OUR REACTION RESPONSE TO THE "HIP HOP DNA" DOCUMENTARY

Our Response to the "Hip Hop DNA breaking down caribbean impact on the culture" documentary

[@propane718]

I am a so called latin and i wasnt there in the beginning...hip hop is a black american creation..point blank period..yes other carribeans influenced it heavily at times but its black american point blank period..dudes like whipper whip and dougie fresh had to hide theyre roots at first as well as plenty of others

[@mack2629]

EXACTLY 💯 !!!!!! PERIOD POINT BLANK .

[@raymonbristol9628]

That’s not true at all . Prince Whipper Whip had plenty of verses embracing his heritage . He even rapped Bilingual

[@propane718]

@@raymonbristol9628 i heard him in an interview say at first he had to hide it for fear of rejection

[@raymonbristol9628]

@@propane718 never heard that one . Plus if he hid it still doesnt mean he allowed hip hop to have Jamaican influences

[@propane718]

@@raymonbristol9628 check that book "yes yes yall"...i think thats where i got it from..great book

[@yz9394]

Y’all goin back and forth in the comments while the people that was there is telling you they ain’t know nothing bout no Caribbean music and that hip-hop inspiration came from James brown lol

[@marvl6472]

Also the raggae came from Gladys Knights, Temptations....let the Jamaicans who were credited with all of this state it themselves...again.

[@blackpalacemusic]

James Brown was playing on the radio, does that make radio DJs hip hop?

[@muckmuckthageneral2691]

Much respect to our Jamaican brothers and sisters, they had an impact on Hip Hop, but they did not create Hip Hop, point blank period, kill the lies.

[@TheCulture..Starts1971]

balle733 with all due respect to you...you might be correct , these videos may not say "CARIBBEANS CREATED HIP HOP"... however we not gonna sit here and watch people use word semantics...if a so called "holy trinity of hip hop" is being promoted all over the world then someone says this hip hop trinity consist of 3 "west indians"....then, YES THEY ARE INDIRECTLY SAYING WEST INDIANS CREATED HIP HOP ...later on someone in another video says "there would be NO HIP HOP if it wasn't for caribbeans and that we wouldn't have the WHOLE HIP HOP CULTURE if it was not for caribbens...again yes they are indirectly saying creation....yes they are implying creation... they are being real subtle about it...kind of sneaky about it...but again we are not here to to watch people play word semantics with something we love and get away with it.

[@geegod9461]

No doubt its foundations came from carribean bkground kids born in the usa from migrant parentage of the islanders nu settlers of that time. America was not or ever known to have a deejay sound system background, speakers, turntables, mics, amps n building boxes, woofers, bass bins from wardrobe doors etc. These r from jamaican n carribean past times, parties on the beach frontturned to block parties n park events. America was known for bands, live revues, sweaty rhythmn n blues functions in some chicken shack youd see on a marvin gaye poster. Then carribean kids realised this reggae sound or calypso did not wrk in the usa, the accent had to change, the music had too change to fit there new surroundings, so rather than toasting the jamaican term of lyrical skillz on the mic in a reggae or rocksready style deejays like iroy/dillinger, yellowman would perform at parties had to go, put on a disco beat, mic in the accent and ifluences of there nu american environment then you got rap!!.reggae deejays never had the two turntable mastered but scratching vinyls earliest way to perform was to haul and pull your riddim, and the emcee woul ride pon the riddim track. This is the birth of the turntablist and the hip hop emcee in its earliest form, only to be transformed to the modern generation to create hip hop

[@bodyworkandptbykraig7609]

gee god Lol! You seriously said, "That its foundations came from Carribean born kids born in the US...." Thats a lopsided and false statement. I think your reaching for too much with all do respect family. DJ's, turntables, speakers, people talking on the mic or people rhyming or reciting poetry and talking "jive" or "rapping" didnt begin in the 70's in America. People have been doing that in America way before the 70's. The style of Jamaican "chanting", the power of the dj, speaker power and set up yes. Jamaican influenced! [As the AA in the video admitted to]. To say the foundations came from kids from Carribean and just leave it there? smh.

