REACTING to the NEW Cleric for D&D 2024

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[@alexmiller1800]

List of Changes: Trickery and War Cleric - dancing on the Ranger’s grave since 2024. - Level 1: Divine Order allows you to choose between two options focusing into martial skills or spellcasting. Protector grants heavy armor and martial weapon proficiency while Thaumaturge grants an additional cantrip and allows you to add your Wisdom modifier to Arcana and Religion checks. - Level 2: Channel Divinity returns with two options at this level. Turn Undead now inflicts the frightened and incapacitated conditions on Undead who fail their save. They still run, but are no longer sprinting away. There is also a new Channel Divinity option called Divine Spark which allows you to heal or harm another creature. - Level 5: Destroy Undead has been replaced with Sear Undead. Rather than simply destroying undead below a certain CR, Sear Undead inflicts radiant damage on all undead who fail their save. I’m curious if this is folded into Turn Undead or is it’s own separate Channel Divinity. - Level 6: Blessed Strikes grants another choice at this level. You can either add radiant damage onto weapon attacks or add your Wisdom modifier to the damage of your cantrips. - Level 10: This one will be controversial. Divine Intervention has been completely reworked. Once per long rest, you can call on your Deity for aid. You choose any Cleric spell of 5th level or lower that does not have a reaction casting time and cast that spell. You do not need to have this spell prepared, this does not use a spell slot, and if the spell normally requires material components, this casting does not. That means that you get a free Revivify, Raise Dead, Death Ward or Heal spell every day. I say that this might be controversial because Divine Intervention used to be a big, game changing event on the rare occasions it worked. This is far more reliable, but admittedly weaker and has far less of a narrative impact on your character. I think it’s for the better, but I get where people are coming from if they do not like this change. - Level 14: Blessed Strikes is improved. Even more additional radiant damage to weapon attacks and some improvement to cantrips. - Level 20: Greater Divine Intervention allows you to cast Wish using you Divine Intervention. Life Domain: - Preserve Life now works on Undead and Constructs. - Shortest subclass update yet. Light Domain: - Subclass spell list updated. I don’t care as long as Fireball and Scorching Ray stay. - Warding Flare can now be used on allies at 3rd level (when you first get the feature). Improved Warding Flare at level 6 grants the creature you protect with the Flare temp hp. Finally, you regain all uses of Warding Flare on a short or long rest. - Corona of Light now imposes disadvantage on saving throws against Radiance of the Dawn (subclass Channel Divinity) in addition to spells that deal fire and radiant damage. Trickery Domain: - Blessing of the Trickster now lasts until the end of your next long rest and you can now use this ability on yourself. - Invoke Duplicity now takes only a bonus action to activate and no longer requires concentration because “you couldn’t have any of the Cleric’s really nice concentration spells going simultaneously” and they “didn’t want the subclass to step on the class”. Good thing the game designers fixed the one and only place in the game where that was a problem. Not like there’s, I dunno, a whole class hamstrung by a feature that demands concentration. No, WotC would never restrict a class like that. - There’s a new feature that allows you to teleport and swap places with your duplicate. - Level 17 the benefits of your duplicate now extend to your allies. War Domain: - Channel Divinity: Guided Strike can now be used on allies from the start rather than waiting for an upgrade. - Warpriest now allows your bonus action weapon attack to be either a weapon attack or an unarmed strike. Far more interestingly, you regain uses of Warpriest on a short or long rest. - The Domain Spell list has been updated. Steel Wind Strike is now on the War Cleric’s list. You know what at least someone will be getting some use out of that spell since no one’s ever gonna play a Ranger. - Blessing of the War God keeps the same name, but offers new abilities. You can burn uses of Channel Divinity to cast Shield of Faith and Spiritual Weapon. If you cast either spell using your Channel Divinity, they do not require concentration. Because why not? Dance on the Ranger’s grave why don’t you. - Avatar of Battle gets resistance to all bludgeoning piercing and slashing damage instead of just non-magical bludgeoning piercing and slashing damage on account of magical bludgeoning, piercing, and slashing damage no longer existing.

