]

oh.... oh no

[@Wilipeidia]

*Hell March begins in background(

[@judeconnor-macintyre9874]

as an Australian I give you four words: Don't Trust the Kiwis

[@bl4cksp1d3r]

@@judeconnor-macintyre9874 good thing i usually eat them :x

[@thediffdaff]

I don't know what they're planning, but we clearly need to find out what they did to the old Zealand.

[@soontir_fel1816]

You should do one about mountainous civilizations, ex. Nepal, Tibet,fantasy dwarves,and other cultural examples are able to thrive in such remote places and their interactions with the outside world around them.

[@KitOfTheWeirdWoods]

In Deep Geek just did a video about Tolkien's Dwarves' Economy which is interesting. It would be nice to see that compared to real life cultures.

[@OmegaTaishu]

This, please

[@RabbitShirak]

Witcher series mentions this. Originally they lived on plains, coast lines, by the rivers etc. Then, the humans came to the continent and took the best, the most fertile lands from them (and from other races as well). The dwarves eventually settled on mountains by necessity. Humans didn't want them, they controlled the key strategic areas. The dwarves also evolved culturally from this by no longer associating themselves with any particular area on the map. Instead, their culture started to focus on families and lineage, not pieces of land.

[@princessthyemis]

YES!!!!

[@psychologymajorptsd62]

They are islands in their own right ^_^

[@MorgQ7]

"New Zealand doesn't exist" sounds like the best Covid era tourism slogan.

[@weedragonauts4729]

lol he's also from New Zealand

[@SergioBocanegra]

That was a sick BURN!!!!!!

[@gandalf6751]

There is no New Zealand in Ba Sing Se

[@jayayerson8819]

Well it's not like you can actually *go* there.

[@vgarzareyna]

@@gandalf6751 r/technicallythetruth

[@Quincy_Morris]

Islands were the OG planets. Before sci fi became a thing when people wanted to transport to a strange new world it would always be some distant island. Islands as mysterious new worlds have always been a part of the cultural lexicon.

[@gokbay3057]

Even in Sci-fi one of the big tropes is "Space is an Ocean" and Spaceships and Space Navies. What else would planets be but the Islands in the Ocean that is Space.

[@JaneXemylixa]

Exactly! The exploration and warfare tropes are basically the same and all originate from sea stories and history.

[@shockingheaven]

That's why Treasure Island became Treasure Planet

[@lucyandecember2843]

@@shockingheaven ooooooo

[@slimee8841]

"Islands are more prone to *natural* disasters" Marley soldier holding syringe: Yeah, natural, very natural disasters.

[@Sebshep]

Aot?

[@aronnemcsik]

Two words: Water 7

[@muntu1221]

Islands are also the source of natural disasters, as Marley knows very well 😉

[@pinkajou656]

Who?

[@samuraibobafett1118]

I understood that reference

[@eldorados_lost_searcher]

Guys, I think he's trying to discourage travel to New Zealand. Which doesn't exist.

[@Orynae]

Good covid strategy haha

[@onijester56]

TOO BAD! My map says that "There Be Dragons" in that section of the ocean. Or is it "Dagon"? Probably Dagon...but still... I'm gonna hunt those dragons so I can befriend Dagon. **checks bank** Uh, ok, nevermind. I can't afford that.

[@sircoloniser5454]

69th like NOICE

[@-Extra_Lives]

There is no war in ba sing se

[@clara_corvus]

I have something to add to the ecology part: It's no coincidence that there are so many birds in New Zealand. Flying creatures can reach islands much easier, whereas terrestrial animals only get there by accident or on land bridges. This makes it very likely that islands are mostly inhabited by animals that are or used to be able to fly. If there are a lot of land animals, they are probably very different from those on the mainland due to isolation (like on Madagascar).

[@NoOne-gg5mc]

He's right. New Zealand doesn't exist, because he's been talking about Aotearoa all this time.

[@AxxLAfriku]

ORORORORO!!! I spend half of my day sleeping! ORORORO!!! Then I sometimes get up and tell you that I am a famous content creatorORORORORO!!! Please don't sleep while driving, dear no

[@neutwho]

Facts. Maori sovereignty sure would be nice

[@itsyaboiroman3345]

The fact that Tim manages to work Avatar into every single video is truly iconic I love it so much

[@princessthyemis]

Me too!!!! That show truly has ENDLESS greatness! There's so much to unpack and examine!!!😍😍😍😍😍🤩🤩🤩🤩

[@rmsgrey]

