openai hates artists for doing this

[@wasabiato]

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[@astrea555]

Absolutely unhinged. It's as absurd as calling a lock "abuse" because it protect someone's house.

[@andrewpojo1]

This is abuse, let me in your house so I can steal your stuff!

[@frogmanjr]

FR

[@vuxl]

it’s like saying a security camera is “abuse” because trying to put ME in prison is a violation of MY rights when im trying to steal from your house

[@priestychan1668]

I even saw (in Japanese) a post saying claiming that after you “signed off your rights” by TOS, if you use nightshade and break some billionaires AI model we are legally punishable for destroying their property. Lol That’s equivalent of “I’ve made an insecticide laced cake due to repeated break ins, thief would took my valuables plus food…. Then when that same criminal breaks in and steals the cake that’s written “do not steal” on the container along with other stuff again, that I’m liable for his hospitalization?”

[@missrebel634]

That’s how you know they’re thieves

[@Aickelodeon]

It's like thieves claiming your home security system is abuse 💀

[@chillbizz74]

they are hell bent on AI being the "future"

[@Ableth]

Remove the dog in your lawn, come on bro, dawg be fair...

[@VacantMinded]

Fun fact legally it is, at least boobytrapping is… I don’t doubt the corporations will push for similar laws as they embrace AI more and more.

[@sakamocat]

"Hey! Vsauce, Michael here. Your home security is great... or is it?"

[@S13l_Um3n0]

@@sakamocat this made my day😭😭

[@PoorlyMadeSweater]

Them: "Give me your art so I can use it to generate images and steal your clients" Us: "No." Them: "STOP ABUSING US!!!"

[@JaxonElzinga]

Generative AI art isn't theft, that's a major cope. I'm a broke fuck who can't afford commissions, so I use AI for shit. I'm not sorry about that. It's like piracy: You'd never pay for the product to begin with, so the company who made the software/movie/game isn't losing revenue.

[@interlapsed]

​@@JaxonElzingaif it isn't theft then where does it get the art it references from?

[@BluelStar]

@@JaxonElzinga oh my god you’re so ignorant

[@Calipsopawzz]

@@JaxonElzingabuddy….

[@citruscustrd3057]

@@JaxonElzinga yes, because preservation of lost media/not wanting to deal with greedy companies while still enjoying the real work creatives put into games and making a crude amalgamation of stolen artwork from mostly small artists is exactly the same thing.

[@vid9170]

- "Adapt or die!" Artists adapt* - "NOOO!! ABUSE!"

[@mrgutsybat]

I imagine this dialogue with soyjacks

[@SnagTheRabbit]

"No wait, you weren't supposed to do that!"

[@panicclinic]

​@@mrgutsybathad that exact mental visual where the air bros face is boiling red throwing a tantrum. 😂

[@lennyface6828]

KEEP IT UP ARTIST! KEEP PISSING OFF AI ART BROS

[@jerricho11]

We really need to stop calling them artists or their work art. It's not, it's an image generator. They aren't artists, they generate images based off prompts.

[@MuzikBike]

@@jerricho11 AI Fart Bros

[@CapucineNighly]

Gotta use both on my artworks.. I'll do it to protect my babies

[@dumaass]

@@jerricho11 well that's true, but also some human-made paintings that don't really try to convey anything and are only made for money are called art.

[@jerricho11]

@@dumaass Give examples, please.

[@inbarkoren9112]

Yesterday I tried chat gpt's image generation, and not only does it get text perfectly right now, it also generated a SIGNATURE/WATERMARK. We NEED glaze, nightshade, or other tools like them because we are running out of ways to protect ourselves and our jobs, and if the ai bros start whining about it, then LET THEM CRY.

[@cyanthelouie]

imagine having shit ai generated images not only steal copyrighted material but also put *their own watermark* on it Someone just sue OpenAi and set a precedent so this thievery stops quickly

[@temperstar8411]

​@cyanthelouie I think op was talking about the AI generating an artist's signature in the image rather than a watermark of the software

[@cyanthelouie]

@@temperstar8411 actually... ai generated images shouldnt exist in first place but they already do.... now, ai putting any kind of watermark on it is another level of low, doesnt matter if its the ai's watermark or the plagied artist's watermark

[@feloniousbutterfly]

Blame ppl who stil use adobe garbage

[@Teddie-guru]

@@feloniousbutterflyblame adobe, not the people who use it

[@AntheousKrii]

Artists: "Ok, It's not working out, I'm gonna need my art back." AI userbase: "Please, this is all I have. I'm nothing without AI." Artists: "If you're nothing without AI, then you shouldn't have it."

