Orthodox Conference - History of the Old Calendarists + Q&A

Orthodox Conference - History of the Old Calendarists + Q&A - Hierodeacon Ieronymos

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The fourth talk given during the first Orthodox Conference in Toronto held by the Holy Theotokos Convent in Cedar Valley, Canada. Hierodeacon Ieronymos spoke on the History of the Genuine Orthodox Church of Greece and why we are where we are today. Towards the end of the talk there is also a Q&A session where all the Fathers answer questions.
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@ZoellnerNikolaus 2 ай бұрын

🙏 Many thanks from Germany! God bless you all.

@francinebotton2635 2 ай бұрын

I came to Orthodoxy from Judaism 25 years ago, trying to figure out which jurisdiction to join was challenging. After studying the history of the Church , the new calendar was a significant issue enough for me not to want to participate in. It is not for me to say that they don't have Grace but I had to make a decision. Thank you for this wonderful lecture!

@GenuineOC 2 ай бұрын

Once someone sees the problems in the Ecumenists Churches it’s impossible to unsee.

@T_Wozna 2 ай бұрын

Thank you! I really appreciated the context regarding Elder Ieronymos statement when he said he was “with all”. A lot of people misuse and abuse that quote. I’ve even seen NCs use it to show he supported New Calendarists!

@GenuineOC 2 ай бұрын

The New Calendarists who say this should learn to read more carefully. He only says “with all” after being asked about the Old Calendarist factions. It’s also unfortunate that many who knew him did not write down the things which he said concerning his thoughts about this and about Archbishop Auxentius. Today it has become word of mouth.

@Unseen_warfare. 2 ай бұрын

“A quote from Elder Joseph the Cave dweller from the Holy Mountain one who again those who follow the New calendar never cease to grasp at in pushing their point across but they do so in vain. Do not fear he says the Masons are devising many plans and want many things but only if the Lord of all allows them to, without his will as he said neither a hair nor a leaf falls. He shall despise their councils, here the Elder is telling us not to worry about what is going on since God knows all and will show us all the way. God does not approve of innovation or of heresy and so these things will appear and be revealed when he wishes and we will know what to do”- Hierodeacon Ieronymos “Saint Nektarios of Aegina a very beloved Saint, one who is loved by those on the New calendar but was in no way pleased by that innovation said “We should not change the calendar because all our feasts of our church have been established on it especially the eternal pascha” The Two men he was speaking to replied “But if the church accepts the reform which is happening.. what are we to do”… “You remain as you are” he said “you will not follow the reformers because the Gregorian has been condemned by two Pan Orthodox councils under patriarch Jeremias in 1592 and 1593 two councils and a anathema in 1843 it is impossible for Orthodox to accept the change, I do not accept or follow anyone even if I stay alone” The two men replied “but if we do not have a priest or priests what will we do and if we do not have a Church and have everyone with the New calendar there how do we deal with it”. “Why are you worried” he said. “Your homes will become Churches” “If you read in the history of our Church in times of rebellion many houses have become places of common prayer. All this and much more was said.”- Hierodeacon Ieronymos, (From a Periodical from the Monastery of Esphigmenou on the Holy Mountain)

@TheGreekOrthodox 2 ай бұрын

This monk made a flawless presentation of the history of our Genuine Orthodox Church of Greece Congratulations !!!

@evangelosnikitopoulos 2 ай бұрын

What Synod are you part of? I'm in the GOC

@T_Wozna 2 ай бұрын

GOC under Abp Makarios

@snowps1 2 ай бұрын

This is the "Genuine Orthodox Church". It's a separatist group from the rest of the Orthodox world including the GOC. These guys are a small sect that think they are the true church and the rest of us Orthodox are all wrong.

@danube466 12 күн бұрын

You missed that it was befitting to declare New Calendarist without Grace by the introduction of the 1920 Encyclical Alone.. You censored all the deliberation between Chyrsostom Florina and Bishop Matthew in their agreed condemnation of New Calender as Graceless, Despite Florina temporarily retracting on this belief, on his death bed he admitted to it.

@GenuineOC 12 күн бұрын

@@danube466 We don’t deal with rumours or “he said she said,” just facts. As I said in the talk, it was actually impossible to declare the state church graceless based on the introduction of the New Calendar alone, because that would mean that Met. Chrysostom of Florina (being part of the state church until many years after the introduction of the new calendar) would have also been without the grace of God, which would also mean that Bishop Matthew was ordained by a false Bishop. This is the illogical type of thinking which caused the Florinite-Matthewite fights and was entirely irrelevant to the talk.

@dmitri1483 2 ай бұрын

Where is that St Nektarios quote from?