The big question to consider when talking about island civilisations is what size the islands are - general consensus is that the line should be drawn somewhere between Great Britain and Australia, but there are people who argue that Afro-Eurasia is an island. In A Song of Ice and Fire, Westeros is classed as a continent, despite having strong parallels to Great Britain (though on a larger scale) and having some of the character of an island nation (particularly compared to the more diverse and "continental" Essos). Even Great Britain is large enough that it's only relatively recently that it's become a single nation (a little over three centuries since the Act of Union), and, while there is a strong naval tradition, there is a reasonable amount of land that's more than a day's walk from the sea, so there's a definite difference between coastal population (that deals with the sea as an everyday part of life) and inland population (that may not even have ever seen the sea). The smaller an island, the more the ocean is going to dominate society, and vice versa - for a larger island, the ocean is going to be increasingly peripheral. Even in Australia, where the continental interior is an arid wasteland haunted by venomous... well, venomous just about anything. Even there, where civilisation hangs around the coasts, for most of the population, the sea is a holiday destination rather than a workplace.

[@Rainbowthewindsage]

Interesting idea to throw into this: atolls. They have limited land but are also spread out due to their shape.

[@rmsgrey]

@@Rainbowthewindsage Yeah, the land area of an island, and the area of ocean it occupies, while they do tend to have a correlation, aren't identical. You could imagine a giant impact crater roughly the size of the Gulf of Mexico, but surrounded by more ocean rather than being part of a larger continent - it would be big enough to contain its own archipelago, in addition to the raised crater rim that would be most of the dry land, but wouldn't have significant arable land.

[@jerlinej3516]

Yeah, he touched on that around the 4:07 mark

[@evilwelshman]

On the "isolation makes [islands] less vulnerable to disease on the mainland", I would amend that slightly to say that isolation provides a buffer to disease from the mainland; meaning that while islands are somewhat protected from being exposed to diseases found on the mainland due to their isolation, once exposed to said disease an island is then at high risk of being severely impacted by it due to having had no previous exposure to said disease and more enclosed population structure allowing for easier spread once inside.

[@Sinnopia]

Thanks to North Korea, South Korea is essentially an island on hyper vigilance of not one, but THREE agressive neighbors. Before moving here, I never imagined how certain things could be better (like shipping is insanely fast) but other things, like buying fruit and beef, is really expensive. This video really got me thinking.

[@Altrantis]

Other functionally island nations are (historically or even today): Chile, surrounded by mountains and desert. Noway+Sweden are like if they were in an island together because no one goes around the long way north. Switzerland and Nepal because mountains. Greece because it's half islands half mountains and there's like one road to get there by land. Some places in north Africa are essentially islands because there's the sea or hundreds of miles of empty desert, or just the latter. Some of these have stopped working as islands but have a long history of behaving like one.

[@artgatherer3477]

@@Altrantis I agree with you. However, just want to clarify so there are no misconceptions, I have been in Greece and I know : there are a lot more than one road leading to the country. If you look at a map of Europe you can see that Greece has natural land boarders with 4 countries (with at least one road for each of them). Also when it comes to history - Greece's history is closely intertwined with the mainland. Only in ancient times, 400B.C.+, we can consider them a mainly island nation.

[@Altrantis]

@@artgatherer3477 I must have been thinking of the Peloponnese. The further south you go the less connected.

[@baerfromthenorth820]

Except mentally and culturally Koreans are not formed as an island nation, since North Korea hasn't been around for long enough to bring change in the way people view the world and their society. But your comment is actually pretty interesting! South Korea really is sort of an island now. I'd just add it's surrounded by 5 very unreliable neighbours - North Korea (of course), Japan, China, US and Russia. All of those very aggressive about their own interests. As for meats, only beef is expensive, the rest is pretty cheap, in my opinion. Fruits - yes, overpriced and not a big variety to choose from. Btw, do you still live here?^^ I see it's been half a year since you commented 😀

[@Sinnopia]

@@baerfromthenorth820 North Korea has been around for 70 years! I think as time passes, South Korea will become more distant from the north. If you look at this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5Oyg6lva8-id7M you can see that the general consensus is people don't really want unification anymore, and don't really concern themselves with North Korea, except when it's in the news. This is especially true of young people, 30 and younger. It's also not surrounded by the US, it just has US troops in the area! Haha In my opinion, most meat here is kinda expensive, but that's coming from the US, where it was really cheap in my area. Yup! Still live here, permanent resident just about. :)

[@HistoryoftheAges]

Amazing video as always!!

[@andrewwilson2324]

Should’ve gone with “two of the nine”

[@odd-ysseusdoesstuff6347]

Haloo! Love your vids!

[@benjaminstiles]

“...New Zealand, which we all know doesn’t exist.” I found out much more funny than I should have.

