One DMG Set! Easy to Rune, F2P Dragons Abyss Hard with Kyle/Dhalsim - Summoners War

[@Seiishizo]

After some great comments, I would like to add the following info: Loren def break is 75% per, not 100, i was mistaken in that. Therefore she's that reliable on def breaking. 2 Options to solve this issue. 1: Give Accuracy to Kyle to have him def break as well. The closer to 65 the better. 2: Give Shaina a try in the slot of Julie. That way she will def break for you and I'm pretty sure the team still works as it almost worked with 4 units anyways as well.

[@krisnaa8238]

u missed in 4 monster team, it because with 4 monster, you missed 3 set fight rune, not the passif from the monster

[@Seiishizo]

@@krisnaa8238 fair point

[@MulyonoRAJA]

If you want all buff to Kyle Just Kyle with 6★

[@Faradeth1111]

How about a shaina instead of jullie sure she wont use skill 2 on the waves also but when she does its fast and it would help with the dragon resistance

[@Nunnonoo]

I dont understand, my team has same speed tuning as you have but it always either teon interrupts after kono or mini bosses attacks.. We have same speed tuning but this one happens 😂 i dont get it

[@liviat2946]

Just did the math for loren def break chance, it is just roughly 95% on s1 and 87% on s2. For comparison, shaina has a 97.7% chance on s1/s2. However, shaina would require the fast kyle for the double boost strategy to work unfortunally i guess.

[@Seiishizo]

ah thats actually lower than expected :O

[@TrueHunter999]

My kyle has a bit of accuracy on subs, so he acts as a secondary def breaker and it actually saves some runs

[@Seiishizo]

that is a good option as well. since you dont need to heavy overkill anyways

[@TheBigLeChowski]

After using a verd/vero/spectra team for a long time, that water dhalsim team cut my 30x time in half, so thanks!

[@ylo1002]

i personaly use the kyle kona teon loren team but i put the fire ciri as a second damage dealer and its fast and consistent

[@Seiishizo]

didn't know that team but heard some people talk about it in the comments yea

[@Kain_Highwind_]

I know I'm quite late, but I want to give some informations for those who have Deborah, but don't have Liam or +101 SPD on Water Dhalsim/Kyle like me: bring along Fire Ciri/Magic Order Swordsinger! She deals the same damage as Luna with a Rage-Blade 220 cri dmg and +1900 atk Rage-Blade build, I can confirm 94 rate is 100 with +54 SPD (I still don't know how much crit rate you get from her passive but I confirm mine gets to 100). If your Dhalsim is strong enough to get the Dragon on 30% HP or below, it's GUARANTEED for Fire Ciri to finish off the Dragon with skill 2, which also has a cooltime of 2 turns, and this makes both her skill and her AI perfect. The only handicaps in this team are Dhalsim's behavior (not using skill 2 often and the boss' HP not reaching 30% or less) and Shaina's abysmal chance to miss def break, it's kinda unlikely you can lose with this team, tho, which is Water Dhalsim/Kyle (L), Shaina, Konamiya, Deborah and Fire Ciri.

[@Larkian]

9:20 on the Julie team, Loren moving first makes Julie to kill one crystal so Kyle saves 2/4 attacks total depending if the def break was on the small or big crystal

[@potatomatop9326]

As a f2p with limited xtals, i'll stick with my sub minute cairos teams and sub 27 solo r5 hahahaha. Bros, watching nephthys, 7rix, nora, rica and vero, auto toa hard in less that 2 hours is satisfying lol.

[@soulawaken24]

Yea for F2Ps there's no point going for super faster teams. Better to go for 50s-60s teams with no chance of failing even if Loren miss def break.

[@JerkyMcAsshole]

​@@soulawaken24 you can be f2p, farm daily with sub 30 second teams and still be at a crystal surplus. You just need to also do the other content that rewards crystals. I dislike the notion that being f2p means you have no crystals. Playing casually and skipping crystal rewarding content is what makes you low on crystals.

[@xingxong899]

what teams ur using my rune quali is to bad for speedteams

[@potatomatop9326]

@@xingxong899 i'm f2p but a reroll abuser. i'm using zerath, shaina, martina, luna and liam. Zerath first then shaina, martina, luna then liam last.

