Orcs In DnD Are Just Mexican People Now... The Last Bit Of Magic And Fantasy Ground Into Paste

The suffocating curse of woke modernity chokes the magic and life out of one more fantasy franchise as new DnD not only removes all the uniqueness of it's races and species but even destroys the very fundament of their nature, appearance and style. The Orc is supposed to be an anti-civilizational force! And yet in new Dungeons and Dragons they themselves are just normal people now! Wearing normal clothing and hunting using normal birds. This is the bland and uninteresting future that fantasy has been reduced to.
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[@wrongthinker843]

WotC: "Orcs are blacks" Everyone: "That's pretty racist g" WotC: "Okay, now they're mexicans/gypsies"

[@judgedrekk2981]

Everyone: that's even more racist!

[@sum1337]

@@judgedrekk2981 europe : KILLLLLL THEMA LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLL REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@able34bravo37]

My first thought when I saw the video title was "I thought they were black!"

[@artnull13]

Woko haram at it again 😂

[@russianoverkill3715]

That's goblins

[@maltardraco9555]

The orcs are just applying for asylum in Minas Tirith. The orcs are just fleeing poverty, that's why they have to move to Rivendell. The orcs are just looking integrate into Rohanic culture. Barbarism is just part and parcel of living in the Shire.

[@DaLkalts]

That's the point, since hasbro sells us propaganda

[@ComposedSage75]

I’m just glad that Hispanic folks have been calling this nonsense out. Orcs are just Orcs. That’s it.

[@aj.j5833]

They are the inherently evil force you didn't have to think about fighting they are inherently evil.

[@karytyrrell1540]

werent Orcs a metaphor for Blacks a while back and now they are Mexican? 🤔

[@Helpertin]

Nope, they are mexicans now. Andele, orc!

[@Athetos_Admech]

It's just a repeat of the leftists thinking orcs are black people meme. These idiots don't seem to understand that if they look at an inhuman monster and think "those must be (insert ethnic group here)" then they're the ones who are being racist.

[@Ryzen776]

I don't get the logic. They're mad because the orc are *supposedly* a caricature of black people. So what do they do? They turn the orc into caricature of Mexican...

[@Lonovavir]

"Cast that wall spell 10 feet taller" - DJT, 15th level wizard/5th level Archmage

[@stunfire]

The orcs were colonized

[@morescodesup2087]

Who domesticated the orcs?

[@gabrielclark1425]

​@@morescodesup2087 a bunch of Nuns, apparently.

[@stunfire]

@@morescodesup2087 Hasbro

[@ostsan8598]

we wuz orkz

[@mllhild]

​@@morescodesup2087the never ending stream of horny elfs

[@Strill_]

The Suebian barbarians saw it as their religious and moral duty to crush anyone too weak to resist them, and they held yearly campaigns to attack everyone around them. That is what Orcs represent.

[@MrLolguy93]

First the Orcs were Normans, then the Huns, then black people, and now Mexicans. Wonder what's next?

[@duncanharrell5009]

Mongols?

[@oceanbrown7159]

@@duncanharrell5009 No. They will tie in to "white supremacists" The horse shoe theory thing. they will circle back at some point to make their ideology enemies be the evil race that has to be slain to save the world.

[@bluemage67]

Indian.

[@ElGreco15]

Orcs are LGHDTV, as a species. Obviously

[@midgetydeath]

Asians, probably. Especially Mongols. Though, orc mongols would at least be cool. Since the liberals would ignore Mongolian culture as they’re too ignorant and stupid to realize Mongols even have a culture.

[@katsuyaki7605]

They complained that orcs were just stereotypes of blacks, and so their idea to fix this supposed outrage was to make them stereotypes of Mexicans, instead.

[@scurvydog20]

Arch: works should be barbarian hords trying to invade and pillage D&d: yea Mexicans

[@54032Zepol]

Badass hombre!

[@cousinzeke4888]

When you put it that way...

[@antonioliles5027]

I mean....

[@Violatorsama1]

I mean it is not an inaccurate comparison. t. living in Cali. Competed in1995 in PA for farm work against illegals.

[@ScurvyBoi]

Nice name

[@JoTheVeteran]

"Look how amazingly racist we are! First we said orcs are black people, now they are Mexicans! Aren't we great!?"

[@jonathanspencer4834]

Yes, but they're Mexicans at one with nature . Ranching and falconry , those Mexican orcs are noble and will probably vote Democrat if we let them in .

[@iwantobeliev9633]

Orcs before: Strong, scary warriors and shamans. Raided villages and stuff. Orcs now: Nomad hippies. Illegally enter Baldurs Gate and take your jobs.

[@adrenjones9301]

You forgot sadistic ra**ists.

[@kaligath6616]

I want to roleplay as ICE a bunch of wizards looking to deport these filthy orcs.

[@jasonsantos3037]

They took our jobs

[@ElGreco15]

​@@kaligath6616play kingmaker and have them pay for the wall

[@lyvekis8824]

"They aRe tAking oUr jerbs."

[@JokerJK-jg1gi]

This was the thing that irked me the most about Baldur's gate 3. Drows, Duergar, Deep Gnomes, thieflings, EVERYWHERE, they are supposed to be rare races, meeting one is supposed to have a STORY behind it, nah, they are everywhere. Meanwhile, The humans are more rare than Drow in a surface human city and actually regular elves pretty much nonexistent.

[@malaficus]

Now that you mention it. Your right.

[@rb98769]

That's just modern D&D for you. Everyone is humans with different coats of paint.