[@DiceTwenty]

True. I absolutely hate it if someone defended AI """artist""" because they aren't 'as talented' or they can't stand studying to better their art. Talent is bullshit, and if you don't put the amount of work and sacrifice others have put to get to where they are right now, then you are unfit to be called an 'artist'.

[@annierminx]

They think their little sob story will work out lmao. You think I give a fuck that you can't ever draw a single eye? or even CARE to LEARN how to?, boo fucking hoo. Art isn't you place then

[@smithynoir9980]

@@DiceTwenty I think that's really egotistical. If someone can make a piece that resonates with those that see it, the amount of work and sacrifice is irrelevant. Art isn't about the artist, it's about the emotion, feeling, connection etc that the piece evokes from those that see it.

[@InvasionAnimation]

Guess the folks that claim glaze and nightshade doesn't work are actually lying as expected.

[@heiispoon3017]

For emerging brand new gen ai models, ns and glaze are lethal in terms of datasets. The other folks must be the ones using pre trained models or those with img2img methods. So please spread the night shade stuff wherever you go( glaze is ok too via web glaze, as long as what we post is poisoned)

[@anomalousanimates]

@@heiispoon3017 poisoned and incested

[@hw7003]

What I had heard was the issue was that it requires a certain amount of processing power or something from your computer and takes a while to apply to your art, and that not every artist had that hardware and time available to do that. But I've never tried glaze or nightshade as I just don't post my art anymore since I was never doing it for money anyway, so I can't speak from experience

[@AGK1999FE]

Yeah, I don't use that excuse. I guess I just feel safe enough posting my silly pixel art in a small discord server

[@EmperorBelosMyBeloved]

​@@AGK1999FE based, I love that for you. How silly is the art? (Also, pixel art is super hard; I have so much respect for people who do it.)

[@Ivytheherbert]

OpenAI won't even pay in exposure, did they expect no one to fight back against their industrial theft?

[@AndrejusDovidaitis]

Paying in exposure is the cheapest form of payment in existence and yet they can’t even do that

[@zekkriel]

the gnomes infesting my house and stealing my food tell me that the rat poison is ”abuse”

[@ConflictingJumps]

I got gnomed indirectly by your comment

[@greenstarforce001]

Gnomes?

[@MichaelMcDoesntExist]

@@greenstarforce001 Yeah, gnomes. You pretending you’ve never had a gnome infestation in your wizard tower?

[@seijinstars]

​@@ConflictingJumpsi used to hate that meme (get gnomed), i kind of miss it now

[@DreamersOfReality]

Okay, but think about the poor, unsuspecting predators dying because they're swallowing up poisoned gnomes 🥺 (This comment has nothing to do with AI.)

[@nonyabusiness3619]

I knew it. Every time I see an artist promoting glaze or nightshade, The comments are always flooded with AI bros saying that it doesn't work. And I always thought to myself, "if it doesn't work, then why are AI bros trying so hard to tell us not to use it?" If I didn't know the answer before, I sure know now.

[@matheussanthiago9685]

It's always a psyop, inside a psyop, inside a psyop

[@esterbun9356]

That and ignorance. Some of them really do believe if they generate something similar to the poisoned image, they’re actually bypassing nightshade. It’s all a misinformed superiority complex

[@smithynoir9980]

It IS becoming less and less effective as time goes on and models are trained around it, but that's not a reason not to use it or similar tools. Use them today and there'll be better anti-AI encoding programs in the future.

[@bm_142]

mfw when a company doing art theft for their „innovative“ system gets mad at artists for trying to protect their art from their sets

[@tinyslugcat]

abuse to... edit images we make? Which we own? sounds like the people at openai are a bunch of crybabies...

[@Luluflair]

not surprising if you look at their target audience who cry the same way

[@EmoKitsuneDesigns]

Lol I love how the article is like. creatives are losing the AI battle, Marvel used AI in Secret Wars... OK but Secret Wats BOMBED. LOL So many companies that have fired and replaced their artists with AI are being laughed at and it is painfully obvious they are using AI which devalues their entire brand.

[@achehex]

I think that bit of the article is more making the point that artists are already losing out on jobs. It might be funny that companies using AI are being laughed at, but that's still a potential job that no artists got to be paid for. Whether it's gonna be the same case long term or not, in the short term is already causing damage.