[@ahenchman8656]

At the very least, it has a problem staying on global maps

[@NikGushue]

A good historical example of why resources matter in a revolution for an island is Newfoundland. The two reasons Newfoundland didn't join America were 1. we were settled far later and didn't have the same patriotic values of Americans (it wasn't until the 1800s people considered themselves Newfoundlanders instead of English or Irish) and 2. The US had farms and other ways to overcome the naval blockade while Newfoundland was so reliant on imports that if we wanted independence we would have been starved out.

[@persianking44]

Everyone: Tim can’t possibly find another reason to talk about or bring up Avatar the Last Airbender in a discussion! Tim: Your optimism is misplaced...

[@sternis1]

I was surprised he didn't bring it up more! The Fire Nation is an excellent example of an island nation empire: They are an island nation with few farmlands, they had several early technological advantages (and also a magical one with Sozins comet) when it comes to sefaring and warfare, they have multiple semi-self-governing colonies.

[@Great_Olaf5]

You mean pessimism?

[@UTU]

Whoa...seeing Shad's book being referenced all of a sudden!

[@UGNAvalon]

I think I remember a previous video mentioning Shadow of the Conquerer, don’t remember which tho. :/

[@VoidLantadd]

I saw it referenced on Reddit yesterday, and then I watched this video today. Weird.

[@louiegalvani804]

I literally only just yesterday sat down with an idea to create a new island nation; I wake up this morning and you give us a new video on this exact topic? Brilliant, the timing is *chef's kiss* :D

[@mistereiswolf70]

I know how you feel. I was stuck with my story because I had no idea how I can make my elemental magic unique but Tim's last video was so perfecly timed. Good luck and have fun with your story. ^~^

[@Ian_DSouza]

I'm surprised you didn't go into more detail with the Fire Nation. In the Kyoshi novels, we learn more about the history and politics of the different islands in the archipelago.

[@thebraydenchannel78]

I'm pretty sure he went over the geography and stuff like that of the fire nation in another video

[@eliseg1574]

Yep he goes into a LOT of detail in his video on the Worldbuilding of the Fire Nation

[@pv8780]

Dude really did a video about island nations without even referencing One Piece

[@lucasbechtol4126]

Wait, if New Zealand doesn't exist then where did they film The Lord if the Rings? Was it Jersey? It was Jersey, wasn't it?

[@aelbion1453]

The island in the English Channel?

[@StergiosMekras]

Only the Mordor scenes.

[@togerboy5396]

The mention of Jersey reminds me of the thick sweet cream they make 😢 I’m so hungry

[@gavinparrish3175]

He knows. He's too dangerous to be left alone

[@Marylandbrony]

The Lords of the Rings was filmed in Canada and Karl Urban is just an Australian doing a made up accent.

[@PeaceDreams0]

My country is on the mainland, but "mentally" is an island: our fronters are as isolating as the sea (we have: the most arid dessert up nort, eternal ice in the south, the ocean in one side, a really looong and tall mountain in the other.) Also, we have areas with their own climite. Like, a rainforest in the middle of the dessert. And we have really tiny deers. I do think we are the better fantasy island.

[@dylanstober8959]

Chile?

[@pattonramming1988]

Argentina?

[@Spoeism]

"Attack on Titan" would've been a great source and example, for this topic. Historically speaking Japan is also a great example of an Island Empire, especially back when it was closed off to the world and a mystery.

[@PeaceDreams0]

Gibli: La Puta Spanish speakers: gigle.

[@eduardohecht750]

Brazilians too my man LEKDJAE

[@ellugerdelacruz2555]

Oh Gosh, THAT'S HILARIOUS.🤣😆 But also kinda fitting?🤔🧐

[@marlonbryanmunoznunez3179]

I wonder if Jonathan Swift did it on purpose? It would be in brand for him. Remember this is the guy that in the same book argue that Dutch and German sounded like horses neighing 😂

[@conanhighwoods4304]

@@marlonbryanmunoznunez3179 And made Gulliver put out a fire by peeing on it.

[@ellugerdelacruz2555]

@@marlonbryanmunoznunez3179 Well Gulliver's Travels WAS a satire

[@dragonsurge1096]

When regarding island ecology, remember insular dwarfism (big things get smaller) and insular gigantism (small things get bigger). Consider putting different animals in different ecological niches. (The palaeoenvironment of Hăteg Island is a great case study)

[@nabuchodonosormcgalapatram6941]

Ah yes, those horse-sized Sauropods and humongus Pterosaurs...

[@Amy_the_Lizard]

Island dwarfism is how goblins happened in my setting

[@Melissa-wx4lu]

Wasn't there an Island where there were like... pigmy elephants? Or was that a myth and it's been so long that I thought it was supposed to be a true account?

