'Our Jawans Won't Accept Women Commanding Officers': Lt. Gen. Raj Kadyan to Karan Thapar

[@TheSaltwater]

Only if such discussion happened on Tv during Primetime. Alas we have Rabid dogs barking at primetime.

[@vipultiwari6362]

Absolutely

[@suptaguin3229]

@scorcher man What an idea. Really great.

[@shahuni]

Exactly.

[@00Cupid007]

@scorcher manthe culture you like used burn women in name of sati.it discriminises people in name of caste.you worship stones of genitals.please grow up and disown your own regressive culture or tradition of yours

[@00Cupid007]

@scorcher man ever heard of devdasi

[@debojyotibanerjee2832]

It's a very good conversation We as a society need this kind of conversation.

[@sumitkumar125]

what conversation ?

[@Bharath_007]

Woowww, sharp and crisp questions and answers from both gentleman. 👌👌👌👌👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏

[@helpinghands1122]

He's disagreed yet he has represented his points spot on unlike far right nationalist shifuji

[@tgsaravind]

its been proven that shifu was never a part of the armed forces. he claims to be a follower of Bhagat Singh but is a far right nationalist. how ironic.

[@nikhilchaubey7]

He is chutiya.

[@HiteshP-l7v]

The only reason he got "relevant" in this conversation is because he once marketed himself as a member of the forces (still remember he used to call himself a trainer for "commandos," had photos with maroon beret and when it received flak, he got those parts deleted).

[@DEEPRAWT]

Shifu is a lying turd and a fraud

[@singhroyal23]

It can be implimented in stages and let the jawans get used to it..... humans learn

[@deepakpapnai2299]

This shows as to how you didn't hear the argument correctly. He is completely in favour of women getting a permanent commission. But he has problems with them assuming commanding positions. He is very much correct in the sense that the troops (jawans), who majorly come from rural backgrounds, will not accept a woman as their commanding officers. This is because they aren't used to it. He also gives a solution that change in society should precede in the change in armed forces. The army should not be made a workshop for social engineering.

[@rc2k22]

@@deepakpapnai2299 Correct. Thats perfect. I think idiots in our country will keep echoing gender equality, but when it comes to giving the same to their own ladies in their family, they suddenly become "Sanskari".

[@Bharath_007]

I think u didn't get his point . He said that it can't be possible, but said that don't make army a place for trials since it's a sensitive issue regarding national security

[@NoobMaster-or2jf]

Do it on our own common people first bhai. The women themselves have to adjust to this.

[@sarvangdave3646]

@ Bullshit. Iraq has a female force. One to be fearful of and be reckoned with. If not enough, some countries of ancient Greece even had a special trans force..... Very feared ones too. This BS about women being not strong enough for armed forces needs to end. Teach her to defend herself and her country. You just want her to stay in backyard just by your small assumption of what will happen if she loses. 😒

[@anjanbhattacharyya2290]

It is very easy to discuss in a drawing room but life is not easy in the field. Thanks general.

[@anbee8127]

He was candid and factual which was worth appreciation.

[@HimanshuS-YT]

11:58 Intangible qualities like courage, bravery and commitment are at par or mayenven be more in women - 100% true (Similarly situated) Women are not physically at par with (similarly situated) men - harsh but true. Otherwise in Olympics and other games, the standards of qualification and world records wouldn't have been so different.

[@cobblebrick]

Care to elaborate?

[@singhisking768]

@@cobblebrick Separation of sports in Man and Women Category

[@dopegod987]

@@cobblebrick how difficult it is to understand ?

[@cobblebrick]

@@dopegod987 the first part

[@harnesswinergy9785]

The general is excellent in explaining. My regards

[@carryMinaat]

😅😅😅 and the stupid interviewer was not able to argue like normally he does😮😮😮 😊👍🏻😁😁

[@chahal840]

@@carryMinaatbecause hes not a army guy

[@kurapatichaitanya705]

I am with the general. He is 💯 correct.

[@pradeepKarInd]

When jawans take commands from wives (memsaab) of male officers, then why do you argue that they will refuse to take orders from female officers? just asking.

[@TheHiteshyadav]

Those are not On field commands. That is sycophancy. Still in govt. jobs Male employes are reluctant to get orders from female superiors.

[@cobblebrick]

There is a huge difference between bringing someone a glass of water and obeying an order to charge in the face of certain death.

[@TheHiteshyadav]

@@cobblebrick Exactly unless Jawans feels Officer is superior to them in every sense( which is bloody difficult for a rural guy given his upbringing to accept women as their superior). Only then he can obey him in every command.

[@pradeepKarInd]

@@TheHiteshyadav sir, you are confusing our Indian army jawans with the rss workers who, forget women, but also cannot have dalit/adivasi cadres as their superiors. Our Indian army jawans are a disciplined unit & always ready to perform their official duties without discriminating officers based on gender or caste or religion. Your rational (i.e. jawan feeling officer superior) defies Indian defence force ethics & code of conduct. In that case one can also argue that jawans belonging to general caste will not take orders from officers belonging to dalit/adivasi caste, therefore officers should belong from certain "general" caste only. So, I repeat, Indian army is not Rss workers.

[@TheHiteshyadav]

@@pradeepKarInd But we haved moved much ahead in term of castiesm than gender unequality. A jawan can't put his life in hands of a women unless until he feels she is superior than him in every sense. That is real problem first get society used to it then implement it in army rather than making army a place for social experimentation.

[@parmbirsingh6378]

That's a credible confrontation to the supreme Court judgement.

[@joestein1988]

Well rural society discriminates based on caste too.should we then stop a backward caste from being commander too.A Jawan cannot take orders from the C.O. for which he has taken oath then what's the point of a disciplined force.sure it's going to be difficult for the first gen but they will learn to get over it

[@joestein1988]

@@kunalmandhare3144 that's a better and valid argument.so the armed forces can make women go through the same process as male officers do.if they don't pass that's it .but this whole women go for maternity leave etc excuse doesn't make sense simply because I have seen daughters of slain officers who are ready to go through hell to make their dad proud.give them equal opportunity if they fail it's on them.besides we do not have enough officers .so men aren't lining up as they used to.it should be a food for thought for the army too

[@shirishag75able]

@@kunalmandhare3144 Just because there is no precedent should we close things. You should see Chicago Fire series. www.imdb.com/title/tt2261391/ . Many women have completed ironman challenges where even some of the best men cannot finish. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironman_Triathlon . All the other things are similarly myths being made by the general. If the women are trained then they will be good and better than men. Rani of Jhansi is not just remembered for her bravery but also for cunning. In the battlefield, you need not only bravery or bravado but also tactics. Of course if you are going to put 'culture' and 'tradition' that is the reason why Indian army is the most bloated army in the world. For people wanting to check out how women are in armed forces I would advise to see some of the documentaries at kzbin.info?search_query=women+elite+soldiers&sp=EgIYAg%253D%253D

[@shirishag75able]

@@kunalmandhare3144 please share some studies and facts and links. Are you saying this is all propoganda kzbin.info/aero/PLBRLKmBip433vooJJGaMUVIiwpS7l7BEY . As far IED (Improvised Explosive Device) is concerned I know what it is, please share the studies with authentic data and then we can talk about that. Have you seen this playlist kzbin.info/aero/PLzia1qLN9v2DpGQ6plrq6tj0x42jpo2Kt and read Happymon Jacob's books or even Amit Mukerjee's latest book, ' The Absent Dialogue' . I would like to engage but only after you have presented some data, some links which I can read, see where they are coming from, see the citation etc. Anything without being substantiated by any data is just a belief system. Share the data and we will see how it goes from there.