[@TheKaurK]

The show did not bomb because of its opening sequence. The show bombed because it wasn’t a good show. What you are saying is that if the title sequence was made by real artists, the same show wouldn’t bomb. And yet we have countless shows that have flopped even with human made title sequences. Now this doesn’t mean that AI art isn’t a red flag for overall quality of the show. AI generated art could be sign of cutting corners but that’s not always going to be the case either. As an example, good show can still have a mandate from the execs to use AI art opening titles regardless of what the creatives want and the creatives just don’t push back and make a compromise. Or another example where the writer turns into an AI bro and wants to create an AI title sequence for their own show. Yet another example would be where Open AI pays a good show a handsome sum of money to switch to AI generated titles. But those shows could still otherwise be very good, and be very well received by the public. .. despite a shitty AI art opening title. Not to mention that if AI becomes a staple in mainstream media and culture.. laughing at it would be a thing of the past and that would just become the new normal. So I’d be very careful here and not rely on the public thinking AI Art means bad quality. You and I know that AI spits out illogical bullshit that needs to be heavily corrected and you can never get it to give you exactly what you want but the public generally doesn’t care if it’s “good enough” at a glance. Most people.. unfortunately.. could not care less about an injustice that isn’t happening to them (which isn’t a good thing but speaks to the self serving nature of human beings).

[@robinronin]

“Why did you add more locks to your door? It’s preventing me from stealing things that don’t belong to me! You know I’m too much of a talentless waste of space to do anything myself!”

[@Tenshii_Artii]

They shouldn’t really need to hate us. We’re just trying to defend ourselves. After all, that’s what THEY do when we try to explain to them why AI threatens the creative concepts of artists. Can you imagine how scary the idea that people like this think this is ‘abuse’? I bet the moment that of you give these people some kind of big power, they will gleefully try to take control and oppress others around them. Usually, the true Abusers would always blame the victim for everything, every time.

[@ennuiwolf]

DOn't you see? If I'm inconvenienced, I'M the one abused! If you're inconvenienced you're just pushing back against the future! (/s if not obvious)

[@shroomer3867]

Rules for thee but not for me!

[@darksidegryphon5393]

These people are about to get a whole lot of power.

[@grayanddevpdx]

it’s like serial killers claiming home security is abuse

[@whoahanant]

Glaze and Nightshade as well as AI now cannibalizing it's own AI pieces is all of course biting them in the ass. Artists deserve the right to keep their pieces. AI companies should be paying for all the stolen art and until they do then fucking with them should never end.

[@randomcitizen0]

*"protecting your work from us is abusive"* me : LMAO! **wheezing and continue putting 20+ glaze at my art**

[@trixiepixie837]

don't forget nightshade thats the tool that actually does damage (first nightshade and then glaze)

[@sunla]

​@@trixiepixie837nightshade just outputs black images for me. Not sure if I can remedy that, as it has to do with a gpu architecture incompatibility.

[@CapucineNighly]

Don't forget Nightshade. Gotta use both to be EXTRA sure. Poison their data collection as well as a giant FU. :)

[@djmtv9616]

𝚈𝚎𝚜✅👍

[@ARandomIndieGameEnjoyer]

The fact that ALL OF THIS could have been avoided, if only the ai programmers asked artists for consent to their art.

[@CorazonMexica]

I'm not an artist, but this just motivates me to upload every image I post with Glaze and Nightshade.

[@feloniousbutterfly]

Yessss!!!

[@Callm3Sp4rky]

YES! HELL YEAH

[@djmtv9616]

𝙷𝙴𝙻𝙻 𝚈𝙴𝙰𝙷 𝙱𝙰𝙱𝚈!!!!!!!!!

[@Tallcakess]

The more that they seem to be afraid of Glaze/Nightshade, the more that we should use it. It just means that it really does work, and we will be able to protect our art. In fact, it makes me want to draw even more now, just so I can spread more poisoned art out there for the AI to suffer from.

[@anidiot1122]

I wish i can poisen my art (my pc cant use it)

[@pianopp1]

@@anidiot1122 ask someone on discord

[@smithynoir9980]

It's getting less effective as some models are learning to get around it, that said, use it. Use it and similar every time, the counter tools will continue to develop as well.

[@fluoriteByte]

Keep glazing sisters, let openAI suffer >:3

[@i.j.dragonfly3123]

The entitlement is off the charts with these companies. "But artists are sabotaging our tools-" Tough. It's their own creations. They can do whatever they want with it. If a tech company wants a non-glazed version, they can pay the artist for it.

[@anothermiddleschoolburnout8816]

Fr. I'm not a fan of AI image generation but the best way to do this would be to hire a team of artists to draw the material to train your models on.