[@nyanbrox5418]

Sear undead is the turn undead upgrade. When a creature fails their save vs turn undead they are also seared by radiance, half damage on a successful save I think, Divine spark is a single target damage channel divinity that hits any creature, not just undead

[@nyanbrox5418]

Treantmonk has indeed confirmed, you will still be able to fireball with light domain cleric

[@brilobox2]

Steel. Wind. Strike. Is. Not. A. Ranger. Spell. Its a Wizard spell.

[@alexmiller1800]

@@brilobox2 Steel Wind Strike is on the Ranger list, but lets be honest 4th and 5th level spells on Half casters are more of aspirational goals than tools you’ll regularly get to use. Jokes aside, I am actually kinda glad it’s now on War Cleric because you will probably see it more often. It’s a cool spell.

[@nyanbrox5418]

@brilobox2 I mean it's for wizards and Rangers, but wizards obviously use it better, abjurers and bladesingers probably use it best

[@Jimbob1337]

The 2024 PHB feels like a 10 year high school reunion where everyone got better and more skilled, but the artificer is still a child, and the ranger wasn't invited to the party. Wizards of the Coast REALLY hate Rangers...

[@Rocker4JCforever]

As a DM I just allow my rangers to use Hunter's Mark without concentration at level 5. I think the reason why the base spell still requires conc is because it's too easy to exploit it in a two-level multiclass dip or taking a feat like Fey Touched.

[@JohnvanCapel]

@@Rocker4JCforever That's exactly it. It was "overpowered" in one playtest because of a specific build that immediately multiclasses 3 different ways in order to stack Hex, Hunter's Mark and something else (IIRC either Paladin or Rogue). It was powerful at early levels, but would have *rapidly* fallen off due to delaying class features and not scaling well. Making Hunter's Mark conc free at level 5, or even at level 3, still puts that build in a place where it's just about on par with other options without actually feeling powerful.

[@user-ni7ji3fb8m]

​@JohnvanCapel no it is not. You are solving problem with ranger dips, but not with rangers that dip into other classes. At level 5 with 2 levels in monk, 2 levels in fighter- 8 attacks per turn, each dealing extra d6. And all at advantage because you are permanently invisible gloom stalker. And you are concentrating on spike growth while doing all that. And it isn't even a MAD build. And it is easy to use in normal game- 8 attacks nova turn 2 after you set up 2 spells on first turn and you can do it every short rest. Build is online at level 9. It is 77 nova damage plus whatever spell you casted on top. This is 400% of expected 9th level damage.

[@bronyel3212]

@@user-ni7ji3fb8m can you explain how you get 8 attacks per turn in this setup please, I never multi classed.

[@AlphaOmega08922]

Okay, so if you're dual-wielding daggers with the weapon mastery property, you can make two attacks with your action. Then monk lets you burn a ki point to make two unarmed strikes as a bonus action, plus raises the damage of your daggers to a d6 each, which your unarmed strikes also do. Ranger lets you HM a target, so you also get an extra d6 to each of those attacks. Let's assume you HM something on turn one, then start going ham on turn two. You'll get two attacks from your action, two attacks from your bonus action, then action surge and get two more attacks from your action. That's only 6 attacks, my guy. And you can only action surge once, and you only get the extra unarmed attack if you spend a focus point, which you only have two of. Therefore, you only get 6 attacks on turn 2, then only 4 attacks on turn 3, then only 3 attacks on subsequent turns. Granted, each of those attacks is dealing 2d6 damage to the creature you have HM on, but that's still a far cry from having 8 attacks every turn at level 5.

[@taifumoffu5159]

I feel like every video post ranger can be summed up as "RIP Ranger"

[@Jimbob1337]

Blurb for 2024 PHB: "RANGERS SUUUUUUUUCK!!!!"

[@bluesnake4626]

The way I think I’ll run it is that I’ll let the player choose what they want to do with intervention. Use the garenteed new version, or go for the roll for a bigger ask with the old one.

[@_Squiggle_]

That seems like a pretty good option.

[@Merilirem]

Exactly this.