[@shirishag75able]

@@kunalmandhare3144 first correct your spelling my friend. Mr. Doval is a shady character so I would not like to talk about him. However, I would like to talk about the 11 traitors who were found to be selling our state secrets to Pakistan, why is that not in the mainstream news ? The idea that women cannot read and analyze data using multiple inputs and outputs is as fallacious as it comes. See www.cnas.org/publications/reports/an-update-on-the-status-of-women-in-combat or scholar.harvard.edu/files/jenniferlerner/files/mccarthy_david_-_women_in_combat_a_perspective_from_affective_science.pdf There is also this mwi.usma.edu/women-arent-problem-standards/ . Before going further, please share some data and studies before going further.

[@aniket0048]

Best news channel the wire

[@virendrapandey7820]

Practically, Gen is absolutely correct.

[@brijendrasingh3093]

Women empowerment. Start from 1 to go to 10, not directly from 7.

[@YashKansalx]

Brijendra Singh true The army in SHOULD BE A conservative body It should follow societal change not lead societal change

[@chahal840]

@@YashKansalxanother thing our nation nd people are not a cultural or religious less people ! We are not like usa or west they treat womens like toys ! Hamare liye yehi boht badi chz hai k hum kisi female soldier ko capture dekhein ya kuch bura hota sari country ka moral ka beda gark or down !! Jitna mrzi professionalism ya kuch ho but indians mei se woh emotion or rishte male or female mei jo ek natural bachpan se mind mei hota hai woh kabhi nahi ja skta ! Supreme court mei baithkar order krna easy hai unhone konsa field mei jake face kiya ! Aurr sabse badi cheez war mei kon apni beti sister ko bhejna chahega woh nahi nikal skta indian mind se ! Jruri hai k unko command deni hai army mei aur boht kam hai koi aur cheez k liye female soldiers ka use kiya ja skta hai ! Jabardsti unko bhejna hai border pe ya aisi cheezon mei ! Obviously jitna mrzi banda kehta rahe fark nai aj kal male female yeh natural chz hai insan k andrr k control boht chzon ka nai hota kab woh sb dimag pe chadh jaye pata nai chalta ache ache log fisal jate hai !!

[@SitaYashoda]

A question to Karan Thapar ... What combat do Australian soldiers women or men really face ? India is placed in a dangerous geography and faces very grave threats. ...SO let's not talk about Australia as an example as far as national security and army is concerned.

[@gagan77100]

So you are saying woman cant face danger and combat role?Cmon this land durga and shakti.Isreal have large number of woman officer are they far away from danger?

[@SitaYashoda]

@@gagan77100 the army officer is talking about real issues they face and karan is offering australia as an example ... so the comment. there are real issues with integrating women into the army in frontline combat ... it's not about shakti and durga.

[@gagan77100]

@@SitaYashoda ISIS killers YPJ is all women units of Kurds.All women and Coed units of isreal is practical.

[@ByzantineCapitalManagement]

Israel is a different example since there is a shortage of manpower and the country is surrounded by enemy states.

[@gagan77100]

@Altaf Hussain google YPJ kurds and IDF women.

[@HimanshuSingh-xk9od]

Please spare army, from all this nonsense . Karan Thapar . Else we as a nation will cease to exist

[@ramamathew7686]

So much regressive patriarchal tripe. Farmers suicides are only men, and therefore men are farmers, not women.!Which planet does the esteemed general live on? Women don't commit suicide because they are aware of their responsibilities, and are resilient, no more, no less. When the 'farmer' commits suicide, does his wife follow him? No, she struggles to ensure their children are fed! Which struggle someone opted out of. As far as taking orders is concerned, it's respect, not superiority which is the issue. And the same 'strata' of society has men taking orders from women in all fields. And if it's a question of providing facilities, maybe this should actually force you to look at the conditions in which the army functions in the field, irrespective of gender.

[@ramamathew7686]

Certainly, no one is advocating different standards .. perhaps you are unaware that women do not enjoy reservation in recruitment! Not in any field.. they have been competing on equal terms!

[@anempath24]

@@ramamathew7686 LOL

[@726udayan]

Sounds like Humphrey Appleby in Yes Minister. "Some of my best friends are women....my wife is a woman...."

[@NiraliSherni]

clever allusion!

[@Zankrut]

Harsh realities of routine life of an Army officers and Jawans explained in great detail by highly decorated and experienced Gen. For a common man like me it has opened whole new directions on the particular subject. A knowledge rich 30 minutes....

[@roshanthomas4701]

Great conversation. Gen Kadayan's thoughts are very thoughtful.

[@sushmasharma1555]

General's comment that because soldiers comes from rural background they will not be able to accept orders from a woman because they are not used to it but in rural society caste system is also very strong but army, I believe, rigorously discourages caste prejudice. If one want's to implement something it can be done.

[@accountrd1]

It is an interesting point. Army regiments are based on castes though, jats, rajputs, maratha, gorkha and so on.. Army recognizes that folks from same caste will fight together better as a unit.

[@sudarshan3965]

@@accountrd1 army regiments based on caste names are from pre independence era. Officer or jawans are not admitted to regiments based on their castes. They are randomly alloted Regiments except some particular cases.

[@mverick5444]

@@sudarshan3965 nope. Only officers are all india all caste. For soldiers, Even today, most infantry and armored corps are caste based. Sikh regiment is for Jatt Sikhs and sikh light infantry is for (ironically) dalit Sikhs. I am not joking look it up. Gorkha rifles recruit gorkhas and sometimes from Naga, meghalaya as well. Grenadiers recruits rajputs, Yadav's and jatts

[@sudarshan3965]

@@mverick5444 what about SC/ST

[@mverick5444]

@@sudarshan3965 there's no reservation in army. Army logic is that soldiers of same village and community (caste) live together and have better fighting spirit together. This is true since most soldiers come from rural background where castes live seperately. The army is not interested in social engineering. They just want the best fighting force at whatever cost. There is Mahar regiment which recruited Mahar (SC) community jawans. Today it is all caste regiment. Madras regiment recruits south Indians jawans. Btw this is only for jawans. Officers are all india background. For non fighting corps like signals, engineer etc, all officers and all jawans are also all caste all india. When it comes to infantry and tanks, army doesn't play political games because they are in the business of defeating enemy and not satisfying some feminist chick in AC office. BTW, a little open secret. Most soldiers are dominated by OBC, ST and SC people. There's no official statistics of caste in army but one look at the last names will give you a rough idea. Vegetarian people can't win wars 😃.

[@thethreespikes9737]

Practically this guy is right. We need first change our mindset of society ideologically before implementing it in army

[@MS-Hussain]

Desh me job ki itni dikkat hai ke agar notification nikle bharti Ke liye woman officer ka, mard ling change Kara ke apply kardenge.

[@vegetaandslaine8722]

Hahahaha

[@shazafkhan2024]

Only make such foolish statement....... Go for mudra loan and self employment........