[@Muhib1]

Finally saw a comment from a sensible f2p player. i agree man these 30 seconds insane teams are not for f2p players like us. i am also f2p with limited Crystals and i am happy with my 1+ minute teams

[@Steven-jj4oo]

I still like my 50 sec-1 min run which is 100% coz I auto farm while working so I don't want it so fast. Howevee, having faster team is still good when the 0 energy events are up

[@Ray-YiWang]

what are the speed setting with lucifer, Kyle, 2 birds and loren. Ive been trying but his passive makes it hard

[@Линт]

I think Shihwa would be better option that Miriam. But another res check.

[@diegonicolas5275]

Great video! Quick question: is it possible to speed-tune the team by using Shaina instead of Loren?

[@Seiishizo]

nope you need the loren pushback, but you could replace julie for Shaina

[@Kain_Highwind_]

The biggest handicap is Loren herself. If she fails her def break, the run goes bye bye. I don't even mention gambling with Deborah's skill 2.

[@GrassZeplin]

I wish they release a poison master tmog with fast animations

[@JustAnotherGamerNL]

I actually use the kyle, julie, loren double bird team but I still get quite a few losses because of loren def break resist. Sometimes I can't even finish my 30 run because of that.

[@darylmarfonseca3191]

My Kona don't give turn to Kyle, she gave to the Teon! I don't know what i'm doing wrong. Loren SPD: 253, Julie: 206, Kyle: 197, Teon: 195 and Kone: 193.

[@joshdillon9637]

Mine is doing the same thing.

[@UGPelement]

11:19 - nyaaa

[@BruteBoris]

Could you try this with the Fire hammer girl instead of teon or Kona? Think you will always kill that midboss and boss with 4 attacks from Kyle

[@baptistec.1718]

Does it work ?

[@blazingsfire5889]

15:20 you say its 100% rate but isnt loren passive only 75?

[@Seiishizo]

good point, i was wrong in that. for some reason i thought it was a 100

[@MoStUniQu3]

@@Seiishizo would shaina be more reliable then ?

[@liviat2946]

​@@MoStUniQu3​ Shaina should be a more reliable defbreaker then loren, yes. However, the double boost strategy relies most likely on the loren pushback i think. With shaina you probably need kyle on the speed mentioned in the deborah version of the video or the boss will cut. If you have liam, you can also throw him in there. That way you also dont need a fast kyle. Shaina + liam fails roughly once every 30 runs due to missed def break on boss.

[@hugosechet6216]

I got a problem on the speed tune of this team : Kyle Kona Teon Julie and Loren. My teon cut my kyle when Kona resurge him. my kyle is at +63 my kona +71 and teon is at +57. Can you guys tell me what's wrong?

[@Seiishizo]

look at the julie and loren speed

[@taclan03]

I made the Julie version, and I can't speed tune my Kyle to move before the crystals on midboss. My Loren is at +128, my Julie at +88, my Kyle at +62 and my Kona is at +64, so I have all the speeds required for this, but somehow it doesn't work. Does someone know if I missed something ? I watched the whole video multiple times, especially the speed tuning explanation, and I still don't know what to do.

[@taclan03]

Okay I found the answer : if you use a swift set for Kyle he needs to have at least +63 speed so he can play before the crystals

[@Muhib1]

i am having the same issue i even boosted my Kyle to +66 speed still he doesn't move before crystals in mid boss i am Getting tired 😢

[@parca1756]

i saw this team from a youtube channel called "F2P Player" (great channel hehe). they used a very fast loren + fire ciri (max hp damage) + kyle + 2 garuda. the title of the video is "FIRE CIRI + DOUBLE GARUDA = F2P DRAGON ABYSS HARD SPEED TEAM !!! SUMMONERS WAR" amazing concept actually

[@Seiishizo]

interesting team yea. too bad that currently the dragon has a lot of defense so a kyle will probably do better on similar set

[@parca1756]

@@Seiishizo no, the team still has a kyle. the fire ciri is there as a 5th slot to help kill the boss

[@jensiwaa]

that is the team I currently use for dragons, works pretty well, though loren and kyle both missing the def break still makes it fail of course

[@danielagusto2276]

@@parca1756 kinda like being the water swordmaster thingy ?