[@sillyguy94]

@@anothermiddleschoolburnout8816That would take ages and be unrealistic, all people really want is an option to opt in instead of being forced into it

[@mykll_art]

​@@sillyguy94And what's really the problem

[@2Btoobee]

oh god, so my nightshaded poisoned stuffs were helping out in ruining their slops, hell yeah! =w= more works to make, gj yall

[@dwaynec1003]

Remind me to never ever hire your services, ty

[@Gwynhyvr]

@@dwaynec1003 cope harder, bro ♥

[@noidontthinksojustno3812]

"It's abuse for you to do what you want to your own art." lol okay

[@UltimatePerfection]

It stops being "your art" the moment you put it online. Then it belongs to everyone.

[@Qwaziop]

@@UltimatePerfectionuh what????

[@SWIFT_NINJA47]

@@UltimatePerfectionSo? You can put glaze / nightshade on your art if you want.

[@nitz_o]

Right like, I OWN it I do what I want!

[@ocularsurfacewatermelon689]

@@SWIFT_NINJA47they mean that you can copy/paste or download any online image and act like its your own. Doesn’t help that most online artists never actually sign their works either. And the fact that everything you post online automatically is at the mercy of and is automatically owned by the company whose site it is.

[@infurnessfire4452]

Let the artist fight they are people who have been scammed the longest

[@AnAngelineer]

Keep on fighting, artists. We can actually win this. A.I. "adapting" to these tools won't happen on its own, and is actually insanely hard to implement. Open A.I. might be able to adapt their algorithms thanks to their billions, but it will be insanely costly for them. At worst, it will "only" wound them pretty bad, which is already a win for us. And considering they aren't really profitable to begin with... that wound might actually be lethal. Only investors and business angels granting them billions are carrying them so far. chatGPT would be losing money without them, just as Dall-E would. A.I. is much more vulnerable than many people think : if it doesn't make enough money, it simply won't be able to continue in its current form. And its ability to scrape the whole Internet for content might just disappear if there is no money to pay for those gigantic data centers.

[@TheGallantDrake]

You're definitely on the money here. The current generation of AI is hitting the limits of what its capable of without being fundamentally reworked. Glaze and Nightshade are just exposing the limitations.

[@bigkspicy8257]

Artists: Can we have opt in model? Ai bros: No, we can take whatever we want. Cope and seethe. Artists: Okay, I'm protecting my data. Ai bros: Noooo you have to let us steal your art 😭

[@nostalgianinja]

2:30 - This is the same argument you would generally have with anticheat and hacks. It's a *constant* cat and mouse game. 5:30 - Consent is a large part of why people are so against AI. There was no consent to train our data, and it's a privacy and ownership violation as a result that there was no reasonable "hey can we do this" - It was scraped without any concern or thought for the current copyright law (DMCA, Copyright acts). 7:30 - Literally admitted a crime and they still haven't shut themselves down. smh

[@Memepig]

Nightshade is still the 🐐

[@anomyx1232]

stop yapping

[@nitz_o]

Yea😎

[@Leo-rd7dt]

But we need need more tools like this to fight AI

[@TheGallantDrake]

​@@anomyx1232u mad u can't draw?

[@queworldwow6262]

Lmao, imagine literal tapeworms calling you an abuser for getting rid of them

[@MazdaTiger]

they said "adapt or die" we choose "adapt" and they cry when we did "adapt" like they asked us to lmao

[@TheGallantDrake]

"Adapt or die." "No wait not like that."

[@Luluflair]

they can steal our art but we aren't allowed to protect OUR work? oh well.

[@Stratelier]

News flash: "Nobody cares." As in, artists don't care what AI techbros have to say when we've _already_ declared a war against them. Longer post version: Let's at least acknowledge the CEO is _technically_ correct in making that statement. But it also reflects the reckless, indiscriminate method by which they've trained their models -- artists wouldn't be complaining (as much) about the potential for style theft/impersonation if the companies spent time _actually curating_ what the model "learns" from the datasets.

[@haresonaga]

Don't bite the hand that doesn't want to feed you in the first place (i am on to nothing 🗣️🗣️🔥)

[@Mewcat]

too hungry

[@hellgazer8370]

bite everyone, they are the food now

[@shroomer3867]

Don't bite the hand that you steal from

[@adir6094]

@@shroomer3867 don’t tell the hand ur feeding off of 😭

[@biwan1000]

😔👈

[@haraya_manawari]

lmao this is like a robber whining and bitching that you put up locks and setup surveillance cameras around to secure your home

[@tjlnintendo]

Sadly there are robbers that do complain lol.

[@CapucineNighly]

They'll prolly complain more when they also noticed you have a bunch of guard dogs. :D So gotta use both programs to be extra sure.