[@vegetaandslaine8722]

@@shazafkhan2024 hmmm Mudra loans se kitna npa bana hai woh check kro!! Doosra self employment ka faida Kya jab consumer strength nahi hai desh mein Consumers ke paas strength nahi hai khareedne ki Daily basic needs ki cheezein nahi bik rhi hai toh self employment kaise chal skta hai Aur mudra loan mein 50000rupee milta hai usme toh pakoda hi bana skte ho Aur doosri baat jitna karz maafi ameeron ka Kiya hai utna agar desh ke asal jaruratmandon ki krte toh jyada faidemand hota!!

[@electr0de]

Fantastic interview. The questions were clear and the answers were very insightful. I truly believe living in an urban society, there is a lot I don't know about the Indian Military. Our army men needs to be respected for the all the horrors they go through to protect our country. Similarly our army women, should also be commended and respected, because despite such socially implied difficulties, they stand their ground. My salute to all of them.

[@cobblebrick]

You are one of the very few sensible people I've had the pleasure of seeing in this comment section. Good day to you!

[@NiraliSherni]

so to summarise, we must all respect the sentiments of soldiers of rural extraction, but the rights and aspirations of women? well, those can wait. indefinitely. because women must continue to have their activities circumscribed by a world created by and for men. indefinitely --- because that is how it is

[@DN-js4uc]

What hes saying is that this will not work in the Army unless society from which the personnel come changes. It will in its current form only hurt the army. And he is right, the level of sheer insulting and psychological torture that one goes through in army training alone will be a deal breaker for most women from the current Indian society.

[@deeptitiwari288]

He says, to look at things from a practical perspective. A woman can't match a man in hand to hand combat,we are fundamentally different! We have different constitutions,accept it or not. And he repeatedly said that! Also you have to respect the soldiers' beliefs and customs. P.S. He brought up a great point though,if women want to be treated equally it should be done at every level and position. No special priveleges and short cuts should be given, they should go through the "grind" as well and "survive" that. Today I don't see women being confined or being caged,they are free wills who have as much of a right as anyone to aspire and succeed but not at the cost of logic. In short, I agree with the Officer. And don't go domineering me! I respect women. Equality is a misused term IMO.

[@NiraliSherni]

I understand very well what the General says and that it reflects social reality; that the military ethos should follow social change and not the other way around. This is always the reason proffered - society is not ready. society is always going to be reluctant to change unless that change is brought about. as someone from the Air Force background, i have seen how the women officers have to try twice as hard to be regarded as equal to the males. this in spite of the fact that they are still expected to be primary caregivers at home. It is a complex issue and I agree that there are no simple solutions but as for the 'special privileges' that are always brought up, we can discontinue those as soon as women are as safe as men in public spaces. to see how very unequal the equation currently is, we just have to look at our public spaces - how poorly women are represented and the essential difference in the way that men and women behave and are expected to behave

[@deeptitiwari288]

@@NiraliSherni Your arguments are very idealistic or rather prejudiced. My mother is a working woman and by no parameters is she expected to be the "primary" caregiver. My father is equally involved. The fact that you make about safety, well the country is progressing and as the General says wait till the change comes in the society and then reflect it upon the army,not the vice-versa. In no way do I mean to demean women but I don't profess equality in situations where men are obviously preferred and superior. There are jobs and career in which women prosper...we don't complain. One more thing, I believe we shouldn't demand respect but command it. You want something go grab it, don't be losers making excuses and blaming the "unfair" society. The society's changing,the social engineering is apparent but we can't lose sight of practicality in the face of so called "equality". Right men for the Right job:Thumb Rule👍

[@NiraliSherni]

Hmm so your ideas are practical, mine are prejudice. Interesting. And you think we have progressed beyond the familial and social expectations of a woman being the primary care giver, you either live in a different society or are being deliberately disingenuous your defensive attitude indicates the latter. Have a good day, it seems quite futile to expect any genuine insight or empathy from someone who insists that women enjoy equality and speaks about male superiority in the same breath

[@ceotag8663]

Absolutely Ruthless Interview by Karan as usual. And equally Rebutted vehemently. Let's not simply copy the West, we have our own Society and Rules. Let's not rule by others'books.

[@sameertripathi1455]

Ya let us not copy the west. We must leave our smartphones and shun the internet and go back to peigons.....

[@ceotag8663]

@@sameertripathi1455 OK. No one stops you. Be their Guest. 😀

[@cobblebrick]

@@sameertripathi1455 I assume it also includes forgetting how to spell?

[@sameertripathi1455]

@@cobblebrick Well i dont agree with the view. I just gave a sarcastic reply to not use mobile phones and youtube if they have a problem with the west.

[@parveshbisht4955]

@@sameertripathi1455 there is difference bw modernization and westernization. We don't need to copy their culture when we have ours. Science is universal and same for all no matter in which country a person live

[@SahilKumar-gn3qy]

I feel his points are logical enough

[@SodiumSyndicate]

Women in the work force is a bad idea. Women in the military is a horrible idea. Women in political power is a suicidal idea.

[@mohaksehgal7478]

He speaks so loud and, damn I mean damn.. I wanna learn to speak like that.

[@prakyathprakash5180]

Probably the Army training, where lower voices is hardly the norm.

[@Maoistcommunist]

On the very first day when we go to a recruitment rally they start the grill and shout at you and that makes you like this officer

[@chanangbilmarak]

Wow! Greatly articulated his concerns and experience. Thank you for your service, sir. And a very civilized conversation, exemplary.

[@shagird6317]

Why blaming Jawans only....the system is not designed for it....the women are not ready for it....are they?

[@namanpunia2729]

Very well put together arguments from Lt. Gen. These points bring out the stark reality of the effect of having women in particular roles in the army. It would be most helpful if Mr. Thapar would not ask the same question again and again in a different way.

[@ThunderLightStrikes]

Initially it may be difficult but people from villages respect women, female IPS officers also give commands to constables who come from villages.

[@sherwinkp]

Rajat Yadav Totally agree. But here,commands refer to on-field commands. The psychology and working of those is completely different.

[@rohitkapur1003]

you are an idiot are trying to match useless police services with army...women w/o active operational experience will command troops who have operational experience.

[@victor256in]

Did you just compare the police and the army??

[@gurkaransingh5403]

I will narrate an incident which is relevant. In ITBP not army, a armed police force, there was a shortage of personal so a section of women was sent to the borders, which resulted in greater shortage as two sections of men were deployed to guard their living quarters at night which were left by officers. What will we do with the women in combat roles when they hold primative thinking?

[@vegetaandslaine8722]

Thode time pe sab adapt krlenge Humans are evergrowing civilization Hume is decision ka support krna chahiye kyunki bhale hi kuch cases mein mahilaon ki nahi Suni jaayegi but time ke saath society evolve kregi Kewal is dar se ki *aisa ho jayega, waisa ho jayega!* Hum agar implementation hi nahi krenge toh Hume kabhi badlne ka mauka nahi milega Hume kabhi grow krne ka mauka nahi milega We will stop to grow as a society!!

