Orange (Flaming) Espinas Frontier/Sunbreak Moveset Comparison

[@LoncusZhao]

Good comparison. I just wanted to note that the new spinning horn grind is actual frame-by-frame from Bloodbath Diablos' moveset in MHGU. It even has the same startup stance, but without the steam that bloodbath did.

[@GBA-049]

Good observation! I didn't even know he had that move honestly

[@garterbelttights6607]

no one can do bb's moves better than himself 😌

[@Lator_the_Gator]

​@garterbelttights6607 the Apex did :)

[@D_us_T]

@@Lator_the_Gatorno the apex were awful lol

[@Lator_the_Gator]

​@D_us_T nah they were great

[@Circular_Square]

I really like the Espinas' they've very quickly jumped to some of my fav monsters and I hope we can get other Frontier monsters in the mainline games.

[@bobsmith8405]

Once again, thank you for this. Do hope we can get White Espinas for a comparison.

[@Masterofhammers]

What scares me the most is that hammers water strike can block the nuke intirely. No chip damage or anything.

[@LoncusZhao]

It's cause Water Strike isn't a guard. It's an I-frame move. It's very similar to foresight slash from LS.

[@Masterofhammers]

I know but you have to imagine how scary that was trying it for the first time

[@JanusHoW]

@@Masterofhammers I-frames are I-frames. If you can figure out what parts of the move contain the I-frames, you can perform it through any attack. As an SA main, I try to use the Elemental Burst Counter whenever I can take advantage of such an attack. It not only provides I-Frames, but fills up my Amp gauge to increase the damage of my attacks,

[@LoneThzeroGrAPhY]

​@@JanusHoW excuse me, I'm Japanese Hunter. I-frame means invincible frame, right?

[@JanusHoW]

@@LoneThzeroGrAPhY yes

[@vengeflyking2722]

He used to cause an meteor shower? What a shame that that didn’t get in. Still, he’s one of my favorites in Sunbreak.

[@PoloRossi]

Hopefully Capcom makes a Hazard mission where it comes back

[@manikaditha6308]

That meteor shower aint gonna hit you unless youre intended to play bad hahaha

[@baconboi4482]

@@manikaditha6308the meteors do hit you, you have to dodge them or go right up to orange when he does it. Or block with guard +2. But the radius is too big for non evasion boost dodge to get out of the radius

[@manikaditha6308]

@@baconboi4482 eh, they never hit me even once even when i never paid attention to it, all i did just run and avoid the outer stage. At least white fatty lightning hit you occasionally, this one? I doubt people who already reach g rank are that dumb.

[@equinox-XVI]

If I remember correctly, Blinking has a poison rain attack that was given to Lucent as part of its moveset (albeit heavily nerfed from its Frontier version)

[@GBA-049]

It actually originated from Exotic Nargacuga but yeah, I noticed that from the very beginning

[@Joe-yx1gq]

Flaming has became one of my Favorite Monsters to Fight kinda Wish his Rare Species was added to have the Special Team Attack in the Arena Quests!

[@GBA-049]

Maybe soon

[@SandMan1998]

White espinas is like deviant monster tier

[@Amatsu_storm_approach]

​@@SandMan1998The normal one was already in that tier.

[@redragon8551]

​@@Amatsu_storm_approachnormal espinas is seemingly apex tier. Flaming is confirmed elder tier in the Sunbreak lore book So I assume White would be like on par with Savage deviljho,Velkhana,Nergi,etc

[@Amatsu_storm_approach]

@@redragon8551 Normal espinas can pefrectly kill a kushala,so he already is Elder dragon tier. Flaming literally one shots a Teostra.

[@RagingBrachy]

Flaming espinas is the best monster currently in sunbreak

[@oeeo6thealatreon118]

I’m honestly scared of how white espinas might be like if brought back lmao

[@GBA-049]

For one thing, I'm hoping it's deadly poison would actually BE deadly.

