Canon 90D Vs EOS R: Cheaper is Better?

[@GUAYABAFELIZ]

I can't thank you enough for this comparison video. I have watched several videos comparing these two cameras and you are the only one who explain very well the lenses. I am subscribing to your channel.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Thank you Diana. I aim to simplify things. I was a viewer not too long ago myself ;)

[@lilianpetrom7216]

ok thank you for informatie

[@jaya.v.5093]

It’s an interesting comparison...In my case I ended up getting both an EOS R and a 90D... I sold my 5D m iv and now I use the 90D mostly for wildlife and the R for travel and portrait, I think it is a great couple of cameras for a very good price !

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Ideally, having two cameras makes sense. It's impossible to get camera to do everything. The R5 gets you close, but you have to deal with heat generation and restricted video modes. Good for the casual stills guy, but not so much for professional. Worrying about limits gets in the way.

[@jaya.v.5093]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker absolutely, and in this case, you can get a 90d and an EOS R for the price of one R6 !

[@topshelf223]

But does your r take your ef lens?

[@TomlynAdvisors]

I can't thank you enough for this comparison video. I have watched several videos comparing these two cameras and you are the only one who explain very well the lenses. I'm an engineer, and LOVE the matrices. Suggest adding a column that states the "Feature" you are looking for . . . video, stills, etc. I am subscribing to your channel.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Glad it was helpful Thomas. This is one of my early videos, so thanks for putting up with the poor video quality. I take an enterprise architecture approach to my channel, focusing on outcomes and less on specs ;)

[@AreolaRock]

Great video. I think the only conflicting opinion I have is where you mention people starting out. I think first timers should go with the Rebel line. The t8i looks like one beast of a camera for a first timer, but for people on even tighter budgets, I will often tell people to go second hand. You can find t3is with kit lenses for well under 50% of the price of the t8i body. But I do think that if you're a bit more of an experienced enthusiast then the 90d is great for the photography focused, while the EOS R is where I'd push videographers.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Thanks for the comment David. I started with the Canon 50D. It was easy to use and so filled with capabilities I was not left wanting. I knew nothing about cameras. I had a useless point and shoot before I bought it. For an amateur, it was very powerful, but not overly so. The 90D with video and photo capabilities are enough that a first time owner would not need to upgrade for 10 years or more. But as I did mention, people need to come up with their own capabilities to make their own decision. I am just here to inform, but starting with the 90D really gives a creative soul a lot of power. The T8i is almost as powerful as the 90D. I did a compare between the capabilities of these two cameras two months ago. Personally, I'd be happy with either one. But again, you did call it, I am a much more experienced filmmaker/photographer, and I have learned so much since I started this channel. For years manual settings scared me away from manual, but auto and scene modes make getting to use these cameras relatively simple. I then migrated to AV and TV. I still don't shoot photos on manual because I don't have enough experience. My wife usually take photos with her phone. I am called in where the phone just can't get he work done. It's hard switching from photo to video in a "shoot".

[@FeedScrn]

Good video... Clear, not too fast / easy to follow .. without annoying repetition. For Primarily Picture-Taking: APSC EOS-90D or a Full Frame? If you can swing it... it's better to have both. Having both, especially with compatible lenses, gives you the flexibility to cover any scenario.... The two mentioned here - IMO will give you great photos... almost as good and at a cheaper price than one of the more expensive mirrorless cameras.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Both have benefits. If you shoot a lot of video, the APS-C helps in bright light, but not so good in low light. For stills, it depends on what your'e shooting. However, what we tend to see is more advanced capabilities in full frame cameras compared to APS-C.

[@FeedScrn]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker - Nice one.

[@clikemlb1628]

The video helps a lot but is I am still up in the air. As a videographer, the eos R has limited capabilities but does have a C-log which can be a big help when manipulating the color of the video. The Eos R also provides a more professional look. I have personally used the Eos R multiple times and love the image quality and the capabilities it can provide. The 90D does have a lot of advantages and overall is the better camera, especially being able to shoot in 120p and no crop in 4K. I happen to shoot mainly sports and music videos which only emphasizes the importance of 120p. When it comes down to it, I don't know if the 90D can replicates the same sense of professionalism and image as the Eos R. The only problem I have is in a side by side video comparison, I prefer the Eos R video image over the 90D. Since I always prefer the EOS R image I can't see myself buying the 90D. Would love any thoughts or comments that can help me settle the debate?