[@Blueberryyymuffin]

I think there have actually been robbers who sued house owners for using security services. Sometimes the robber will trip or something in the house they are robbing and will sue the house owners lol. I think they even win sometimes idk 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Mabayu]

Ai training on my work without my consent is not ok. I dont hate ai, but hate the people using the ai to steal from those without consent given. I also hate the dumb ai drive thrus. Those need to go away. Why would I want to spend 10x longer ordering.

[@MorphMV]

i agree on the last one since it keeps happening whenever i go to a taco bell

[@i2eptilian]

No, but my slop machine! Can't you see? My poor, poor slop machine! it will starve, STARVE, I say, if I am not allowed to keep stealing your art and using it without your consent! How will it continue producing its soulless slop now? Stop ABUSING me!!! What do you want me to do, ASK for the art? Provide some form of COMPENSATION for the use of copyrighted works that do not belong to me?! Or, dare I even say it, CREDIT?! What madness! No, my vast output of worthless slop that's ruining digital art in general with each passing second would be SOMEWHAT INCONVENIENCED if I had to do that, you evil, greedy, monstrous artist! In fact, YOU should be paying ME for the PRIVILEGE of having your art fed into my slop machine and turned into slop!

[@thatstickanimator6602]

I saw a video where someone asked a drive-thru AI for 10,000 water cups, and it started to say “sure!” Before an employee had to take over.

[@anonym4673]

@@thatstickanimator6602 omg where I need to see that lmfao

[@thatstickanimator6602]

@ try searching “can I get 18,000 water cups” I’m pretty sure KZbin doesn’t let you comment links.

[@crazycatlady2744]

This is like a thug calling it abuse for people to sell pepper spray to potential victims.

[@Pokemonmovemaster]

This is probably more on the illegal side but I wonder if AI dataset poisoning could be used to distribute malware or cause significant damage to the LLM itself. Those kinds of things alone would cause a significant decrease in the usage of LLMs for a long while if it can be tricked into harming users like that.

[@shawermus]

Firstly, no. Secondly, LLMs and even image gen are not inherently evil technology to completely shut them down, this is just the same situation as: Nuclear energy. Blockchain. NFTs. Where one big thing screws up the public perception of the technology for decades to go. Fuck big companies.

[@ulawan5]

Now THAT is the kind of cyberpunk warfare that be wild to see

[@anomalousanimates]

if that headline is true, then that might be the most dumbest statement ever by an ai company

[@InvasionAnimation]

We just need to make it illegal to use ai. Look at human cloning. We are fully capable of creating that sice the 1990s. But it is considered illegal and fines are so high the juice ain't worth the squeeze.

[@shadhog0187]

Generative AI is a threat to human expression. So yeah this is a good point.

[@anomalousanimates]

or at least heavily regulated and surveilled

[@Biggiecheese20]

I don't think AI, I think strictly generative AI. (Unless you did mean that, sorry) Because technically AI is used in other helpful and significant things we use in technology. But we seriously need some law crack-down on Gen AI. There's too much danger with that... Especially how gullible people are and how quick misinformation spreads.

[@gonpachi_0303]

i don't want to erm actually because i am an artist (actual artist) myself and the heavy use of ai does directly affect me as well but i think we should simply regulate it for the general public. ai does serve a lot of purpose in the medical field for example, and in places where having a human work would be dangerous/unintuitive. but generative ai? fuck that shit bro. ban it for humans. ai shouldn't be used as a replacement for our creativity

[@InvasionAnimation]

@@gonpachi_0303 Agreed. From what I can tell the most ai does in the medical field is tally all of the symptoms and side effects folks have. It is very simple so I wouldn't even consider it an ai or llm. We should still use it but it can be tallied by humans easily even though I think ai is good in that case. However I disagree about having it replace dangerous work. Not every wants to or can be an artist or a computer guy. We should just increase the hazard pay a lot for the dangerous jobs. Plus a bunch of folks find joy from doing it, so I won't judge.

[@CapucineNighly]

LOL Art thieves hate it when us artists want to protect our works 😂

[@limey24]

KEEP USING GLAZE AND NIGHTSHADE, CHAT. LETS DEFEAT THOSE AI BROS ONCE AND FOR ALL

[@sanakrishna9765]

Ai "art": ❌️ Ai theivery: ✅️

[@white_145]

"Dang bro it's no fair you use doors, how the hell am I supposed to rob you?"

[@lukestarkiller1470]

I think I’m gonna start using nightshade now. This little slip up was all I needed to hear. No company is ever going to admit that these softwares work because then everyone would use them. But they just accidentally revealed that they hate it so much that they’d consider it abuse, which means it’s absolutely working. The artist revolution is at hand!!!

[@LotteYansson]

Stealing is also abuse.

