Has Dungeonborne Been Abandoned?

[@johnniewilliams2319]

I do think it's funny that there is little bump in the dungeonborne player count that looks to be about where patch 69 was

[@Dr.Medicine44]

More sad than funny, but i get what you mean.

[@wubnoxious]

my god I just remembered the twitch wars about which game was better, so many people timed out 💀

[@nerderousrampage]

You're absolutely correct that competition drives innovation but there is also something to be said about loving what your creating. Some of the developers of dark and darker literally work for days straight (for better or worse -SDF). You can really tell that they absolutely love what they are producing and that they aren't SOLELY motivated by money which is why I think that all of the dark and darkers "clones" have fallen by the wayside. Most of those projects were established in order to corner a section of the market or to capitalize on the fact that Dark and Darker had been removed from Steam, not to provide a quality product. This isn't a dig at the developers of Dungeonborne, their product was by far the best attempt at a legitimate Dark and Darker "clone" but even with Tencent money behind their studio (and what was undoubtedly a far larger dev team) they STILL failed to deliver a product that felt as good IN DUNGEON as Dark and Darker (for all its flaws). I really did like some of the systems that were in Dungeonborne, its menu system and the overall feel of the maps as far as appearance and map design, as well as the new player onboarding. One thing that as a Dark and Darker player I didn't enjoy was that they were constantly underhandedly (or sometimes openly) insulting not just Ironmace but specifically some of the developers in their marketing and patch notes. I really hope that Dungeonborne doesn't completely die, I think that both games should exist so that they push each other to be the best version of themselves.

[@Nullianak]

Shame. I'm just an incredibly infrequent player of the genre, but I really liked the game. I liked the classes.

[@WeHaveSomuchHeart]

Lmao

[@dotEXCEI_]

@@WeHaveSomuchHeart whats so funny about not having much free time?

[@WeHaveSomuchHeart]

@@dotEXCEI_ You misunderstood why I laughed Infrequent player of the genre has opinions on game play of genre is why I laughed I see it's not like hilarious or anything but it made me chuckle

[@PULI3r]

I loved dungeonborne, but stopped playing it because of the incompetent devs and their class-balancing choices, as well as changes to matchmaking. Dnd has a similar issue regarding priorities when nerfing/buffing classes, however, it never clicked with me, but I do understand why many would prefer it over db.

[@ryuukoi9678]

I would love to play dungeonborne again, but the queue time is abysmal. I can never find a match with green to blue gear. They need to bring back the old queue system but keeping the gear restrictions. Also, the special boss fights specifically speaking the purple gate...

[@isayaragnes8066]

It really sad when you think about it. We as consumers would benefit from having a good healthy competition to DaD. As of now we just have no alternatives in the genre and no way to see if some mechanics work better. I think I speak for the majority when I say that DaD has issues with design and vision and would benefit from having a competitor that does experiments with the gameplay instead of having us go through iterations and rollbacks of mechanics.

[@carterfn5939]

I 100% agree with the competition comment I hope something comes up to keep things innovative. When two or three studios are working their asses off to come up with creative ideas the ideas will always be more fruitful then just one company

[@der_Molle]

Yet all Dungeonborne players have always said: Dungeonborne will destroy DARK and DARKER. It's better. DARK and DARKER is dead!😂

[@MJSpin1]

Dark and darker destroyed itself, didn't need a flimsy attempt from dungeonborne 😅

[@hobosnake1]

Pretty sure those were paid advertisers. I don't think people ever thought these games were good.

[@ramisama88]

yeah not a single person i know or streamer i watched said that they all genuinely hated dungeonborn i didnt even try touching it they missed the audience from 1 clip i saw and that was the fighter whirlwind that was way too cartoony for this market its not what the dads are looking for

[@Wavy_Gravy]

DaD is dead. SDF ruined it because he doesn't know how to run a company.

[@Wavy_Gravy]

​@@MJSpin1Amen

[@AlphaMelGibson]

DB devs actually made an effort in terms of patching the game(at first) and delivering something "ok" on launch. My non dad playing friends thought it might last, but the reality was that they did it for $$$, no matter how competent they are as devs and how much they are willing to put into it... I allways knew the first serious population dip will end DB. The choice for the game design and anti-DaD marketing made it clear they just jumped on the hype train. DaD went through many valleys in order to prove that its TRULY a passion project.