[@nabuchodonosormcgalapatram6941]

@@Melissa-wx4lu Yeah, and they were also giant rodents on the same island.

[@dragonsurge1096]

@@Melissa-wx4lu Yes! The pygmy elephant (Palaeoloxodon falconeri) lived in Ice-Age Malta and Sicily, and was only 80-90 cm tall at the shoulder. It notably lived alongside a giant swan (Cygnus falconeri)

[@leigh-anjohnson]

Just as I start writing a story about sky-pirate clans who live on island civilizations, Hello Future Me drops a video about island civilizations. Bless you, Tim

[@griffglowen5555]

It’s amazing how even Britannia was considered a mysterious dangerous place by Gallic Romans, largely because it was an island on the edge of the world

[@shifuhotman2574]

And their is paradis island "If you win, you live. If you lose, you die. If you don't fight, you can't win!"

[@ragingelection8411]

i wanted the whole episode for an aot reference

[@exodiathomas908]

Who else is a yeagerist? ✋🏾

[@shifuhotman2574]

@@exodiathomas908 eren did nothing wrong

[@irecordwithaphone1856]

@@shifuhotman2574 these replies are not going to age well I predict

[@shifuhotman2574]

@@irecordwithaphone1856 yeah I read the manga

[@aaronbrimfrost]

Hey, Shadiversity's book!

[@odd-ysseusdoesstuff6347]

Ikr!

[@orangesoul4289]

Apart from the world building it’s really poor

[@jago2503]

Might I ask why? I've been curious about it for a while; don't want to bother with it if it's badly written, though.

[@orangesoul4289]

@@jago2503 the dialogue, prose, and characters are extremely bad. The main character is a dislikable Mary Sue, which is the worst combination possible

[@willieearles3151]

@@orangesoul4289 I didn’t find him wholly dislikeable. He was a redeemer, and the Mary Sue criticism is fair (even if many of the ridiculous abilities he has are explained, they aren’t always good explanations), and truthfully I thought the prose was a little childish for a book that talks about such topics as genocide, redemption, sexual assault, etc. but was not bad enough to ruin the book by any means. Overall, not the best written book by any means, but an incredibly interesting world. As a matter of fact, I think one of the reasons Daylen had so many abilities was to show off more about the world and its trades and sciences.

[@arg3824]

I laughed out loud so many times during this video. Especially "Australia on a cool winter evening" and "In a shocking twist of events, an oil company was evil."

[@RoofTopRenegade]

I was honestly hoping some acknowledgment of one piece and its unique situation of only island civilizations, and the great worldbuilding in that story.

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

Please do an episode on Sky fantasy; Skyships, Sky islands, levitating continents and structures- that sort of thing.

[@robinhahnsopran]

I love the worldbuilding of the universe in which this channel exists. New Zealand doesn't exist, Pirates is a 100% true story... a rich, well-developed universe.

[@atopodentatus]

Some more things to consider about island ecosystems: -Depending on how long they’ve been separated from the mainland, the animals that were trapped there will evolve to fill similar niches to their mainland counterparts. Elaborating in the example of New Zealand (with doesn’t exist) the Island broke off when there were no mammals around, so all the niches were filled by birds- with kiwis mirroring rats in the night-forrest scavenger niche, moas mirroring moose and bison in the big herbivore niche and the haasts eagle kinda doing their own thing and filling the super carnivore niche. -The smaller the size of the land+ the more isolated it is + the longest it has been separated from any mainland= the more unique it’s ecosystem will be, and the more likelly it will contain animals from old-near extinct taxa. Australia isn’t an island but it was isolated enough that it is a good example- because it broke off before placental mammal were a thing, not only were marsupials filling the niches, but were able to thrive, while were being outcompeted and replaced by placentals. There is the only place were monotremes mammals like the platypus still exist- there was less competition and evolutionary pressures, meaning they could survive where new types of mammals have taken over. - The more unique the ecosystem (the more it follows the previous rules) the more vulnerable it is- there will be less but more specific ecological pressures on the animal, making it evolve into a form that is very vulnerable to invasive species. Examples include the tale of flightless birds: flight is very demanding of energy and special features, so if a bird lives in a safe environment where they don’t need flight, they will stop flighting and put their energy into evolving something more effective. Elephant birds, dodos, moas, kiwis, kakapos- all flightless island birds that evolved flightlesness- and were either killed off or became extremely endangered as soon as invasive species (humans and friends) arrived. They weren’t prepared to us (going even deeper in the kakapo example- they evolved to be be camouflaged and freeze at the sight of danger, since their predators had great vision. However with the arrival of mammals, this tactic made them nearly extinct, since mammals have great smell that combat camouflage). -Some types of animal (or animals that evolved from those mammals) are more likely to be found on islands (specially the smaller/maybe volcanic instead of ex-mainland ones)- small animals like lizards or rodents that can raft on logs, swimming animals like crocodiles or seals can swim, and flighting animals like bats (the only native New Zealand mammals, they are everywhere!) and birds can fly there. Also generalists will be more likely to stick and populate an island after being stuck there, since they can handle themselves with the given resources. -Some cool island concepts: island gigantism and dwarfism. Due to special conditions (usually but not aways related to food amounts) animals can evolve to be larger or smaller versions of their mainland counterparts. During the cretaceous period for example, Romênia was the island of Hateg, where there were several mini versions of mainland dinosaurs and a giant super predator pterosaurs. There is probably more to cover, these are the ones I could think off my head, hope it helps!