[@geegod9461]

No doubt bredrin, yr earl7est pioneersvof the game from herc if jamaica bk ground, to grnd maste flash of barbaydos parentage, and many others to tha rican hispanics which is the spanish spking islands smehw could relate to 1 another, possibly as fellow islanders and as fresh settlers coming in to this american dream garb thats been going around. Westindians came with a more assertive nuthing to lose atitude as new arrivals in comparison to its afri american counterparts. Always looking 5 diff jobs to earn off, ready to venture and hustle what they can out of nothing, garvey mosiah marcus came frm jamaica to america and did not stand still or complain like mst afr american residential locals wld, garvey had a vision and created a movement, shipping, importing, trading, blk awareness, educating and organise. Malcom x was no different, hailing from grenada island to contribute his mission for the n.o.i. Louis farrakhan too cming frm jamaica as a calypsonian strugglin musician. All props due shld be given to the island ppl contributions, and embrace them as yr fellow bllk bretherin for a beautiful game of creativity

[@edgardosoto4193]

Muckmuck Thageneral no just one race created HipHop..all off us that where in the poor areas of New York from the 60s to the 80s created HipHop..si.please stop trying to give the merit to just one race.

[@StylistecS]

“Snappin is an element of hip hop” To those that don’t know. Look up the dozens. That culture which is strictly black American spread to music and comedy. This snappin made Caribbean’s and even African immigrant kids upset because they couldn’t snap back which is why many hold the name calling against black Americans.

[@mlungisiwright]

Sorry but that's false. They have snapping or dozens in Africa. They have forms of chanting that are not quite talking nor singing in Africa. I would not call it exactly "rapping" but maybe we could call it proto-rap.

[@StylistecS]

@Jacklyn Everage exactly. You have Africans and West Indians traumatized because of what we did in school. They feel some type of way still to this day.

[@maxwellbrisk5622]

Snappin evolved into Battle Rap

[@blackpalacemusic]

"Snapping" is called "Picong" in Trinidad. *Extempo* existed long before battle rap. Caribbean artists were having lyrical battles, on stage, in New York in the 1950s.

[@StylistecS]

@@blackpalacemusic snapping or doing the dozens goes back to the 30s and 40s here in America. This led to battle rap. Whatever Trinidad was doing didn’t inspire battle rapping.

[@djkaneck1]

You see Herc even copied the originator himself Disco King Mario style and dress.

[@donmac6712]

Copying equipment is normal when you see and hear someone with a great system. Thats been going on since the greats sabastian sound system.

[@stanleyshack26]

@@donmac6712 Thanks for that can you tell me more about Mario technique on the turntables was he break beat going back on forth with the record like also Grandmaster DJ Flowers too

[@samadams9530]

Its a shame people don't want us to have nothing wow

[@kooldjphase]

youtube.com/@kooldjphase?si=9gm-8yZSF1An3pRx

[@garlandowls1134]

1. The term "Hip-Hop" & "Rap" was conied by Black Americans. 2. Hip-Hop DJ's were heavily influenced Disco DJ's and Disco music. 3. There's no Reggae music in early hip-hop music. 4. Boom Bap was created by Black Americans. 5. Darryl McCray, known by his tagging name, "Cornbread", is a graffiti artist from Philadelphia, credited with being the first modern graffiti artist. 6. Pete DJ Jones use two copies of the same record and extended the break BEFORE DJ Kool Herc. 7. Dapper Dan is the godfather of Hip-Hop fashion. 8. Jamaican toasting was heavily influenced by Black American radio disc jockeys and jive talks. Jocko Henderon influence on Jamaican toasters. 9. Toasting or rhyming already existed within Black American culture before the influx of Caribbean immigrants. 10. The first Hip-Hop songs & Hip-Hop record labels was created by Black Americans.

