Our Gutter Machine and how we make gutters

[@JonathanTorres-jd7fm]

Straight to the point!! Good job!!! Keep it up!!!

[@CertitudeHI]

Thanks man!!!

[@bigrhinonagy9808]

I used to do gutters and by far the best job I ever had and if you have a outstanding boss that makes it all the better worked westvirgina ky. Ohio

[@CertitudeHI]

Gutter Done Brother!!!!

[@LjThaDon]

Dope review! I’ve been wanting to start my own Gutter LLC this video is really useful in beginning stages of gutter installation!🙌🏽

[@CertitudeHI]

Glad it was helpful!

[@LogosFarm]

Did you end up doing it? Looking into doing the same

[@saveriodipoce2201]

Hi.It has been so long since i made gutter I started a Bus.in Italy around 1987 just south of Rome..When i started there was another guy in southern Italy.There was only two of us making gutter for about 5 years here in Italy.Before us they made gutter in galvanize steel in 4 meter length with benders. I started with two machines made by Knudson out of Colorado. One used of 25 cm wide coils and one 38 cm. Around 1993 i had an american mfg make me a bigger machine that used 50 cm wide coils.The guy in southern Italy made down tubes and elbow,i made brackets,end caps etc,we would exchange products. In late 1998 i got tired in making thousand and thousand of meter of gutter.Sold the business and retired. I had two trucks one had the 25 cm and the 38 cm side by side.The other truck had the 50 cm,We would go on site cut and drop and do the installing later,or we would outsource the installation.Ciao from 70 miles south east of Rome Italy

[@ry9756]

Man I really like the idea of having the machine in a work van, especially in the city, having a trailer sometimes is too much

[@youyobush7597]

I agree with You

[@primages45]

Gotta be fun loading 6” coils

[@Brock.D2]

@@primages45 not hard they drop it right on your cradle with a fork lift

[@samuelalvarez3762]

What kind of van would work best?

[@adquilantang]

"Option Stupid" Perfect use of the word stupid. The way he said it reminded me of Transformers "Planet dirt".

[@CertitudeHI]

LOL

[@jodymcclelland2902]

Fantastic video very informative

[@Dominick_Calvitto.]

Thanks for Refreshing My Memory i just Applied for a Job Working With The Same Equipment..

[@CertitudeHI]

Glad I could help

[@rock4891]

Not a bad video / but there are a few things I would like to teach ALL newcomers to the business / #1 - Hidden Hangers / there good if used in the right place / it is NOT the strongest hanger that is made and is not good for areas where it snows / I noticed pine trees in the background so I'm going to assume it snows there / for the best hangers for a snow area / go to Lynch Aluminum and have them send you a sample of the " Heavy Duty Brute Hanger with the Strap" I don't think you will be able to find a better hanger ANYWHERE / he also shows putting the screw (of the Hidden Hanger) into the gutter before he hangs it / I would not do that / if the screw is sticking out even just a 1/4 inch past the back / the gutter will get caught up on the fascia board while it's being installed / when the gutter is in place / then put the screw in / he also shows a few ways to install a end cap / I do like it when he talks about the cap coming off if you do nothing / do not put screws in the end caps / just looks bad / use the tool " end cap crimper" looks much better / pops are OK but it takes much longer to install / lets move to the outlet cups / the way he shows will work but there are 2 faster ways that look and work much better / first is a hole saw / ALL gutter supply house's carry them / a 2-3/8 inch or a bigger one a 3 inch hole saw / just cut the hole where you need it to be and drop your outlet cup down and it's done / 2nd way to make a hole in the gutter for a downspout is a downspout punch / thay cost a bit but if you do not lose it / the tool will last you the rest of your life / mine is going on 50 years old / lastly is the caulking / I personaly do not like calking in what looks like a tooth paste tube but that is just me / I like a real caulking tube that fits into a caulking gun / and my caulking of choice is the Geocel brand / caulking is just a matter of choice / most work good / Geocel has NEVER let me down since 1977 / so that is it for now on how to install what you just saw / you can go to my website at / www.RainGuttersByRock.com / and just a bit of advice to ALL of you Pros out there / STOP doing bids for FREE / my website says wright on it / I'm not the cheapest but I do think I'm the best, and I charge $20 for a bid / I have only had (2) people tell me NO since 2012 / all the rest pay me my $20. you can also read about some of my ideas in Gutter Enterprise / which might be the ONLY Gutter Magazine that is printed today / also look up my ( Cost Calculator in the Jan/Feb issue on page 20 ) / it will save you from running out to each and everyone who calls you / some just want a price and then like to think about things / it's a really helpful tool / copy it if you want / I'm giving it out to the gutter world / use it. Thanks for reading this / and no hate emails please / all the advice I'm putting out here is from 50 years of installing / there just the way I do things / pick your own path / Thanks Again / Rock.