[@geoffdewitt6845]

Another point to consider is that in pre-modern times, the efficiency of sea transport was vastly higher on a per-mile basis. The idiom used to express this now is that cities are "united by water, but separated by land."

[@ravenhunter1355]

I honestly can't believe you mentioned Shad's book

[@MaeveAsterin42]

One of the best examples I’ve ever seen of island worldbuilding (actually, worldbuild in general) is Francis Hardinge’s “Deeplight.” The relationship with water from part 1 is explored a lot, as well as how different islands in the archipelago have different regional signs. Even the development of sign languages as widely used links to the sea, as the islands have a large Dead population due to water related accidents. It’s a brilliant book, I recommend it to anyone who happens to read this comment.

[@prophetisaiah08]

I come from Newfoundland, which has a different variation of many of these points (though they still do definitely apply, just in ways that you didn't mention). We live in a geographic situation similar to the Greyjoys - a harsh, brutal environment where farming is limited and the sea is often lethal - but we didn't start here. We came here and survived as part of a globe-spanning ocean trade empire. Our land is isolated, yes, but also an important stop on a globally important ocean trade route with key resources that help that trade route function. This leads to a very different situation, where the vast majority of the locla inhabitants have little to no direct contact with the outside world, but are also dependant on a very important indirect connection to the biggest method of global trade at that time. This removes the need for raiding that is prominent in the example of the Greyjoys or the Norse peoples of the Viking Era. The end result is a culture that has almost opposite values of the ones seen in the Iron Isles; there is a large focus on community - where kindness, hospitality and cooperation are seen as essential survival skills. Those who believe in a dog-eat-dog world wind up alone very quickly, and without the solidarity of a community, you will die very quickly. The environment preys on those who are alone, so taking care of those around you (your family, your crew, your neighbours, even random travellers who happen by) is key to the survival of the whole community, and therefore everyone within that community. There is a sense of responsibility to help those in trouble, because outsiders can't be relied on to step in (thanks to distance and/or the exploitative power relations of the trade empire we found ourselves in). This results in a culture that generally frowns upon those that "pass the buck" when called upon to help. And yes, that led to constant and palpable tension with the colonial overlords that governed our island. Now this culture didn't arise overnight, as soon as Europeans set foot on this island. Far from it. It took centuries of living here before this culture fully manifested itself as something distinctly different from our neighbours. This is likely because the location of our island and its position on the Trans-Atlantic trade route made it less isolated than other island cultures, leading to a slower transition away from the dominant culture we came out of, but for the past 150 years or so (of the 400ish years of European settlement in Newfoundland), this has been the general trend of our culture.

[@peachesandcream8753]

I guess you can say the same culture rose within the Inuit communities because they're technically islands within themselves too? You could also include nomadic tribes within this idea as well since they're "floating islands" in the sense that small communities move around. The Gypsy community in the UK are very close knit and isolationist (while making a mess of everywhere they go) so I can see this mentality could very much be the same as theirs.

[@Alassandros]

Oh hey, the Shadiversity book was featured. Cool.

[@lyreparadox]

I would like to offer this comment as a sacrifice to the great algorithm, so that it might look favorably upon this video.

[@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547]

All hail the great Lord Algorithm

[@sailordaigurren8225]

"Al Gore rhythm?"

[@sspectre8217]

Yes

[@lacareisa]

Seconding the noble sacrifice

[@epauletshark3793]

This is the best algorithm-promoting comment I have ever read.

[@harjutapa]

Majapahit This is my favorite island empire that epitomizes many (but not all) of the things you mention. A huge island empire based on naval supremacy and trade power that spanned most of SE Asia's coast and the Indonesian archipelago

[@wuggldy]

"Not-As-Great-As-It-Once-Was Brittan", a small line but one that had me wheezing

[@juliamay8580]

By the way, I'm writing a story for a screenplay course and I named one of the characters Mishka in honor of our previous Supreme Leader. She was fair and mighty and shall forever live in our hearts.