[@wanderingwind9601]

I think the reason these games keep failing and why dark and darker isn’t growing is because they all focus far too much on PvP. Dark and Darker can’t be fantasy Fortnite. It can’t just become a shooter with bows. People want to play the game for the class fantasy of myriad classes and the dungeon crawling experience. The PvP can be a fun feature, but if it’s the sole focus, the game just doesn’t have legs. If a game comes out with much greater PvE focus, I believe it finds far more success than Dark and Darker.

[@NightclubPegasus1]

It puts a smile on my face to see naught but a mimic slain.

[@wolfmirebacta8710]

Of course, the game I actually liked died. What a shame. It was fun, playing death knight was loads of fun especially when it came to their grab. But I'm also not really shocked

[@Nemissis4265]

And we get f boys like this who are paid and never played the game tying to hate it lmfao its fkn hilarious

[@Hemlock_XXreal]

dungeon borne is good. i liked it. dark and darker was just always better. sorry brother. much love

[@mxtt2004]

i tired playing for the first time yesterday and waiting for like 30 min to find a game and didnt

[@evarhart]

Same

[@pillo17]

They got tencent in the back but a company like tencent stop the money if you dont have the results. I start to distrust the company when was named PROJECT CRAWL, why? cause i was on their discord (like 200-300 people max) asking about where they come from, who are the people in the studio and relly basic things with no answer.

[@DimeszTV]

The issue with dungeon borne it was just who has the best gear, atleast in dark and dark you can take out shitty players in high end gear with nothing

[@creepyoutdoors4451]

GREAT VIDEO ONE PEG. i think dungeonbornes success depended on dark and darkers failure. they made the game hoping nexon would take dark down, lets be real i could never compete

[@ayyylma0]

Truly nothing of value was lost.

[@gunbrick7414]

Ironmace had already, at the time where dungeonborne had comparable numbers and posed an actual threat to Dark and Darker, gotten stale. Number-patches that lead to nowhere, content being delayed to no end and PvP and PvE being completly seperated entities. They already looked like Headless chickens with no actual idea what to do. With the departure of their last proper competitor i dont expect things to change. If anything, then for the worse.

[@dickie6720]

I remember Dungeonborne's rhetoric when it first started and they immediately rubbed me the wrong way. Throwing shade at Dark and Darker that wasn't even based in truth, just misconceptions being taken advantage of. I want there to be competition, but Dungeonborne devs dont deserve my time or money as they certainly lost my respect damn near immediately.

[@milayaprincessa]

game name at 0:37?

[@Dr_Bloodbain]

He's literally saying the name at that timestamp...

[@maviardiv1749]

I'm still waiting for a Dark and Darker with Chivalry 2/Mordhau combat. I like DnD, but the combat is a little simple.

[@Lord_Jorne]

Is this the AI video

[@cthulu7016]

it's a shame, honestly felt like dungeonborne was waaaaaaaay nicer with the pacing. Didn't feel as fucking slow or campy.

[@tzugumi]

I went to their discord and got permanently banned for asking why the game had 2 digit playercounts

[@characterK]

I'm concerned for DnD too. Each wipe spike is lower and lower. Arrow pointing down ever since steam release.

[@mythcrafts]

only reason I only played dungeonborne for only two games is the combat, its too weird and bad, as soon as I saw how combat felt in the game I uninstalled it

[@LordDruez]

legacy is similiar to D&D, but with a wow feeling to it. It is pretty cool as well. 3rd person.

[@cuddlybear781]

I only play Dark and Darker now because Dungeonborne was killed by it's own developers. What Dungeonborne had was so much better than Dark and Darker for me personally. Everything about the game felt better. I would uninstall Dark and Darker in a heartbeat if Dungeonborne was actually playable, even with no players and just myself in the match, because the game feel was just so much better.

[@OstrichBanana]

Dungeonbourne was never competition

[@ryuukoi9678]

Not trying to make an argument but it could have been with proper management. I think they were too quick on trying to make money instead of balancing the game which is what killed the game in my opinion, the gear system and legendary items that could be insured without consequences also the unbalanced of some classes. But at the end of the day it could have been a great competitor to Dark and Darker which would have pushed both game forward to make improvements. Me personally I like the monthly inventory wipe Dungeonborne does not have that which makes it scary to run geared especially in all purple.