[@rhether]

Should you add caulking to the endcaps?

[@djbuck4948]

I've been installing gutter for a little more than 2 years. We space our hangers out a little bit further than 2 ft and we haven't had any issues so far and the only other thing we do different is we don't hook the hanger onto the back of the gutter. We just leave it inside the gutter and shoot through the back into the fascia. When we put on our end caps we use cramps instead of screws but the way you do it works just as well. Can I put my downspouts up I don't use a drop outlet. I trace the perimeter of the elbow into the bottom of the gutter then I cut a x through the middle of it and fold the tabs down and it's just a lot faster and it saves money on material and overhead. I use drop outlets only when I'm putting drop outlets on structural gutter when we build pool enclosures or poly roofs

[@LogosFarm]

Are you charging by linear foot? And if so how much?

[@murphmurph2124]

Great video, I did guttering decades ago, we use to call those crimpers snap locks and there was a punch for the outlets I don't think you got a lot of gain out of it, I love the new type of hangers we used to have to use spikes and ferrules.

[@CertitudeHI]

Yeah those spikes suck compared to hidden hangers

[@idrive335]

Show how You make corners brother! This is good

[@Nickinthemaking]

Great informative video. Can you do an instructional video of installing gutters to one side?

[@RRamses]

When you use the crumpets for the end caps make sure the black side of the crumpets stay on the inside most part of the end cap not out, just a heads up! Beautiful machine man

[@CertitudeHI]

thx for the tip

[@renecapron920]

j'adore ce que vous faites super bien

[@hermangroenewald6939]

Excellent explanation, i am very curious to start a business in South Africa

[@ErniesGutterDenverCO]

I liked your video... keep up the good work. Ernie

[@CertitudeHI]

Thank you very much!

[@Irvfam]

What is your customer ask for a different colors? How does that work?

[@rahulqlvir4182]

No wonder this got so many views, keeping the business fun. I like that, keep up the good work!

[@CertitudeHI]

OH YEAH

[@themechanic4222]

I’m no contractor or gutter guy just curious 🧐 how they do it . OUTSTANDING

[@CertitudeHI]

THANKS!!

[@jomu23]

So y'all use a machine to make the downspouts, or buy them separately? Great vid btw. Short, and to the point!

[@benm12310]

Buy them separately in boxes of ten x 8ft

[@LogosFarm]

@@benm12310 Could you use a jig or sawzall to make the hole for the outlet to the down spout? Or are the snips the ideal tool?

[@rock4891]

Just but the downspouts / the machine cost a lot and to me is not worth it

[@enriquevlldrs34]

I am interested where I can buy a similar machine

[@victorerick7340]

how do I get started in this, like to learn ? school ?

[@darbyrendrag816]

We used to solder everything and used a hand crank gutter maker when I did it years ago way different now a days

[@randyhill598]

You like the van better than trailer? I have a trailer but young employees so been thinking about the vans?!

[@michealcramer7755]

Looks good dudd

[@goku8558]

buen dia cuanto cuesta la maquina estoy interesado

[@M_Alkhafaji_USA]

I liked it, So is it easy to be Gutter installer? I have a job right now, but I like to change my career. Thank you in advance.

[@thewhiterabbit2019]

that metal looks sharp as all hell. How often do you cut yourself? Do you ever have to get stitches?

[@mikebeddingfield2144]

Looks like a iron man machine i have one my favorite was the job sight i had. With the iron man you can't let it get overly hot in the summer the neoprene rollers can melt.