[@artnull13]

You would have thought with the number of gay and lesbian gnome couples you come across in BG3 - they should’ve been a lot rarer 😂

[@boblately5402]

On top of trying to pack every human race into each fantasy type. Look there’s the Asian drow, the black tiefling with kinky hair, the black elf, the Asian gnome. List goes on and on.

[@dancorneanu9144]

Normal humans nowhere, but humans that don't look like humans everywhere.

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

And these are the people who complain about cultural appropriation. They can't even depict pre modern Mexican culture right

[@MakeLoveNotWar687]

That’s when the white man learned to genocide because they forgot to write everything down how far back you going fam.?

[@MakeLoveNotWar687]

The Spanish and Portuguese said fuck you to the old natives what’s the lore?

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

@@MakeLoveNotWar687 what is that supposed to mean? That's prior to Mexico. Mexico came to be after independence. Take your puerile hostility to Mexico elsewhere. You fit better with WOTC.

[@musicninja98]

​@@MakeLoveNotWar687 meh, the old natives should have been better at war.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@MakeLoveNotWar687 found the WoTC writer

[@ElGreco15]

The orc with the axe even has the feminist haircut. Immersion in my role playing game? Never

[@antonioliles5027]

LOL I can at least get behind that! They are modern barbarians anyways lol😅😅😅

[@artnull13]

I believe they prefer the gender neutral Orx these days 😂

[@jonathanspencer4834]

Wokeists get their grubby mitts on it - it becomes political .

[@foxdavion6865]

I've found people who self insert into setting are in general: humourless, have issues, mentally unstable, drama trains on their way to wreck curve and more often than not creeps with some perverse fetish. This is an observation in general, doesn't just apply to the "woke", but... almost all of them are like that... so...

[@CommanderRedEXE]

​@@jonathanspencer4834 They got their mitts on it with 5e. They're why WotC made the change to allow players to allocate their stat pluses and minuses however the player wants instead of to racially specific stats. Anyone who saw that get added in but still bought new shit is part of the problem. D&D is dead. We have to stop buying it and let it finally die for good.

[@HBon111]

I'm not racist, I have an Orc gardener!

[@shaynewalker3248]

>wizard teacher: Turn in your essay >Ork acolyte: I ain't no snitch

[@Grissbane]

They really looked at orcs and said HEY ESE I'M BREAKIN INTO YOUR CAR

[@coreypatton6290]

"Welcome, to the Filthy Frank show."

[@Starcraftgamer97]

Better watch out. Instead of raiding your village, they'll be hijacking your catalytic converter. A man can start anew with rebuilding a village, but a catalytic converter can total his old work truck.

[@alexmorariu2736]

Instinctively i read that in Frank's voice, realising only after that it actually was from Filthy Frank

[@jamesmaclennan4525]

Viva la Rasa

[@ghoulbuster1]

Orks will start selling Dragon ball themed taco stands.

[@Acesahn]

I can't wait to tell my Afro Latino friend that he's still an orc.

[@woldemunster9244]

Has he tried bleach?

[@rebbyra]

And in the next D&D session, we will be dealing with the wizard that teleports in hundreds of "Orcs" in order to keep the wages down...

[@christopherbravo1813]

"Alright folks, I'm gonna cast the....the uh....magic....thing!"

[@anonperson3972]

ROFL

[@jefferson7097]

​@@christopherbravo1813 Careful magic is cultural appropriation. We're gonna have to cancel your xp for this session.

[@ghoulbuster1]

Wizard with a small wizard hat

[@Sorain1]

Why do you think Necromancers always get a bad rap? Either they're seen as producing undead labor to cut wages/slavery, or as a slaver/capitolist who literally owns the labor. This is just that but with extra steps.

[@kyosokutai]

Fun fact: The Japanese beastial pig faced orcs are based on early DnD depictions. Japanese take *tradition* seriously.

[@Darth_Conans]

That's why kobolds are still little dog men in a lot of Japanese media too.

[@mutegrab666]

1st edition they illustrated them like that.

[@Docktavion]

Yeah, rpgs etc. from Japan (and other places) pulled heavily from dnd.

[@FrederikEngelmand]

do the Japanese see Orcs as black peole?

[@mud2479]

Our Orc gardener Jez'us Ra'Mirez

[@judgedrekk2981]

the Orc Chef Ped'ro Mar'tinez

[@chiefbungalow]

The Ork warboss Jau'n Per'ez

[@stevenmike1878]

orklehandro

[@eddoh2701]

​@@stevenmike1878Waagh-lejandro Orc'tega

[@EbenezerEibenhardt]

We gonna concurr dee elbz, mang.

[@project9701]

Showing, yet AGAIN, that the people in charge of these franchises are the people that have always hated us and always wanted to make us miserable. Why? Because they CAN. They need no other reason why.

[@diegohg8786]

im Mexican and this are no longer orcs, this is bs.

[@astrovarius543]

They are your fellow people now lmao

[@ayambeamonte4384]

No more hordes, now norco cartels.

[@diegohg8786]

@@ayambeamonte4384 haha

[@kuns7ler]

​@@ayambeamonte4384with the gang leader El Chaporco and the national hero Panchorc Vil'La

[@TheGreenKnight500]

You are now an orc, sorry

[@getthegoons]

Imagine looking at a horrible monstrous raider orc, seeing a black person, and thinking that is someone elses fault

[@LudicrousInc.]

Even the Orc waifus the total horn dogs on the internet make are closer to what Orcs SHOULD look and act like. This just feels like straight-up racism 🤣

[@johnlucas2838]

Oh man, some of the Orc Women in hentai, oh my, they'd just smother if you know what I mean.