[@guixanyr]

i disagree. Dungeonbourne had tons of player even more than d n d for a few months till the servers got ddosed everyday.

[@Asalent]

@@guixanyr Not true, it never had more players than DAD; The comparison never even took into account the blacksmith launcher combined with Steam. That argument was never an honest one.

[@guixanyr]

@ Very true i checked based on the in game players not on steam alone.

[@guixanyr]

Dungeonborne was doing better than dark n darker for a while till the servers kept getting attacked everyday and every match was laggy as hell.

[@seadee2834]

I got banned in the dungeonborne server for "homophobia". I guess what I said could be misconstrued, but I wasn't even given an opportunity to explain. I'm an oce player, and I was in the thread where you sign to notify the devs about the desire for an OCE server. There was a NA bloke in there, who was replying to every message and just derailing the conversation - making the entire thread a mess. Everyone was telling him to stop, but he kept going, even reaching the point where he was telling OCE player to go to ANOTHER THREAD. So I said, "This is like going to a gay pride event and trying to make it about road rage, then telling the gays to go somewhere else when they rightfully get upset." I got banned. I guess the mod interpreted "the gays" as hate speech, even though I was referring to myself and other OCE players as "the gays", and more importantly was highlighting the fact the NA guy was telling the very people the event/thread was made for, to go away. Without any other way to appeal (I was interested in the game and hoping for oce server), I went to the subreddit. I made a post and explained everything, in which I was unbanned by another mod. I rejoined, people in the thread asked what happened so I explained, then not even an hour later I was rebanned by the first mod. That first mod then also took to reddit and banned me there too. I don't know if the mod has anything to do with the dev team, but since then I have been praying on the downfall of this game. Just so that mod loses his small bit of power he so desperately needs. P.S the mod called himself "Sex" or "Creator of Sex". Tells you a lot about the type of person he is.

[@363zemo4]

he banned me to i tould him what i did whit his mother

[@Mustacheoro]

I think dungeonborne actually released at a bad time. Dark and Darker, at the time, felt better to play than it had in a while. If Dungeonborne released on the day of patch 69, it may have been a different story.

[@kesun3148]

game felt abandoned from the day it launched into early access it only bled and bled. the Band-Aids the devs tried to apply were always late and missing the actual issues that game had. poor sloppy balancing combined with no real incentive to interact with any of the PvE rotted away till the devs went AWOL

[@martinoflyon3626]

the game was really good the reason why its dead is because they nerfed classes that were bad and buffed classes that were already strong theu balanced around escape rate not kda or dmg done they went completly opposite of what the community wanted . tencent saw the numbers drop and were like we made our money abandon ship.

[@JustFishBait]

that is literally how dark and darker is balanced. Rank has nothing to do with PVP ( its about ratting and looting and escaping )....And strong classes are the only ones getting constant buffs. So that isnt the reason dungeon borne died.

[@martinoflyon3626]

@@JustFishBait then what is ?

[@JustFishBait]

@@martinoflyon3626 dad is the first of its kind. and will always be #1 in the genre to most people, so.. "Why play dungeonborn when DAD exists?" "why play ABI when tarkov exists" its that simple.

[@martinoflyon3626]

@JustFishBait im not playing either at the moment both due to balance

[@martinoflyon3626]

soooo ... seems like balance is the reason

[@TheRazeryan]

Good video. Funny, I knew it was going to be like Ring of Elysium. Cool game, but not better than it's direct competition.

[@gatortooth69]

Dark and darker players stub there toe and blame SDF. Dark and darker players are so cool they are all self proclaimed devs from reading patch notes.

[@uncle3883]

Dead on arrival.

[@desiboi926]

The claims of 40 to 50k players are simply unrealistic. Every single season follows the same trend: since its transition to Steam, the player base has been steadily declining. Hardcore fans remain in disbelief, but the reality is clear-only around 5k players are actively logging in. Let’s not attribute this decline to the end-of-season lull. While the upcoming season may bring some excitement, it is highly unlikely to draw 50k players. That’s simply not going to happen. It’s time to face the facts-D&D is rapidly losing its appeal, and the release of competing games like Path of Exile 2 is only accelerating its decline. Let’s move past the blind admiration for this game and acknowledge the issues at hand. The devs are running this IP into the ground.