[@CertitudeHI]

Never had that issue but...thx i will keep an eye on it

[@rock4891]

plus the new rollers do get dirty / it puts marks on the gutters / the job sight WAS the best / I had one.

[@rock4891]

Not sure where you live / but it will get up to 125 degrees and the rollers do not melt

[@michealcramer7755]

They make punches for any kind of outlet.

[@jonhohensee3258]

Stop with the lies.

[@peterandkodiak9762]

Very good video. Excellent content. Thank you! A+

[@CertitudeHI]

Much appreciated!

[@ilc-nl3yy]

I just had the top of my chimney removed to the roofline. The remaining part will be for storage, but it sticks out about 20 inches. Can they make a 40 foot gutter that curves about 2 feet in the center? I'd like one continuous gutter.

[@CertitudeHI]

I have not done a curved gutter. Not sure it’s possible. I suggest adding a diverted on the roof line to divert the water to either side of the curved area which could dump the water into the gutter on either side of the curve. Hope that helps if not sorry in advance🤘🏼

[@waterdroplets3700]

Have you tried caulking the outlet/end caps? That’s what we do and have never had a call back.

[@CertitudeHI]

Yeah we caulk all those!!!🤟

[@sbsecmar]

hi! just wanna ask, where you bought that machine? thanks

[@brandonleesanders]

Pop rivet is the best for the end cap

[@mrt7512]

Where can I purchase the gutter maker?

[@nehemz432]

why not attach the outlet from below the gutter, not inside, so that a lot of fine debris like dirt wont get trapped. also can the machine make different shapes of gutter?

[@michaelsavici9966]

What size sprinter van do you have? I’m looking to move from a npr for better fuel mileage.

[@farmfitnesspham4913]

How do you price by foot or by house side

[@KeasDad]

Thanx for this upload. Quick question, What's name make and model of that particular machine?

[@CertitudeHI]

5/6 KWM Ironman ...if u search through the comments u might find some other helpful tips too.

[@adnanal-zuhairi7562]

Bro , it’s very cool video, may i ask you what is the brand of your machine and do you recommend to buy same ?

[@solefinder3708]

Also, I wonder if one machine can also work with plastic gutters?

[@FnS59]

Looks like a 5”/6” Combo from KWM Gutterman

[@gabyotaov5250]

Do you work in North Highlands, Ca

[@CertitudeHI]

Sorry but no we r in Pennsylvania near Philly

[@r.c.850]

how cost that gutter making machine? and I get one?

[@CertitudeHI]

depends which one u get...do a search online or at a local distributer.

[@ivanpalacios5467]

What brand machine are you using?

[@CertitudeHI]

5/6" KWM IRONMAN

[@JM-zu2pd]

I laughed way to hard at "ummm.... I don't know what just happened to the camera?!"

[@CertitudeHI]

lol

[@sethkrattiger2290]

What company is your gutter machine from?

[@CertitudeHI]

its the KWM Ironman 5/6k machine

[@michaelgaeta3151]

How long is your machine? What is a good size enclosed trailer that will hold material, stock, tools, ladders ect..? Minimum size ?

[@rock4891]

All of you thinking about getting into the Rain Gutter business / DO NOT BUY A TRAILER / get a van / (1) it keeps the $12,000 machine out of the weather / (2) you can lock up ALL your tools and not have to empty out your truck every night / and (3) someday you WILL get in a tight spot and you will be glad you bought a Van. Yes, a van costs more / but it will pay for itself.

[@kpsconstruction1]

How to order the seamless gutters 5 k. Style?

[@CertitudeHI]

We purchased this online @ buymbs.com/ and had it shipped to our supply house and I asked them to load it on the truck..if your close to the KWM location I think you can go pick it up.

[@harrygordon2619]

Great video I really like the set up but my question is with a van already being pretty low to the ground can you print 100 ft gutters with out eventually hitting the ground?

[@CertitudeHI]

yeah sometimes the gutter will hit the ground so what i do it make sure the truck is as flat as possible (on level ground) or if thats not possible adjust the truck so that it will not hit the ground.

