Once in a LIFETIME | The Genius of TONY WILLIAMS LIFETIME

[@manjay49]

I bought Emergency! In late 1969. I had seen and met Gene Krupa, Jimi 5x by then, Cream in 1967, Jeff Beck many times, Led Zep 5x. Buddy Rich Big Band, etc...But. When I saw TWL,with Jack on bass, it changed everything. They were at Ungano's in NY. I sat on the floor @ 5 feet fromn Tony's hi hat so I could see everything. That was it. He is still my favorite drummer , even though I have seen Billy with MO July 1972, Vinnie, Narada 1975. I love all those drummers. But Tony had the impact the connection the Emerency! Exactly! The Urgency.

[@markfuller8047]

I read a Jack Dejohnette interview where he explained he had jammed with McLaughlin and (I believe) John Surman in England while on a Charles Lloyd tour, informally recorded it. Tony had asked Sonny Sharrock to join Lifetime but Sonny thought the band was going to be 'too inside'. Upon hearing the Dejohnette jam tape he called John. When J.M. arrived in New York and immediately started rehearsing during the day with Larry and Tony, Tony had a couple weeks left with Miles performing in NYC, which is how John met Miles leading to his being asked to the In a Silent Way sessions. In a Silent Way recordings occurred just a couple weeks after Emergency was cut. Suffice to say it was a history-changing crossing of paths for everyone involved. What if Sonny Sharrock had said yes?

[@moonriverdiver]

The track that astonished me with Tony Williams rhythmic yet inventive drive was on the Miles' album Water Babies. Especially on Two Faced.

[@contrabandivory]

I purchased a copy of Once in a Lifetime in my 16th year, because I had heard Tony Williams on Jazz after Hours, a late night show on the local jazz radio station, most likely a Miles tune with a Tony Williams solo. So I went to seek out some Tony records and started reading the liner notes on the back, and because of my Rock upbringing I bought it, not knowing what it contained. It was not at all what I expected. It was psychedelic. Noisy, raw and brutal. It took many years for me to truly understand and appreciate this Masterpiece. Around the same time I had purchased Bright size life and Black Market, and Visit with hee great Spirit by Bob Moses, all inseparable albums in my collection. These along with Three of a perfect Pair, which I received two years prior, all contained a vast expanse of drumming prowess which I drew from immensely. Great topic, and video Andy.

[@manjay49]

Yes. Raw. Intense. Drums. Guitar. Hammond B3. My mind was spinning. I was a drummer. But also played guitar. They were *all* unbelievable. But the *sound* they made!!! That hissing slightly distorted sound of the record with very little low end. I love bass, but the fact that Larry was doing that plus all the chordl work and soloing as well...the ultimate 3 piece .

[@contrabandivory]

Spot on Jay. It’s like the liner notes read “ like nothing you have heard before or since”. When I realized how incredible this record was I would turn on a blue light and lay on my bed and let my mind drift, imagining the room they were recording in, and the lyrics, simple as they were still contained profundity. Where are you going? “ where am I going?” And sometimes people are quick to write them off. I prefer Tony’s beat style poetry delivery. And Larry Young Lawrence of Newark. So gifted. And the buzz and hum of McGofflin’s (Andy pronunciation, which I love) guitar is like charming a cobra. One of my top tens, no question.

[@gavinshaunbeck5486]

You are so right on this all you comments on Tony Williams. I'm so impressed on your knowledge about this release. Tony was also tired that Musicians came and steals the musicians that was in his band and this happened all the time. Tony died poor. A great drummer of all time.

[@jeffsimard8846]

This channel is such an achievement

[@johannhauffman323]

Great video Andy ! Lifetime was a favorite of a much younger me.

[@acornsonata]

Thanks for going deep on one of the best things ever recorded. Nothing else comes close .

[@nested_King]

I got it when it was new and I was 13 and it scared the hell out of this little drummer.

[@Rick-jg8vx]

No doubt emergency is groundbreaking but for listenability it’s his album with Alan Holdsworth titled believe it. That is the album that I continue to play with some regularity 50 years later it blew my mind then and still blows my mind.

[@nickbrink9857]

Listening to Lifetime this evening with new ears. Thank you. Young is fantastic. Williams fantastic. McLaughlin comes as expected from his Extrapolation album but louder. Thank you.