[@oeeo6thealatreon118]

@@GBA-049 yeah it’s honestly weird both espinas so far have normal poison

[@GBA-049]

@@oeeo6thealatreon118 Worse when you notice that the Rath's last longer

[@thatnoctutnallizard4600]

@@GBA-049 yeh like if that's gonna be the case make espinas have more potent poison

[@adhdasdfroflxd123]

@@GBA-049 Am I understanding this correctly when I feel like I'm not the only player who thinks that Rise Espinas' poison is too weak?

[@big_weenie1447]

Me and my friends had some code words for what Espinas was gonna do back in Frontier. We used to call the walk into nuke the "Drunken Dad" in Frontier, but in Sunbreak we call it the "Poop Walk"

[@GBA-049]

@@big_weenie1447 Sounds about right lol

[@christunpouncy2725]

8:24 LMAO????

[@ciphymasterofmedia9104]

The meteor shower charge being absent makes the SB version noticeablely worse and less unique imo. Where Frontier's orange espinas with charge up more frequently and have more variety of charge moves he could pull, SB's is a nuke charge with an occasional follow up.

[@GBA-049]

As Cera said on Twitter. Orange Espinas sadly lost his soul in Sunbreak

[@nidohime6233]

They might have remove that move because is something only an elder dragon would do, like Fatalis. Now there is less bullshit around while fighting the monster.

[@supergamers7558]

I like it over all and its a shame they didn't put the super charge nuke in but at the same time it was probably an executive desision to not put in.

[@thatnoctutnallizard4600]

They didn't want the great combo of the "noob destroyer" either lmao

[@niklasmitfussl2639]

@@thatnoctutnallizard4600 I'm glad all moves that got cut, got cut. They are all essentially "get off me" moves that you have to run away from for 5 seconds, which imo don't really fit in with the gameplay of Sunbreak. His nuke essentially already does that.

[@nightbladex6929]

It’s weird he didn’t get Buddy armor and never goes to the Sand Plains.

[@bobisuncanny2760]

6:07 More likely Bloodbath Diablos spinning attack

[@Hazel-II]

Flaming definitely has the move where he flies back after the three fireballs. I've seen it a couple of times.

[@GBA-049]

Well I was just unlucky then

[@Hazel-II]

@@GBA-049 from I can tell its how he ends the 3 fireballs when hes enraged

[@redofculture9502]

I like the subtle nods to other frontier moves How do you like flaming compared to the original orange Or in general

[@GBA-049]

Subjectively, he's ok at best. Sunbreak made him into a fearsome powerhouse but suffers from being a little bit too predictable. In comparison to Frontier, Orange Espinas was naturally intimidating that gave new meaning to feeling weak and defenseless when you even approach the damn guy. I sadly didn't get that in Sunbreak as much as I wanted to. But for what the experience is worth, Orange Espinas is decent.

[@redofculture9502]

@@GBA-049 I admit for a game that's all about being fast paced sunbreak makes the monsters slow, take for instance rajang and made moves very predictable with lots of build up I haven't played frontier so I'll savor every moment I can but I would love for them to keep the unpredictability rather than slow anticipated attacks with whate comes next And then there is white espinas Or shiten/ peerless monsters

[@GBA-049]

@@redofculture9502 Agreed

[@marcusaaronliaogo9158]

@@GBA-049 furious got rock throw

[@spark9189]

really wish that the "ultra charge death combo" and meteor storm came back, especially since magnamalo basically already has the first one. definitely appreciate the hazard version of the fight bringing back the instant charges and making the fireballs faster.

[@espinas5981]

I sure am skilled aren't I!

[@YourOrdinaryNecromancer234]

Yo, its espinas himself 😳😳😳

[@nidohime6233]

Is likely they add moves from other monsters to make it stand out more since those aren´t planned to be introduce to the main series. Or if they do they might get new movesets. I like how Espinas stomps twice like an angry todler.

[@GBA-049]

Too late now to call it the "Horn Spin"

[@GKnight3553]

You think A7 star afflicted mons get an afflicted Garangolm style super nova? Maybe Flaming will get his Hyper Ultra Greatsword lvl 3 Charge burst back, missed that thing tbh.