[@Argacyan]

Small error I spottet: The silk road was intact during the sea trade boom. Two major factors that lead to it instead were European colonialism & trade embargoes against powers such as the Ottoman Empire on the basis of religion. Trade had been relatively monopolized by countries such as Genoa at the time while Castile /Spain torpedoed it's own trade that way which under Andalusia had made Iberia prosperous.

[@aidanosullivan7731]

Is this man a mind reader? Me while I've been trying to work on an island nation for my DND campaign and homie comes out with thissssssss. Fam. (The only way this could be better would be if tim announced that he was going to read ONE PIECE after this.)

[@sternis1]

Oh yeah! One Piece is a very interesting setting for island nations!

[@LordDany]

Yes One piece is amazing work of art

[@mathieuleader8601]

Echiro Oda's One Piece is a great novel on the subject of islands

[@brandf.7691]

"It's pretty rare for islands to be world superpowers" Does anyone else hear Birtish cackling somewhere in the distance?

[@PlatinumAltaria]

And Japan. That's 2/3 large islands off the coasts of continents having massive empires. Madagascar is letting us down.

[@laurencefraser]

Rare =/= unheard of, you know? And that still leaves them as a rather small minority.

[@bigrob9044]

A great idea if you want to include monarchies in islands would be a system similar to the Holy Roman Empire, it’s a group of culturally similar people who seemed United but when you look at it see how each island is unique. That and show how one family could spread their influence like the Hapsburgs did.

[@smuu1996]

Well island civilizations are less vunerable to disease in the scanario that there is contact between the continent and the isle which is cut off during the plague. If any of these aren't the case(for example, there is little to contact between the island and the mainland) then a disease that's bad for the continent might be the end of human life on that island(because the people won't have proper immune systems that protect them).

[@caitlinmack1196]

I loved that you touched on how islands affect animal life! There is actually an entire field around this called island biogeography, that deals with different factors of how animals on islands developed, and how resilient they are to environmental changes. It deals with factors such as distance, size of the island, size of the source population, and time separated. These "islands" don't even need to be traditional island. The ideas can be applied to an kind of isolated environments, such as forest patches. Definitely gives you some interesting ideas to work with when worldbuilding.

[@mullac1992]

"Consider how avoiding a deadly plague might leave an island nation in a stronger geopolitical position than their continental counterparts" *cries in England*

[@carolinemcgovern4488]

*Also cries*

[@wyattcole5452]

Love how he mentions Shad Brooks, he’s a great KZbinr

[@dirandrous7682]

After watching this video, I feel so uneducated about islands even though I'm an islander myself.

[@kirkjahn1425]

It is 9 o clock in Germany and i can finally watch a video from him without beeing a day late.

[@AzureIV]

*Reads title.* *Starts hearing the Rule, Britannia! song, followed by the Fire Nation Oath.*

[@advisorv]

New Zealand doesn't exit at the moment because it is in the Warp. Malcador moved it there so that he could gather his Grey Kiwis.

[@alethearia]

The Expanse: Islands in space + colonialism + even worse late-stage capitalism = one of the best political dramas I've ever read.

[@Padtedesco]

And real life Physics. Actually it dont do world building, it does world depiction

[@CapturedInWords]

Man I don't know why I've just sort of discovered your channel recently. Glad I got a lot of videos to catch up on! Edit: the story I'm writing takes place in a nation made up of a cluster of isles so this video was very helpful.

[@naomiserieux1787]

It’s like you read my mind my entire world takes place on a massive island with multiple countries

[@NecroWolfExPaladin]

Islands are a pretty good analogy for planetary colonization. The 'ocean' of space separates the planets, and even at light speed, communication can be pretty slow. As such, a network of various planets would be individually on their own, for the most part and would likely develop their own cultures and political systems because of their separation, even from those who claim ownership over them back on the home planet.

[@UmTois]

I feel One Piece is underrepresented on this one.

[@HAL-oj4jb]

Tim is so good at worldbuilding he made up the island nation he lives in

[@wreckitremy]

I'm not planning on making anything like this, but this was helpful just to expand my understanding of these areas in the real world, as I'm trapped in the dead center of the U.S. and often am unaware or forget things like islands actually disappearing due to rising sea levels. Island dwarfism is super interesting tho. Evolution in fiction is such a fascinating subject. I'm currently trying to make prehistoric mermaids that devoped from ichthyosaurs. Also, "not as great as it once was Britain" 😆 love it. P.s. congratulations on your new supreme leader 😊 long live the supreme leader!