[@HenshinFanatic]

That's because it is.

[@ninstar8165]

Removing all points of reference regarding "other" or "outsider". Thus there will be no "insider". No cultural or national exclusivity.

[@Khobotov]

DnD: "Let's take the fantasy out of our fantasy universe, I'm sure people will love it."

[@lightborn9071]

Yeah, let's use racism instead.

[@amateural]

Bro twitter is eating this shit like it's crack idk what's going on but they love it over there

[@GreyKnight7777]

Seems pretty fantastic to me. What's your rationale for saying it isn't?

[@praetoriandorn3154]

These people can't fathom what fantasy is. Everything is always political and racial allegory to them.

[@lightborn9071]

@@praetoriandorn3154 Fantasy is reality told different, but I'd rather see the fantasy of an educated, reasonable person instead of the delusions of a spiteful, complex-driven freak.

[@markedfang]

The goal of this change is to turn the only valid villains in DnD into humanity itself. Imagine a bunch of hunter gatherers only reason to attack human settlements to be some hippy bullsh*t.

[@boblately5402]

Well most lefties side with the bugs in starship troopers so XD

[@Sorain1]

Man, I kind of laugh at that because they're going about it absolutely the wrong way. Villains are active, they act and heroes react. When I put together a 'basically all the villains are humans' setting, I got that via forcing humanity into a corner and then letting the logical results of desperation and revenge justification on literally everyone else play out. (Also it's hard to say your the good guy when you have the deity that made you, who was always on your side, chained up in the basement and continually bled to make disposable super soldiers with.)

[@ethancox9737]

@@Sorain1 Wait, what D&D race has their deity chained up?

[@TheSouloftheDragon]

Great, now we have to use taxpayer money to hire some wizards to make the wall higher.

[@kaligath6616]

Just hire the wizards who specialize in ICE spells.

[@greenknightofwar7024]

@@kaligath6616won’t work, the heat here is immense. Perhaps casting firewall will be more effective.

[@occultnightingale1106]

just make the Orcs pay for it

[@Lonovavir]

And let's not get started on the Hobgoblin kingdom out West.

[@greenknightofwar7024]

@@Lonovavir the horde lands Goblifornia. Truly desolate nightmare realm.

[@Covah86]

"What isn't allowed here?" "Racism" "And what did we learn?" "They're people now."

[@nikolasfaraday9934]

Modern DnD art looks so generic and boring.

[@Jetstoanywhere]

Truth I have this book called " the world's of TSR" and that art is awesome. Chock full of just fantastic stuff details you could get lost in. This stuff is just painfully generic

[@Greshgore]

And now you have to question how much of it is AI art to begin with

[@alexanderbrown4464]

I dont know if I would even bless this with the term "generic" all it can be referd as, Is "sanitized" or even better "modernised".

[@korak2183]

It doesn't look like fantasy anymore. There was a new picture for the minotaurs at some point, maybe it' still up. The minotaur looked like an ugly cow person and not at all like the beast that formed the myth.

[@angryman2406]

In a bid to offend no one, they created art that is in itself offensively bland.

[@vampirecount3880]

That's why I stopped playing D&D with my friends and I don't buy games with their rules anymore either. It's not just Orcs, the D&D universe is 'progressive' in every detail. It stopped being fun and many things lost their meaning.

[@kathrineici9811]

Why are you using their worlds? They can’t force you to make mexican stereotype orcs. Or anything else they demand

[@Fuzzycat16]

It's a safe setting now.

[@tzaphkielconficturus7136]

Have you tried any TTRPGs outside of D20 systems like D&D and Pathfinder? There are some really great ones out there, depending on the sort of game you want to play. D&D has this issue where the system is not well designed for anything except the simple professional adventurer game, and so editions either streamline it towards that and squeeze the life out of it in the process or attempt to add complexity on the backend and end up with a game like 3.5 or Pathfinder where you can model anything poorly. If you're looking to avoid the "progressive" stuff, Ars Magica has a very interesting cosmology based around straight Catholicism, neo-platonic supernal magic, and Aristotelian physics (lightning is hot rocks) along with a setting based on real world medieval history, with a secret society of autistic ancap wizards trying (and failing) to avoid the outside world to get time in their labs. I struggle to imagine a game less "progressive" than this, where the forces of heaven and hell are played straight, and mentioning Newton is a fireball worthy offense. The infernal book even has advice for the DM on how to temp your players' characters to Sin subtly and insidiously in a way which is tempting to the player, not just the character; by time they realize they crossed the line, it will have happened long ago.

[@Wbfuhn]

This got even "more" racist. Orcs/Orks/Krorks are a species not related to humans or anything else. They are their own species. The equivalent difference between a rabbit and a snake, or bird and fish. It's time for a new IP.

[@TheatreStyle]

The first orcs were elves.

[@roiking2740]

@@TheatreStyle Depends on the IP...

[@aj.j5833]

@@TheatreStyle Orcs now just generic fantasy evil race.

[@michaelroy7754]

​​@@TheatreStylein lord of the rings. In warhammer Orcs are literally fungi... a bioweapon

[@theworstcatholic7247]

I would say closer to a gorilla and a human. But overall same concept. They are humanoid obviously and close enough they'd be considered apes in real life. But go try to have a rational convo with a gorilla, it won't end well.

[@xenomorphphantom8852]

Orcs used to be a mix between Robert E. Howards "Marchers of Valhalla" and the dark creatures of William Hope Hodgson's "The House on the Borderland". The savagery of Howard's barbarians added to the inhuman nature of Hodgson's creatures. That's what Orcs were once supposed to be.