[@J5MNE]

straight facts coming from aigis, spit your shit my dude 🔥 (I have never played Persona3)

[@azaritheraptor]

I hope every artist begins to use night shade and glaze so we can just fuck up ai, and once it learns how to bypass them find something else to ruin it. If we all try hard enough, we can defend our artwork, fuck ai

[@Casual-Yohoho-Enjoyer]

So they are now openly admitting to using images they have absolutely no rights to for their algorithms? Smells like copyright infringement to me bois, can we give them another lawsuit real quick?

[@shroomer3867]

They weren't really hiding it that well in the first place. The mask slipped and nobody can sue them because even though they are legally in the wrong, they can just drown you in debt and long legal proceedings before you even get to the court and even then the lawyers they have sold their souls for that money so it's an uphill battle.

[@remor698]

Journalist: "Did you encounter any poisoned data samples?" OpenAI: "No comment." Journalist: "So what's your opinion on the tools that poison potential data samples?" OpenAI: "They're abusive to our operations." Okay, so the answer to that first question was "Yes." Got it.

[@boscorner]

Hilarious. Not Letting others do whatever they want with your IP without consent is abuse now

[@bokkuro]

"Nooooooo why you don't let us steal your arts so we can replace you?!?!"

[@etoillenoir6169]

Ai isn’t going to take jobs Coke: does their holiday commercial and Santa in AI

[@Vøid202-X]

I feel like it be illegal or at least heavily regulated when it comes to generative ai.

[@amandadiamond7147]

If you pay well for commissions, you will find an artist to draw that for you.

[@Jogjosmowwdkfs]

Exactly. I mean, furry artists make bank (mad respect to them)

[@amandadiamond7147]

@@Jogjosmowwdkfs Exactly my point. they even have the respect of nonfurry artists because of their reputation!

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

open ai be like crybabies lol

[@Mikko-Maggie-More]

no openai, you stealing artwork is abuse

[@starlightthetribewing4774]

“WHY ARENT YOU LETTING ME STEAL YOUR HARD WORK” -OpenAI, crying like a little wimpy baby

[@amythepandemonium3673]

so it does work! cool. imma use it now 😊

[@Bubble-z6y]

Me too 😊

[@smithynoir9980]

Yeah, they've always worked to some degree. These tools and those like them, even if not super effective, are a hitch and the tool can only develop further if more people are using them. Even if it seems at times to be getting less effective or whatever, keep using it.

[@the_newt_nest]

Hey, you know what they say at OpenAI - ask for forgiveness, not for permission.

[@jsmith8147]

its afraid, ITS AFRAID!

[@i2eptilian]

That openai spokesperson calling this abuse is like a coworker stealing your lunch and then coming up to you and complaining that they didn't like it.

[@booleah6357]

I'd play the world's smallest violin for them but they'll need an AI to do it for them.

[@annabella1650]

This situation hopefully motivates people to make more programs like Nightshade and Glaze. Eventually the AI will be able to get around them, we need to have the backups ready.

[@AmberyTear]

Absolutely unhinged levels of entitlement.

[@Project_415]

The fact that they’re complaining about it means it’s working. Like how Germany protested against the use of shotguns in trench warfare.

[@SuperSmashDolls]

10:20 Secret Invasion is a really bad example. The art team for the TV show deliberately picked AI art for the title sequence because animated AI slop actually fits the theming of the show, not because it saved them a few pennies. Keep in mind this was several years ago when generative / regurgitative AI wasn't nearly as good and much more prone to making mistakes. 12:27 I *really* hate the "uncharitable" answer here because it assumes basic artistic skill is some kind of secret club that you have to join and can be excluded from. It's not. The most critical skill an artist can obtain is just having a good sense of taste, and that's one of the skills current "text-to-whatever" AI will *never* be able to teach. In fact, that's why a lot of AI art is such trash: it's made by people with no taste who want to skip getting the skill. Forget the moral arguments (for a moment). People who actually know how to draw, write, or whatever don't use generative AI because it provides vanishingly little value to them. You lose way too much control over the end product. Which means you can't really apply your sense of taste as an artist to control the AI. When artists buy drawing software, they want software that will correctly translate their vision to the screen, not something that will inject it's own vision and take control away from them. AI doesn't save time for anyone who actually knows how to draw. It is a waste of time.

[@recklessthor4]

I am using it on all of my photos as an infrared photographer.

[@PossumMedic]

the parent that hits their kid then goes off when the kid slams a door

[@megazord8672]

Curses from an enemy are praise to a general.

[@aquadraws5833]

WAAAAAHHHH!!!! THE MEAN ARTISTS WON'T LET ME STEAL THEIR WORK!!! WAAAAHHHH!!!!! this is exactly how they sound like.