[@clikemlb1628]

Also, how do you believe the 90D would compare to the Sony A7III>

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

The 90D is good value, but if you find yourself going for the EOS R for video, you're going to feel a sense of buyers remorse. It's a good solid camera, but its video features are dated. The a7III is also dated now. Will the 90D last you three years, or is it worth upgrading to a better full frame camera? The R6 is a big jump in price. I'd wait six months. Both sony and canon are refreshing. Canon will have a better camera process between the R and the R6, and Sony with the a7 IV

[@BibleBreakout]

Cannon EOS R cameras are aimed at stallions. The Cannon 90D cameras are aimed at ponies. And I LIKE Ponies. Don't hate.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I'm certainly not a stallion ;) B ut I like 4K120... something to grow into as I enter 4K. ;)

[@rui7773]

*90D has focus problem and the culprit is the mechanical trigger. If you have a 90D, take the test, take a photo with electronic and mechanical drive, compare and see for yourself! To be sure, use a tripod!*

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Thanks Rui. True.

[@fallout76666]

Really？

[@rui7773]

@@fallout76666, At least on two 90D I've tested, yes!

[@fallout76666]

@@rui7773 Ok, I will test it by myself.I didn’t notice that before.

[@rui7773]

@@fallout76666, Unfortunately some cons in electronic mode, there will be no continuous shooting, no flash and any camera movement will result in a distorted image, lol... Test performed with sigma 600mm, Canon 250mm stm and Tamron 400mm. Search for a target with letters, numbers, place it on the tripod and shoot without touching the camera. If possible then post the result here, lol... In addition to the improved focus, another benefit of electronic shooting is that the shutter will last much longer, I'm not sure, but I'm told the shot counter doesn't count in electronic mode.

[@gbjib3827]

A 90D is not the entry level. A SL3 is! For video, the 90D's APS-C sensor more closely matches the field of view of most S35 cinema cameras. DPAF works in 4K and has Eye focus. Battery grips are readily available to shoot through most of a day and the added benefit of moving the battery to the side so you don't need to unmount your camera on a tripod. STM lenses and newer generations of lenses make sharper images on a 90D because of the pixel pitch, you would want to shoot above F5.6. Add the Technicolor Cinestyle to help with better dynamic range.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I don't believe I referred to it as an entry level camera. At the beginning I said it was medium to high end and a full featured APSC camera. However, that does not mean I don't recommend it a person's first time camera. Budget permitting, it is a great starter camera if you want to unleash your creative soul. The SL3 is far more limited in capabilities. If the 90D was too high of a price, I'd consider the T8i or just save longer. While more expensive, you will get more life out of it and upgrade less often.

[@gbjib3827]

Ordinary Filmmaker I don’t want to be confrontational but that’s what you said. The t8i is still handicapped in the 4K on dpaf per canon. I feel that the 90d is an Easter Egg to the dslr community from Canon. I was seriously considering the EOS R and RP but financially, they don’t fit for what you get. The EOS R5 and R6 do have my interest if Canon is reasonable. Otherwise, I may still look hard at the 1DX mark 3 for my videos or stretch to the C300m3. I only occasionally do stills and think that the rush to mirrorless is bending the market when it may not necessarily be the end all quite yet. I have many EF photo and cinema lenses that serve me well. Starting out in mirrorless maybe the future but it’s not the standard. Short of a few very high-end sets of cinema glass for full frame, don’t let the hype rush you into an immature system. Yes, RF glass is great but until cinema cameras are redesigned for mirrorless glass, it’s not a Hollywood system.

[@matthewbond4088]

Gave a like because you really do explain the mindset. When I look into a camera, I'm not looking at limitations, I'm looking for my shot. And in the camera I can make it better. A1 my guy.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Thank you Matthew. Too many focus on specifications. What we really care about is outcome - that's my differentiation.

[@jan-martinulvag1962]

On DP review samples site I was watching images from the Nikon D80 and 60 and they are so nice and clean. And I went on to have a look at the images from the Canon 90D and found lots of complains there about bad image quality and grains and some suggested it was the high mp that had messed it up, so I wonder has anyone else noticed that the image quality is worse than on the 80D despite the higher pixel count?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

The 90D's problems are likely due to lens compatibility. If you look for reviews and videos on that, you'll find lots. Michael the Maven talks about it.

[@jan-martinulvag1962]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker ok

[@fennesto]

Which one should I invest on? More into cinematography and less model photoshoot. More on wedding videos and short films

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

The 90D gives you more capabilities. The rolling shutter is pretty bad, but the R does give you more dynamic range. If you get the 90D, just get EF glass so when you do migrate to the EOS R system, the lenses will be just as useful.

[@michaeldidomenico7]

I already have the latest issue 18-135mm, and I am looking at the EOS RP, OR THE R6.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

When you migrate the 18-135 to the RF line, it will still maintain the crop. Consider one of the recommended RF lenses for the RF body if you have budget, or at least put them on your road map Micheal.

[@Darrinwilliamsmedia]

Yea that lens is made from apc cams and the news you are looking at are full frame. I'd get better full frame glass. I've had that lens when I owned a crop and it was just OK at its best.

[@Darrinwilliamsmedia]

I guess this is a year old just saw that 🤣 hopefully you are rocking a better lens!