[@ClumsyReaper]

I guess Duke actually sorta liked the artificer. Enough to want them in the base rules like me.

[@Merilirem]

Who doesn't? I am not always on board with the flavor for the world but that is more about player expectations matching the setting. Like trading steampunk for enchanted armor.

[@phntmthf5505]

The reason they’re not in the core rulebooks is the same as it’s been since they originally came out: they’re not on every plane. Yes, there are magical craftsmen in most every setting, but the degree to which artificers do things is an Eberron thing, and that’s always the supplement they get added to an edition through.

[@bastionsea2829]

​@@phntmthf5505There are realm-specific traits in the rules already

[@phntmthf5505]

@@bastionsea2829 I’m aware of that, but it’s also of note that most of those rules are either specifically for the Forgotten Realms, which was 5e’s primary setting, or are used by the grand majority of D&D settings. Eberron is, to my knowledge, the only setting artificers are actually native to.

[@bastionsea2829]

@@phntmthf5505 to my thinking, the Warforged might be the only realm-specific item that makes sense that it wouldn't 'travel the realms'. It's easy to believe that an artificer traveled to the Forgotten Realms and taught others the trade (that's essentially how some jobs crossed borders in the real world) Warforged have their history based in Eberon, which I think is unique to playable races. Creating a history of FR's Artificer plays just fine

[@thorgalmoeseke6868]

So trickster cleric now has an echo knight's echo instead of a pure illusion. Even can swap spaces like the echo knight

[@bryanabbott6169]

I'm a veteran of the 1st Ed. AD&D, Duke. 1983. Clerics and Druids were a totally separate class. Druids were limited to level 14-17. It dealt with a Circle of Druids, with only one Arch Druid ('There can only be One!') at level 17. If you wanted to become a Bard, you had to be a Fighter, a Thief, and then a Druid. Normally you could 'Dual Class' as a Human, where you switch tracks to a second class, so being able to switch to a third class was a special exception. Then you joined a Bard's College, to become the Bard. Half-Elves could become Bards too, but it was strange since Half-Elves multi-class rather than Dual-Class.

[@bryanabbott6169]

In the Basic up to Advanced D&D (Expert, Intermediate, etc.), the rules were totally different. In that box set series, you could become a Druid, but you start as a Cleric. But with AD&D, they are separate classes, though you could Dual Class into Druid from Cleric if you want, but it was far from some kind of requirement.

[@Krieghandt]

So only the Ranger pet requires an action to do something. Summon the spirit of a badger, and it is a pacifist? Eh?

[@patrickscannell6370]

Ranger has summon spells that do not require actions

[@user-ni7ji3fb8m]

Ranger-beastmaster is the only class with pet in new phb. The rest are 1 minute summon spells

[@JohnvanCapel]

Okay, so they *cooked* in terms of playability/quality-of-life for Cleric, which is honestly all it needed, and none of it seems to be a "copypaste Tasha's" thing - so I do like what they did. However, the way they worded their reason to drop the Concentration on Trickery Clerics' Invoke Duplicity and the new War Cleric Channel Divinity where they get to cast a Concentration-free Spiritual Weapon... The fact that they *explicitly call out* Steel Wind Strike as "A popular Ranger spell" they gave to War Clerics... They were just *teabagging* on the Ranger's grave.

[@portsyde3466]

I'll have you know that I take notes. It may look like gibberish to the untrained eye, but I can read it, and that's all that matters, lol.

[@BoomMCOC]

As someone who can't take notes and pay attention at the same time, the trick is that all of your characters are just really bad with names. I am better off just listening, and whatever I remember is what my character remembers.

[@Sonyuu]

I'm calling this right now: they're going to publish an errata for the Ranger so fast after the book hits the shelves that it will be more productive to wait at least four to six months before buying the physical copies. Or just buy the digital book and wait for the inevitable "fix".

[@user-ni7ji3fb8m]

It don't need fix if it's not broken. And ranger is more than fine. It is silly larp with overreacting youtubers. Capstone is bad, class is still strong. End of the story.