[@riesonomura]

same energy as NFT bros malding at ppl doing the ol' right click and save, calling it "theft" GOOD. let them mald. 😈

[@defaulted9485]

"They cry in pain as they strike you"

[@Brianna-eo8nu]

I’ve heard mixed things about glaze and nightshades actual effectiveness against ai theft, but now I think I’m gonna keep using them just to spite OpenAI.

[@Starb0y_Imai]

"HOW COULD YOU LOCK YOUR HOUSE THATS ABUSE"

[@Tonnico]

grrrrrr!!!! WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU WON'T LET ME USE YOUR WORK WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION!!!???

[@nolwazi3076]

LMAO so insane to call someone's desire and actions to PROTECT THEIR ART as "abuse"??? absolutely disgusting

[@ukuotuscoffinowl]

It's ridicilous. They want maliciously code AIs with image material that doesn't even belong to them in the first place and AI developers must know that they could have done things different and together with artists,collab and pay a fair fee and have is a helpful too instead of trying to replcace artists but nooo... now they're so upset that artsits are saying no, it's not ok to use artworks like that. Protect your art. Neither it is OK for AI devs and users to go stealing art, plagitarise as some try hard to create 1:1 of their favorite artist's works. There needs to be global rules and laws with AI tools and how it can be used and for what as well as how it can be coding and I would forbid it being possible to create copycat artists.

[@mmkanashiro]

the sad reality is that AI is the 5th industrial revolution and we are seeing the same things we saw with the last 4 workers losing their jobs to machines and striking, the machines getting better every day... i think we can't win the battle, money always speaks louder and this time the machine prints a lot of money

[@hatoru17]

Man will trust his gadget more than his family or first neighbor. AI was not trained to be an assistant. It was trained to be a replacement. It feeds off the data from the art as well as the prompts that people give to it. It's one reason I dislike AI it's because I know the nature of companies. I also know full well that they're not going to drop the human element right away. Once the threshold of data has been collected, the human element will no longer be necessary. Second reason I dislike AI is because the tech Bros were the ones that pushed me into disliking it. Their attitude was no different than the artists they criticized. After that, I feel greatly uncomfortable using those image generators on principle alone.

[@shroomer3867]

The most baffling thing is that AI Bros are mostly either into NFTs or are programmers. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense since they are the ones developing it and then don't consider that it will replace them. They genuinely think that they can keep up with it because they are just "good at their job" even though they don't realize that once the ball goes rolling they will too lose their jobs. I mean it doesn't surprise me really, if NFTs pass for them as a wise investment then they clearly don't know what compound interest is because that's esentially what will happen to AI, at first it's manageable and then it will improve itself and make humans unnecessary in any white collar job. Man I'm just graduating as a developer and it makes me salty that for once that I found something I like to do there's people coming in and ruining it because Daddy Elon told them to support AI.

[@smithynoir9980]

@@shroomer3867 I don't think they believe they can keep up with it, the people developing AI now know they can make a large amount of money now that they don't much care if their job is replaced, they've been paid enough to develop it that they'll live comfortably. Imo, no or very few humans in white collar jobs, or near any traditional job, isn't a problem and should be the long-term goal. I'm coming from the angle of automation leading to an age of post-scarcity. Leaves more time for us to find purpose that isn't derived from working out of necessity. For example, being creative for no other reason than to express ourselves.

[@Korrin69]

You are like the moist critikal of art youtube

[@LinkNinjaMaster]

LMAO yeah, "abuse". If AI companies don't even ask for consent to scrape images off of the internet, that isn't abuse but those tools are?

[@iasked9392]

keep it up, artists! AI slops are already having an incest with itself.

[@RetroPlus]

What Ai image generation does to artist could fall under the definition of "abuse"

[@dumpmail-xz2qp]

with those earnings they could easy afford to pay artists or go to artschool

[@ryvyr]

That takes gal to accuse artists of poisoning the very things being scraped, I'll given them that. Still, they can sit and spin

[@AMightyStorm]

yes please, continue to make these tech bros mald

[@gatokosmico]

womp womp cry me a river Multi-Billion Dollar AI Company

[@gunnaryoung]

Open AI has been taking everyone else's food from the break room fridge and now they're upset that someone put peanuts in their food "even though everyone knows I have a peanut allergy!" _If_ the peanuts were directly given to them, _if_ the creative works on which the model is trained were intentionally, actively submitted to Open AI, _then_ would they have a case.