[@rayligiousss991]

I really loved the info you shared with us. Two weeks ago I didn't know a single word you were saying, but after doing some research, I came back to your video and now I understand (at least most of it, lol). I've wanted to get into photography and videography for the last 2 years or so, but since the pandemic started, that desire has grown more and more. I will start slow and get the 90D for now. I was looking at the 5D Mark IV and the R, but according to some reviews, they don't come close to the 90D in the videography area. What are your thoughts on the 1D X Mark III? Worth it or just wait for a better mirrorless counterpart?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

If you're into video, stay with the 90D until you're tired of it, then upgrade to something like the R5 to take you so much further. The 90D is a terrific started for video... better than the R in my view. Buy L series lenses where you can so they can be migrated to the R system when you're ready.

[@chadj.w.anderson5473]

Thank you, great video. I went with the 90D! And it is amazing for both photos and videos.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Good choice! Canon did a good job with this camera.

[@RichieColemanSr]

I just ordered mine, and it will arrive tomorrow 😊

[@tjsn-4vision]

The 90D is a beast. The canon R 6 is fire but the 90D that I have is dope too. 4k24, option to 4k crop, 4k30, 120fps( no auto focus but im good), 32Mps. Other than 4k 60, what am I missing?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I'm tempted to get the 90D all over again - its an awesome camera.

[@rumporridge1]

90D is stellar and is feature laden. Extremely capable camera for about 90% of photographers that are just starting out or very experienced.

[@iso64media13]

double exposure images in camera, timelapses ,crazy battery life

[@ngocquang2208]

So eos 90d vs eos rp what is best photography sir ??

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

EOS RP - better dynamic range, unless you're doing wildlife, then the 90D.

[@روائعالجنوب-ت3ض]

a question please .Which is better for photographing birds?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Having a 1.6 crop is appreciated by many wildlife photographers, but a good solid lens will make the difference most. The rolling shutter is pretty bad on the EOS R so birds in flight might not loo so good.

[@روائعالجنوب-ت3ض]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Thank you

[@Technologyadvisor1]

i got the R for £1879 black friday rebait £440 not a bad deal sold my m50 for £470 so put this towards it.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Quite good mate!

[@fajjoura]

I wish i saw this video before buying, great comparason thank you so much

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Thanks for watching. It's an old one so I'm glad it was helpful.

[@JCPhotographyMallorca]

Hi there i have a canon 5d mark iii and i am a photographer for tourists in the summer season. and i also do youtube as well to promote my photography and give tips to improve photography so what would you recommend out of these two cameras or would you recommend another one?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I'd look at the R8. It goes far beyond what both of these do for a price between both of these cameras. Good for stills at 6fps -40 fps; 6K oversampled 4K - good for video.

[@JCPhotographyMallorca]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker okay dokey I will check it out !! Also I have ef lens so for the canon r8 would I need a adopter as well for this

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I think the $99 adapter will do you fine. I have it and its great.I would have said the 90D as it has better video and stills capabilities, but if you are just photographer, consider the EOS R. But compared to the R8 - much improved rolling shutter, 6fps stills but much more accurate autofocus - 40 fps electronic. The video specs are better than both cameras, offer canon log 3 when you're ready for more dynamic range, 6K oversampled 4K ill deliver much better video than the R or 90D, and up to 180 fps with autofocus ;)

[@JCPhotographyMallorca]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker okay dokey thanks for all the help 😀😀

[@gereral1_jackofalltrades]

90d looks like better but paired with stm 24 f2.8 and nifty 50 1.8 and atomos you can get both screens to work! Outputs 4k and 1080p clean. 1080p is 422 8bit like my Canon g30. Forget 10bit color. It's a gimmick. Forgot the internal codecs lol. dual pixel autofocus in 4k and 1080p. You loose 4k 10bit output on 90d and log but who cares. If you frame your shots with blur the background does not need log. Sames as subject. Use reflector or place your subject in shade. All these rules follow photographer so log is pointless. In studio log is waste of time if you control 3 point lighting. Put some flesh makeup on or use cpl to get rid of shine on flesh. 90d has 23.96, 29.97, 59.94 and 120. It's no brainier. 4k 30 too. Has mini HDMI! Headphone jack, nice preamps, big one for me is both screens work with clean HDMI. I use Canon g30 and want a camera as second cam. I'll never sell my Canon g30 with fixed lens of 1.8fstop full out. And total locked apature of 2.8 thru entire 28mm to 250 zoom. I'm going to purchase 90d. I can use g30 for zoom shots and fixed shots 90d. Also put 90d on my glidecam hd4000 with vest x10 which I own with Canon 28mm 2.8 lens and simply enable dual pixel autofocus as I use glidecam. Prevent unbalanced as the lens is light and zoom does not come out from lens far. Also need filter with cpl can be added to 52mm thread.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I'd pick the 90D for video over the EOS R any day ;)

[@StevenHoagland]

Informative video, Simon! I just think mirrorless is the future. I got a shiver when you said they took out All-I from the 90D. I hope they don't take it out of the R5.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

It's definitely the future. Not doubt about it. But the DSLR will be around for a very long time. I'd say the transition to mirrorless will take as long as it took to move from standard television to HD television in North America.