[@davidlewis5312]

@@user-ni7ji3fb8m 'oh you are a ranger, here you go *shackles hunter's mark to your wrist* have fun with that remember to concentrate'

[@yoichi456]

I feel if divine intervention is used for a healing spell it should use max healing as an oh damn we’re in trouble.

[@jefferystafford9657]

Every time they show how much love they put into they classes I feel sick to my gut how they didn't do anything good for the ranger

[@noahmehringer29]

I’m convinced there is someone on the team who despises that class and is actively sabotaging it.

[@user-ni7ji3fb8m]

What elso do you need. It is insanely strong class at early level and it doesn't fall off like literally all martial classes after level 11. It is already deals more damage then fighter, it can cast control spells that stay relevant at high levels, they got free movement, skill and utility boosts. What else do you possibly want? Why are you not mad about rogue, that is class that literally only playable with good magic items and provide nothin to the party. Why you are not complaining about wizard changes, that made it barely playable at low levels and still didn't nerfed any OP spells at high levels. Why are you not discussing the biggest change of the actual relevant class to the video cleric- Spiritual Weapon, that now leaving cleric without bonus action option, and forcing them back into "healer" archetype. Or maybe terrible elemental monk level 6th feature that have use in real game. Or the fact that Warlock is still only viable as a Eldritch blast spammer, and real use of it Pact of the Blade is a paladin dip. Or what about high level moon druid? They replaced elemental forms with "moon" teleport, making this subclass unplayable after level 9 as beast dont scale fast enough to rach elementals. Its all fine? But somehow one of the strongest classes in the game that super frontloaded with features and extremely powerful subclasses is "poor" and "don't get anything good". Ranger this, ranger that.

[@jefferystafford9657]

@user-ni7ji3fb8m strongest class in the game? It's core feature for 4 featured levels are a concentration spell that barely adds any damage. Gets in the way of its other subclass abilities as well as give a lvl 1 spell as it's core mechanic. Read the room for a second

[@user-ni7ji3fb8m]

@@jefferystafford9657 no, his core features for 1 level (20) is concentration spell that add a decent damage all thing consider. For the rest 3 mentioned levels actual core features are: Spellcasting and Weapon Mastery, as it is a full HALFCASTER class, at level 13 its core feature is 4th level spells and at level level 17 core feature is 5th level spells. Crazy i know. Just stop larping about non-existing problem and base your class valuations on math and not on overreacting youtubers and memes. I don't want to read the room filled with clowns and fools.

[@davidlewis5312]

@@user-ni7ji3fb8m *laughs* oh my god, you are serious aren't you? deals more damage than fighter? 4d12+20 vs 2d8+10 +2d6 Last I checked that's 68max damage with a 15% chance to crit on four attempts vs 38 max damage with a 5% chance to crit on 2 attempts (with advantage) what's your math? that's champion fighter with a greataxe by the way. Not taking into any other details like magic weapons or other features save core class features and the champions improved crit ratio.

[@davidsapp7554]

Duke Half elf entertainer background Rogue 6 levels minimum Valor Bard 10 levels Taking the Skilled, Skill Expert, and Prodigy Feats I was able to get proficiency in all but one skill but still had half proficiency

[@royalrosepetal]

Maybe the Ranger Spell List is just absolutely cracked

[@barcster2003]

Maybe because it's now one of the protected ones supposedly.

[@GryphonDes]

I aparently somehow missed this one -- I am so glad I got to come back and see this one -- so great!

[@eliwright3049]

WOTC said, " Screw you specifically Ranger". Ranger is officially the middle child of the class family in DND

[@VBane]

So I am taking it that every D&D related chat and comment section from now on is just going to devolve into Ranger complaints at some point. So fun.

[@ne0w01f3]

is it not deserved?. it was the one CLASS that people were hoping would be better. and while it is a little better than it was, every other class is better than it was...so the ranger is still way behind. The 2024 ranger belongs in the 2014 hand book

[@user-ni7ji3fb8m]

​@@ne0w01f3no it's not. It beyond stupid. Ranger even in 2014 was more than fine. And was one of the strongest after gloom stalker and Tasha. Now they reprinted "optional" Tasha rules as official and added 2 ribbons with hunters mark. And everyone losing their mind for no reason. It is litiraly the strongest class in tier 1, and top 3 class in tier 2. And keep been playable after level 11 while every single martial class just turn into unplayable pumpkin.