[@rock4891]

The best way to install the gutter machine in a van is to put it on top of 4X4s / it gives it a lift and makes long runs much easier / and this is to the public / the pros know this already / NEVER use a screw to install an end cap / C'MON MAN

[@rock4891]

If you put the gutter machine on a 4X4 both front and back when putting it into a Van it will lift it up and help with the longer runs

[@najeemullahkhan2199]

How much the price of this gutter machine.

[@ilovetech]

Where to buy the gutter machine ??

[@CertitudeHI]

Got mine online and had it shipped to my supply house then they loaded it up into the truck.. now I have a fork lift but I didn’t at the time.

[@ChristopherWrasse]

"...and ahh, if you don't do any of these, you can just put it on there and it'll just fly right off the side. So, that's option stupid!" hilarious and appreciate the laugh. Great video.

[@CertitudeHI]

thx man!!!

[@ShahzadAli-st8yw]

Best video

[@abuzar-mi7ri]

Nice good work

[@CertitudeHI]

Thank you so much 😀

[@oscarflako3108]

What kind of gutter machine are you using?

[@CertitudeHI]

KWM 5-6 Ironman

[@RoofDRyxe306]

Nice vid. What kind if van? Is it hard loading your metal in on the side door? Im stuck on if i should buy an envlosed trailer or Van

[@CertitudeHI]

The van is a ProMaster 2500 159 wheelbase...We use a forklift to load the coils off the side of the truck (its super easy) ....Trailers r nice too (buying the truck and outfitting it will be more costly than a trailer so financially... assuming u already have a truck to pull the trailer...its cheaper to do a trailer) Either way u will be printing money!!!

[@LogosFarm]

@@CertitudeHI how heavy are the coils if one does not have a forklift available?

[@CertitudeHI]

@@LogosFarm The coil that fits on these spools are about 360-380 pounds ...u can take a 2x4 with 3 people run it through the middle and pick them up and put them on the machine. I would not do that tho. The other option is have your supply house load it on the machine. or what i did was use an engine hoist for a while.

[@CertitudeHI]

This is in a doge promaster 2500 high top (not sure about the wheel base but it the biggest one they make) I can load the machine through the side door. On this machine I have 2 spools to hold coils. Once is set for 6" and the other is for 5" coils. If u do this type of setup make sure u purchase a transfer bar (its basically a bar that allow you to put a coil on the bar and slide or roll it to the front spool and vice versa. We chose to put it in this van because it was a vehicle we had sitting around and it worked great. That said you would be good with a trailer if you cant dedicate a truck to the machine. Make sure the trailers dimensions will fit the machine and make sure it will hold the weight and that you truck can pull the trailer loaded with coils and machine weight. I think you would need a 2500 with a beefed up suspension or a 3500. Dont use a 1500 it will blow up. Good luck bro

[@RoofDRyxe306]

A come alomg and hoist would work good to eh. Great work i just got my van and gutter machine. ​@CertitudeHI

[@farmfitnesspham4913]

How much it cost to start this business and how much you made a year

[@GorVala]

"GUTTER DONE" OR "ALMOST CUT MY FINGER OFF" should be on a t shirt. Awsome video brother

[@CertitudeHI]

YES...GUTTER DONE!!!!

[@BrightthgirB]

You the man bro💪🫡

[@fabioapelbaum8840]

How can i find a truck like yours in phoenix AZ that can come and cut the gutters to size instead of going to home depot?

[@CertitudeHI]

I dont know but there has to be someone doing this there.

[@bill6698]

Hard to believe you didn't caulk the endocap or drain.

[@apexroofingandconstruction4736]

Good video. Ignore the hater below

[@isaaclopez3433]

Badass.

[@hdrider05]

whats the difference between 5k and 6k ?

[@CertitudeHI]

5k holds 1.2 gallon of water per ft and 6K holds 2 gallons of water per ft this is a 60 to 70% increase of water per ft. Really the style of roof (shingle/metal/cedar) and the Pitch of the roof (low slope vs steep pitch) and the length of the roof ( 1ft vs 60ft or more) and the roof material overhang (1/2" vs 3" plus) and the size of the fascia board (4" vs 12" plus) all determine if you need a 5" or 6" gutter. You can get all nerdy or just go bigger...to cover your ass.