[@marcobhuachalla9814]

The very reason I didn’t upgrade from my 80D to the 90D.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

@ Marc Did you look off into the distance stunned into a WTF stare like I did?

[@marcobhuachalla9814]

Ordinary Filmmaker that’s exactly what I did. Everyone else was complaining about 24fps. I would have got the camera otherwise.

[@rumporridge1]

Just ordered the 90D to replace my 70D. Can’t wait to mount my Sigma 18-35mm on that bad boy.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Don't open the box if you get it late at night because you will spend hours with it The 90D is packed with way more features than the 70D. Can you believe I am still using it for a KZbin channel in 2020?

[@rumporridge1]

Ordinary Filmmaker amazing and your channel is top notch. Kudos and I definitely subscribed. Thanks for the guidance.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Thanks a lot and sorry for the late reply ;)

[@alisonesorto]

Between the 90D and EOS R which is best for photos and videos for churches

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

How much light do you have? FF sensor performs better in low light. EOS R uses both EF and RF lenses. Makes for upgrading later.

[@ifrah5341]

Great video! Do you think the EOS R is worth it off your using the 50 mm 1.8 lenses? And would have to use a adapter mount? I’m focusing on photography primarily

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

The EOS R is still a good camera. I like it very much. The 50mm f1.8 is also a good lens, but not a great lens. I'd try to pick up a used EF 50mmf 1.2 instead. You can thank me later ;)

[@zerospecs2331]

I have the same setup and not really impressed by it. I want more control and range. And I hate the noise it makes when zooming and trying to focus. I'm sure it fits someone's needs, but I'm taking it back and plan on getting the 90D instead. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@apstudios966]

this was in-depth and I learned more than I wanted to learn.

[@maorvaknin769]

Oh Simon I was waiting for this video even though I don't exactly the biggest fan of canon. 🙃👌 Keep up the great work!!!!

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Thanks! Will do! Is the black background too much of a contrast?

[@mikeyswoosh5194]

Ordinary Filmmaker I like the black background

[@kenroman777]

Ordinary Filmmaker looks great

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Thanks. It allows me to improve the lighting. It no longer looks like I have a fire starting on the top of my head ;)

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Thanks Ken

[@whatistruththywordistruth5972]

I am planning on doing wildlife and food photography I have been undecided

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Then the APSC 90D with its crop factor might be better fit...

[@tiivashkkarkalidason6498]

Between canon 90d and eos r, which one is better for video n filmmaking

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

The 90D.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

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[@Inchardikala]

Which is better for both photo and video ? Mainly focus on photos

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

The 90D is a better all round camera for photo and video, but for photos, I'd go with the EOS R.

[@venom5809]

My RP should be here in the next hour or two so I will see how it works with the EF-S lenses I still have, nobody really seems to cover that which I find strange. After that I will compare it to my A7 ii and decide if I will keep it or keep the A7 ii and return the RP, pretty sure the A7 ii will be the one going though.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Looking forward to hearing which one you keep. Yeah, very few cover EF-S on RF bodies.

[@venom5809]

Ordinary Filmmaker I had a 10-18 and a 55-250 left over from a previous Canon and kept them because they were so good and I didn’t want to re-buy them if I bought another Canon. I’ll see how they are on the RP but most likely I will sell them and the money will go towards a 24-105 f/4.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

You might just keep them. It often does not pay to sell gear. Do you have any kiddies to hand them down to?

[@venom5809]

@Ordinary Filmmaker I've had good luck selling gear, not too bad. I just charged the battery and setup the camera, threw the 10-18 on just now and it works, looks alright, have to see how they look printed out but they look usable so far. I think I will keep it and get the R6 when it comes out.

[@PurpleCynMedia]

Hey man I'm looking at the 90d or eos r for hybrid shooting mainly photography, but also some car feature videos, which one would you recommend?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

EOS R is a great stills camera. Video is okay, should be fine in a pinch.

[@xena2077]

Which one is good taking moon picture and astrophotography? 90D or R? I was thinking to buy canon Ra but reviews wasn’t great.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I'D go with the full frame EOS R. It's a better all round stills camera and FF sensor is much better in those scenarios. Unless you want to do professional astro work, you don't need the Ra.

[@richardxraj]

Good effort. Please add topic on side and will more listening more nice. Otherwise very good review

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

It's my first video. Modern ones have side graphics to summaries complex content.

[@LuisVegaVideos]

90D with sigma 18-35 f1.8 no need more!

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Works very well doesn't it? Did you mean the 18-135?

[@rumporridge1]

Ordinary Filmmaker nope he meant 18-35 1.8. Legendary crop lens.