[@ne0w01f3]

@@user-ni7ji3fb8m cool now try the beast master while having to keep applying and reapplying hunters mark on top of it being concentration and get back to me

[@user-ni7ji3fb8m]

​@@ne0w01f3literally nothing, I repeat nothing, forces you to use hunters mark. Why you so obsessed with it for literally 0 reason? Beastmaster have 3 attacks at level 3 every turn for free, and 4 at 5th level and 5 at 11. It is more than fighter aka "the multi attack class". Every single turn, for free. And basicly always on concentration free summon that scales and you can heal with 1 spell slot of 1st level. And that is not all! At same 5th level where are you making more attacks than 11th level fighter, you also can cast spells including Spike growth, one of the most overpowered spell in the game, that also combines with weapon masteries and beast graple. Don't like it? How about second beast. Not you cup of tea? Well then cast Searing Smite at 2nd level in place of attack and deal 4d6 fire damage and 2d6 every turn. Hey you have all your 1st level spells on you... maybe entangle, fog cloud, goodberry? Insane spells that are keep been valuable at any level. You out of slots and your animal companion is unconscious? Oh now now you have to cast FREE hunters mark and be stronger than fighter, rogue, paladin and monk. Wow how can poor ranger can handle been so "weak". Don't base your perception of the class on KZbin joke videos. Do the math

[@aaronjorgensen8333]

i think with divine intervention. the roll should be still done, but perhaps if they want to improve the chances of it being successful, switch around the 100 roll..? maybe like at 10th lvl, 80+ and the intervention fails, and each level you gain above that make the chance of failure small. I.E. level 11, you have to roll higher that an 81 for a failure. etc That way it makes it more likely to succeed. but also even at lvl 20 there is still a slim chance it doesnt work. but thats just me.

[@dylanmason5190]

Reaction starts 34:38

[@vincentlefur4490]

the trickery domain ability to switch place with your double... Since your double appears in a place you can see, not necessarely next to you... Am i the only one thinking it will be a fun way to get past a chasm? 😄

[@TheRatedOniChannel]

Some really good uses for that, reminds me of some abilities in games like League of Legends, a ton of movement and 'trickery!

[@barcster2003]

You can if it's within 30 feet. At 17th level it can be 120 ft.

[@MsXmaster666]

Divine intervention being a free 5th level spel a day, the level before you learn 5th level spells, so um wheres the excitement for it after 13th level when you can cast 6th level spells?

[@ZanoxisStreaming]

Personally I would have kept divine intervention the same except for make it a d20 with a dc of 10. And keep the way players use it

[@EtherSalad]

That would be insanely powerful, no? DI lets a God cast any cleric spell of 9th or 8th level or lower in an effort to help you out, no spellcasting or concentration required, but it’s locked behind a 10% chance to work which you can still do once per day until it Does work (would be the same as a nat20) and gets up to a 20% chance at 20th level (rolling 18-20) but at 20th level you just get one free success a week if I recall right. A DC 10 on a d20 is a 50% chance at 10th level. That’s REALLY strong

[@Raistling]

I wish the 10th level spell had the OPTION to choose the old option, but regardles of success or failure, the feature would still go on cooldown for 1 week.

[@MoonbornUwU]

Clerics eating good, but they’re giving clerics the treatment regarding concentration spells and features they should have given for ranger.

[@Merilirem]

Both should get these changes. No class should be ranger.

[@charlesboots6508]

Can we all just homebrew that Hunter's Mark doesn't require concentration?

[@meikahidenori]

Justice for Rangers and Artificers 😖

[@xisle555]

The power creep is real.

[@majinsole8554]

Very solid all around. ~_~

[@scotthalfhill7501]

I need you to use your powers for good and get ahold of Jermey Crawford to fix the Ranger.