[@GBA-049]

Would be nice if

[@creativetitle9247]

It would be neat, but I kind of doubt it. Even Garangolm's nuke isn't actually restricted to the afflicted version (it's just a lot easier to knock the normal one out of that state before it gets to do it).

[@tactile2878]

Iirc the pulsing green is unique to the Hard Core variant of Flaming Espinas in Frontier. Regular Flaming has more yellowy highlights, but they’re overall more orange in SB

[@baconboi4482]

It’s so sad orange espinas got mega nerfed when he was made into flaming Espinas, it no longer scares me to even be tapped by him anymore. I can take hits fine, with orange Espinas I have to be very careful cause even in ZP gear he one shots to near one shots. And his attacks deal so much damage if standard guard without any specific guard skills it takes chunks off your health anyway

[@GBA-049]

Yeah he was a completely different untamed beast in Frontier. Don't know what fear is? He'll gladly teach you. Nerfed in Sunbreak, but still shouldn't be underestimated because he still has that power from before. It's just not as potent or threatening

[@Deoix9877]

personally I feel his circling horn grind attack is way closer to bloodbath's than anorupatisu's

[@Sandy-oo7sc]

waiting for the meteor adaptation in rise but sadly didn't get it, that move scared me when i hunting this monster even if i'm using halk pot for 70% dmg cut anyway is it just me or rise espi is slower compared to frontier espi?

[@godzillainternasionalforce4562]

I want Anorupatisu in Wilds!

[@manikaditha6308]

I like sunbreak better, orange espinas have a lot of opening in frontier but he also loves to spam one shot shit. Yes its very easy to block and evade them, but youre bound to make mistakes sometimes, that's why true guts+status immunity is basically mandatory for comfy run. I also like flaming more because he simply taunts a lot more.

[@alexgonzalez-ki7ls]

Could you do comparison videos of afflicted vs non-afflicted monsters. Like there speed differences or if they have different moves cause some like the garangolm have like 1 or 2 new moves.

[@GBA-049]

Afflicted monsters are just enhanced versions of normal monsters with Malzeno's shtick. There's really not much to compare other than tankier health skins and high dps. And I've fought plenty of them to notice that there's nothing different, attack wise

[@calfae01]

Okay why didn't they bring the frontier moves over to Sunbreak?! That launcher in to the fireball nuke is perfect for wirefall dodging! The bite tail slam is really lame compared to the frontier exclusive moves! Sigh.

[@JanusHoW]

I had this theory regarding Frontier and the mainline series that may or may not have been re-kindled by the appearance of Espinas in Sunbreak. The theory is that the world of Monster Hunter is far larger than even the Guild fully realizes, which could explain how it could support a large number of predators with the median size being that of a Rathalos or Rathian. The Great Dragon War and/or Ecological Calamity did such a huge number on the ancient civilization(s) that they were forced to retreat to the continent that the mainline games take place on. Meanwhile, the rest of the planet was reclaimed by nature over thousands of years, and the lands men, Wyverians and Troverians once walked were claimed by monsters. These monsters would then begin competing with one another, evolving and growing more powerful over the generations. Inevitably, however, some weaklings might escape being killed by their stronger brethren, and would retreat to the lands of civilization as a safe haven of sorts. However, the fear never goes away, and is ingrained in their animal brains. This instinctive paranoia over being attacked might explain why Sunbreak's Espinas and Flaming Espinas are so much quicker to completely wake up - they fear that if they don't counterattack quickly, they'll be killed. tl;dr - The monsters of the mainline games are the weakest monsters, and the Frontier ones represent the majority.

[@athos9293]

Yea, they could've done him better

[@thechugg4372]

Like base espinas, why bring back poison/para/burn if it only lasts a fraction of a second...

[@Paotato69]

They did a good job of bringing over espinas and his orange cousin. Stayed true to the monsters power in frontier without going overboard. I really like that they added some moves similar to other frontier monsters too.