[@juzrhyme712]

@@rumporridge1 great lens but requires stabilizing

[@rumporridge1]

@@juzrhyme712 just received the Fringer ef-fx Pro II. Highly recommended. Using the Sigma on my XH1 instead of the XT3. The ibis in the XH1 brings this lens to another level.

[@juzrhyme712]

@@rumporridge1 yeah if those Cameras got in house stabilization you cool

[@l.k.b545]

As a beginner who will use the 90D for KZbin and youth sports I am still confused on lens compatibility. If I upgrade to a Canon R6 Will the lenses I buy for the 90D work on the R6

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

EF, EF-S, RF and RF-S lenses will work on the R6. EF and EF-S will work on the 90D only. Using EF and EF-S on the R6 will require a $99 EF to RF adapter.

[@tonycapo8015]

Awesome video very informative, what do you prefer as a better overall camera? And do you know if the new canon line will have an entry level crop sensor camera like a successor to the SL3 or T7i?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

As I said in the video, it depends on your primary use case. I'm a video guy so I prefer the 90D. Look at my video called DSLR vs Mirrorless. At the end I have a chart showing all current canon cameras like the SL3 and T7i. It will be eye opening.

[@tomalfredpuno84]

Which is better in both photo and video? the all around camera?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I'd pick the 90D

[@scottrogers2831]

On the 90D is the eye af decent for capturing still images? Or does it even work when using the viewfinder for shooting? I have a feeling it’s eye af is activated primarily for video.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I mostly shoot video and found eye AF very solid since the 70D. I never had much of an issue in terms of stills, but never shot much either ;)

[@TheFitrush]

Nice comprehensive review, I am going to buy 90d

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Good choice. You won't have nay trouble with the it lens and it is a good lens, but before purchasing any other lens, make sure it is compatible. michael the Mavin addressed this issue well. It's mostly with older lenses.

[@TheRifleBrigade]

I have owned both cameras, the EOS R was returned but I kept the EOS 90D as I primarily shoot as a photographer a video showing images and lenses I used can be seen here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/goPPfmaCfpiDjNU Will consider R5/R6 when price point is known.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Why did you keep the 90D, but return the EOS R RifleBrigade.

[@TheRifleBrigade]

Ordinary Filmmaker one off the main reasons was the optical viewfinder as the one on the EOS R always seemed not to represent what I was seeing colour wise and also not a big fan of the mode dial as I like to switch between C1, AV and TV quickly. I have also owned the 5D Mark IV if a 5D Mark V was ever produced I would consider it, as I would like to go back to full frame when the right camera comes along that suits my style.

[@astorreviolla4645]

hey. i noticed that towards the end of the video, you had a set of features you need from an ideal camera.what do you suggest? a camera that has all if not most of these features.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

It depends on your journey. I am ready for Full Frame. I am a video guy. I want detail in photos and video. This leads me to the R5 and R6. I suggest building out what you need a camera to do. Build out your own set of capabilities. After 7 years, I am excited to go full frame.

[@raprepublik1436]

I love the way you explain things, man. -Dan RR

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Thanks Dan :)

[@nikhilrathod5366]

For someone who is quite literally just starting out with DSLR's and is entering university (the course has a module dedicated to photography and video) and wants to get involved into video and short film making, would the 90 D be a good buy? I am sceptical about the EOS R because even with the release of the R5 and R6 there seems to be no inclination of a cost cut and I cannot wait until Black Friday before buying a camera. The only trade-off that I am worried about is if the RF lenses are going to completely wipe out the EF and EF-S very soon, which would make cameras like 90D practically outdated. I will mostly be dealing with short-film and ad making (student projects first and hopefully get into it full time) along with photography where I assume I'll be doing a decent mix of portrait and landscape photography. Also, does canon offer any student offers on these cameras?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

The 90D is a very capable camera for someone getting started in photo and video. It took me seven years to outgrow the APS-C 70D. The 90D is far more advanced. Get L lenses and you can bring them to the R system should you upgrade one day!

[@jaya.v.5093]

I think for your case the 90d is a much more cost effective camera. I own both the R and the 90D and for general purpose video the combination of 90D plus the EFS 18-135 lens is hard to beat, or go for the sigma 18-25 1.8 if you want a better low light lens. If you were to match that with the R ...you would need to spend more on RF lenses or get the EF adapter and end up getting the EFS 18 135 anyhow, to cope with the R’s crop in 4K. I would not worry about RF lenses out dating EF lenses anytime soon.

[@thinkvlog_4life503]

I got the T7 for my Birthday and I have the canon m50 (Had to get a loan to buy it) I'm currently saving up for the EOS R, In my dreams I can afford a 4 Thousand dollar Camera lol

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

ThinkVlog, start a KZbin channel, and use the income to save for that $4000 camera. That is what I am doing. You can get there if you set your goals. It will be a lot of hard work, but the reward is sweet. Reach out if you have any questions about doing this. The T7 and M50 are great cameras. You could use them for many more years. Hold off on the EOS R until we have the R6/5. Prices should really come down in the used market.