[@mirakuru1820]

While I love seeing info on the upcoming D&D I believe what really needs to be talked about is the fact the wizards is trying to do things like pre orders and me personally This is bad, all we have to look to is the gaming industry to see where they are trying to take this and we need to let them know this is not ok. Dungeons and discourse explained thus issue really well.

[@XSacredX27]

Missed opportunity to say Cleric-fication throughout the video

[@MrSHADOWANGEL999]

Hopefully not a clerical error

[@davidragan9233]

12:12 Or a Gondsman

[@allanbroady2970]

Locking Diving intervention into spell casting? Mechanically sounds good but kind of robs some good character development with a cleric.

[@_Squiggle_]

I like how it's no longer tied to how the DM's feeling that day. You just do the thing and don't have to worry about what the DM thinks is appropriate to occur

[@Merilirem]

@@_Squiggle_ They could have kept the DM option like how wish works. But yes, its better to be certain. A bad DM can ruin features like that. So can a good one.

[@thomasdean302]

I personally disagree on the foil for the life domain. I think the grave domain is the true foil. Life domain is all about keeping creatures from dying and the grave domain is all about making sure that creatures don't just cheat death all willy nilly

[@barcster2003]

Yeah grave or death would have made way more sense but they wanted war priest.

[@redballoon9007]

Hot take: I don’t like the certainly of that free spell that replaced Divine Intervention/Greater Divine Intervention. Just like how Duke put it, it kinda takes away the suspense and uncertainty of it all. I get why they did it but it’s less fun now.

[@barcster2003]

I think it can still be plenty thematic.

[@keithulhu]

Duke, if I wanted to play a Ranger in the game you're running, I'd get your approval to use the Tales of the Valiant Ranger, which is far superior and was designed by someone who knows how to design characters, unlike Jeremy Crawford.

[@GreatestRedPanda]

Isn't the new divine intervention going to be problematic for player death, and to a lesser degree NPC death? If you can cast a free raise dead daily, and raise dead will work on someone who has died in the last 10 days, won't it means past level 10 nobody can permanently die once the cleric reaches level 10, so long as the cleric doesn't die? Feels like this might be game breaking.

[@GreatestRedPanda]

Also, while I wouldn't say they are bad subclasses to have, aren't their better alternatives to have in the starting subclasses for new Cleric than war and Trickery? It's like dedicating half the subclasses to standing on other people's toes. Do you need a War domain cleric when you have Paladin? That's literally what paladins core fantasy is. Same goes for Trickery, sure you can have the fantasy of having a cleric of a trickster god, but rogues and glamour bards already exist. It's superfluous and a little chicken before the egg thematically. A god of tricks is likely going to favour people already dedicated to getting up to no good, not some random who gets all their trickery schtick from the god after the fact. These feel like bad choices for the base players hand book.

[@-Offstar]

With each of the new class videos I question more and more why they hate Rangers so much.

[@gaelofariandel6747]

Was hoping for the Tempest Cleric

[@TyranAmiros]

Same, I've played about 6 5e clerics over the years and it was always the most fun. Let me be Thor!

[@TheLibGamer]

The Turning option for channel divinity is not a nerf... when you look at the low CR which was on the table for 2014, you basically never faced creatures of those CR's in most play at 5th level for example. Also the DC of your turn was fairly low, so you probably weren't turning them either. So now, you at least do some damage, might turn, and (if they are fairly low level or you role really well) might still destroy.

[@danyaelle1753]

Justice for Ranger. And hope the new Bard is great

[@jefferystafford9657]

I can't believe they said ok to this build of the ranger

[@ARIEZKAGE]

Watch them give Bards the class feature ADHD, spells that require concentration no longer require concentration.

[@PirateKingAshram]

Hot take. If hunters mark was given as an option to other classes it would not take concentration.

[@mixofreak]

Ranger fix proposal that would be uniquely befitting class concept: Double concentration. They are always focusing on small details to follow foes, learn from the land, etc... do their kind is always able to split focus.