[@terrymoose7273]

Orcs are very good at mowing my lawn and trimming my hedges with their giant war axes.

[@r.c.8268]

Orcs do works that elves dont want to do, like construction and harvesting, and they do it at half the silver

[@54032Zepol]

Orcs have great food too boot, like burritos 🌯 and tacos 🌮 😋

[@patchmoulton5438]

@@r.c.8268 Hang on, I've seen this movie. I think it was called Bright or something.

[@Apostate_ofmind]

"Orcs are supposed to be barbarians, savages, invaders!" "All im hearing is 'mexican', got it, i'll give them cowboy hats and a mustache" Thats called racism. Whats next, going to give goblins curly hair?? The projection is unreal.

[@martinlopez2816]

Well JK Rowling already did the whole curly haired, long nose goblin bankers in her books first 😆🤣

[@ElClaudioBasado]

Ackchyually they prefer to call them Orx

[@amateural]

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@ghoulbuster1]

Da grok did ya say to me pinché humie?

[@SebasTian58323]

Please keep in mind though that is you ask an orc about it they'll most likely say that it's awful, so just trust me that they do.

[@user-mg2dz7nr6y]

Разрывная

[@Hewhowantstoknow]

Arch: "Orcs are just people now" The woke: "Yes, correct, Orcs are just people"

[@tathemrelag3123]

2:23 "They're more likely to apply for asylum than to invade anything." You really think there's a difference between those things, Arch?

[@mercaius]

One of those things has actual balls.

[@christophermonteith2774]

One asks for permission, the other takes without it

[@BloodwyrmWildheart]

@@christophermonteith2774 Both are invasive.

[@Re-PhantomZero]

This is overflowing estrogen, i hate what they did to D&D.

[@Kawanakajima]

Someone at some point decided that Orcs are actually Black people (because everything has to be political). And so, consequently, we can't have Orcs be portrayed as barbarian savages, because that'd be like saying all Black people are barbarian savages. Yeah, if that doesn't make sense to you, don't worry.

[@ZmbieTaco]

Anyone that has seen Oakland knows orcs are an apt description.

[@ironclad4451]

which ironically only proves those people who have that outlook ARE RACIST. they see barbarian cultures and automatically think "oh, they can't be white" lmao. Pathetic.

[@anonperson3972]

I always thought orcs should be a nomadic herder race, a complex culture that is anthethical to settled civilisation, wearing skins and wool, eating nothing but meat and alchoholic milk and whatever else they raid from their neighbors. Normally they are a problem in the borders where they raid, but occasionally a khan will come along and unite them into a civilisaiton ending horde.

[@CommanderRedEXE]

​@@anonperson3972 They were based mostly on the Golden Horde(nomadic mongolians).

[@DoctorFail]

They said the same thing about goblins and Jewish people

[@rushindweeb4085]

Average KBW: "orcs are racist! They stereotype black people!" Same KBW: proceeds to dress them as a different ethnicity

[@EuphoriaDeep]

Girlboss up front has "the haircut", too.

[@Blackdawn1975]

yeah i noticed that to lol

[@NewCanada]

Social justice haircuts and rainbow hair colors are warning signs. I don't trust anyone with one or both of these things.

[@ZmbieTaco]

That haircut is the 2nd biggest redflag ever imo 1st is blue hair

[@cameronjames3499]

0:40 I wouldn't say it's "excellent art", it's completely soulless and is somewhat unheimlich/uncanny in a made-by-committee sort of way. It's the type of art you'd expect to see as a mural in a random corridor at City Hall.

[@Le-cp9tr]

Orcs with sombreros, tacos and mustaches sounds like something actually funny. WoTC naturally would never do it because it actually involves creativity and talent

[@aj.j5833]

And belong in 40K with Speed Freeks.

[@Riftrender]

Orc banditos.

[@GeordieSwordsman]

@@aj.j5833 Direct competitors to the Freebootaz. Banditoz.

[@captinreveng1441]

Like won't that kinda thing get you canceled by the inclusive crowd? Bold move WOTC

[@ianwatterson6970]

​@aj.j5833 death skulls

[@seanturner1197]

"The orcs slaughtered my people. And their demonic magics corrupted the land." -Akama, elder sage of the broken draenei.

[@brei2670]

Mexicans, huh? Subtle...

[@HenshinFanatic]

Like a wrecking ball.

[@Muljinn]

In short, they’re just humans in rubber masks. How stunning and brave…

[@waffelganger7045]

From hard "R" orcs to rolling "R" orcs...

[@animalbeast6564]

took alot of your last brain cells to tell that joke huh. Touch grass

[@waffelganger7045]

Got an orc to mow my grass for me.

[@mrgeeviestee]

🤣

[@axaviatorgames2250]

Back in my day we didn't have cantrips, dwarves had magic resistance, elves were still up tight jerks, tielflings were universally disliked, dragons had spells naturally, there was no feats, no death saving throws and combat was much more dangerous and we had THAC0. But atleast it wasn't boring, distilled and most of all, it was still fantasy

[@ekscalybur]

THAC0 was so intuitive too. I have hated this constant push to turn everything into homogenized slop.

[@axaviatorgames2250]

@@ekscalybur I agree, but I suppose they changed to the d20 system to make things easy for new players. I tried to get players to try adnd2e but they simply couldn't wrap their heads around THAC0. My issue with dnd these days is that it coddles the players so much, magic items don't feel special anymore and monsters are much easier to defeat, I remember when zombies and skeletons were actually a scary prospect to fight without a cleric

[@rcrawford42]

I played the game before "tiefling" was a word.