[@thinkvlog_4life503]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I have a youtube channel for vlogs but do to the lockdown my family is a bit paranoid of me going out to film. And I can't really film at work :( I am trying really hard for my channel to really take of lol I know on the long run.. It'll take of on its own :)

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I found that sticking to my vision and release at least three videos a week really drives subscribers. But also know your seasons. Find out when traffic is at its peak and why, and produce like crazy during that timer. I have over 1120 subs in the last 28 days because May is a huge camera month in 2020. Good luck to you brother. Why can't you do some filming at home?

[@airavearentertainment9186]

Thanks for the video! Exactly the info i needed!

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Glad it was helpful !

[@LolitaDavidovich934]

On one of your videos, you spoke about computers for editing. Could you recommend a computer that would be good for someone just entering editing?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

it needs to be a computer capable of hardware decoding of h.265 and h.264. I use the Mac Pro. its overkill, but I need to get videos exported quickly. the regular iMacs can do the job too. no fussing around. I don’t know windows enough to recommend a platform.

[@LolitaDavidovich934]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker thanks, i don't know Mac.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I didn’t either when I got one ;) I spend less time fiddling with technical issues. Vista was just released and I needed a new computer. Istanbul or mac. after 5 weeks of debating, I choose Mac. they’re pretty easy to figure out

[@timelesscreations777]

HP Spectre 360

[@HUGOBARRETO]

I have teste 90D .... no AF on 120 fps and no sound for me is an issue...

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Why is that Hugo. Most of the time I shot slow motion, I drop out the audio and add a score to it as the sound becomes muffled and distracts the viewer. No AF sure, but that can be offset by a high ISO, which is normally the case outside. I agree, its annoying, and one fo the reasons why I decided to wait for the R5/6. But it is still very usable.

[@HUGOBARRETO]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I'm using my 70d, I was really close to buy the 90d but like you I want to see the new gears, R5 and 6 specially the price :) my point with no AF on 120fps and no sound is the fact I recored 99% of the time alone, I do some sport Smartwatchs reviews and I'm one man crew :) also I have added the same lens (canon 16-35 2.8 on 70d and 90d I have the video online) and there is not much difference...with a good light. What do you think?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I'm planning on getting the 15-35 with my R5/6. Sounds like you are I are brothers from different mothers. The 16-35 will adapt nicely to the R5/6. It's a valid point. I think it was silly to disable the AF. It's lame. They should feel just a little embarrassed for pulling that.

[@IconicDollStudios]

Thank you so much for this detailed video the comparisons of the 2 cameras I would have never known without your help. I've looking to get the 90d anyway:) I guess each person have to choose a camera that best fits their needs, Im sure both these cameras are great I'd be happy with either one, I film KZbin videos for my Doll series, I take photos and use video recording as well👍😀

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

It's still a very good camera. Glad the video helped ;)

[@alexpucci5807]

I'm starting a KZbin channel that will need a lot of video shot outside and moving. I was told the 90d works great for that but after watching your video now am in doubt. What camera would you recommend for outside video?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

The 90D is a very good camera. It could function as a solid camera for a channel. If you channel is successful after a year or two, consider upgrading to the R5 or Sony a7S3. Consider the EF 50mm f1.2 as it grabs a lot of light. Get one new and its a good price.

[@alexpucci5807]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker would you recommend the 50 mm over the efs 10-22? That is the one my friend recommend for vlogging.

[@mb-watches]

@@alexpucci5807 check out the 10-18, it’s stabilised and would do the trick for vlogging. If you haven’t purchase the 90E yet you could consider also the M50 or M6 Mark II as they are easier to carry

[@michaelbell75]

The EOS R is $600 more than the 90D. $700 more when you add the EF adaptor, so its really not close in price at all. I shoot portraits and I chose the 90D over the R. I prefer to shoot 85mm but 85mm lenses are expensive. I'll take my cheap 50mm becoming an 80mm on an APS-C camera over the slight DOF advantage with FF.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Price is relative based on sales. They get close enough that many ask the question of which to choose. $700 is less than the price of a lens. Its about moving from APS-C to FF - does it provide enough benefit to justify the upgrade.

[@116Swimmer]

Nice video, i would suggest to do retakes for your small little mistakes - its ok if it happens once but it starts to lower the overall quality of the video if it happens multiple times. not hating, you make great reviews - just as a videographer i know that can be a bit better

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Thanks for the tips, but I reshoot the entire video after messing up the ISO setting. I was so tired, I had a choice, delete and walk away or just get it out there. But very valid point. With each video I get better. I am not striving for perfection with every shoot, but overall improvement with each video. There is a lot going on behind the scenes. I just removed my green screen. Unfortunately, it created other problems that I am working through.