[@ericmckayrq]

Nice. I heard it when I was really young and wasn’t ready for it. Enjoying going through the lifetime discography

[@trabrex7697]

I saw them in 1970. They were backing up the byrds.

[@abbottkatz8830]

I saw the Lifetime at Slugs in the Far East in NY, and after having heard McLaughlin's rather sedate takes on In a Silent Way was astounded by his speed. The band's volume was by itself unremarkable; after all, even bad musicians can play loudly. But the supervening point is that these were great musicians playing loudly - a kind of brandishing of their talents, a you-can't-touch-this arrogation of the music.

[@geoguitar1950]

I thoroughly enjoyed this video so much. It took me back to my teens. I remember sitting 10 feet away from John McLaughlin and Jack Bruce in the Maryland, Glasgow on 9th November 1970. Gawd it was loud! I was in musical nirvanna! Some time later I had the same close-up view of Mr McLaughlin again when he played with Mahavishnu, Larry Goodman (ex Flock) was there too. (Kelvin Hall, Glasgow 18th June 1973). Both these bands were like nothing I'd ever heard before, or since. Incredible music of a still unmatched level and maturity from such young musicians. I feel blessed to have witnessed these bands in the flesh. Love your views on the bands and the albums. Keep on rockin' man!

[@HarryPrenger]

I have the original German pressing lps on Polydor. Volume 1 and 2. Two separate albums. But.... both sound really fantastic. Brutal agressive in your face live in the studio sound and especially the way McLaughlin plays blows your mind.

[@user-hr3nr3yd6w]

Got emergency in a charity shop when I was 18. Never looked back since

[@syn707]

It was great for a return to this group. It was needed.

[@urmero67]

Shout out to my Newark NJ boy Khalid Yasin. What can I say about Lifetime that hasn't been said here already... I just loved how T Williams took this aggressive kind of playing into his acoustic jazz bands.. especially live, Jazz drumming purists be going like tf??. Love the turn It Over Redux by B Laswell.

[@VincentBautista365]

Thank you for all the fantastic information.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Glad it was helpful!

[@flame-sky7148]

Did you see, they finally put a video out on Lifetime with Jack Bruce from the Beat Club (almost 10 min), perhaps more will follow.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Yes...I will do a video on this

[@flame-sky7148]

Awesome, as you know it’s about 4 tunes they play into one. Perhaps they will give us a couple more videos from their vault. 🤞

[@paulmartinson875]

Love the joy of flying and wilderness as well

[@TheOwl]

Great job Andy, first time I've really heard intelligent and insightful commentary on this pioneering band. 1) Definitely some of the most dark, brutal, violent early psychedelic fusion ever committed to tape. Change was in the air on a personal and societal level when this daring experiment launched. To hell with the Stanley Crouches and others of his ilk, these guys were bringing risk taking back in a very loud way. 2) Tony actually turned down a request from Miles for Lifetime to be his backup band. 3) Organist Larry Young was like no other B-3 player before or since, some called him the Coltrane of organ. The huge and sometimes terrifying sounds he coaxed out of a cranked up B-3 were such an important part of the band's sound. 4) I too found the singing VERY problematic and off-putting. Thankfully there weren't many vocal tracks. 5) Despite the subpar production, my favorite tracks in no order of preference: Sangria For Three Emergency Spectrum Big Nick A Famous Blues

[@garygomesvedicastrology]

If you like Young/Yasin, check out his Blue Note albums from Unity onward, and Lawrence of Newark. He is also on McLaughlin's Devotion album, with Billy Cox on bass and Buddy Miles on drums. The production is very dated, and Miles is a poor substitute for Williams, but it's worth a listen if only to hear Young and McLaughlin's development of sustain and guitar electronic modification. I read that Davis said to McLaughlin that he thought it was time for McLaughlin to form his own band; I can't help but wonder if this was Miles' way of subverting Lifetime. Other explanations I have heard for Lifetime's dissolution-that Tony didn't like how Larry Young dressed-don't make sense to me.

[@markcapofari8419]

McLaughlin had a number of charts that Miles would not use-had says used them in IMFlame - Ponty said same after MOII had tunes McLaughlin said hold fir his albums

[@garygomesvedicastrology]

That may be true Mark, but apparently Davis said that to McLaughlin when McLaughlin was in Lifetime, not with Davis.