[@sunila6539]

Vegeta and Slaine strongly agree

[@Aditya__Mishra]

"Aisa ho jayega waisa ho jayega", nahi kehna hai unka, wo kah rahe the " ye sab alag alag problems women cadet ko face karne padenge" ye kah rahe hai, agar koi women ye sab problem face karne ke liye mentally and psychologically taiyar hai, tab uske wo men ke physically equal aati hai tab wo select ho rahi hai, tab kisi ko koi dikkat nahi hogi. Jaha tak, mujhe nahi lagta koi bhi ladki waise problem face karne ke liye taiyar hai abhi india main. Waise mentally prepare hone ke liye kisi ladki ke pahle society main equality aani padegi. Aur jab ladkiya 【((kuch mamlo main army join karne wale ladke jaise sir ne example diya kya wo blanket share karne ke liye taiyar hai)) 】mentally prepare nahi hai tab unko army join karana kewal physique ke darz par, ye ek experiment se kam nahi hoga aur is cheez ke kai consequences zaroor honge.

[@parveshbisht4955]

Army tumhare experiment karne ke liye nahi hai. Ek galat decision Desh ke security Ko risk pe la Sakta hai

[@BharuRDMessi]

If our jawans wont accept woman commanding officers, then the society needs to be changed without any negotiations on that front. However, the Army is a better version of the nation's society and it must definitely lead the cause, even if it's in the form of baby steps.

[@lemurianinvasiontheory6782]

Army shouldn't be a testing ground for directed societal change. It's purpose is to defend the nation. Irrespective of gender, the army can't afford substandard personnel especially in the leadership roles. In the profession of war fighting, a huge factor is raw physical fitness, which, statistically speaking, women will be at a biological disadvantage. It's fallacious to expect leadership role with subpar physical fitness standards. Barring the physical fitness aspect , women are just as competent, if not more, as men. And most occupations in the army which doesn't require higher standards of physical fitness are already open for leadership roles irrespective of gender.

[@YoY664]

you people are so delusional that reality is far too unpleasant for you lot.

[@RSSodhi946]

Please Don’t say jawans will not except women as commander. It is only officers has ego problem who doubt women .

[@sayedmumtaz248]

U.r very right sir.

[@ShehrozBatt]

You never know Sir.

[@SunilKumar-pv2il]

There can always be a debate but that's what he says. Not to make army as a workshop.

[@sukhjinderbhatyal6252]

I beg to differ Sir, Women have already shown their prowess and leadership qualities in civilian, space, research,sports and uniformed services. And more often than not, been better performer than their contemporary male officers. You had Kiran Bedi who controlled Delhi traffic better than any one else. DIG prisons of Bengaluru jail ..who took on to authorities for extending extra care to politically powerful Shashikala. Former Dean (Major General) of AFMC, Pune. There was no slackness by men working under their commands. How can we forget Mrs. Gandhi...The Iron lady. About farming, Dear General Kadian Sir, there are many rural areas in country where it is women only who do farming and men folk only keep drinking country liquor. It is their resilience that they don't commit suicides despite their odds, unlike men. In fact, men get overawed by their female bosses and most of them fall in line easily. In fact, it is easier for them to command than work at lower levels.

[@asmashareef9680]

this is not about women it is about male ego.. how long should we prove our capabilities. blind men

[@danCK1990]

@@asmashareef9680 the LFT. KHAN said ENFORCED appointments of women with more deserving male candidates being already present is not helping anyone.... 🙄

[@prabhusingh7481]

Let us assume for a moment that it is pure male ego, Can you think of a better counter to each argument put forth by Lt. Gen. Raj Kadyan. He has stated his case based on his personal experiences, let us not be too prejudiced about what he is saying and try to understand his point of view before taking a final stand.

[@utkarshutsav8583]

Libranduu spotted He is just telling to bring changes in army parallel to evolution within the society. If any change is having a slightest possibility of diminishing the efficiency of army it must be repealed.Duty of court is to interpret the Constitution in a statutory way any consequences of its judgment will be solely borne by the army in terms of loss of many brave souls which can't be compensated by any cost. Do remember only if we have a capable army we would be having a supreme court ,Constitution or a democracy.

[@vinaykumaranand723]

@@asmashareef9680 its not about male ego, if u want to give the women higher position, make her PM, defence minister, then even General will follow her order like Indira Gandhi,. But remember Army is not police, police operates to control law and order where women may be deployed to control women like security check of female at metro, airport etc...but in army u need to be physically more strong as u have to combat the enemy, u have to rough & tough, ( women may be eaqul, but they r weak than male counterparts in physical strength, harsh truth that's why even in police there are different physical parameters for men and women) So for comabt position, ur junior should have this much faith that u r more or equal physically capable to give order to them) Yess for women empowerment, u can make women defence minister, PM, president then everyone will follow the order but to be in command position u have to be that much capable

[@Justice_is_due]

There is no timeline when the mindset of rural people will change, is there? Look at untouchabillty which still exist. What happened in nagaur rajasthan, madhya pradesh or in Gujarat where a military person was not allowed to horse ride for baraat. We are 50-100 years behind USA Europe and other developed countries and will remain so.

[@vivekyadav1]

How is untouchability related to gender ?

[@Justice_is_due]

@@vivekyadav1 both have the same Mindset... Backward mindset

[@ashokbobade9257]

@@Justice_is_due and muslims have forward mindset

[@ashokbobade9257]

USA , Europe bombs muslim countries like Syria , Iraq ,libya

[@Justice_is_due]

@@ashokbobade9257 no absolutely not, and that's the problem when i say A is wrong then someone points out what about B. Firstly we Indians don't accept drawbacks and mistakes, we don't accept existence of problems then how can we positively discuss about solutions. Come you and i take a step forward.

[@RamPrasad-tb9sh]

Luckily for the Indian Army, this Jarnail is retired. He represents the past and not the future. His thinking represents the Khap thinking in Haryana. The Army is supposed to work as a disciplined force, but Jarnail Saab wants us to believe that soldiers are a indisciplined rabble who will not take orders from women COs!

[@alphastingray811]

Lmao it's pragmatic . How about reading clinical literature

[@shaikhmujahed]

The Wire ..my favourite news channel...

[@ansukorah5696]

try HW news bro

[@sameertripathi1455]

The quint is also nice

[@ansukorah5696]

@@sameertripathi1455 i agree....do check out HW news editorials by sujit nair..well informed and unbiased

[@sameertripathi1455]

@@ansukorah5696 Yes i know about it. I did not deny that HW news is not nice. I just gave name of one more good news channel. Do watch the quint . Thanks

[@ashokbobade9257]

Because they support mujahideen so

[@sheetalgulia3596]

Quite logical

[@TheRajanCollectibles]

For 30 mins, the same question was framed in 5 different ways and answered. Wire you doing this to us?

[@TheRajanCollectibles]

@sheldon pereira hehe sadly, it dawned on me only after I finished watching the episode that the question was being reframed and asked again.

[@goodkarma782]

It was interesting. there is just one question actually. But I loved how Gen answered it. And the interview covered almost everything. Hope to see more such interviews.

[@BalkarSingh-l2h]

I am fully agreed with the Gen Raj kadyan. Please don't play with the security of the country.

[@pmvidz4262]

Great Reasoning from the Lt. General

[@amritachoudhary6361]

Excellent work by Karan and Wire. Well done

[@dreamysap]

Jawans would be fine. I guess it is officers who are having a problem accepting women. We already have people reporting to women in almost all other jobs - Government, civil services, police, medicine.... Women farmers are plenty. All counterpoints against women should also apply to women in US, China, Israel army but they are doing just fine. This is just a ploy to resist change.