@GenuineOC 2 ай бұрын

Originally I saw it in Greek in a periodical by the Monastery of Esphigmenou on the Holy Mountain

@Unseen_warfare. 2 ай бұрын

@@GenuineOC “A quote from Elder Joseph the Cave dweller from the Holy Mountain one who again those who follow the New calendar never cease to grasp at in pushing their point across but they do so in vain. Do not fear he says the Masons are devising many plans and want many things but only if the Lord of all allows them to, without his will as he said neither a hair nor a leaf falls. He shall despise their councils, here the Elder is telling us not to worry about what is going on since God knows all and will show us all the way. God does not approve of innovation or of heresy and so these things will appear and be revealed when he wishes and we will know what to do”- Hierodeacon Ieronymos “Saint Nektarios of Aegina a very beloved Saint, one who is loved by those on the New calendar but was in no way pleased by that innovation said “We should not change the calendar because all our feasts of our church have been established on it especially the eternal pascha” The Two men he was speaking to replied “But if the church accepts the reform which is happening.. what are we to do”… “You remain as you are” he said “you will not follow the reformers because the Gregorian has been condemned by three Pan Orthodox councils under patriarch Jeremias in 1592 and 1593 two councils and anathemas in 1843 it is impossible for Orthodox to accept the change, I do not accept or follow anyone even if I stay alone” The two men replied “but if we do not have a priest or priests what will we do and if we do not have a Church and have everyone with the New calendar there how do we deal with it”. “Why are you worried” he said. “Your homes will become Churches” “If you read in the history of our Church in times of rebellion many houses have become places of common prayer. All this and much more was said.”- From a Periodical from the Monastery of Esphigmenou on the Holy Mountain

@JettWatson24 Ай бұрын

Forgive me for my ignorance, but is the GOC Makarios synod in communion with HOCNA? I know there was a break in 2019, but has it been restored since then? I was under the impression also that Holy Theotokos Convent was under HOCNA as well.

@GenuineOC Ай бұрын

@@JettWatson24 No the two Synods are not in communion. Met. Makarios of Toronto, the last original hierarch of HOCNA chose to remain in communion with Archbishop Makarios in 2019, while the rest of the Hierarchs broke communion with Archbishop Makarios since they were unwilling to sign a confession of faith against the teachings of Fr. Anthony Bulatovich and ‘Bishop’ Gregory Lourie. The Holy Theotokos Convent remained and remains under Metropolitan Makarios of Toronto who is a member of the Synod of Archbishop Makarios.

@JettWatson24 Ай бұрын

@@GenuineOC Ah I see. Thank you for the clarification.

@user09587 2 ай бұрын

Bless, Fathers. Where can I find a directory of your monasteries, convents, and parishes in the U.S. and Canada? I am in NY and would like to visit.

@GenuineOC 2 ай бұрын

@@user09587 I will direct you to our website which lists our Parishes: genuineoc.blogspot.com/2022/12/churches-and-monasteries.html?m=1

@user09587 2 ай бұрын

@@GenuineOC Thank you.

@user09587 2 ай бұрын

@@GenuineOC It is 9 hours driving time to Toronto from my current home; however, we are planning to move soon and are praying for guidance on where to live. Can you direct me to possible upcoming locations in the U.S.?

@GenuineOC 2 ай бұрын

@@user09587 Send and email to the email linked on the channel and I’ll give you directions to that.

@user09587 2 ай бұрын

@@GenuineOC Thank you, I just sent it.

@TheHackingWeasel Ай бұрын

Wow you guys are so off that's not what happened in Astoria , you guys are just mad Metropolitan petros because he was going to join the canonical Church at the end of his life Can you stop already with the calendar issue we all know it was UNcanonical and it shouldn't have happened half of the Orthodox World accepted it for almost all of us we were born into it why don't you promote Unity all our voices could join together and go against ecumenism

@GenuineOC 22 күн бұрын

Those voices who are against ecumenism are to be found within the Old Calendar Churches with confessing Bishops, not those who have compromised the faith in the Patriarchates. We are not mad about anything, these are the facts…

@godsaveus4380 2 ай бұрын

I'm told point by point that this is a really twisted, manipulated history. Can you ask the other side to post a rebuttal? I've already heard a lot.

@GenuineOC 2 ай бұрын

@@godsaveus4380 It would be nice if anyone was willing. Unfortunately when one tries more hypocrisy is brought forth and so they’re afraid to do so. The information which is provided is not well known in the English-speaking world. In the Greek-speaking world however it is widely known and spoken about often. It’s probably brand new for most people hearing.

@godsaveus4380 2 ай бұрын

@GenuineOC I'm going to ask.

@GenuineOC 2 ай бұрын

@@godsaveus4380 The side of the GOC-K has over and over again been told, just not challenged enough.

@ServantofGod-zj3jd 2 ай бұрын

Did you repent for supporting and accepting the teaching "Name-worshipping" condemned by the entire Church? We are told that this is why you left hocna. Did you ask forgiveness from all the people you slandered who left before you?

@GenuineOC 2 ай бұрын

If you wish to ask someone a question directly, it would be a good idea to do that. Not to publish a bunch of questions on a public forum directed to a person who will never read them here.

@user-ti2oo4wi7x 2 ай бұрын

Може ли превод на български език?Към владиката Димитрий ли сте?

@GenuineOC 2 ай бұрын

Може, сега има превод на блгарски език. Ние не сме со Владиката Димитриј.

@user-ti2oo4wi7x 2 ай бұрын

Благодаря за превода!

@joachim847 Ай бұрын

Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, _This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils._ And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. Wherefore I say unto you, _All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men._ And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come (Matthew 12:22-32).

@GenuineOC Ай бұрын

@@joachim847 those who altered the faith have committed such a sin

@Pb-nutts 2 ай бұрын

The problem with these old calendarists is that it has been pointed out many times that the documents they are claiming from 1583 are actually forgeries. But they continue to insist.

@GenuineOC 2 ай бұрын

Even without those two councils ever existing, which let’s be honest, the simple people of Greece had no clue about, the ecumenist issue and its tie to the calendar is still relevant and that is truly what we’re looking at here.