[@elevatedgoddess3917]

All facts!!

[@djpioneer937]

HolyRollerTV the overwhelming majority of classic breaks came from funk disco and r&b. Black Americans didn’t know shit about reggae in the 70s. We didnt even fuck with bob Marley until I shot the sherif came out. All Caribbean’s, just like Africans, was getting teased by us, for the way they spoke, looked, and dressed. Unfortunately we’re ignorant about our brethren, but it is the truth . Jamaicans wasn’t in a position to influence hip hop at that time.

[@bodyworkandptbykraig7609]

Excellent points. I don't know about the Philidelphia DJ, but it's just a little funny that people could be so unaware of the history of rhyming, jive talking etc that is so ubiquitous among AA's and speak with so much assurance and they were just born in late 60's, 70', 80's and 90's...smh

[@sreyna3000]

Garland Owls11 question for you becouse you seem to know what your taking about. 1, weren’t there as many Latin kids in the Bronx such as with the early street gangs as the Getto brothers and savage skulls and many others .?.. 2nd ..how much influence do you think Soul Train had on the youth of the south Bronx b boys dancing ?

[@ericsnow2069]

@Garland Owls11-- 11. Caribbean immigrants left an undeniable dent in this African American artform.

[@aamrakamran7275]

Hip hop is Ados.

[@kas3583]

Man I love this video 😂😂😂😂. Thank you for setting the record straight!!

[@718xad]

I remember those snaps,lol The flood is over,the land is dry,why do you where your pants so high?!?LMAO...Tell it homie.

[@jonathankidd7215]

Hiphop is created on the one and that was created by funk and funk was James Brown and he was ADOS

[@swanm3ta850]

Anyone who uses "ADOS" is cringe. The most self defeating/self hate/lack of knowledge shit anyone could call themselves. It is damn near equivalent to "negro," maybe worse.

[@marvl6472]

Notice they dont like to mention Coke La Roc..who was asked "Are you Caribbean" he said "no"..check his interview he does mention Kool Herc but it wasnt JUST HERC. ..also there are several videos of Caribbean's who were credited with starting all of this stating where they got this R&B ,Hip Hop from...These Diaspora clowns need to cut it out.

[@StylistecS]

@@swanm3ta850 fine. We can just say Black Americans or simply Americans. Better?

[@StylistecS]

@@marvl6472 the only person they can name is Herc. They sometimes bring in Bam and Flash but they don’t realize they came after the fact. Flash wasn’t even the first grandmaster.

[@Sneakycat1971]

Much respect to Pigmeat. Pigmeat took scat to a new level and set the tone for hip hop. Pigmeat is the grandfather of rap and that is that

[@QueenAnitaSoul]

Jock James There were many along with Pigmeat Markham In the first real Black Comedian who was even before him was Moms Mabley

[@bodyworkandptbykraig7609]

@@QueenAnitaSoul He's talking about rhyming. Pig Meat was a comedian who rhymed tight.

[@gullybop1695]

Yeah Pigmeat was a rapper. No doubt

[@stanleyshack26]

You are right the rapp song here come the judge. The beginning of the songs drums start the rapp.

[@gordonmckenzie2920]

Caribbean ppl in their new homeland, NYC specifically adjusted...and bc of their love of music and sound systems, got involved in the NYC music (DJ) scene....Influenced by hip hop, Caribbean ppl did not create it. Even me, I came here in 1979 from Jamaica and by 1980 I was doing mobile gigs playing Reggae, Soca, Soul, Disco Classics and House.

[@TheCulture..Starts1971]

Gordon Mckenzie ... right ok cool

[@gordonmckenzie2920]

@@TheCulture..Starts1971 I was part of DJs on rotation at The Latin Quarter in the 80s...On Fridays it was afterwork Reggae and Dancehall from about 5:30pm to 11pm...then the hip hop sessions started after.....