[@cobblebrick]

You guess. Your entire argument is thus invalid

Sexual exploitation is very prominent in us army. Just search it on google.

[@dreamysap]

@ Then the system should be improved and not bar a whole class of people from working

[@nilaxjadav99]

Very deep, thoughtful and in a much broad sense conversation.. thank you!

[@androsanju2526]

No matter what high positions they reach, the thinking of the Jaats is always very conservative and so is of this ex-army officer. He is again and again emphasizing that the jawans have a community living in their villages and getting command from women is not a thing for such communities. He perhaps fails to answer that this particular community living in rural areas is the cause of all the evils in the first place as this so called community is such a narrowed down version of human existence of men belonging to one particular religion and that too of one particular caste residing at one particular place having one particular gotra. This so called community filters out people at so many levels. Why do we need to support thinking of such community living let alone justify their actions.

[@anshulkataria743]

A completely biased opinion that in rural areas women do not farm. Lt. Gen is blind or maybe hasn't seen the rural side of India.

[@kamaldeeppunia9983]

3 questions: 1.wt if a female commander is pragnant nd we want officers in battlefield 2.Due to periods women can't work 4-5 days per month 3.if women officer is raped at battlefield by dushmans

[@albertssj25]

You know men can be raped as well. Also period doesn't stop women from doing stuff. If she is pregnant she won't fight, what if the guy has a disease that rehabilitates him. These are lame excuses, especially when the largest military power in the world USA , does not conform to this silly restriction.

[@kamaldeeppunia9983]

@@albertssj25 periods do affect the work ablity diease is same for both male nd female but army is 14 lakh if only 2 percent get pragnant 28000 will be on maternity leave have u heard about any men raped by dushman army no but women can be raped then nation will blow up so u can compare apple nd oranges these are facts

[@84y87]

Brilliant. One of the best interviews I’ve seen. Kudos to the interviewer (as well as the Lt General)

[@bhaskaranvinod]

So as per the respected General ... because the jawan comes from regressive society...the same regressive attitude should be encouraged in army.... So would he say the same for the caste issue I believe... That a higher caste jawan would not listen to an officer from lower caste?

[@utkarshsingh9399]

The general said don't use army to change the society. First let the society catch up then make the changes in the army.

[@shubhamrawat2817]

@@utkarshsingh9399 I believe a positive change should be welcomed be it coming from anywhere.

[@vaishnavinayak4924]

​@@utkarshsingh9399so you mean the army men are indisciplined enough to think about the gender before their duty to follow the orders?

[@ravimalik283]

I don't usually leave KZbin comments but I'm compelled to do it this time. This interview was sexist and mysoginist. The interviewee pretty much saying that women are inferior to men. I'm shocked to listen such language in 2020. I'm more dissapointed in Karan Thapar for not cross questioning the guy on his mysoginy. He should have stopped him right on the onset that you are making sexist comments and they won't be tollerated. I'm so dissapointed in the Wire for even airing this interview!!

[@shirishag75able]

I am not, at least we know how the general is. Do you remember the aftermath of Nirbhaya's rape and death. How many BJP supporters and leaders showed sympathy to the rapists. Even today, they are trying to figure out how to not get them hanged. The General is cut from the same cloth.

[@urooj09]

This general shows the narrowmindedness in the army. We have to be progressive and demand change. How can we expect this type of men to become good soldiers if they don't consider women to be equal. They will violate women in war. Joining army a woman already knows that she has to do work just as the same as men so why don't give her equal opportunity.

[@desiintrovert6497]

Lt. Gen. Raj Kadyan is spot on Feminism in India

[@nobufrancis685]

Today many young women go overseas for jobs and studies and stay there for years. If these women can take chances why all this hue and cry about joining the armed forces.

[@parveshbisht4955]

You are comparing joining armed forces with studying in abroad? 😑😑😑

[@palchhinyadonkasafar7707]

Agree in toto. This discussion should be telecast in media .

[@satyajitchoudhury1868]

Instead of starting the experiment with something as serious as army, I suggest, we can start with something trivial or less serious, like sports. Lets demand that there shouldn't be separate tournaments for women and let all, either men or women participate in the same league and see how it plays out. If the result of the experiment shows that there are no differences between men and women, we can bring similar changes in army.

[@anuradhatripathi2578]

Non sense, one can argue on anything by stating anything.. why not ask men to give birth ( possible medically) & let's see how many of them can, then we shall go as usual & not have women in army.. countries like Israel, U.S etc have done it long away.. grow up, wake up from slumber of patriarchy & biased thought process.. !!

[@techasylum3542]

@@anuradhatripathi2578 Bullshit. Absolute bullshit. Utter rubbish. If men could biologically deliver a baby, their pain bearing ability would make it easier for them. Women dont have the same ability. Ask Serena Williams to make the worlds best doubles team, irrespective of their sex, im so so sure that she will pick Federer and Nadal. Serena Williams admitted that she cant even touch men's serves. Even the women doing great in physically demanding sports are found to have high or increasing testosterone level in them, making them gain male physical traits. Lets not try to get equal and celebrate differences.

[@cobblebrick]

@@anuradhatripathi2578 Your reply is the textual manifestation of a pile of shit

[@neel9137]

@@anuradhatripathi2578 you said " one can argue on anything by stating anything" and in that same comment you said " countries like Isreal, U.S, etc have done it long away... growup", idiot do you even realise that you did the exact same thing that you are accusing him of doing. Also, I realised you never replied to his logical conclusion, all you did was name calling and insult him.

[@14thegr8]

"Our jawans won't accept women commanding officers.", "The jawans don't even read the constitution."Then, quite frankly, your jawans have more in common with well-trained dogs than with well-educated human beings. How about re-visiting your training methodology and incorporating a lesson or two in science, psychology, philosophy, general critical thinking, and the CONSTITUTION (that they fight to protect) so that you can finally graduate intelligent men, not gun-wielding hillbillies?

[@cobblebrick]

If every Jawan had to go through an officer's course, there would be no jawans left

[@14thegr8]

@Shaurya Joshi Yet here you are, wandering around in the replies section of my comment. What an amazing way of not taking someone seriously!

[@sharadgovind1126]

Thank God we don't have judges with such uncle chhap mentality. India trusts its daughters. We have had women in many a commanding roles. Their commands/orders do get followed. Women are capable to see that they discharge their duties effectively. The system should also see to it instead of being regressive.

[@cobblebrick]

I'd rather prefer a person with an "uncle chhap" mentality than a starry eyed idealist with his head in the clouds

[@MainChoon]

Abbe MC uncle chap ne hi tere jaise Chakkon ko bachaya hai . I mean are you guys even real . BC woke good for nothing Aholes

[@prabhjotsinghsahota1057]

President is the commander in chief. When Pratibha Patil was president did army stop following the command of their Commander in Chief. We need stop the patriarchy mindset and adept to change

[@Asei-zk3vk]

President of India is a nominal head or rubber stamp...

[@InsightOrbit]

@@prabhjotsinghsahota1057 fighting on ground or making statement in drowning room both are deffrent if any war happened than country will pay the price of these blunders

[@SajidKhan-jg8bk]

Jawans take orders,thats all.From women or men,it doesn't matter to them!