[@HIIMPIEZ]

Hey cool! Shadiversitys' book is mentioned here! I'm glad it's getting some love

[@raumnika5304]

literally 4 seconds of video: Laputa Me, a spanish speaking person: WHEEEEEEE

[@rodrigonoffs1369]

@Lorenzo Panza it means the bitch. At least if puta means the same as in portuguese

[@--julian_]

@@rodrigonoffs1369 Almost more like s1ut or h0e

[@rodrigonoffs1369]

@@--julian_ ok

[@odd-ysseusdoesstuff6347]

@@rodrigonoffs1369 in Philippines, it means: “The Idiot.” or “The F*ck.”.

[@marlonbryanmunoznunez3179]

I wonder if Jonathan Swift did it on purpose? It would be in brand for him. Remember this is the guy that in the same book argue that Dutch and German sounded like horses neighing 😂

[@dantesteele2211]

My entire world is islands, so this is my new favorite World Building video

[@kanduyog1182]

Hello Future Me: Their isolation makes them less vulnerable to diseases on the mainland The Americas: Spain and the UK: _cough cough_ Also the Americas: 👁️👄👁️

[@j2dragon109]

Spain isn't an island, it's part of the largest landmass on earth.

[@ale-xsantos1078]

@@j2dragon109 He meant how the Americas were isolated and that didnt help when the colonizers decided to sniff doom on them

[@PlatinumAltaria]

France, the Netherlands and Portugal disappearing into the bushes to avoid the consequences of American colonialism.

[@AtarahDerek]

These days there's far more to fear from the tyrants exploiting the disease. 1776: * kills millions in a world with less than a billion people using smallpox at a 60% case mortality rate * America: Let's build a country that has no excuses for not protecting liberty! 2020: * kills a couple million in a world of 7.5 billion with a cough that has a .1% case mortality rate * America: Take this dangerous liberty away! Give me slavery, but please don't give me death!

[@PlatinumAltaria]

@@AtarahDerek If you think that tyranny is enforcing basic hygiene in public places then you deserve actual tyranny.

[@HorizonSilver]

I've always liked how the Altmer in the Elder Scrolls, who live in an archipelago, became known as having great ships and good sailors after having to deal with constant raids and invasions by outside maritime threats like the Maomer and the Sload. Living on an island can make you vulnerable to other island or sea-based forces and it's hard to block access to your island when anyone can sail up to it, where land-based countries can often count on difficult mountain passes or other features to defend themselves from invaders. So it's interesting how the Elder Scrolls writers used this in their worldbuilding to explain why the Altmer have a strong naval power. They had to build that navy to protect themselves.

[@therealHLY]

but tim, if newzealand doesn't exist, then are you telling me the most beautiful place in the world is a lie? is beauty just a dream?

[@gavinparrish3175]

I'm currently writing a novel where the world in which it takes place is all islands, save for one small continent, and this gave me lts of tips and inspiration for the various cultures and encounters that take place between different island civilizations, and how they view eachother and the world

[@Magaxstar]

Tim, great content, keep it up❤️ You kinda remind me of the Channel: The Meaning of NERD You should check it out. I think you'll really like his avatar videos. Keep it up bro, love your stuff ❤️

[@fofinha007723]

Uhhh, sounds interesting, lemme check it out

[@scootergsp]

Nice to see the shout-out to Shad's book.

[@UGNAvalon]

New Zealand is a romanticized, mythological, and definitely-too-fantastical-to-be-real island, confirmed.

[@michaelshields1861]

Perfect timing for this one. I'm working on an island nation that is set very close to the arctic. The islands though are formed from a massive super volcano that heats up the water around them.

[@willygracia9348]

New Zealand: The Shire Australia: Mordor Japan: Numenor

[@Just_Beboy]

Love this! Castle in the sky was the movie I fell asleep to every night as a kid. You're awesome HFM

[@marocat4749]

The dead land is an interesting good new zealandian maori horror. Atlantis is proably the most famous fictional island thou, and the disney movie that underrated, ha not a bad portrayal. Not kyoshi island? And disney bought islands, hmm. The manga hells paradise has an interesting take on mystical island.

[@turtle3527]

Kyoshi is probably not as interesting to talk about because it originally wasn’t an island and probably developed roughly the same culture as the mainland. The most interesting thing about it are the Kyoshi warriors which are more related to their founder rather than their home being an island

[@isaacnorris2177]

The shadiversity shout-out is much appreciated you guys both make amazing content, much love

[@joshuakusuma5953]

Wasn't Indonesia's government incredibly centralized on the island of Java during the Suharto years, though? And still is, even after the political reforms that happened?

[@grahamturner2640]

Afaik, Java has most of Indonesia’s population.