[@NextLevelENT718]

A log time coming ✊🏾 Can’t wait to here more love it brother!

[@robertstevenson6715]

Watched most of your videos now Mike ..well done nice to hear the real story of Hip Hop :-)

[@TheCulture..Starts1971]

thank you

[@garlandowls1134]

Where's the reggae influence on early hip-hop music? All I hear is funk, soul, and disco samples.

[@enosger]

Garland Owls11 it’s not the that it came from the music it came from the way reggae dancehall was created by using reggae breaks that they call version way back in the 60s, these guys state that they started it in 71, which means dancehall came before hip hop, look it up you find old 60s dancehall breaks with Jamaicans rapping on them, what herc did was use the same style of djing but played funk instead of reggae and had Americans rap over the breaks.

[@StylistecS]

@@enosger The problem with that is the actual hip hop or similar versions of it was being done well before the 70s and 60s.

[@americasmaker]

@@enosger Reggae, SKA, toasting, and Dancehall were all influenced by African American music though.

[@sioul8485]

@@americasmaker naw it mainly INFLUENCED ska. Reggae was a different creation

[@americasmaker]

@@sioul8485 You can look it up for yourself that Reggae was simply Jamaicans take on Soul music.

[@heruapocalypse2021]

I'm glad These Brothas came out with The Pre-History of Hip-Hop.

[@thevelointhevale1132]

The difference between Jamaican music and African American music is Jamaican is all about BASS and African American is about DRUM ... you're welcome.

[@americasmaker]

African American music is waaaaay too diverse to pigeonhole in any form.

[@jerseydevils9686]

@@americasmaker Exactly. Now Funk, specifically, was about the drum and the bass. The father of modern bass is a Black American bass player

[@joshuagibson1515]

@@jerseydevils9686 James Jamerson of Motown?? that bassist? cause he was EXTREMELY INFLUENTIAL

[@jerseydevils9686]

@@joshuagibson1515 Thats him

[@craftzman93]

That's a dumb comment...Everyone knows the Drum is w.African...the Bass fascination is Jamaican but the Drum is from the Gold coast...who are closely related to Jamaicans

[@freespirit9652]

THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO BROTHER!!!🤜🏽✊🏽🤛🏽

[@fisk50]

Check the back ground of these People.. first.... they hide their back ground in fear of being disrespected.. so they fitted in...... do the knowledge

[@miles__fm]

American culture is caribbean influenced

[@matthewharris2092]

@@miles__fm When you say American what do you mean? There are many different races of people in America. If mean AfroAmerican culture you are crazy as cat shit. You people need to stop all that coconut superiority BS. You did not build America or contribute to it's overall growth and development.

[@miles__fm]

@@matthewharris2092African Americans talk about racism from white people when lots of them are racist to African and Caribbean people as well! It's a typical American mentality where Americans think they are more important than any other country, even though lots of the things in America come from other countries There is snappin, AIDS jokes, 'go get coconuts' and all of these racist things to Africans and Caribbean people from AAs, because they think they are higher/more powerful. Fact is Caribbean culture has contributed to AA culture and AA culture is very African there is a lot of caribbean influence in African American culture I will tell you

[@miles__fm]

@Jacklyn Everage what claims you want me to prove ?

[@miles__fm]

@Jacklyn Everage live clave music, calypso and joropo in new orleans

[@jermainelong1843]

Ha ha ha!! "You dom fuel." That should be "dyam fool." LOL!!

[@chuckanthanio]

I was young, I lived in Highbrige and Morris Heights area in the Bronx. Herc was the originator of the Get Down. That is playing the break beat of the song. He played Yellowman, which we heard toasting. Mario, Hollywood, Flash, Theodore, Charlie Chase, Bambaataa and other DJs throughout NYC contributed to give Hip Hop its name and created a culture. The DJs played soul, rock, dancehall, latin, jazz, etc. I would spend hours listening to music just to find the Get Down. If I like it, I would buy two and taught myself to beat match, loop, quick mix, and scratch. Jamaican influenced hip hop but they are not the creators.