[@cobblebrick]

No. Just no.

[@himanshunegi4139]

Have u been in army??

[@dragonwarrior313]

Teach them to respect women...then they will take command from women...

[@prabhusingh7481]

We still have a long way to go as a society, until that happens we can keep talking at great length but only some of it is realistic, relevant and practical today. However, based on your comment it seems like you are halfway there, good for you.

[@vishnunarayan8850]

They defend the country. Let the respect bullshit be within the walls of the country among the civilians under the safety provided by the same soldiers.

[@priyadarshinibasu5578]

As a 21 year old Indian girl, this video is such blow to my morale. With all due respect to the Lt. General, I think he just reiterates all the biases which women have to face on a daily basis. To say that women should not hold commanding positions in the army because the metro still has reserved seats for women is a very weak argument. The reservation for women is necessary because to this date women face harrasment on the streets and in public transport. These reserved seats create a safe space for women to travel. How can this be a justification for not having women COs.! Our military surely doesn't recruit men who harass women. Also, when the subordinates receive orders in the military, is it a question of choice to follow them? Why can't we train our men to follow orders no matter who the officer is! If top level officers do not change their attitute how will the subordinates ever do so?

[@TheHiteshyadav]

Thats the whole argument To train someone from hardcore patriachal backgrounds to accept women in command is bloody difficult. You can force them to obey orders but they will not do it like they mean it.

[@TheHiteshyadav]

I think u misunderstood the whole metro argument . It was just to consider the practical situation. There is large gender gap..first improve situations more in society then try to implement it in army because army's core power is its soldiers who come from very regressive background.

[@shirishag75able]

@hobgoblin1216 yes, but then she will be called a murderer. There have been cases of women who castrated men who tried to rape them, what happened to them ? Were they hailed or were they jailed ? If you want women to go tit for tat, they will do it, but then don't try bringing law and order to things. Similarly, I have shared videos in comments, see those and decide for yourself.

[@debojyotibanerjee2832]

Have you watched the full video?

[@cobblebrick]

@@shirishag75able You COMPLETELY missed the point of his comment

[@msd1378]

True ...sipai men from the hood will never accept a woman as his commander

[@dr_lazy_freak329]

Great sir you explained very well the concerned of army. now we know. I complete support your veiws.. This problem is not against the women or feminest . In fact this idea is in well fare of women

[@namit7314]

I agree with Lt. Gen. Kadyan. The change needs to begin from society and not the armed forces. Otherwise, there'll be high disruptions in carrying out duties...I mean, in a country where patriarchy still runs strong among majority of population.

[@natrajkamboj]

Jawans will definitely accept, only thing is that the senile mindset of senior officers will not accept. Jawans are selected with an aptitude to serve in the armed forces and are trained to be disciplined.

[@prabhusingh7481]

I have no idea how you are able to speak the mindset of all the Jawans. People come from very different spheres of life-based on their socio-economic backgrounds, which shapes their mindset and world-view. Although your argument is a good starting point for an academic debate the ground realities can sometimes be very different from what we imagine from within the confines of our living rooms.

[@sukhjinderbhatyal6252]

@@prabhusingh7481 Not at all from the confines of a cozy room Sir, I am responding from militarily very active zone, where my colleagues are the young lady officers, commanding personnel under them very effectively, amongst all odds. Seeing them roughing out at such places, no one can doubt that they can be good General material.

[@prabhusingh7481]

@@sukhjinderbhatyal6252 if that be the case, then your statements are definitely more credible and I will definitely give it more thought and consideration. Thanks for sharing your views. It helps to have an insiders view on the topic.

[@natrajkamboj]

@@prabhusingh7481 It all depends on their recruitment process aptitude and training. They go through a stringent selection process involving aptitude assessment and rigorous training to create an almost homogenous disciplined armed force, in forces, they are one belonging to one nation, no more no less and are under the defence ministry unlike forces under the home ministry like BSF or CRPF or Assam rifles etc.

[@smartsatyam06]

If you are in army...Or any other national duty...It shouldn't matter whether the officer is woman or man. And as far as rural India is concerned, boys do take orders from their mother or other female elders .

[@jattkisan1485]

THE LAST SECOND SMILE.No elaboration Mr Thapar thanks indeed 😄👍🙏

[@ayoorchethan]

If Jhansi ki Rani did it, so can any other woman

[@abhisheksudann9]

Few odd cases over many centuries

[@Maoistcommunist]

​@@abhisheksudann9she must have had soldiers around her

[@yobropara]

with men jhansi ki rani did not fought alone when more than 80 percent of her army was men and this is not 18th century

[@kingpin9674]

With all due respect to his work, I think he is making arguments to suit the male narrative of dominance in the society. Biological differences do matter and everyone should be given an opportunity to prove their mettle. Based on those performances, the roles can be decided. But by saying that the jawans won't accept women commanding officers, we are pushing the whole narrative even further. Educate them if need be. Period.

[@THUNDERBLADERS]

He said the same thing but he also realises the harsh reality of the Indian society and their mentality but you didn't . Army can't be experimented. Once the society changes everything else will follow up automatically.

[@kingpin9674]

@@THUNDERBLADERS Bro, I understood everything. As a student of Sociology all I can say is that the reality you are talking about is created by people like you and me only. Also, people look upto Army with respect and as an example. Something of this sort can be a good way to help in the trickle down of an idea where women are leaders (in this case at Commanding posts). Having been associated with an Army background personally, I can say that most of the position holders within the army (who happen to be men) are perpetuating these ideas to suit their needs.

[@THUNDERBLADERS]

@@kingpin9674 Being from an Army background myself too brother but I didn't feel like mentioning it. You don't need to be sociology major to understand this. It's about how Army functions. He isn't denying anything about inequality or rights.

[@kingpin9674]

@@THUNDERBLADERS I didn't mention about the army background and sociology just too boast. It was just to give you a context that these arguments have appeared every now and then whenever the supremacy of these rank holders is questioned or compromised. Nobody is saying to give away the posts to a particular gender. But the opportunity should be there (which already exists) but the mindset needs to be conditioned.. At the very onset, I clearly said that I agree with some of his views but the argument that our jawans are not conditioned to accept orders from the female commanding officers is not as simple as he made it look. I hope this is clear to you.

[@navonildasbiswas3721]

each & every second of this conversation makes sense.

[@sourabhsarkar1120]

I'm a Sociologist studying at Delhi University. While the learned man presents a few reasonable arguments, we all must acknowledge that army is an institution to which we all look upto. We all admire their bravery, patriotism, sacrifice and much more. It is only the army of our country that will be able to mould the social structure of our society which is unfair to women at various levels. If army will be led by brave women, a social impact of the same will accelerate social change. Do remember, that women's mass participation in freedom struggle was caused when Azad hind fauj under netaji gave power and responsibilities to women to lead and hunt for freedom. The enlightenment came from then and there. And yes army is a institution which can incite fundamentals for social engineering.

[@sourabhsarkar1120]

@Vibha Thakur no

[@sourabhsarkar1120]

@Vibha Thakur what's the name of the channel?