[@fimble2]

Thanks Andy!… you just planned out my next hour or two on THAT album!! ✌️

[@mikedenallo6997]

this is perfect - thanks for doing this video

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Glad you liked it!

[@jojena_imm]

One of the most fascinating band projects never realized was the Quartet with Tony Williams, Miles Davis, Jimi Hendrix and Paul Mc Cartney. There must have been a message to Paul's management (was it 1969?) that the three black American musicians were going into the studio and wanted Paul to join them. It never happened. The intriguing question behind this is why three black musicians not particular fond of let’s say Obladi Oblada Melodies and permanent tambourine beatnikism were so desperate to play with a leading white pop Englishman (it sure wasn’t the money (alone)). It is possible that Jimi Hendrix as well as Miles Davis and certainly Tony Williams made the experience early on that Europeans approached them with much more respect. Even though England had a rough history of colonialism, there was a deep respect for the electric blues. Possibly young Englishmen themselves had the experience of seeing a liberation in music in a still-industrial England - people fled from the provinces with their lack of biographical possibilities into liberal and vibrant London. At the same time, it is gratifying to see Billy Preston join the Beatles during the recording of Let it Be, and suddenly the white reception of African-American music since John Mayall is totally lifted by the addition of a true Afro-American musician. The same is true of the Jimi Hendrix Experience. It's a phenomenon of transfer culture, of real diversity and emancipation following an universal goal. The combination of classical courtly romanticism (Hendrix Jackets reminiscent of Händel, Lord Brouncker and Lord Byron), electricity and blues, and impressionistic harmony is, after all, the founding mixture of Lifetime. Lifetime IS the unrealized mentioned quartet mark II: A Yorkshireman (Lord-Sir John McLaughlin, later followed by other Yorkshiremen saying „IOU“ to lifetime) a Scottish man (Jack Bruce) from the provinces meet two Black American Musicians from NYC and Chicago (Larry Young and Tony Williams). They finally realize what has a been a brief idea in the first place. It for sure was a genuine transatlantic and diverse mission, as loud and fast and new as the Concorde.

[@jibsmokestack1]

Maybe Tony just kept time on In Silent Way because that's what Miles asked him to do for that album?

[@stevesincock941]

Yes

[@ulyssesgrantgarnerjr6395]

Tony’s drumming approached was not formatted in the compositional design. He was piqued with Miles at the beginning of the session and displayed those emotions by “perfunctory slapping” at the drums. His throw away approach still demonstrated his uncanny intuition and musical integrity. Genius is genius.

[@garygomesvedicastrology]

Andy, Lifetime did influence other musicians, especially in the UK. For example, Brian Davison of the Nice saw Lifetime live and was stunned/gobsmacked by Williams' playing. He immediately went home and practiced more, and you can hear a change in Davison's playing, especially on the Nice's cover of Country Pie. A drummer friend of mine remarked that Davison sounded like a he had three hands. This could have signaled a more sophisticated rhythmic approach in the Nice's music has ELP never formed. Williams and Young/Yasin were universally admired. One note about the MC 5; in addition to doing fairly limited material, they also-like NRBQ-covered Sun Ra and were associated with John Sinclair, who was also connected with the free jazz community (usually but not always). Free Jazz and rock around 1968-1970 (starting as early as 1966 or so) were sometimes collaborating with each other. Gary Burton was one of the pioneers (with Coryell) of fusion, but his band was much quieter. By the way, Soft Machine was deafeningly loud, like Williams. They just sounded quieter because of the lack of guitar. I had a brief online exchange with Fred Frith about how gloriously dirty the early Tony Williams Lifetime's albums were. Frith loved that aspect of the band!

[@nested_King]

The closest anyone comes to the fury of Vuelta Abajo is the performance with Jack Bruce, John Medeski, Cindy Blackman, and Vernon Reid.

[@keithmoore1518]

Andy since you are big on theory, what if Jack Bruce had been the bass player for the "Emergency" album? Better still what if Dave Holland or Ron Carter had been chosen? My choice would have been Billy Rich, bass player from John's Devotion album who had also recorded with Jimi Hendrix. Tony liked working with Jack so I guess he would have been the one.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

what if jack had played bass in Mahavishnu and sung?

[@Duane-tl2zc]

Got a promo of "Emergency" and yes, it sounds as if the production & mix isn't quite the best but the effort and intentions are there.