[@Seiishizo]

@@parca1756 ah interesting, didn't see that one

[@Shammyy1]

For some reason my Kyle just doesnt do anywhere near your kyles damage, even when you're missing a rune. I am missing 1 fight set but my kyle has +1923 atk 88CR and 216CD

[@MidDetonados]

i see a video about kyle kona teon shaman and +1 in dg and giant but he talked about need 88+ on kyle, and in i dont have dmg to kill crystal with skill 1 and no atk buff

[@jrbtrucking1587]

Can someone help me I spd tune my team exactly like this in the video but my Kyle doesn’t attack again before the crystals on mid boss why is this happening

[@Seiishizo]

because you didn't watch the spd tuning explanation

[@914Striker]

Awesome runes. I am at around 40 seconds with luci and can't get my speed tuning with 2 birds down. No idea how to fix it. It's always with my 2nd bird, luci will push up so my 2nd bird boosts my first build. Any suggestions?

[@Seiishizo]

i'm not sure if lucifer atb boost might be too much. or that the speed tuning on early moving units is wrong

[@914Striker]

@@Seiishizo I haven't tried to keep spacing it out further or not. Think when I tested I was around 8 speed difference. I might make the gap bigger but I ended up swapping out Loren with Shaina. Can finish dragon before he goes if luci does s1

[@WinterSnaper]

if Kyle spams S1 then this team fails too, sad that RNG is so bad in this game

[@popyrubijanto1235]

Kyle need 100% crit rate or just like 75-80 enough?

[@renatosimoes9173]

He only needs 85%. You want to crit on Dragon 100% of time, so anything under 85 is a no go.

[@lloyd1559]

the trash waves have no-attribute, so if miss crit on those things does not disturb your run, just go ahead

[@suleymanylmaz15]

thanks

[@davidrojas-n9t]

Carmella the fire cyborg has a skill that def break 100%... Would it work?

[@Seiishizo]

doesn't always uses skill 3 tho

[@duemex]

I still miss 3 skill ups on kyle s3 ahhh for month

[@legolasrox1]

is use this team but with shaina instead of loren, she helps to keep faster than use loren, and is easyer to def break 34seg average

[@IMVP]

What speed are your units as my tuning is messing up with the birds and Kyle?

[@legolasrox1]

@@IMVP is runing perfect kylle hás 90 speed

[@legolasrox1]

Kylle 90 teon 91 kona 83 that way they hit 2 times before The dragon hit. So IF shaina miss The def break u still can kill The dragon

[@مسترعبدالمقصود]

Isnt neostone agents(wind and light)got second skill like the birds 2 turns only?

[@Seiishizo]

they are yea! forgot about them, however im not sure if they would always s2 on low atb it might that they would s3

[@مسترعبدالمقصود]

@@Seiishizo i guess it will be worth a shot but do they get there s3 when awaked like birds!

[@momenrabia8620]

What's the name of the website?

[@matmail206]

My birds buff Loren only and my team fails because of the AI

[@Fahootaef]

Shaina in final slot maybe?Gotta try this out

[@Seiishizo]

could work as well yea to help for armorbreak

[@Maxbird123]

Does euldong and Deb pass work together?

[@Seiishizo]

yea why wouldn't it

[@EfrenPaulViray]

Can you use 2 kona if no teon?

[@Seiishizo]

can't use dupes in abyss

[@EfrenPaulViray]

@@Seiishizo ow yeah. Totally forgot. Thanks!

[@johancastano277]

Already built this team is at f2p player channel

[@Seiishizo]

he's mentioned in the description

[@johancastano277]

​@@Seiishizocool

[@mortezagames3321]

Sheiishizo and F2P really couldn't be used in the same sentence.

[@jefhendrickx4721]

Give me some runes seii 😊

[@Seiishizo]

at the end of the video i run this team with 5 runes on kyle :P you don't need crazy runes to run this

[@jefhendrickx4721]

@@Seiishizohaha I know I only need the fight runes

[@jefhendrickx4721]

@@Seiishizois there a replacement for Loren bc she misses a lot 😂

[@Seiishizo]

not really no :< the pushback+ armorbreak is too unique

[@gametofly7643]

@@jefhendrickx4721 Bella, but I don’t think her push back is consistent