[@ReadilyAvailibleChomper]

Time for my hot takes: Ancient players are using the awful new changes in “one dnd” or whatever as an excuse to whine about everything beyond 1st edition.

[@axaviatorgames2250]

@@ReadilyAvailibleChomper I grumble about stuff is to easy now a days, you youngsters have stuff easy and truly don't know what real danger is like.

[@ryannoble1056]

I could just picture the orks from 40k wearing ponchos, sombreros, while having long twirled mustaches screaming, "buenos Dias pansy humies, El Waaagh!"😂

[@verilyveronica8430]

They are guacamole tacos

[@tubebubereboot6873]

Dakkas?! Dakkas?! We don't need no steeenking Dakkas!

[@EbenezerEibenhardt]

Why is it I can already see the orc mariachis on the game board in my head...

[@midgetydeath]

It…actually, on the Crimson Fists’ home planet, they might have. Orcs doing things like that for shits and giggles happens sometimes.

[@DoctorPhobos]

Waaaaaagh to mariachi music?

[@jwchampagne1]

"Okay, it's a deal. We'll get rid of that warband of orcs for you. Are they based in the Broken Hills? The Marshes of Doom?" "Actually, they gather in the Wal-Mart parking lot every morning looking for day work."

[@BigBroTejano]

The real funny thing is that a picture like this would have probably worked much better for a Half-Orc clan/extended family. Depicting them as having “adopted” parts of human culture native to the region they reside in while also maintaining a more “nomadic” lifestyle like a Orc tribe. But no… DnD killed all the Half- races…

[@Shimmering_rain]

Well, we can't have mixed races. Got to keep that genetic purity.

[@counterstructure4908]

Don't you know? Mixing blood is problematic. This are people that wouldn't date outside there race. Biracial Erasure.

[@Starcraftgamer97]

That is a much better concept than anything the slackjawed numpties, of which I'm sure makes up 90 percent of their writing and creative staff, at WOTC could come up with.

[@IcecalGamer]

In current times they could NOT keep half-races. Because of the question: What half was the orc and what half was the human? Male orc 💪on human female or the unlikely other way round? The undertones and implications are dark, but appropriate for ancient/medieval fantasy but not for soft-modern audiences.

[@apeasant8550]

Y'know what fuck it that's my lore for half orcs in my setting now

[@starcoloneldunadansonoft501]

Harris's Hawks are very much present in Mexico, South America, and the very most Southwestern United States, in point of fact, with Mexico being their primary domain. They can be found all over Mexico, in every corner of the country. Which makes this all the more blatant.

[@oliverwilhelm6171]

The other races didn't get off much better. The gay dwarves and the gay elves stand out. As well as way too many instances of that one-side-hair-shaved-flop-over haircut. How they managed to slap that haircut onto a DRAGONBORN of all races was a surprise.

[@surlyunicorn9461]

What? You don’t want totally fabulous dwarves that bake cookies? You want dwarves that are as broad and solid as oak trees and that forge legendary works of metal and stone and drink and die in glorious battle? No one asked for the dwarven equivalent of the Keebler Elves. What a joke this game has become.

[@DarkCT]

That haircut is the physical sign of infection now.

[@liammclawrence4666]

@@DarkCT Has been for over a decade.

[@midgetydeath]

Of all the hair styles they could have made the symbol of woke and feminazism, they chose such an idiotic-looking and ugly one.

[@tkraid2575]

​@@DarkCT I don't want to stereotype tbh, but every single one of these folks that's part of modern progressivism I meet irl has some weird fixation with that haircut.

[@travisgeorge1553]

Come on Arch, they're still Orcs! The Pinatas they make, resemble small human children!

[@Ozzystrayroo]

WOTC truly has no interest of making 5e more appealing don't they?

[@Riley_Mundt]

This is for what will eventually become 6th edition, 5E development is done.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

they have no ability. This is their peak creativity, just ripping off human civilizations

[@judgedrekk2981]

the plan for 5E was always to ruin....not improve! I thought wee were all aware of the game plan by now? wokesters don't improve, they destroy cus they're evil and evil can't create, evil only corrupts or destroys!

[@ElSarcastro]

When approving the five year plan, comrades of the coast accidentally put APPALLING instead of APPEALING

[@Cowboycomando54]

@@Riley_Mundt Jokes on them, plenty of 2E PDFs floating around for free.

[@sadwingsraging3044]

Nothing after 1987 is D&D canonical.😑

[@rahn45]

Nothing says "Fantasy Setting" quite like real life references everywhere.

[@Doomwolf82002]

Reasoning behind it is that the Activists think by injecting IRL crap like this into every form of fictional escapism it make people aware and/or care more for societal/environmental issues. Of course in reality it doesn't (more often than has the opposite effect) as in truth its a form of performative activism meant to give the feeling that said activists accomplished something.

[@alanknotts5975]

"Okay, "William", how do you respond?" "I clock out and head for the parking lot." "Roll a D20 for encounter. Your cellphone rings, it's your insecure girlfriend and she's picking a fight about a post you made a couple years ago before you met her." "Man! Really?!" "Well, it's because "William's" girlfriend is caucasian. Had you rolled a hispanic all this would have happened when "William" got home." "Fine. I answer the phone, "HI babe, what's up?" "Who are you calling BABE?!"

[@silverdandy5639]

Everything is everything. This dragon is a shopkeeper and that wheel chair bound gnome is a dread knight.