[@Niels133]

Bought the very good Bernie Worrell album, Blacktronic Science ( after I saw it on your YT channel) Tony Williams plays there very good.

[@kzustang]

Great video. Great topic. Thanks.

[@langton666]

Lifetime is the Black Sabbath of jazz

[@amasvodka]

The often overlooked key to understanding the first two The Tony Williams Lifetime albums is in the artwork of (Turn It On), which is an exact copy of The Velvet Underground's White Light/White Heat album. It's jazz fused with proto-punk rock, not progressive rock, and even Tony's way of singing mimics Lou Reed's iconic heroin-snarl.

[@aljo54]

Williams (rip) and Young gods. I never see or hear mentioned TW's album 'The Old Bum's Rush', which very different to the trio albums, but very likeable.

[@Hartlor_Tayley]

Great insights. I haven’t listened to much Lifetime recently. I was into them back in the seventies but like you said I was also coming from a Mahavishnu perspective

[@davidwylde8426]

Loved the Herbie Hancock quote. Andy, you should deep dive into Ren. I came across you both at a similar time. The guy is seriously impressive and because their isn't an 'overt' route between you, the dichotomy and juxtaposition between the both of you could lend itself to a 'reaction vid' that could help your channel, which I'd love to see. He meets your 'English Aesthetic' requirements as well. He's artistically impeccable. Game that algorithm ...'Prog head reacts to Ren' ...'Jazzer reacts to Ren' etc etc The guy is 'deservedly' blowin up. I've seen channels ride his wave who just haven't got the insight that you have. Could be a disaster but I'd expect a match made in heaven

[@dennismason3740]

In 1975 I owned 99 albums and one of them was Lifetime's Emergency. I also owned Bitch's Brew and In a Silent Way. Emergency was a bit of a specific flavor and groove (which Tony always played in) that I rarely listened to. It filled a very specific gap in music that begged to be transcended. Billy Cobham stepped up quite nicely.

[@garygomesvedicastrology]

Vuelta Abajo is brilliant. Great job, Andy.

[@stefanredin854]

Very well analyzed, Andy 👍 Anyway, nice haircut mate 👍😊

[@RichardBaubau]

Its interesting to think about the Fillmore East version of Spoonful on Wheels of Fire by Cream in terms of where that fits into these definitions. On that performance were Cream playing rock, blues or jazz????It was an outstanding jam that predated jazz rock. Btw jazz rock supposedly had its birth with Mike Nocks band caled The Fourth Wish. Nock is still alive and well in Sydney , Austrakia

[@wylieroth3145]

Yup.

[@LPerezDancer]

Viewing both sides of the progressive Rock music coin; Lifetime was to Jazz Rock what ITCOTCK was to Symphonic Rock; both exploding onto the progressive Rock music scene in 1969. IIRC Emergency! was released before Bitches Brew and was certainly much more progressive Rock than BB

[@FawleyJude]

I got into Miles in '70 when I bought Bitches Brew. Then I saw an article in Newsweek (my parents had a subscription) about Tony Williams. The description of the music--the volume, the feedback, the drum pyrotechnics--caused me to head to the record store and order a copy of Emergency (of course they didn't have itin stock in the store). Williams said in the article that he ws wanting to see how much the wudience could take. He meanst that in terms of creativity and openness to new sounds. That's great art but bad marketing. Anyway, Emergency was the only album I listened to for months, really revelatory. And Turn It Over has the most aggressive rock drumming anywhere. The whole album is more aggressive than Emergency, maybe in part because McLaughlin got hooked up with an actual electric guitar wherea on Emergency he was playing an acoustic Gibson Hummingbird fixed up with a a pickup. So I didn't come to Lifetime from a Mahavishnu frame of reference, I was listening to it before there was a Mahavishnu. And while I got into the incredible virtuosity of Mahavishnu, it hasn't held up for me musically while Lifetime is vital every time I listen to it.

[@eelamite]

shts nostalgic aff. it's actually hard for me to listen to it bc it makes me.. idk howto explain it but it's one of those albums you come across in your life that wher eu cant listen to it too much cos it's so repcious

[@martinjames672]

As a poor to middling drummer, if i could I would be a rabid hybrid mix of the following - snare, cymbals and bass drum Tony, toms Billy Cobham, theatrical interpretation of Narada MW, musical application of Ringo, and arrangement capability of Buddy Rich 😂, oh if only!