[@joshuakusuma5953]

@@grahamturner2640 It does. It is also the most developed, economically and technologically. So it's not exactly decentralized as an archipelago. Government decisions tend to skew heavily towards Java.

[@SevenStarsandSevenStones]

Another interesting feature of island cultures are their burial practices. When land is limited and very valuable, people tend to get creative with burials. The Mycenaean Greeks used shaft tombs, and the British Isles had barrows. Both of which would host remains for a while, which would then be brushed aside to make room for the next ones.

[@DaAsianJuan]

10:04 Shadiversity!

[@boringturtle]

It's worth mentioning that island habitats can apply forces to both make animals very small or very large. This can be an easy way to make animals distinct. There's a reason that Moas showed up on islands.

[@cecirapalini]

Great video, I was thinking about One piece the whole time because...well..there're a lot of islands there.

[@laurawilliams2087]

1. You are an angel among humans who always manages to upload a video exactly when I need it 2. Quoting Hobbes immediately gave me war flashbacks to my first year political philosophy classes, so thanks for that

[@ehsanrahee7411]

Tim, I can't believe you did a whole video about island civilizations without even a mention of One Piece. It's THE island civilization story. Not only are there also sky islands as well, but UNDERWATER islands!! As well as being one of THE best fantasy stories to ever exist. It's the Lord of the Rings of the Shonen manga world. Trust me and just READ it (it's much faster than watching the anime).

[@pyrosianheir]

That Tim managed to get through this without mentioning Avatar and the Fire Nation (particularly during the industrialization bit) is an impressive display of self-control.

[@jdelascio4412]

This makes me think about Attack on Titan, just now with all the last season tendence, we can see how an unique society can be created by being isolated from the rest of the world, stuck on some tecnology issues while creating and developing others that the rest of the world woulnd't even imagine, and of course, this being related directly to their necesities, si even then they find out that they are way behind in tecnology, still having some good stuff that put's them over other nations. (wich I find really interesting as it dosen't gets directly on being way much more advanced or disadvanced, just, diferent)

[@nabuchodonosormcgalapatram6941]

Also the inhabitants being demonized, I mean, they are literally called island devils.

[@1homelander179]

Actually they could have progressed technologically if there's no interior military police. They were the guys who didn't let advance technology and killed everyone who tried to invent something that would have exposed the truth about the outside world.

[@jdelascio4412]

@@1homelander179 oh yea you're right with that, but even when that was really bad inside of the story, looking it from the outside, that's one of the points that makes it more unique in comparison with the other nations

[@1homelander179]

@@jdelascio4412 well the walls itself shaped the technological progress of paradis, for example since they had no acces to the ocean they only have ships to rivers so their naval force is basicly zero and they couldn't build a navy ever or defend the island from an invading force (like marley) without the colossal titans.

[@jdelascio4412]

@@1homelander179 Exactly, even when is a big issue, still really marks them as an unique society (better or worse than others but unique) just like the boats that they had on the rivers, idk if that's a thing but at least for me i've never seen that kind of boats in my life

[@TheSamistarkey]

So glad to have a kitty back on the channel again!

[@Thegiddyowl]

Ahhhhhh I need to be a patreon, because I’d love to hear you talk about desert cultures.

[@Tyrandir]

I was so happy you used Kakapo as an example of evolution going fucky on islands.

[@gaara_of_the_desert1118]

Phew... I was scared, you almost didn't mention Avatar in a video.

[@TheOmaga13]

Loved the video! Gives lots to think about in regards to world building, as your fantastic videos always do. Just for interest's sake than any criticism: One of the reason that Newfoundland doesn't have weird animals is because the ocean freezes during the winter and animals cross over from the mainland. So there's no animals that typically hibernate on the island (minus bears). So sometimes islands can have really normal kinds of animals depending on distance and seasonal cycles too.

[@colinfrederick2603]

I kept trying to find New Zealand but it doesn’t seem to be on any maps....

[@matthewparker9276]

It's right next to Atlantis.

[@davidmeigs2152]

Am currently writing up a campaign setting for an RPG in which most of the action takes place on a single large island, you have given me much to think about, and also affirmed much of what I have already done. Thank you for the video, and keep up the good work

[@cutegixie]

Islands in real life are fascinating enough, put them in a fictional world and my brain explodes with joy

[@Peecamarke]

X-Men and their island of Krakow have been a fascinating exploration of this topic

[@jackwriter1908]

On Worldbuilding: Let's talk about Fantasy Islands! Japan, New Zealand, Hawaii, Australia... You get the point.

[@chipmercury]

Thanks for this! I've been having difficulty building my island nation for my dnd homebrew setting, this is awesome