[@116Swimmer]

Ordinary Filmmaker totally makes sense, would be a waste not to post!

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Have you ever done that? I checked the video before filming and it looked good, but when I started processing after an hour shooting, the ISO was off and my shirt had a lot of noise. I knew I had to reshoot... and just after midnight, the end segment was messed up. That is why y hair looks off. I did not check it. I was wiped. Keep up the critical reviews. I take them all to heart and am working every video to make things better. Do you like the black? I am thinking of getting a book case to add some depth.

[@lilianpetrom7216]

which year is better? Canon eos 90D or canon eos R

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

for video or photo?

[@lilianpetrom7216]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Photo

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I'd get the EOS R then. Keep in mind that we're getting two new entry level FF cameras from Canon and you might be interested in the more expensive one. Should be announced by June.

[@lilianpetrom7216]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I'm waiting for an answer

[@gabocumarin2043]

So... The R is no good for sports? 😭

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Not if players are moving ;)

[@ibsn87]

90D all the way! It’s video features are outstanding and EF-and S (edit added “S”) lenses. Say no more. Very very very happy with ours.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Yep, it offers great value. Such a powerhouse.

[@ibsn87]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker both 4K at 30fps. 90d is higher megapixel albeit smaller sensor. Picked up the 90D for $1420 Australian. The R is $2800+ and assuming your upgrading from aps-c, you need to buy new lenses or adapters. I personally see no value in an “upgrade” to the R! Scratching for the smallest increase in image detail is worthless when everything we upload falls into the hands of aggressive compression on Instagram, Facebook or KZbin. Comparing a video taken on 90D to a full frame battery guzzling mirrorless on KZbin. Picking the difference at the consumer end is near impossible. Creative talent and smart editing with thousands more in your back pocket to spend on gimbals, drones, lighting and lenses has worked for my wife, up till recently, she has made significant coin using nothing more then an 80D, Crane v1 gimbal and a DJI drone delivering output 1080p to VERY happy (return) customers. 90d with 4K was worth the leap, but we still use the 80d and image quality is honestly similar... I certainly don’t believe the R to be worth twice the price and the hassle of expensive new lenses. Maybe consider the R if your buying from scratch. But again. Return on your investment gets exponentially harder the more you spend. People need to remember, Individuals hire the talent and reputation more then they hire a “bigger sensor”. Entirely depends on your field of work, but as much as we would like to deliver higher image “quality”, we never once had a customer request 4K specifically. All the businesses and individuals want engaging media to share on the big 4 social media platforms and 90% of people including customer proofs (sadly) still watch them from their phone. This is the reality and where you should invest - all this of course is assuming your looking to make some coin from your camera. Edit:spelling

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

The EOS R isn't really an upgrade for video users, but for stills, its very powerful and recommended.

[@kingmassagevip3880]

Thanks for the vidéo. Is 90D is fois for music video ? If yes A what lens is good for 90D for the best vidéo?

[@iso64media13]

canon 16-35 l

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

You could. Depends on lighting. I'd want to use wide aperture lenses. The 16-35 is very good, I've also used the 50mm, but a 16mm would be great too as would a 35mm prime.

[@pequodexpress]

Is there any truth to the 90D not working well with older lenses?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Yes. There are lots of video that talk to this. Michael the Mavin has videos that address this very well. Tell Michal I say hi ;)

[@pequodexpress]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker There seem to be conflicting opinions. I've read Michael's account. Other people just say to make the AF microadjustments for each lens. I need to purchase either the 80D or the 90D ASAP and am not interested in buying new glass, as I already have the Sigma 70-200 2.8, EF50 1.8, Tokina ATX-Pro 27-70 2.6; and the EF 15-55 IS. The whole idea is to breathe new life into these lenses, upgrading from an EOS XSi.

[@lukewilliams3342]

I wouldn’t class the EOS R as an entry level full frame camera

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I would not class the EOS R as the entry level full frame either. I said it was a mid to low end full frame camera. The RP is Canon's entry level mirrorless.

[@lukewilliams3342]

Ordinary Filmmaker I specs I think look better than the 5dmrk4, so for canon I think it’s one of the best looking cameras at the moment

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

That was what most reviewers missed when the EOS R first came out - it was a mirrorless version of the 5D with a bunch of improvements. They should have called it the 5D mark IV plus, the 5D mark IV S or something cheesy like that.

[@nickrisk1111]

Boxing day...... back in the day, people were poor and siblings had to box each other for the present because their parents could only afford one?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Not true, but I love it ;)

[@nickrisk1111]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I know but it is more entertaining than Lords and Ladies boxed up leftovers and gifts to give servants that had to work on Christmas. Or the tradition that goes further back but without the term "Boxing Day" when the church used to leave boxes out to collect donations to deliver to the poor. The originators of "Toys for Tots" you could say.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

That's the best answer yet Nick. You earn the extra entry.