[@thomaslacroix6011]

They can't even keep the reverence that could make subversive archetypes work: yes a red dragon selling artefacts and otherworldly resources in exchanges for favors, other rare artefacts or unfathomable amounts of gold can keep a good fantasy vibe. But of course, it's just gonna be a jolly dragon selling both mundane and slightly magical thingamajigs because he's retired.

[@evilr32]

It's easier to explain HOW when WotC involves Sweet Baby Inc. somewhere in the dev cycle. The thing we should be asking is WHY companies continue to use 'consultants' when there is such a large push back against them.

[@CharlesNauck]

They're ideologically compromised. The US won the Mexican-American war so convincingly that they could have taken all of Mexico and that southern border would have been far more defensible. It would have been a smart move... but "we don't want brown people as Americans" was a big reason why they didn't. Moronic ideologies slit their own throats.

[@MisterVyle]

People with zero imagination or creativity should not be in charge of something like this.

[@tzaphkielconficturus7136]

Committe of soulless bureaucrats once again cannot make art. More news at 11.

[@praetoriandorn3154]

Narcissists engaged in hive-mind group think can't understand different perspectives.

[@calluxdoaron1903]

Author has imagination and creativity, but it is poisoned by their "modern" ideology that locks them in one small fence of trying to bring real life into imagination to always represent something.

[@baphomeat]

Or DMs should... you know... make their own settings? If WOTC running their setting the way they want is a problem for you... create your own... and if you can't... well that's your problem. Being a DM (and even being a player in some regards) requires creativity, imagination, and a fair bit of work via math/balancing/etc.... All of that culminates into building a setting... I haven't touched any official settings from ANY source material in about 10 years.... If WoTCs Orcs offend you... don't play their setting. It's that simple.

[@tzaphkielconficturus7136]

@@baphomeat Then why would I play their game? I don't want their setting, and I certainly don't want the mechanical baggage of D20 when I have other options. 5E is a decent system for a very narrow set of games, and those games are typically simply not worth making a setting, and the mechanics significantly constrain what sort of setting you could build, anyway. WoTC maintains their massive market purely as a consequence of 5e being incredibly easy for new PLAYERS (but not DMs) to pick up and play in 5 minutes, and people's general reluctance to try anything with more front loaded complexity. The more unappealing they make the game, the more attention they draw to the other options.

[@Anyone00TZ]

But Arch, didn't you know? Everywhere is California. Why would would fear what is outside the walls? Inside the walls is California and outside the walls is California because everywhere is California. Why would they not be civilized? It's civilized here in California and over there is also California because everywhere is California.

[@EpicTyphlosionTV]

I remember when modern/sci-fi settings were limited to homebrew stuff only

[@wolfmanhcc]

My players wanted to commit war crimes, now they'll be committing hate crimes.

[@theclonelieutenant5976]

The heck? I remember when orks and orcs where made out to look like Africans.(extra history/credits, remembered that?) Orcs are just Orks Orks are just orcs Only the orkiest orcs are orks If you hit the point of Krorks or Dorks then you have gone too far.

[@pubcle]

If I recall, D&D hired the man behind the extra credits video as a consultant.

[@DarkCT]

@@pubcle ...seriously?

[@morewi]

It's projection on their part.

[@pubcle]

@@DarkCT On review, yes by WotC, but not on D&D James Mendez Hodes has been a direct consultant on Magic The Gathering specifically.

[@DarkCT]

@@pubcle ..wow... at this point Consultancy is a grift...

[@garrickmalott2775]

Falconry and riding gear? That's no way to start a WAAAAAAAAGH!!!

[@internetzenmaster8952]

WoW Orcs and 40k Orks: _pours one out for their DnD green-skinned brethren_ DnD Orcs aren't meant to be 'another human in a weird skin color'. Eff outta here with that Star Trek: TOS-level mindset. Individual orcs can be 'civilized'. Orcs as a race _should not_ be civilized. If they're going to the 'Mexican' theme, they should've embraced the Aztec/Mayan vibes/aesthetic instead!

[@widgren87]

Aztec/Mayan Orcs could be pretty darn cool and you have the base brutality on all sides to ramp up to 11 as well... I'll have to make a note of that for later use, thanks for the idea.

[@debanydoombringer1385]

Sacrifices of humans, propaganda on the walls of every building about their gods, killing and enslaving nearby tribes. Could certainly work.

[@Sorain1]

@@widgren87 Hot dang that works well. "We need you to raid for sacrifices, or Grrumish will eat the sun... or we have to sacrifice one of us."

[@JustBuyTheWaywardsRealms]

Why didn't you said warhammer fantasy instead of 40k it would have made more sens considering 40k is sci fi fantasy.

[@potato_723]

Mayan/aztec orcs would rule, actually! Thanks for the idea

[@UnhingedJessie]

I used to be a simple wheat farmer but then the King opened up the gates to the Orcs who do it for half the silver I need just to cover my tithe. THEY TUK MUH JRB!

[@MrLolguy93]

The orcs have been buck-broken everywhere. Just look at what they did to them in Warcraft

[@RogueFox2185]

We still have Warhammer’s Orks, they haven’t been buck-broken. At least for now.

[@MrLolguy93]

@@RogueFox2185 wait until someone makes an Ork female for his Muscle Mommy fetish

[@RogueFox2185]

@@MrLolguy93 Considering the Female Custodes situation, that’s probably not far-off from happening.

[@midgetydeath]

You mean burning Teldrassil?

[@midgetydeath]

@RogueFox2185 Probably because they’re supposed to be British football hooligans. So, they’re “white”.