[@ugochukwu198]

Please what is the name of machine?

[@CertitudeHI]

KWM Ironman 5/6 but they have many others to choose from based on your needs...

[@eddiegutierrez2739]

Hey man, do you have a separate machine for downspouts and elbows? Or do you just buy those at the store?

[@CertitudeHI]

We currently just buy the elbows...however we plan to purchase a machine to make them out of the spouts. It doesn't really make sense to buy one of these machines because (they are expensive) you need to make a crap load of elbow before you get a return on your investment. When we get that machine we will post that thing for sure.

[@rocky6703]

Do you need a specific license to install gutters like a contract license?

[@CertitudeHI]

No that I know of

[@murphmurph2124]

Depends on state, county or locale.

[@mikebeddingfield2144]

A business license is recommended it is required by most if not all states and in some areas you will be required to get a building permit for the work performed.

[@murphmurph2124]

@@mikebeddingfield2144 yes absolutely

[@luish3075]

Great video

[@CertitudeHI]

Thanks!

[@mauriciogonzalez6302]

Can you bend something as small as 1” by 1” square channel? I’d like to make channel to install permanent Christmas lights.

[@CertitudeHI]

This machine does not ...but its a good idea!!!

[@johne3999]

Is there a machine that makes seamless round gutters? I am planning on hiring someone to install them for me and want to avoid K style gutters. Not that they are bad but round gutters are a little easier to clean due to the lack of edges. I'm willing to pay a premium for that little bit of convenience. yes, I know that all gutters require maintenance. neglected gutters will go bad quickly.

[@CertitudeHI]

Yes ...its most likely going to be hard to find a place that offers them seamless in half round (the machine can cost around 40k) so there are few places that offer that service...We offer it however don't own the machine ...we sub it to a company that just runs these out of a truck. We don't have a huge demand for Half rounds so it makes sense to do it this way for us.

[@seanoavea8544]

Not gonna lie when he cut the gutter I was like damn that easy

[@LilDirt12]

" Let's gutter done" 🤘😎

[@issahakuadama2217]

How much is the machine

[@CertitudeHI]

about 13k

[@murphmurph2124]

Whew wee! , I'll stay in retirement. ,Lol

[@chasekelly4972]

@@CertitudeHI you’re probably not gonna see this but what package do you recommend getting with the 5 and 6 combo like guillotine and reel packages and stuff!

[@JustMe-ci5mp]

This guy cracks me up! I think he could have his own show on TV :) I like when he says there are 'three' ways to attach the end piece.....and holds up two fingers. Hilarious! I think he would be fun to work with. LOL @ and don't forget....'COFFEE'. I'm done. haha

[@CertitudeHI]

Thx .... just out here making gutters & drinking coffee

[@nickohler882]

Also your gonna throw the adjustments off the fron of machine not having it on a stand and just letting it hang out over 4 or 5 feet. Just saying. Cool video tho. Love gutters and seeing how diff people do them.

[@rahulqlvir4182]

Also invest in a hole saw my man. It will make the outlet holes a lot easier!

[@muddinbros4873]

My company uses this big punch works great

[@LogosFarm]

Could you use a jig saw? Or sawzall?

[@rodriguezestates1324]

What about angles

[@koreyjf8095]

How much did the machine? Tools and Van cost total investment

[@CertitudeHI]

If you get a used Promaster 2500 high top with the 169 wheel base with like 75k miles it would run you about 20k based on the year....The machine itself is about 14k then add the accessories, transfer bar and 2 coil holders which will be around 1k ...then you need to get a generator that at least is a 5000watt to run the 6k gutter coil (1k) through the machine and then get 2 coils one 5k and 6k which ($1400.00) and then get hangers end caps and all that stuff ($1k) ...and you will need an engine hoist ($400) or a fork lift to put the coils on and off the truck...a used fork lift can be about 4k to 8k based on the model you will only need a 3000lb rated fork lift...we have an propane one but now you can get full battery ones. All in to be up and running I would have at least 35 to 40k for a gutter truck setup. If you have the sales and sell jobs at a 50% profit margin...it should pay for itself if you produce $80,000 worth of gutter installs.