[@laudlevels9460]

no influence, they just started incorporating that shit later on

[@BIGGLIZZ522]

Coke la rock & other OG black Americans said they never heard of toasting, & toasting came from jive talk

[@BIGGLIZZ522]

And somebody said cool herc didn’t play break music but I forgot who it was

[@RaedawnPhoenix]

these important facts need to be known!!

[@Khultan]

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU. : )

[@americasmaker]

This information needs to be pushed into the mainstream big time. I'm sick of these Rican's and Jamaicans claiming Hip Hop. Some even claim African Americans had nothing to do with it

[@americasmaker]

@@HolyRollerTVBig band Jazz and Funk artists dickhead, that's who. Hip Hop is African American music that is built from other African American genres.

[@StylistecS]

@@HolyRollerTV how is reggae an influence on hip hop when hip hop existed before reggae? Nobody in America was listening or fucking with reggae or any Jamaican music like that. It is absolutely a fact that the vast majority of what we know of as h hip hop came from not only Black American music but Black American culture to which includes Jive Talking and the Dozens. What it is, is that you know very little about Black Americans.

[@Meta4ce]

@@StylistecS man that "holyroller" dude is a black brit, he's just trying to legitimize himself....they stay in these threads trolling, and the younger ones say they invented the "drill" rap subgenre after taking it from detroit. These people are SUPER WEIRD.

[@americasmaker]

@@miles__fm One big titangraph full of erroneous myths.

[@americasmaker]

@@miles__fm This is the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard of in my life. Jazz is the same Blues that can be found all over the southeast United States. The difference is the addition of brass instruments aka marching bands which were all over the southeast United States as well at HBCUs. The man that created Jazz was a transplant from Virginia. Jazz qnd New Orleans have nothing to do with the caribbean.

[@gaffle-411]

6:57... wow that “last night” ringtone! Where can I find that?

[@DontGetMadGetMoney]

Refreshing to hear from Foundational Black Americans from NY

[@kenkenichi7461]

I didn't even know there were actual Black Americans in NYC I lived there from 04 to 2020 and never met a single one unless they came from another city but I never believed there were native Foundational Black Americans from NYC.

[@Timewarp3000bc]

@@kenkenichi7461 what

[@freespirit9652]

Amen!!!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@malikbey5522]

​@@kenkenichi7461 We here lol

[@malikbey5522]

We here just been doing our thing because we are the true creators and moving back to the south because in NY shit got slow and crazy and not fun anymore they can have it . So south open up I'm coming Home to my roots where all this came from !

[@SomyDance]

I can name you some afro american dj's who used to talk and rhymming over records in 1940's to 1960's : Al Benson (began in 1943 Chicago,WGES), William T. Hoss Allen (began in 1948 in Gallatin WHIN), Al Jefferson (began in 1952 in Atlantic City, the new fellow show), Eddy Castelberry (began in 1950 in Birmingham, WEDR), Eddie and Peggy Mitchell, Lucky Cordell, Jack Gibson aka Jocker Jack aka Jack the Rapper (began in 1945 in Atlanta), George Woods, Edddy O'Jay, Joltin "Joe" Howard, Cecilia Violenes (New York 1950's), Dr Jive Smalls (New York) ...and so and so... Some african american radios were broadcasted in Jamaïca at that time, that's where they first heard about african american toast, jive talk and then they did it in their way.

[@enosger]

Somy King yeah and my kindergarten teacher used to sing nursery rhymes does that make her hi hop, these guys your talking about weren’t, who ever coined the phrase hip hop started hip hop.