[@dotEXCEI_]

dark and darkers models/ graphics/ artstyle i just dont get behind. it looks so old. if they could step up their graphical game, maybe move the game to UE5, that would be nice. but till then, i aint touching the game anymore.

[@saint_snow]

It's the combination of clunky slow combat and limited movement along with the casualization of the game. It didn't feel difficult and too simplistic. When you get into a pvpve game that's supposed to be marketed as "hardcore" like Dark and Darker is, I expect something akin to Tarkov. And Dark and Darker back in playtest one was like that. But they did one thing better, get you into the game quicker. It gave you some rags to start but that was it and you were in the action. The onboarding was simple. And while I am against a lot of the mechanics they have added that casualized the game in my opinion, it's still not on the level of Dungeonborne. The combat in Dark and Darker was slow (and I enjoy this) but it was still responsive. Dungeonborne just looked and felt like a glorified mobile game and I said that the day it was available in its beta. I mean you couldn't do something as look all the way up, your camera had limited movement, almost perfectly for a phone screen. But then again I knew it was Tencent behind the game and they have a pattern, a method to games. They make these quick, visually appealing games all over dipping a finger into every market and hoping something sticks. Even if they miss 9/10 tries, they still can financially succeed with one and that's all that matters to them. As for competition, Dark and Darker has it, it's called Tarkov. They are competing in the same extraction game market. While the games are different in combat, the concept remains the same. Tarkov created and defined the genre and Dark and Darker has a lot they can pull from them.

[@Baxeli]

It's joever

[@tk20channel]

Dark and Darkers only competition is its own decision making skills.

[@grimworp]

deadass

[@Hansdaddyslim]

Fell off, 1 view in 10 seconds

[@theirresponsibleghost7748]

Rip bro

[@RetroMaticGamer]

I mean, Dark & Darker isn't doing much better. Epic Game Store just gave Legendary accounts away for free, you don't do that if you're still making good money. The whole genre is proving to be a flash in the pan.

[@dotEXCEI_]

EGS is one piece of software that will never get installed on my PC.

[@meqx6028]

i lerft becazuse lobbys where derad this game is more fun then DND and they dont fix fair matchmaking gs ... and more

[@Jake-cn2cx]

When they didn't fix life on hit it was over, they insisted their game die. We deserved better and they fucked up an easy cash cow for themselves.

[@TheDustiestOne]

Dungeon Bourne was in development before dark and darker. How can you make a whole video about this and not know that?

[@WalkingGermany]

sure mate

[@shyguy9533]

yes it has, i didnt watch the vid but yes it has

[@OleHams]

"Nah dude Dungonbornde is so muuch better! Klean eben said so! lmoa Ironmace poopy!" - Everyone in every twitch chat 6 months ago

[@pajeetsingh]

Weird? Where the hatred coming from? Is it woke vs non-woke originates?

[@ScopesUnderated]

I sure hope so

[@Revi0us]

saint, go drink some tea

[@syrefaen]

that third copy-paste game died first, it is a wierd genre too ngl.

[@Dethykins]

I think there's definitely a market for a DaD variant that's PVE focused. See a lot of people who love the game, and love the style, but hate the pvp.

[@magicalfungi3206]

IE people who suck at the combat and refuse or are unable to get better. Those people will not enjoy pve either, not for long anyway. PvP drives games' popularity more than PvE could ever do.

[@Bishop1664]

@@magicalfungi3206typical copy and pasted toxic response to the suggestion of a pve option. There is literally a market for it, think deep rock galactic, sea of thieves (safe seas mode) and Helldivers 2 which is actually booming

[@netorare_ow7446]

DB died due to brain damaged developers.Unfortunate.

[@asKiFTW]

Dungeoborne was a awful copycat, how lost some content creators are definding it xD

[@shu3684]

greed is good was better than dungeonborne xD

[@vashstampede2117]

Newsflash your a nerd too lil champ

[@NotAHackerr]

za best in za west

[@aj9223]

dungeondeathe is a better name for that cringe game

[@bat_poison]

Dark and Darker has plenty of competition outside of exact clones.

[@stefanpaius7833]

You should look into Mistfall Hunters

[@mekosuji_facemask]

DB had a few aspects going for it that were better than DaD. Even then, just like DaD, they were far from perfect. Regardless of that, it was basically a 1-to-1 copy of DaD when it should have crafted its own identity. Same mobs, same gameplay-loop, same everything. The game could have been better in every way (it wasn't) and people still wouldn't play it because no one want's to play the copycat when the OG is till serviceable.