[@davestephens6421]

John Mcloflin again😂!!!!

[@armandom28]

I’m pretty sure he’s doing it on purpose now….for more comments……

[@naderzekrya5238]

Mclaughlin himself says "Mcloflin" !

[@armandom28]

@@naderzekrya5238 no he doesn't

[@stefanredin854]

Looking forward

[@davidwylde8426]

The title's origin literally just came up on your vid as I commented lol you may well still love the Heads of course

[@arnaudb.7669]

Soft Machine " Third" is also an interesting case.

[@user-hr3nr3yd6w]

I've got the original double album if you'd like to buy it

[@davidwylde8426]

Looks good. Collins once called him the greatest drummer alive I believe.

[@Emlizardo]

Thanks so much for discussing this very important band, Andy. Unfortunately they did have a troubled existence - poorly recorded, mismanaged, misunderstood. You mentioned Bill Laswell's remix of Turn It Over. I think Laswell's Last Exit is one band that maybe did - later - pick up the gauntlet first thrown down by Tony Williams Lifetime, and brought that kind of revolutionary aggression to electrified, improvised music.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Yes....that is a good example

[@herculesrockefeller8969]

A tribute to LIfetime is the album Saudades by Scofield, Larry Goldings, and Jack Dejohnette. They do a good version of "Big Nick". Thanks, Andy!

[@garygomesvedicastrology]

This, to me, at least, is the seminal fusion album. I loved MO, but but they were far more slick than Lifetime. I saw both live (TWL with Bruce and McLaughlin). Few could hear on record how unique Young/Yasin was on organ. Most Organists could not successfully copy him because he was doing something completely unprecedented. Both great bands, but Tony was just, to me, beyond anything that preceded it or came after it. Soft Machine Volume 2 and 3rd had a similar approach, that is often overlooked. About Stanley Crouch (and Marsalis) had problems with "free jazz" because neither could cut it in that field. Crouch was, for a time, a free jazz drummer who played out of Sam Rivers' Rivbea. It is alleged that Wynton Marsalis didn't pass an audition with Sun Ra, which must have been a blow to his ego. So they both turned on free jazz and ANY new changes. McLaughlin had a really low grade guitar when he played with Lifetime; he modified his playing style to be more consistent with rock expectations. McLaughlin's playing seems to change when he is paired with Larry Coryell on Spaces. I think a great many people overlook Coryell's influence on McLaughlin's development. By the way, McLaughlin wasn't the only person Miles brought from the UK-he also brought over the incredible Dave Holland, one of the most amazing bass players I have ever seen live. Only Cecil McBee and Dave Izenson could match Holland. You're absolutely right; this album deserves a reevaluation. I would recommend reevaluation of the Soft Machine 2-4 as breakthrough albums. Also, the third Lifetime album, Ego, didn't have McLaughlin, but that means Young takes the helm as the main soloist. It's much more like a progressive rock album of the time and much better recorded and produced. Worth a listen, IMHO.

[@narosgmbh5916]

Lifetime Montreux 1971

[@devereauxclandestine1272]

Great albums in spite of the poor production on 'Emergency'. Interesting factoid - Before recruiting McLaughlin Tony originally offered Sonny Sharrock the guitar chair. Sharrock declined saying he 'didn't want to play rock' n 'roll' .

[@flame-sky7148]

Back when the band played in 1969-1970, people said that band scared everybody. So you're correct, peoples reference point is Mahavishnu then they sort of skip over Lifetime and look at the Miles Davis's first two fusion albums. In retrospect, Tony should have signed with CBS (the same record company Miles was with at the time). I think one of the issues of the LP "Once in a Lifetime" is that it doesn't include the track "Right On" (Turn it Over), which is in my opinion the greatest thing that they ever did on record, everybody is on fire. It's short but here it is: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKeymGWklrtlaM0

[@colinburroughs9871]

I dunno who the actual best drummer is, but Tony Williams is in that group

[@fimble2]

Maybe they were angry? And raging against ‘the machine’?

[@user-hr3nr3yd6w]

Thanks for all your vids but how about John zorn?