[@LordEverlost]

First the Orks were black people, now Hispanic? lol this is the best racist gaslighting ever.

[@kaligath6616]

"DnD we are orc drug runners that need to get into the kingdom but we are stopped by a giant wall"

[@Alex-xt1rr]

Do they hire some dwarfs to dig a tunnel?

[@shaynewalker3248]

​@@Alex-xt1rr dwarf hats aren't small enough for that.

[@tzaphkielconficturus7136]

This sounds like a hilarious game, ngl.

[@occultnightingale1106]

I'm all for Orcs having a culture and a civilization, but what I'm heavily opposed to is Orcs having a culture and a civilization that looks in any way human. This is utterly revolting to look at, and it's exactly why I started making my own fantasy setting (and TTRPG system to accompany it) 6 years ago.

[@777MrTibbs]

I feel like even if somebody gave me the new books for free, I'd still ask for my money back.

[@nottodisushttoagen1309]

I remember checking out some of the more recent sourcebooks and campaign books and they were so anemic, insipid and cliche that there was just nothing interesting in them whatsoever, better to just make your own campaigns or adapt ones from older editions that had far more creativity.

[@CommanderRedEXE]

​@@nottodisushttoagen1309 After I saw they changed the way you allocate stats to include which stats you have a natural negative in, to any stat you wish, I dropped normal D&D entirely. I'm working on my own full on homebrew setting. Already got a list of Deities and Races made. Got a Bestiary(No stat blocks yet). Just gotta write down some world lore and smooth out some of the rougher edges.

[@AncientRylanor69]

*"Some people think they can outsmart me. Maybe... Maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet."* - The Heavy

[@thesisko0815]

The same shit happened to the Warcraft Orcs. In WC 1 + 2 they were the otherwordly evil force of destruction, using demonic powers and evil witchery. In WC 3 it started to make them look good and more or less civilized. In World of Warcraft they got more and more good and civilized to the point of no return. Today, in modern WoW, the Horde is pretty much the same as the Alliance, but with the colour red instead of blue.

[@PumpkinHoard]

I dunno, they still have pretty extensive war crime questlines in WoW.

[@mercaius]

I dunno, there's a lot of really shitty "all races are part of this faction" BS in WoW, but they still have distinct and interesting cultures. Maybe moreso than many other races after getting to see all the old clans in Warlords of Draenor. There is certainly a flavor issue between the Alliance & Horde in recent expansions though. Neither had any real presence in the last two expansions.

[@midgetydeath]

To be fair, the changes were because they were devastated and rebuilt from scratch due to the war and Thrall. However, as the conflicts after show, Thrall was one of only a few good orcs. He vastly overestimated his species. Even questing as Horde showed they chaffed under Thrall’s peaceful ways.

[@dancorneanu9144]

Come on... The Horde are the guys who do a war crime every other expansion and starts a war jut as much, but we need to act like they are red Aliance. Those expansions end with the Aliance having pushed back, with the Horde defeated, but the Aliance needs to extend a hand and let them rebuild till they start another war. Granted the latest expansions are going into the other good guy group being secretly bad guys. because shades of grey.

[@Fuzzycat16]

wc 1 and 2 have the best orc art and lore.

[@ShadeShaadent]

Genuinely curious: where was this art taken. I need it to hammer home a point with a friend

[@siliconkain700]

Looks like tacos are back on the menu hombres!

[@midgetydeath]

Oh, nice reference!

[@animalbeast6564]

yea your moms tacos

[@juniorcampos9284]

As a member of the Mexican community i think i can safely say that Mexican Orcs are the superior orc

[@Brenzo777]

These orcs look like what Blizz is doing to their orcs in Hearthstone

[@striderfox71]

Its us folks who have imagination that will continue on the magic our-selves. We don't need corporations to fuel our imagination, we the people will take back the means of imaginative writing and world building!

[@aj.j5833]

Orcs have always been Chaotic Evil.

[@theclonelieutenant5976]

Now that you metion it, I remember in a manga ( Isekai Munchkin - HP 1 no Mama de Saikyou Saisoku Danjon Kouryaku - / Otherworldly Munchkin: Let's Speedrun the Dungeon with Only 1 HP! ) it's set in a universe kinda like Dnd, our protagonist tells his party member(a native of the world) to use holy smite on anyone that seems suspicious to them. In this world and probably DnD you can only damage someone with holy smite if they have an evil alignment but if they aren't and just look evil but actually aren't they the paladin can get into alot of trouble, so the paladins/ good God police are always paranoid and hesitate to use holy smite without being 100% sure it will work. A prime example was given with an ork with a cat and a punk looking dude helping people out. So for story reasons it was a funny thing to read, I mean what would you think if you just were out in the wild and the orc farmer Muk just tilling the field? Evil?

[@aj.j5833]

@@theclonelieutenant5976 I'd think slave Orc don't work the land.

[@aj.j5833]

​@@theclonelieutenant5976 I don't like BS of nothing is inherently evil BS or you can't judge a book by it's cover. If I see an orc I know it is evil, that is their natural state and trait. I'm tired of moral ambiguity BS of current dayisms.

[@Tommonius]

@@theclonelieutenant5976 need some good reading material for a 6 hour plane flight, gonna read this manga, cheers dude!

[@rohenthar8449]

@@theclonelieutenant5976 Bro, that MC is a pure evil.

[@crispyandspicy6813]

"The orks resembled 'stereotypes' so to fix that we made them into lantix stereotypes" We were too harsh towards F.A.T.A.L.

