Oregon Measure 115, Impeachment, Explained | Elections 2024 | OPB

[@KC97220]

Voting no. We the people should have the power, not a heavily one sided house in Oregon.

[@BasedRanger]

Agreed.

[@aujuliawod]

So it takes away the people’s ability to recall officials with signatures. Instead we have to depend on other officials to be honest instead of being loyal to their political parties. Doesn’t sound good to me.

[@AustinSPTD1996]

Recalls could still be attempted if the measure passes. It would just not be as effective as an impeachment process if an official is credibly accused of misconduct yet refuses to leave office. Given how Oregon has seen two elected officials -- former Governor John Kitzhaber, and former Secretary Shemia Fagan -- both get involved in scandals in the last decade, the risk of an impeachment is a meaningful tool to ensure accountability in statewide office.

[@hollyscott4614]

You are only seeing it at surface level. If you did your work by voting good, honest people into state legislature positions then allowing the rule of law to be followed through the impeachment process means more or less, that the "people's ability" was just used in a different channel. We the people still have a say in an impeachment process, it is just via legislative vs. grass roots. A more formal process like other states means quicker and likely more thorough impeachments for the right reasons. I am a democrat and I am voting YES on this measure.

[@TrampMachine]

I voted yes but I think it's funny so many Republicans support it. Republicans won't have a 2/3rds majority anytime soon in Oregon and this would certainly be used against Republican legislatures who try to stop laws from being passed by not showing up. Either way I think it's good to be able to remove someone without needing a recall or them to step down.

[@dearfinesoul]

Impeach Tina Kotek

[@cassiehelms5517]

@@dearfinesoul why? What she do?

[@AnneBettelyoun]

Please explain what did she do

[@thompson4620]

Why?

[@kf7bws]

Impeachment is only analogous to an indictment, it draws up the charges. A trial is still needed to remove the impeached person from office, if they do not resign first. All persons in Oregon State government who are elected or appointed should be impeachable, not just a select few at the top. Additionally any state employee should be able to be fired for any of the same terms for which others are impeachable. The standard of %15 voters and 90 days is to high of a standard for recall. %10 and 120 days seems to be more reasonable. Both recall and impeachment could make our State Government more accountable to the people. We did see recently impeachment at the national level used as a political tool. This too could happen in Oregon and at some point probably would be. Rules for impeachment should include methods to prevent abuse.

[@Sezstu]

If passed, I'm sure it would be abused.

[@trevinbeattie4888]

With a ⅔ vote requirement in _both_ the House and Senate and the party in power has less than a 60% majority? I don’t think they’d have enough votes to abuse it; impeachment would require bipartisan support.

[@Idontcare-g1n]

I voted no because Oregon politicians will abuse it

[@jadenwracing8176]

@@Idontcare-g1n and how would they abuse it needing majority vote? Same system used for president, hasn’t been abused yet

[@Wolfslayer-hx7kg]

@@jadenwracing8176 wdym not abused yet???

[@jadenwracing8176]

@@Wolfslayer-hx7kg the only presidents that an impeachment was attempted on was Presidents Johnson, Clinton, and Trump all three remained in office following acquittals by the Senate on all charges. It’s not as easy to “abuse” as people think

[@SavorTheWin]

Huh...??? 2/3rds if the vote is the majority. You need to eat your veggies.

[@jadenwracing8176]

@@Wolfslayer-hx7kg the only presidents that an impeachment was attempted on was Presidents Johnson, Clinton, and Trump all three remained in office following acquittals by the Senate on all charges. It's not as easy to "abuse" as people think

[@hailutahistan3680]

I am a liberal Democrat but I voted against it because it can be easily abused by politicians, and has been in other states. Better to leave recalls to the voters.

[@thompson4620]

We are seeing a strange time where officials don't care how bad they act and it doesn't make sense to wait. It needs to be a public process. If Oregon state is the only state without similar laws, then why not? Where has this been abused?

[@Krystalmyth]

@@thompson4620 Florida.

[@thompson4620]

@@Krystalmyth what? Can you give us more than that?

[@HeatherFaraMS]

No. Gov K should have stayed...not married, not relevant, not important. We lost an amazing leader. Tell the person you object, have them stop...keep moving forward. We are too quick to accuse and this will be abused as it has been elsewhere.

[@Ampwich]

Almost seems like us conservatives would have no shot of ever getting ahead, like this could be abused. Correct me if I'm wrong

[@nothisispatrick3894]

@@Ampwich Depends on how you look at it. My concern would be Oregon becoming more conservative to where they could just impeach liberals just because they have the numbers. It has happened in other states, like flordia..

[@masonsmith5726]

@@Ampwich getting ahead of what?

[@patricknelson]

I voted yes to this; especially in combination with a yes on *Measure 117* (Ranked Choice voting). The reason is because ranked choice has been proven to help reduce polarized politics. This has many benefits, particularly in situations of impeachment where folks are worried about abuse.

[@jadenwracing8176]

Vote yes, this a non partisan issue. And the fact that we’re the only state that doesn’t have this should be a no brainer

[@NeverPullOutInMexico]

Don’t be a follower bro, be a leader

[@jadenwracing8176]

@@NeverPullOutInMexico a leader in not impeaching? Don’t be silly

[@mistersmith3986]

No. this is NOT a non partisan issue. If this passes, Democrats will high pace impeaching every Republican in the state with no good reason at all.

[@OsagieGuobadia]

I felt sad that no one is going to impeach in Oregon. Sorry for your loss. Don't worry, on Election Day 2024, there will be an elected official for Oregon. : ( BTW, I am not an Oregon, I am a New Yorker. : )

[@neon_Nomad]

Hmm

[@robertbrooks6167]

No

[@hartshut]

Vote no. If recall doesn’t work maybe they weren’t bad enough to be recalled. Too much opportunity for them to abuse it. Don’t give the legislators the ability to circumvent the voters. It makes no sense to me.

[@jadenwracing8176]

@@hartshut how do you think it will be abused needing 2/3 majority vote? You elect the legislature. And EVERYONE does this

[@hartshut]

@@jadenwracing8176 are you saying this bill will not provide any opportunities for abuse?

[@jadenwracing8176]

@@hartshut I’m saying it’s extremely hard to abuse something that needs 2/3rd vote

[@hartshut]

@@jadenwracing8176 why go from impossible to possible?

[@jadenwracing8176]

@@hartshut obviously no system is perfect, if so you would live somewhere else

[@serfredereck]

Impeach Kotex , yes .

[@xltek1]

Vote NO on all State Measures.

[@Ampwich]

Can you elaborate? (I'm legit wanting to know)

[@hollyscott4614]

@@Ampwich clearly they have given them little to no thought.... each one is very important to those of us who live in Oregon and will affect our lives be it in tax form or legislative form. More thought than just "No's" down the line is needed and shows how simple-minded some people are.... go back in your hole xltek1...

[@Ampwich]

@@hollyscott4614 I looked into them more and it's all a no for me as well

[@patricknelson]

​@@Ampwich At least your vote was educated. Personally I think yes on Measure 117 is huge (ranked choice voting helps everyone, especially once we get used to it). I think that makes impeachment a bit more viable given if we can reduce polarization in politics (an effect of ranked choice) then the likelihood of abuse I think goes down.

[@HeatherFaraMS]

Yes on rank choice.

[@cestmoifu1406]

Move to Idaho if u don’t like it 😊

[@DMJohns608]

No