Beg to disagree here..armed forces cannot be a place of social experiment. Not for ego. need to mention here there are some job profiles which are not at all suited for the feminine gender based on the physical challenges and limits armed forces specially the special ops puts in the candidiates. Often the actual combat situations become too ruthless and unforgiving. For eg. in an actual close combat scenario, an enemy will not think whether the opponent is a male or a female or a transgender. The situation may even turn ghastly( may be the male enemy will try to rape or mutilate the sexual body parts of a female opponent mercilessly) which no one wants. In those close quarters combats, there is no rules for ethics for killing. I hope u understand.

[@sourabhsarkar1120]

@ it's not a social experiment but a social structure which must be set up. And it's not about army, we have been led by female PM and presidents as well. The same structure should be brought within the army too. Secondly, a lot of people are caught by the myth that women have weaker bodies and less capacity to handle heavy material. But let me tell you, this is completely a social myth. Biologically a lot of tests have proved that women have equal strength as men. Lastly, when a women enters the army she is taught that anything and everything can happen to them even rapes. So it will be completely the choice of women whether to go ahead or not. As you said we don't want this to happen to our daughters but do you want that our sons should die in war? No of course not but does this mean that stop sending sons to army.

@@sourabhsarkar1120 time for facts check. This video is related only discussion of inclusion of females to combat armed forces including special operations so no question of relating to any other civil or administrative positions like ministry ias, ips etc. So lets stick to combat armed forces ONLY Most importantly whether its social experiment or structure, when it comes to combat battles, ur every social structure, ethics bla bla goes for a toss. Its ruthless battlefield. No enemy will think whether u r a male female or transgender.It will be nasty, gruesome. So no question of feminism, ethics here.Any other gender apart from male is simply UNSUITABLE for this role. I mean in a real life battle field, an enemy would not think for a second before pouncing and tearing apart ur body whether u r a male or female. A man's mutilated body and a woman's private parts torned off after rape has different impacts. And last and most importantly, who told u men and women have equal physical strength?? I hope u u know dat evoutionary science had clearly made different physical, biological physiological traits very different in 2 genders. Men has testesterone so biologically men has more muscular strength than women having similar body weight height age structure.. this is not a myth buddy ITS A FACT. There are some things which are tailor made for a particular gender. Same reason why tea leaf pluckers are woman. There is no meaning of putting a liberalistic or feminist view point on anything and everything

[@shahrukhali4465]

These discussions are helped to society a lot.🙏

[@rajibsingha1742]

I like karan thapar interviewing style, he got the ans, then also he is asking same thing.

[@sherwinkp]

Its been days since I have seen a civilised debate. Kudos

[@SuperHarryBird]

Ladies must be allowed to command. If jawan say they won't accept command from a lady officer, court marshal them. If civil society is able to take orders from lady superior , army too should do the same. But make no special discounts during selection or promotion, or even when allowing continuation of service.

[@singhisking768]

Why should he we he knows he can physically out match him in combat

[@parveshbisht4955]

And how many jawans you gonna court martial for your bullshit social experiment?

[@vaishnavinayak4924]

Exactly, let the procedure be fair and give women equal chances. But instead of addressing the patriarchal issue of army men not being able to take orders from a woman, he wants women to not be in big positions so it doesn't hurt their patriarchal ego. This also shows the indiscipline of the army who thinks of gender before duty while taking orders.

[@Rudra-rf5cn]

@@vaishnavinayak4924 Are you freaking high on something? Ek toh desh ke jawan hamare liye itna kare, aur unhe tum jaise najayas papa ki pariyo ke woke agendas ko bhi jhelna pade? Womens have biological limitations which limits them in combat, this is basic biology for God's sake!! How much of an illiterate you must be to not know it? Its not about orders only, its about respect and bonding, which during wartimes and combat can be executed perfectly between jawans and their male officers who go through thick and thin together...

[@prithwishbhowmick4827]

Brilliant interview!!

[@sanketkulkarni2390]

Such a narrow thinking instead of modernising army and reducing human efforts ...and coming to society... society should not influence army army should influence society .. if a jawan recieves command from women he will obey orders of women at home

[@rc2k22]

Wonderful Conversation 👍👍

[@obhaisalim]

*Patriarchy needs to leave India for good*

[@munmunhazarika5247]

Bhaijan..... Dowry, hallala, dev dasi, caste system, domestic violence..... Kabhi nahi hoga...

[@obhaisalim]

@@munmunhazarika5247 zaroor hoga! sob hobo!

[@ceotag8663]

You have either a wrong or no understanding of Patriarchy. It's not Patriarchy that's a problem, the Army has its own problems on Fronts and all those were well explained by Former Dy.Chief. Watch again.

[@obhaisalim]

@@ceotag8663 product of the same. Smh

[@ceotag8663]

@@obhaisalim Pseudo Feminist understanding gripped you to say so... You need to think and rationalize more.

[@ashfaqmalik493]

The point is, let the WOMEN decide what they want or don't want to do. Men should stop making decisions for women.

[@MohammadHamza1]

Is it just me, or did Karan went too easy in this one?

[@pradeepKarInd]

When Nirmala Sitaraman was defence minister, the jawans obeyed her commands. When Pratiba Patil was the president of India, the jawans obeyed her commands. The jawans also obeyed commands of Indira Gandhi (former prime minister). Our Indian army jawans are very mature and know how to do their official duty to obey and take commands from officers whether be females or males, and know to keep aside their personal attitude/traditions (of not listening to females) at home. If the jawan refuses to obey an officer (be it male or female) then is it not dereliction of his duty? Sir, you mention one occasion related to a female officer not able to dry her under-garment after washing because of men around. Sir, let me just share my friend's (he was from a "village") experience when under going police training many years ago; where he was made to wash the under-garments of a lady IPS officer by her command. Not just that, also he cleaned her toilet. So do you think all female officers are shy and submissive around male jawans/constables? Give women the power/authority, then they will show you what they are capable of. Respected Lt. Gen., Sir, please do not fire your insecure views over the shoulders of our jawans, rather please treat jawans with dignity and provide good facility to jawans instead of using them to drive officer's kids to school/college or wives to shopping centers. Thanks.

[@anrin2183]

With all due respect to Lt. Gen Kadyan, why can't the army be the flag-bearer of social change? The Indian army is known for its high moral standards and should also assume some social responsibility. If a jawan is exposed to women commanding officers then this will (hopefully) change his mindset towards his own mother, sisters and daughters in the village. So in future, he will encourage his own daughters to join the army and have high aspirations. I agree this cannot happen overnight. But if you put measures in place by exposing jawans to female commanding officers early in their careers, then some of them (if not all) will accept that women officers are trained professionals who can carry out their duties as well as a man. After all, nobody is born a jawan -- if you can systematically teach a jawan how to obey orders from men during training, then you can also teach him to obey orders from women. Unless you present examples of an alternate view to the masses, how can you expect the society to change on its own? If you don't allow qualified women to rise to positions of power (when their male counterparts can) why would they even aspire to be in that profession? Consequently if women don't aspire to join respectable professions, then you are indirectly limiting their choice and reinforcing the role that a patriarchal society prescribes for them.

[@arnavsrivastava458]

Because it’s the army not HR department

[@prasantakumarpadhi4399]

Army is meant to secure the country,not flag bearer of social change.

[@LuikangRobin]

Truth hurts, but it's the fact.