[@shugavery6821]

@@HolyRollerTV No, it's just difficult for you to understand simple things rapping started in the southern United States but became monetized in New York. This is from 1950: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6O3foN9hNR0nLs

[@TheGuest954]

Clement Dodd the guy the guy Jamaicans credited with starting toasting and dj'ing admitted he learned all of it in the 50s when he came to America as a laborer. American dj's is where he got it from. He said he was sending American records back to Jamaica for them to learn and copy from.

[@laudlevels9460]

False , they go it from us

[@TheGuest954]

@@laudlevels9460 I agree if you mean Jamaicans got it from Americans. FBA'S never followed anything in the Caribbean musically speaking but they've always followed us. Every genre they created except Mento was based on FBA r & b/soul, jazz, funk, blues, Rock, doo wop and bee bop.

[@laudlevels9460]

@@TheGuest954 we are the fathers of reggae and dancehall most of yall dont know yall hisory

[@TheGuest954]

@@laudlevels9460 We know our history far better than y'all know your own. What then does it say about your people when by your people's own admission they copied our culture to create your own? That's right Ska, Reggae and Rock Steady were all created by copying our r & b, blues and jazz. It's why our culture is far more dominant than yours globally. It's why you only truly have one international star.

[@abxtale]

Hip hop had many influences. You had DJn in general which was the very 1st element, the spoken word community such as the last poets, the Jazz or Bebop culture, Jamaican toasting w/ the massive sound system, Radio personalities like Franky Crocker, The formation of the Disco culture which was simontanious with the B-boy culture, street dancing such as uprocking and B-boying, and believe it or not, rock n roll. Hip Hop had many influences.

[@Meta4ce]

No, there is no "jamaican toasting' or "massive sound systems"...nobody's bringing speakers from jamaica on a ship or airplane, fam. Just quit. ROck and Roll is black american, too....there is no jamaican. GIVE IT A REST BRO.

[@Mr.Taylor56]

Bingo! Yeah, you said you was going to do this topic, thank you! I had some flashbacks during this video of when I used to get snapped on either wearing bummy or oversized clothes that was hand me downs or for running(repeat wearing) my clothes in the same week lol But I used to give as good as I got until I ran out of words and just throw hands! Win or lose, you gots to pay dues. Jamaican kids were docile back in the 70s because they had it easy, and the ones I knew then, lived in a nice private house, had a car, a yard, both parents who worked. With all due respect, the kids were cool to a large degree but, in order to be your friend, they HAD TO GET a ghetto makeover to be down. Hispanics were more down because they were in the community facing the same poverty, crime and hostilities that Blacks faced. Puerto Ricans in the 70s were out there crowding up Welfare offices and PROTESTING THE GOVERNMENT FOR EQUAL RIGHTS, JUSTICE, REFORMS AND SERVICES! The late 60s-early 70s was no joke! From a media standpoint of relevance, there are tons of news specials, movies and books all about the Black & PR living experience during that time.

[@truthteller2643]

Hispanic was not down with shit. FOH. You must be PR. LMAO Until this day there is no Puerto Rican who did anything in hip hop worth mentioning. A Jamaican by the name of Marcus Garvey started the civil rights movement back int the 1920's. So no Jamaican= no Malcolm X or King since they were influenced by Garvey as well. No Jamaican= no Biggie,Busta, slick rick, kool herc,heavy d etc.

[@QueenAnitaSoul]

truthteller That's a lie they was not just influenced by no damn Marcus Garvey the first civil rights activist used to help escaped slaves do your research long before Marcus Garvey

[@glokid6318]

truthteller Marcus Garvy was influenced by an Afro-American by the name of Booker T Washington. That’s where he got his views on Economics from. He also was influenced by numerous other Afro-American cilvil rights activists through out his life so at the end of the day the views Garvy had mostly came from black Americans that he learned from.

[@kikiminaj9328]

I need people in the comments to use their brain and realize it happened simultaneously . . . When People from the islands migrated here in the 60s that’s when they came to America and saw the same thing happening. We then literally helped each other and until this day we still profit off one another. . . Biggie is literally Jamaican, Lil Kim is Trinidadian . . . I can name a list of Caribbean rappers that y’all probably didn’t even know . . .