[@meyowind5743]

Should I upgrade my 90D over EOS R?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

What capabilities do you need? As I said in the he video, the 90D gives you more in terms of video capabilities. Not having 120 fps in 1080 is a big deal. The EOS R is a nice camera for video. I've used it, but lacking 10 bit internal C Log is a big miss. Clog matters a lot. Canon does give you 5 bit internal with the EOS R which does improve over standard.

[@meyowind5743]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I want videos capabilities.

[@AndresArosemena]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Hi! I'm so what confused. You say you prefer the 90D and that the R lacks 10bit internal and clog and that is a big miss, but the 90D does not have those either. So the only better video function in the 90d would be the 120fps at 1080p vs at 72 right?

[@eduardoballesteroshoffmann6324]

great thank's a looooooot! (one of the best reviews)

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Glad you liked it! More to come!

[@LolitaDavidovich934]

400mm f/2.8? I didn't know that existed.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Sure, if you have $12,000 it exists Lolita. So much for RF lenses are expensive ;) But if you have a really big budget, go with the Canon EF 1200mm. It will cost you about $90,000!

[@LolitaDavidovich934]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker sure, yeah! No problem.

[@semperepico]

Going to wait for the R6 I think

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

You won't be disappointed.

[@lukewilliams3342]

When would you say an average person will be able to get the R5?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I never said the average person could get the R5. I referenced the R5 for high detail 4K, and stated the price would be much higher. But the release of the R5 would be followed but he R6 and see a price reduction in the EOS R. I have said many times that the R5 would be at the very high end of what any ordinary filmmaker would be able to afford.

[@lukewilliams3342]

Ordinary Filmmaker No I mean, for people wanting to buy, when do you think it will be available for everyone to buy if they can afford

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Sorry, I need to wear my glasses... Announce this week or next, available July in limited quantities.

[@lukewilliams3342]

Ordinary Filmmaker so exciting! So looking forward to getting my hands on one! Thankyou for your videos, I have only recently found them and am loving them!

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Thank for that. You'll notice that every now and then, the videos get better. I'll try new techniques, improve lighting, or change something else. I am only six months old so change is constant.

[@mikeyswoosh5194]

Really hoping the r5 is less than 6k

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I am sure it will be under $4,000.

[@AugmentedGravity]

I'd have the R but if i had the choice, none of them as the R5 is coming out.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I have been waiting so long I decided to start a KZbin channel as a fundraising activity for the R5... ;) I'll be getting the R5 or the R6. The only thing I am concerned about is battery life.

[@AugmentedGravity]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker battery grip or external power source

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

For my KZbin stuff for sure and yeah the battery grip is a must purchase, but not a lot of fun for travel with the extra weight, but a good workaround. I wonder what the R5 will be like. By the way, you are one of my top commenters!

[@AugmentedGravity]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker well that's nice to hear. I think the R5 will have plenty of battery life for most situations, seeing as the R already performs really well actually, and the R5 even has a higher capacity battery. For travel, just bringing a couple of extra batteries in your bag would be enough i believe.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I am still looking for a battery I misplaced somewhere in the house. It is driving me insane.

[@Scotco35]

Great Video!

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Thanks Scott... Going back through my old videos are you ? ;)

[@Scotco35]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Gotta brush up on my "modding." lol

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Nice ;)

[@TVe200]

EOS R have some weaknesses but it is ten times more interresting than a dinosaur like 90D.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

You realize the 90D came out a year after the EOS R right? If the 90D is a dinosaur, that makes the EOS R a fossil.

[@TVe200]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Canon and Nikon desperately try to keep DSLR alive. 90D and D780 make no sense.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I'd agree if Canon had a suitable solid mirrorless to take its place. They were a little slow to mirrorless.

[@meyowind5743]

I want to take weeding pictures. Which do you recommend?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Weeding pictures? The EOS R is a better photo camera hands down, the 90D a better video camera

[@FinalLugiaGuardian]

Eos r is better I think.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

For photo, video or both?

[@MagivaIT]

great information just remember it isnt live, edit the video

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

This was one of my early videos. I've learned a lot since. Take a look at my recent R5 R6 EOS R review video!

[@diegothefrogboy2066]

I eat freaking ankles ;)

[@kbruff2010]

09/26/2020 thank you for this information

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

You’re welcome 😊

[@ryanburt423]

Is anyone getting donnyT vibes?

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Who's that?

[@CipherKilledit]

Daaaaamn! :)

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Which one do you like?

[@kevywilliams3304]

Blah blah blah . Way off topic .

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Bla, bla, bla... It's so on topic. Perhaps you should listen to the whole video before commenting. It's a capable slitty based discussion - its all about outcomes.

[@topshelf223]

Will my sigma fit the r? I want mirrorless full frame but I have ef lens