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qn2zmo2Egbakhck

[@user-hr3nr3yd6w]

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer thanks for that. It didn't appear on your KZbin listing. I have about 150 Zorn albums so I didn't think choosing just 5 would be easy! All your 5 would be in my top 1o though plus Painkiller and electric Masada and a couple oft the Film works series. One thing that stuck me is that that since Spillane I don't think he's used any black musicians. Some attempt to move away from the blues tradition into a Jewish one? Appreciate you sending me the link and keep up the good work thanks. Oh one other thing, Cobham up there with the greatest for me for sure butt Joey Baron is the one for me. Totally different style but more musical. Not the best ever because that's silly but entertained me more than any other over the last 40 years or so. As your a drummer I'd like to hear your thoughts (maybe there's a video I've missed?) Cheers

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

@@user-hr3nr3yd6w I don't have that many Zorn albums so it was easier for me. Once saw Joey Baron do a solo drums concert. He opened by playing underneath the snare with his hands. He is an incredible drummer. Love him on Grand Guinol

[@user-hr3nr3yd6w]

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer saw Baron with Zorn and Laswell. Light fittings fell on stage, maybe cos the vibration was so deep. Just kept on going:)

[@johnpick8336]

Miles was accessible and fresh. Tony Williams was recycling tired done by many tunes.

[@stefanredin854]

Yeah!

[@henrybayliss458]

Who is John Magofflin ?

[@tookmyjob]

I found Turn It Over on vinyl in college (circa 2000) and I couldn't believe what I was hearing. It was jazz turning into metal. The Turn It Over remix album was pretty disappointing to me, and I always wish Emergency sounded better.

[@davidwylde8426]

Can't help but think the title might be referencing 'The Talking Heads' track. I would expect you to find that track musically and lyrically brilliant, (could well be projection on my part).

[@narosgmbh5916]

Very good introduction. There is a Joe Chambers admission that it drove Tony Williams crazy thatcthe industry wasn't pushing him the way it was pushing McLaughlin. Chambers refers to the fact that the industry and the critics could not do anything with a drummer as a leader.

[@bertkarlsson1421]

Andy, do you like Gryphon and Renaissance?

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

I like Gryphon, but Renaissance not so much

[@adnilrummut105]

the japanese versions of *emergency* sound better and even crazier 🙂

[@Benji306]

The SHM CD Version?

[@adnilrummut105]

@@Benji306 POCJ 1983, cd released in japan 1991

[@Benji306]

@@adnilrummut105 Thank you, I have the SHM, have you heard that one? what's your opinion. I think it sounds decent considering.

[@adnilrummut105]

@@Benji306 sorry no, when was the shm one published?

[@Benji306]

@@adnilrummut105 2011, my guess is the same masters were used from the 1997 issue.

[@shovedhead]

Listened to Emergency! recently and found the vocals to be a lot less cringe than previously.

[@mikehirsh1896]

Emergency was horribly remixed in 1991 on CD ... I heard Laswell had the multi tracks for that album but for some reason he either did it or not but he didn't release it for some reason ... The 1991 CD sounds different and the engineer who should no;t of done it explained all the problems of the recording the worse part was funny enough the bass drum is distorted on every song ... But for some reason the mix wasn't tame it was just muddy worse then the original 69 mix ... I wish to God Laswell or someone in 2023 could do it right ... The first album that I heard was in fact a sealed copy of Once in a lifetime does it sound better then the original maybe in the mastering I don' t think it was remixed like the 1991 one.... Some complain about the mix for Turn It over and what's the complaint... lol the bass drum because it sounds nothing like it does on the original mix... Laswell added something to it to make it smoother or something but I remember sort of agreeing with that statement but hell it;s awesome no matter what... I wish they would put out that unreleased album from 1974 so far it's a bootleg ....

[@mikehirsh1896]

Also I loved the albums the second I heard them ....

[@fimble2]

Why do you think Lifetime’s Emergency album was so-badly managed and promoted Andy?

[@garypowell1540]

I find the use of the word genius highly problematic. To me players are just players. They are either very good at it or not so good at it. Genius should only be applied to creative components such as composers, directors, producers or witters and hardly ever to players or performers, if ever. I am simply not qualified to decide how genuinely creative Tony Williams was so I dare not comment on him specifically. As a general rule players don't overly impress me so much, especially those of the jazz variety as I don't get it and I don't think I ever will. To me pure Jazz is not even music as I understand it. The more Jazzy the more it sounds like mindless self indulgent crap from a bunch of clever show offs to me. Impressive skills no doubt, but otherwise perfectly meaningless nonsense.