[@meowz.]

bruh i was eating away during this video and i put down my food when i realized how many subscribers you have?? i was thinking i was watching s video from a 50k youtuber

[@Kouvierl_Elliyse]

IN MY OPINION, AI is only good at making pople suffer

[@thatstickanimator6602]

AI does have very good and valuable uses, but AI image generation isn’t really one of those.

[@The_Questionaut]

Ah yes, the AI ethics saga continues: OpenAI: 'Stop protecting your own work so we can use it for AI training without your permission to profit!' Artists: 'How about no?' *activates Nightshade and Glaze* OpenAI: *Surprised Pikachu face* 'That's abuse!' OpenAI is like that kid who yells 'pause' just before you tag them in a game. They complain when artists defend their rights while simultaneously attacking them. It's a classic case of the bully crying foul when the tables turn. OpenAI, the champion of 'ask for forgiveness, not permission' until someone says 'no.' It’s like watching a toddler throw a tantrum because you won’t let them eat your entire birthday cake. 'But I wanted it!' Yeah, and I wanted my art to remain mine-funny how that works. Next up: OpenAI introduces their groundbreaking 'Do As I Say, Not As I Do' AI ethics module. Because nothing says 'advancing beneficial AI' quite like digital colonialism with a side of gaslighting. Openai's eerie parallels to authoritarian playbooks: 1. Suppressing dissent by calling self-defense 'abuse' 2. Exploiting resources (aka artists' work) without consent 3. Centralizing power faster than a dictator on caffeine 4. Gaslighting artists so hard they’re considering a career in competitive cheese rolling 5. Accidentally embodying the very capitalist exploitation Marx warned us about... Or maybe it isnt an accident. ClosedAI: "Bringing you tomorrow's dystopia, today!" *Kinda eerily fits them* Also not to mention sam altmans worldcoin surveillance thing... Screams 1984 and brave new world. Its almost like the for profit ClosedAi wants to be skynet. Arguments against OpenAI's claim that it's "impossible" to train AI without copyrighted material include: Alternative Training Methods: Companies like Adobe demonstrate that AI can be trained using non-copyrighted content, suggesting that OpenAI's reliance on copyrighted material is more about convenience and cost than necessity. Cost-Effectiveness: Critics argue that OpenAI prefers using copyrighted materials because it's cheaper than licensing or creating original content, indicating a profit-driven motive rather than an insurmountable barrier. Transformative Use Defense: While OpenAI claims its use of copyrighted content falls under "fair use," many believe this argument weakens when the end product is commercialized, challenging the notion that training AI constitutes transformative use. Overall, critics assert that OpenAI's position is an excuse to avoid the financial implications of proper licensing. OpenAI's exploration into generating ethical porn raises concerns about its profit motives and ethical implications. Critics argue that this shift indicates a prioritization of revenue over ethical standards, as the company seeks to capitalize on a lucrative market while navigating public backlash. Profit Incentive: By considering NSFW content, OpenAI may be aiming to tap into a profitable sector, potentially prioritizing financial gains over user safety and ethical considerations. Excuses for Cost-Cutting: The claim that it's exploring responsible content generation may serve as a convenient excuse to avoid investing in comprehensive content moderation and licensing strategies, which could be more costly than simply allowing user-generated explicit content. Risk of Exploitation: Allowing AI-generated erotic content could exacerbate existing issues with non-consensual material and exploitation, suggesting that OpenAI is neglecting the broader societal impacts in favor of commercial interests (as usual) Even though i already said it, here it is again: ClosedAI: "Bringing you tomorrow's dystopia, today!"

[@tttttttttttttttp12]

Great read

[@Amieee]

I can’t believe they had the audacity to label this as ‘abuse’. Then what is your whole AI thing then?

[@AristizabalixGrimm]

Appropriately enough, isn't nightshade itself a poisonous berry in real life?

[@G.A.C_Preserve]

What you're looking for is Deadly nightshade fruit Nightshade is a family of tree Tomato is in the nightshade family for example (they used to think that tomato is poisonous for that reason or another, but I don't know)

[@Teacup44]

Specifically "Deadly Nightshade" but, yes

[@princefilled]

I can't use Glaze or Nightshade but I wish I could. :[

[@aisiszoe3945]

SAMEE

[@katharinafisher394]

*playing the world's smallest violin*

[@ralfian0234]

Considering how the spokesperson mentioned "the safety of its products" and "improving its safety measures", they probably didn't know what Glaze and Nightshade is and thought it was another case of "abusing" their AI to generate offensive content. Basically none of this means anything, for better or worse.

[@supercoolmaniajon265]

My brother when I get up from my chair (He sprayed me with a can of Febreeze): 😭🏃‍♂️