[@rcrawford42]

We were too harsh towards HOL.

[@Johan_the_Marshal]

Well that’s just depressing…

[@Malefactor]

I once made a ogre wizard character for a one-off session. The rationalization was that he killed a party of adventurers, and tried on the wizard's headband of intelligence like a ring and suddenly was smart enough to read and cast spells. Not very well of course, but that was the fun. This character was an exception to the rule, an anomaly. Breaking with stereotypes is only special when those stereotypes are the norm. Another time I rolled a goblin fighter, a fanatic zealot who had dreams of one day becoming a paladin. It was a doomed venture because he was chaotic good (bordering on chaotic neutral) because of his misinterpretation of the tenants of the religion he converted to. Again, this character was treated as aberration in the setting.

[@Fuzzycat16]

Feels very warcraft 2 orc mages.

[@magicusergames]

Despite the early success, the drizzt effect has been extremely damaging to the tone of dnd.

[@tomkasjanowicz1654]

The drizzt effect?

[@mateuszbanaszak4671]

Whats "Drizzt Effect"?

[@DarkCT]

@@mateuszbanaszak4671 ​ @mateuszbanaszak4671 if i were to make a guess, it's the fact that character was the first Drow to play against the "evil" type. we're hitting the point now where since "creatives" only want to subvert prior messages, now they want to get rid of traditional markers entirely. which is now resulting in everything is just humans that look vaguely different and quashing the uniqueness of their once cultures. they don't even like Half- characters anymore, where art like this would have made sense. these are the same writers who attacked TSR directly, and would rather you make a characters backstory first before picking the race they even are. that decided that even alien species and demons must think like modern humans.

[@zerothefaceless4888]

@@mateuszbanaszak4671 I'm assuming he's reffering to Drizzt Do'urden, a dark elf protag of a book series. The Dark elves of Forgotten Realms are mostly evil so Drizzt being a good guy was an exception to the rule. I'm guessing that like most popular things, Drizzt inspired an influx of copycats and a lot of good guys from traditionally evil races. I guess the side effect is that these races are no longer evil at all.

[@drakeevans3066]

The drizzit Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

[@GhostOfSnuffles]

The fact the artist saw a D&D group that was savage raiders and thought "Mexicans" is kind of telling.

[@GetsugaTensho85]

That unironicaly looks like Commist era art I swear to God WTF

[@merafirewing6591]

It literally is commie art straight out of the 50s.

[@ethancox9737]

How is it like Communist art?

[@droe2570]

Having lived in Mexico for many years, I can say that I have never seen a green Mexican with upward jutting tusks.

[@TheCrimsonRevenger]

In my homebrew setting, Orcs were just EXTREMELY Fertile, and sending them out to wage war was necessary to keep their own population under control. It's why much of their lands eventually end up barren. Orc Life was abundant...which naturally made it cheap. To nobody moreso than the Orcs themselves.

[@lonelystrategos]

So, like the Krogans in Mass Effect?

[@TheCrimsonRevenger]

@@lonelystrategos Yes but I would say the Krogans are more like Orcs, because I admit that is NOT an original take on Orcs....and that take on Orcs predates Mass Effect by a lot.

[@sutoriimmortal2177]

You know what the aestetic reminds me of? Twilight Princess. Remember that old Zelda game that was like 85% fantasy and 15% western kinda look? Except even in that game they had human-like people already for the civilization and they actually remembered to keep the magic around. I love that damn game, I love it's look. I despise this because it takes everything that kind of thing was and forgets what made it special.

[@oliverwilhelm6171]

The hawk is particularly egregious since that's on the flag of Mexico. Along with the ponchos, the mesas, and the American cacti...

[@boobah5643]

Well, yes. The Mexican flag is a reference to the story of how the Aztecs founded Tenochtitlan.

[@debikichi]

Don't need to worry about chaffing if you ride a nice fluffy wolf like orcs are supposed to.

[@Underworlddream]

If people don’t see the Mexicans stuff. The orc kid seams to be wearing a short ponchos. The type of hat they are wearing are similar to Gauchos hats which is found in South America. One of the orcs is picking fruit from the Cactus and South America are know to eat cactus and it fruits. I also heard someone menation about the style of saddle is also from South America.

[@MakeLoveNotWar687]

What’s the difference between cowboys and Mexicans?

[@MakeLoveNotWar687]

I’m sorry they all look the same

[@54032Zepol]

That's awesome! All were missing is the burritos 🌯 and tacos 🌮

[@artnull13]

@@54032Zepoltacos back on the menu boys!😂

[@KamelGuru]

>"Orcs are offensive, because they are like black people!" >"Let's make orcs intentionally into natives/mexicans instead!"

[@verilyveronica8430]

I have first edition as Gygax intended.

[@sadwingsraging3044]

Based! The _only_ edition that is canonical.

[@istvanbrooks5319]

​@@sadwingsraging3044not even 3.5? And I thought fallout fans were fucking harsh

[@sadwingsraging3044]

@@istvanbrooks5319 3.5 was too busy-body and more a pre designed world. I liked building my own.

[@DoodsUnited]

The big villain of my next campaign: Pablo Esc-orc-bar.

[@erisi236]

Imagine these guys pulling up to Helms Deep

[@dms-f16]

They're holding their axes sideways and talk too much 😂😂😂

[@hoi-polloi1863]

In a chariot with La Virgen airbrushed onto the hood...

[@therealbahamut]

Good thing the first rule of RPG's still applies: "use what you like, change what you need and DISCARD THE REST." This shit is why PDF's exist.