[@eloverlord96]

We need better games of this genre, that's the problem, I would say Dark and Darker isn't good enough either, to me it's combat is boring and uninspired also, but since is the better option available I get why people roll with it, there's not much to choose so 🤷‍♂ As said, this genre has potential and I'm sure it could attract a bigger playerbase, but only if it is well done, make a dungeon extraction slasher but with a combat so fun and engaging like the one in Chivalry 2 and we good, it would be amazing

[@WalkingGermany]

devs ignored everything the community asked for balance wise from the beginning and even did the opposite, making it worse with every patch. it was dying from start

[@emiliorodriguez6117]

Dungeonborn is a less good copy and paste of dark and darker. Could’ve at least improved on what dark and darker offered. D and d was one of my favorite games for awhile but the updates and consistent lack of direction kinda lost me.

[@seadee2834]

Yeah fr. I loved DaD, but when 99% of the updates are balance changes which get reverted in a patch or two, it becomes stale very quickly. They've said in the new wipe they're going to experiment with random generated dungeons and a "drop into active raid" mechanic, which I personally think will help the game if done right. It's currently "solved", with players knowing how to perfectly move through rooms to optimally hunt down other players. PVE isn't even a threat anymore, and the game is just the same thing over and over. Spawn in, sprint at the nearest player spawn location, play the kiting game, loot and leave.

[@b00shy68]

⁠@@seadee2834exactly, this whole patch i’ve patiently waited for any new content and yet there’s nothing with each patch and even when the game is feeling good, they for some reason still attempt to tweak numbers i just don’t understand what’s going on here. constant updates are good, but constant updates that don’t have any value just annoys the community. if we don’t get any new content next wipe i might just drop it entirely.

[@Saiyamanmc]

@@seadee2834 everything you said is why i havent bothered opening the game in months. new content is drip fed and every update is just balance changes that will inevitably be changed in the next patch, or cosmetics that i really dont care much about. saw someone say this elsewhere, eventually someone else is going to take the good ideas DaD has and use them in a more effective way.

[@Wavy_Gravy]

SDF ruined his game. Even without competition, they're faltering.

[@JamaRift]

Lets see the 18 when wipe comes and 50k are online again how mutch did it fall...If u are bored of the game just move on.

[@slorpeey7582]

buff warlock

[@DokjaTTV]

Nexon's trash copy failed immediatly.

[@joshwiley2220]

Hopefully 😂

[@Headcatcher10]

rip bozo wont be missed

[@Headcatcher10]

@@piespies-z7p cope harder nexonbot, dogshitborne will never be a real game

[@Headcatcher10]

@@piespies-z7p cope nexonbot

[@nicolaslemieux9217]

All my gamer friends dont want to play dark and darker because its either too slow (they play cod) or too hard and frustating. DaD will always be on its on because of its niche aesthetic and play style. Stop trying to compare everything with any other things. DaD doesnt need competition, the game is loved by their devs and they have a good healthy relationship with it. Its like saying that someone had a solid relationship with another person and for the sack for the relationship's growth, one would need to toss a third party in there to shake things up and make the couple work on the flaws.. why?

[@slorpeey7582]

buff warlock

[@px3l_punk128]

lets be real here. Dark & Darker was always superior to this garbage. You had to have taken some kind of substance to tweak your senses into enjoying this pile of trash in the first place.

[@Allamern]

No,that's not true,game was really fun, and in the first look,game was better then Dad

[@Allamern]

But we'll....it's sad

[@Just-the-Gameplay]

Dark and Darker is BiS

[@Akay_TM]

:o dungeonborne is kill :o

[@theirresponsibleghost7748]

Dumgeonborne is kill day before tomorrow

[@Nemissis4265]

Skill. Fxed it for ya

[@jaswietlan800]

Good for us. more players possible on dark and darker.

[@Allamern]

Sry but dad is more trash then DB

[@aaronjrpicasso]

This game was hot ass so glad its gone

[@Allamern]

U even don't played it....

[@CnePMa_HerPA]

Dungeonborne is so much better than dark and darker, it’s a shame devs abandoned it

[@rakuwaru3619]

both games fuckin dead

[@Hrizmont]

The "Greed is good" is more dead