[@koreyjf8095]

@@CertitudeHI 3- 5 jobs a week. I could crush this in under 6 months . thanks

[@CertitudeHI]

@@koreyjf8095 Hell Yeah..GET IT

[@crushingstuff777]

Well 3 month update?

[@jomu23]

@@koreyjf8095 been about six months? How goes it?

[@josiasramirez6943]

Very helpful vid

[@CertitudeHI]

Thx

[@mike73ng]

And that’s why it’s absolutely criminal to ask $30,000 for putting up 411 linear feet of gutter (and 13 downspouts). Oh, and that was the best price after being talked down from $40,000! Skip college kids. Go into the trades.

[@codybennett8422]

That’s astronomical. 250 feet of gutter and six downspouts cost me $2200.

[@farmfitnesspham4913]

Yes never forgot your coffee

[@nickohler882]

Is that a iron man machine?

[@itslike123]

Nice work, sealing should be done before you install the end cap. Otherwise, will fail in few months

[@rock4891]

Your almost correct / you want to first put the end cap on ( less mess ) / then seal / if you seal it correct it will last for years / I have been installing since 1977 / I know...

[@jesseybelanger5764]

There is only one way to put end caps on and that is end cap crimpers with a bead of caulk you spread with your 6” ferrule that you crushed the top flat using your hammer

[@darryltaylor9916]

..just squeeze the caulk into the crack with the caulk gun...no need to pick up a spike....not every crew uses spike and ferral..

[@المهديخاتلبالمجاري]

What is 5 or 6 k? Do you mean inch?

[@CertitudeHI]

Yes this machine makes 5" and 6" gutters

[@aristotlemarquardt693]

Could I reach out to you

[@jonhohensee3258]

question mark

[@sandro14esandro14e]

Does any one still use 4 1/2 roll form blades

[@CertitudeHI]

not sure...

[@GorVala]

Seems like screws are the easiest and fastest and most long lasting way i would imagine. Although im no professional what so ever.

[@CertitudeHI]

Screws are fast however crimping the ends is a much nicer look

[@pixellee5242]

The crimp holds up perfectly fine. Especially after caulk.. getting them off in order to add on more gutter to an existing install is a battle sometimes. I use needle nose pliers and spin them like I'm opening a can of sardines in order to get them off. Lol

[@allroundtv4697]

Pls sir can you help me, our production on plastic gutter is not strong, our gutter is not strong pls sir can you help pls

[@michealcramer7755]

Don’t use plastic...

[@bryanthompson9610]

Do you want to sell the machine?

[@CertitudeHI]

I don't want to sell my machine but you can go buy ur own online and have it shipped to you. Good luck.

[@carcasscruncher9354]

Before you rivet the downspout piece caulk it. You wont have all the mess or a leak

[@farmfitnesspham4913]

That option stupid and lazy lol I like him

[@aluminumvip]

We are gutter aluminum coils supplier in China 3003&3105 aluminum alloy.

[@et1763]

Can't do gutter guard w them clips tho💯

[@CertitudeHI]

Yes gutter guards fit in and u can use Lead Relief which actually has a step up to allow for an even bigger hanger ( not all of the ones look like the ones in the video...some stick up a little more)

[@michealcramer7755]

Screws in the caps look bad. Crimps are what you are to use.

[@jesseybelanger5764]

Instead of using outlets just cut your hole smaller and make tabs out of the extra metal and rivet the elbow to the tabs. Caulk the corners if you cut your hole too big

[@Justin_Sanders1234]

Get some crimps for the end caps, bro

[@WhiteExcalibur808]

Thank you man honestly just get a pair of crimps never ever use zip screw😑

[@jonhohensee3258]

Josh - YOU get 'em.

[@Justin_Sanders1234]

@@jonhohensee3258 I have them for gutters, thx

[@jonhohensee3258]

@@Justin_Sanders1234 - NO ARGUING.

[@Justin_Sanders1234]

@@jonhohensee3258 ok

[@CathedralRoofingSK306]

Hey what kind of van you driving?

[@muddinbros4873]

Dodge sum

[@CertitudeHI]

It a Dodge Promaster 2500 this one has like 100k miles on it