[@user-ni7ji3fb8m]

So how many levels every single caster in the game have to dip into ranger to get that "fix"?

[@EgoreTR13]

10:00 Real question here. Not trying to be mean, but trying to provoke a conversation really. I noticed that D&D has been pushing for inclusivity a lot and more and more I'm seeing player characters with disabilities like paraplegic (in wheelchair). D&D being a fantasy boardgame, allows you to create fantastical creatures that could fly and cast magic spells and change shape; fulfilling ideals that opposes one real life limitations. Why would there be a desire or a push for disability to be a part of a fantasy character personality, which will limit the characters actual effectiveness when doing "adventurous" things? Being paralyzed and bound to a wheelchair will do more to hamper the parties capabilities and navigation , and could lead to the player feeling like a burden, which mirrors real life experiences.

[@saraphys5555]

10:00 You want Artificer as a core class? ...play Tales of the Valiant by Kobold Press. Thats what the Mechanist class is, Artificer done right. No more warping the class to be some kinda "gun totting" stupid thing... no, no, no... Like the classic Artificer of 2E and 3.5 Eberron's Artificer... the Mechanist is what happens when you plop a Quantum Physicsist into a Fantasy World! A TRUE Artificer doesn't have Spells, and their Infusions are all based around placing Item Qualities onto objects, which makes them semi-permenant Magic Items which are more resistant to Anti-Magic Fields and Dispell Magic effects... or, in the case of "Spell Storing Item"; putting upto 4th level spells on an item and then chucking them at whatever you dont like...like putting a Maximised CL15 Fireball on a throwing knife, and telling the group's best thrower to "chuck this at something you don't like"...and proceed to watch a Stonechild throw it at a a group of Frost Giant guards...who go boom. ...wait, sorry, thats 3.5. ...but applicable in Tales of the Valiant... 42:24 Oh? You want a good ranger? ...you know where you can find a good, well designed ranger? Tales of the Valiant... Its like, all this iteration of the d20 System needs to be functional and balanced...is for ACTUAL game designers to be involved with its design, and a clear understanding of the system... y'know, instead of "thoughts and feelings" like what WotC is doing... hence why certain classes are so overpowered in 2024 Edition, and others are...well...Ranger.

[@user-ni7ji3fb8m]

You are promoting lazy rip-off of srd rules. They put zero effort and made a fast cash grab during ogl drama. It isn't even a "tracing" it is an "AI-art" of ttrpgs.

[@saraphys5555]

You know nothing about the technical side, do you? Since WotC bought the D&D IP back in 1997, they took about 3 years to create the d20 System that 3E would go on to use. People like Monte Cook, Skip Williams, David Noonan, Ari Marmell, Wolfgang Baur, Sean Reynalds, Bruce Cordell, and many others worked for years to make that system. 5E still uses, and was designed to use a newer, simpler, streamlined version of that system. But during development of 5E, pretty much all of those game designers left WotC over "Creative Differences". Oh, hey, Wolfgang Baur started his own company called Kobold Press... Oh, hey, they then created a Worldbook of a setting called "Midgard", where they revamped all the classes... Oh, hey, Kobold Press have also released Monster Books and Heroes books that actually work on the Encounter and Combat and Rewards tables they're ment too... Oh, hey, Wolfgang and KP then formalised their own *FIX* of 5E with Tales of the Valiant. Also, "lazy rip-off"? Ever heard of Pathfinder, numbnuts?

[@user-ni7ji3fb8m]

​@@saraphys5555it doesn't matter who left what and where, when entire game is just carbon copy of 5e to a letter. Not d20 based game. Literally 5e.

[@user-ni7ji3fb8m]

​@@saraphys5555 hey r-ard, just curious, if I download van Gogh painting splash som dots in ms paint on top and call it a FIX, will you buy them and advertise to others?