[@sunnyboy288]

One of the few non political non biased interviews of Karan

[@ranj58]

People, including Army, accepted Woman Prime Minister and President in past and followed their order. Then how can you say Jawans will not accept women officer? It is not the Jawans but some male officers whose ego come in between.

[@arindambharadwaz2189]

The president or prime minister is not their immediate commander...

[@user-ck8fx8pc5g]

First of all, so good to see a civil discussion and not people yelling their lungs out at each other. Secondly, I disagree with the statement that women have to go through the same physical treatment ( Not training - but stripping down, not opposing to be seen by a male gynec etc ) as men do. These practices were created by men for men - why force women to follow something that men have created? If your'e willing to accept women can be and should be equal - give them the right to create the rules around how they will be examined.

[@atiyabrehman6740]

Very factual and practical reply by Lt. Gen Changes should be bottom up not top down to maintain the disciple and moral of our force Jai hind

[@christo1804]

With all due respect to the SC judgement, why not at least 33% reservations for women in our Courts, Parliament etc??

[@flyiing_fish]

Yes, if society is ok with general male population flying offshores for work. Talk about equality and talk about reservations,what a dichotomy

[@amittripathi626]

Judiciary is the most arrogant institute

[@hrishabhjaytay166]

🇮🇳Jai Maa Bhaarti🇮🇳 Oh! Boy! Boy! What a topic, what an interview and what great answers...Salutes to Lt. Gen. Raj Kadyan and Karan Thapar.... My take-away from this interview is: "The People of India, our Leaders and our Judiciary must not make Indian Army a laboratory or workshop for Social Engineering or Reengineering" BTW welcome back to Karan Thapar; who used to be one of my favorites. I'm watching Karan after decades. We all know the reason. But, what Karan should realize is that "Our nation and our soldiers must come first and second for all of us, Bhaaratvasis and not TPR". Jai Maa Bhaarti 🇮🇳

[@gentlemenking2973]

Mentality of the society should changed and see who’s the enemy. Do they have any war ethic codes or are simply barbaric:..!!!👽👽

[@nascimentobarreto]

Very insightful and interesting. Kudos to this great interview!

[@smartsatyam06]

If police men can accept women IAS officers who also come from rural background...Then why can't jawan..

[@desiintrovert6497]

Watch T interview carefully.. If U don't understand English... Use audio translator

[@smartsatyam06]

@@desiintrovert6497 I think that comment is not clear to you....I ment the policeman which also come from rural background... Accepts women officers (who can be from anywhere, whether rural or urban). So why can't jawan

[@desiintrovert6497]

@@smartsatyam06 OK... Let me Clear U abt Jawan... Jawan or U can call them normal Soliders... Jawan fights on land generally (lake ya river can be a situation)... Our Jawans are supervised by High Ranking Officers... Jawans can engage in a battle for 1 day or months depend... During war there can be situations which a woman jawan gets uncomfortable with men jawan 1.During cold jawan sleep close to eachother avoiding cold (only blanket is carried in bag)coz they also need to carry guns and ammunition... Cold is lethal smtime's 2.Staying in a small tents with male jawans - female jawan will be uncomfortable 3.Female Jawan can't physically fight enemy country jawans ( Man R generally stronger) A single Jawan can take down 5 police officers if engaged in physical fights IAS officers - 10 Officers 4.They are trained in brutal manner to withstand harsh conditions in battlefield 5.Medical checkup needs Jawan to get naked (Gynaecologist generally are male) 6. Complains of female assuming male jawan hving wrong intentions can rise and create unfavorable situations 7. Married Female jawan can get attracted to other male jawan 8. Generally Jawans R from Rural Areas, they will hv ego probs with female supervisor 9.India still remains a traditional minded country in 21st century 10.Army doesn't give any luxury to Jawans in war... Optimum Utilisation of resources 11.Female Jawans will be hurdle for male jawans as weakling drags t team 12.War against Pak/China Soliders chances of rape on female jawans will be high... Later after rape they can also fetch the internal organs out of female jawan Many other reasons... Everything can't be posted to social platforms... But I guess now U know well IAS Officers hv separate Office to work (privacy maintained) Normal Police women hv shifts, Navy have cabinets in ships and Air Force has separate rooms for females

[@smartsatyam06]

@@desiintrovert6497 look SC judgement is not about women being selected as jawans . But its for them to become OFFICERS and points u mentioned are for jawan. Officers have special privileges. As far as you are on national duty, commanding officer's gender shouldn't have mattered. You have to overcome your ego problem. US army sends women personnel to afghanistan and other difficult terrain. It's just how you see. Even indian paramilitary commandos have female soldiers. This is a big step in changing the mindset of men and gender equality. Once they come under capable female commander, their mindset will also change

[@desiintrovert6497]

@@smartsatyam06 Think before replying... US, Germany or Australia are all developed country with per capita way higher than average Indian.. Standard of living of developed nations is way higher than of India... Rural Jawans are not tht educated + their women (mother or wife) tends to stay inside T house carrying household activities only.... Root problem is from t childhood they see women working inside t house generally.... Now U put such Jawans under Female Officer command...compare with other factors around them... US male jawan is used to seeing women working outside t house as well as inside t house... Change T mindset of people within T country 1st... Army is no social experiment ground... Being a high ranking offical in Army is not easy (procedures are involved)... Supreme court should not mess with Army recruitment procedures... A female should also go with t tedious procedures that a male offical face (mind U failure is part of life)... Supreme Court lacks sense in deciding for Indian Army... Army knows better about their procedures, environment, war, treatment, difficulties, etc... Indian Army high ranking Officer vote should be taken by Supreme Court as a result... Supreme Court is in no position to decide for Army.. A high ranking officer in this interview have already said NO

[@spandanav22]

I will concede that all defence personnel should be subjected to the same physical standards. But beyond that you know you are talking to a chauvinist when they begin their argument right away with "I respect women. My are female. But...." It is not the fault of women army officers aspiring for command positions that their sub-ordinates have fragile insecure masculinities. Lt. Gen. Kadyan brings up mutilating of captured officers' bodies (genitals in particular). I would be touched by his sentiment if weren't for two things. 1. Why is it specific to women officers and not men. It is horrendous to imagine anyone under such circumstances, and male officers are recruited without batting an eyelid. 2. His solidarity towards women does not necessarily come from a position of genuine compassion, but from the patriarchal construct of 'honour'. I completely agree with Justice Chandrachud's dismissal of this line of argument as chauvinistic. We should be concerned with the well being of any soldier, not just women, and definitely not in the context of so called honour. These women and men volunteered for a dangerous profession and the idea just anybody's honour resides in their genitals needs to just go away. The argument that " is a laboratory for social experimentation" is so old, it should have been extinct by now. I will let a 20 year old scene from my favourite show answer that. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZu6gJSjoalslZo I hope Karan Thapar's next interview with Gen. V. P. Malik provides a valid counter argument.

[@ChaudryShehryarYounis]

Brilliant analysis 👏

[@naveenthomas6873]

Women need to be included more in the police and internal security units before jump starting them into the army....

[@AmitDas-wp4vp]

Can you even run 100m kid?

[@vaishnavinayak4924]

Well that's on women to decide if they want to join the army or police not you. No one should decide on their behalf if they are fit for the army or not, the army has its own procedure and training for deciding that.