[@gamemasters]

@@user-ni7ji3fb8m but.. isn't that exactly what 5e24 is going to be? A fix? Put into your context; van Gogh was the creator, in this instance Mike Mearls created 5e. You, the not creator, downloaded gogh's painting and splashed some dots on it and call it a fix (you citing that is an example of a carbon copy which is the point I'm driving it). WotC, the not creator, took Mike's creation and is splashing some dots on it and is calling it a fix. same thing. Given MM worked at WotC so in the legal sense of the term, what he produces belongs to them, sure. They are free and clear to make whatever changes they want, but at the end of the day, it's still a fix. If it's not, then there would be zero reason to change anything. Likewise, other people out there, Kobold Press (who has worked with and has published content WITH WotC in the past) has taken an idea and developed it. 100% nothing at all wrong with that is there? If it WERE an issue then by that logic, we should only have.. one fast food burger joint to choose from.. one soda flavor to choose from.. one _food_ to choose from... one shirt to choose from.. one car to choose from.. one tv show to choose to watch.. one book to read... one ttrpg to play... c'mon @user-ni7ji3fb8m this is an instance in which logic is going to prevail, and I know you are very logic minded and are better than this.

[@dane4073]

that trickery domain art looks a little ai ish

[@fandomonium3789]

Putting divination spells on light domain that already gets those kinds of spells just robs light domain of its magical blaster role. Its supposed to bring the fire, and now that's being stripped away and replaced with spells clerics already have access to. If they want to give us a divination cleric, just give us a Fate Domain and leave Light alone.

[@bastionsea2829]

What they described light domain as doesn't even touch 'Fate' just because they're listed in the divination school doesn't require it to be divining. Healing spells are technically necromancy (by the school description)

[@user-ni7ji3fb8m]

It called light, not fire

[@ZanoxisStreaming]

Not a huge fan of the divine intervention change.. I mean , it was such a good feeling to roll that percentile and hit. Then asking your god basically to do whatever you want... Now that's kind of gone and it makes me sad

[@bastionsea2829]

My problem was that the chance of the avatar (the gods specifically say they don't answer the call personally) maxed at 20, ⅕ chance, and then just jumped to 100. Should have scaled a little better

[@user-ni7ji3fb8m]

But that "whatever you want" supposed to be resolved by dm as "an appropriate cleric apell". Now it just went from 10% to cast up to 9th level spell once a week to 100% chance to cast a 5th level once a day. And at 20th level actually ask whatever you want because you don't suffer permanent lost of wish as a cleric.

[@jefferystafford9657]

Curious as to why you don't like the sorcerer? They are very powerful and fun to play. You should try one sometime

[@greenchilistudioz4537]

People always tell me "Why don't you like DnD Warlock, you can spam Eldritch Blast and be super OP!!!!" when comes to Baldur's Gate and try get me to not use other cantrip that isn't Eldritch blast be force to play different class or I be burden to my companions, yes the npc companions lmao

[@bastionsea2829]

I'm sure I'm not the only one who isn't particularly interested in the spellcasting classes because spellcasting is extremely complex

[@jefferystafford9657]

@@bastionsea2829 interesting view. I've never viewed them as complex. Roll to hit with spell or DM rolls to overcome ur spell DC.

[@TheScottishKayaker]

With how much stronger this makes cleric I am even more perplexed by what they did to paladin divine smite.

[@PJMegaw]

So it sounds like theyre taking a lot from Pathfinder 2e. Interesting.

[@greenchilistudioz4537]

Warlock doesn't feel good, still Eldritch Blast spammer, class that is not use for multiclassing, is consider garbage as stand alone class lmao

[@bastionsea2829]

The cleric is not supposed to be a fighter, put that in a subclass where it belongs, focus the class on spells (not necessarily healing) The Cleric 'Wish' is called 'Miracle' Why are the 'subclass' options for cleric and wizard just specialization? That really feels like a lack of imagination. There's so much more someone can do with arcane/divine magic than just specializing. None of the other classes are limited to specialists Clerics help their allies.. yea, beating an ogre with your mace is very helpful to others.. That is directly why the cleric should not be able to fight as well. Proficiency in heavy armor and one weapon of your choice

[@bastionsea2829]

The Ranger/Paladin is the combat counterpart to Druid/Cleric. There's not supposed to be the option for the Cleric the go melee