[@trayquanwilliams9991]

And they hide until years later.. Rep your country lol

[@laudlevels9460]

Lil Kim is american

[@kikiminaj9328]

@@laudlevels9460 she’s of Trinidadian descent stop acting SLOW look it up DUMMY !

[@showmestatefinest5412]

All Caribbean rappers were influenced by black American culture. If Caribbeans created it then why wasn't there any hip hop culture in the Caribbean Islands

[@bxdale83]

I wasn't around to witness the beginning of Hip Hop but like most I believed the West Indian narrative until we had a chat on Facebook (don't know if you remember) about this and then I saw that west indians tried to revise history. Thanks for these videos

[@TheCulture..Starts1971]

balle733 with all due respect to you...you might be correct , these videos may not say "CARIBBEANS CREATED HIP HOP"... however we not gonna sit here and watch people use word semantics...if a so called "holy trinity of hip hop" is being promoted all over the world then someone says this hip hop trinity consist of 3 "west indians"....then, YES THEY ARE INDIRECTLY SAYING WEST INDIANS CREATED HIP HOP ...later on someone in another video says "there would be NO HIP HOP if it wasn't for caribbeans and that we wouldn't have the WHOLE HIP HOP CULTURE if it was not for caribbens...again yes they are indirectly saying creation....yes they are implying creation... they are being real subtle about it...kind of sneaky about it...but again we are not here to to watch people play word semantics with something we love and get away with it...

[@QueenAnitaSoul]

balle733 that's not true people are telling facts it has nothing to do with jealousy it's bad enough to white men don't want us to know about history but we got people ln the industry trying to lie about the history and I represent Disco King Mario

[@enosger]

Michael Waynetv if African Americans have a problem with someone of West Indian being known as a founding father, why not go out and promote what your so called pioneers did, no one says hip hop is not American, just the pioneers have Caribbean roots but I’m sure they consider themselves American, so what’s the problem, sounds like xenophobia to me, African Americans need to realise they are constantly making themselves look like haters to the rest of the world.

[@StylistecS]

@@enosger because West Indians are saying they created what we know of today as hip hop and we are showing that this isn't true. Has nothing to do with xenophobia. That's like Black Americans saying they created calypso and reggae. We didn't. Most of the what we know of today as hip hop was created from Black Americans using older Black American music and Black American culture. These are facts. Did some from the Caribbean have influence? Sure. But did they create hip hop? Not in the slightest.

[@Khultan]

PLEASE, PLEASE, WRITE A BOOK ON THIS I WILL BUY TWO COPIES.

[@TheCulture..Starts1971]

right good idea .. hopefully in the future

[@Khultan]

@@TheCulture..Starts1971 Remember, I will buy TWO COPIES, YOU GOTTA TELL THESE EXPERIENCES FROM YOUR VIEWPOINT BECAUSE YOU LIVED IN IT.

[@Khultan]

@@TheCulture..Starts1971 PLEASE, DON'T DIE.

[@Khultan]

Doug E. Fresh, Fat Joe should both keep silent.

[@QueenAnitaSoul]

American Born Patriot. Fat Joe and them don't know what the hell they talkin about cuz I never seen them at a Disco King Mario Jam He probably had a curfew

[@MrKnowyaself]

I was not there back in 70-74 but I can tell you that it could be an interesting thing to see all this people in a dj Charlie Chase block party back in the days dancing to a salsa sampled beat and thinking at the same time that it was an all african american hip hop thing.

[@illcrewuniversal1332]

excellent vid. you are peeling back the veil.

[@shamika5300]

carribean people lying about hip hop

[@kgbmg9318]

@@Teasnu10 fuck you mean 😴

[@miles__fm]

@@Teasnu10 have some respect

[@donellbra3000]

WE GOT TO STOP OURSELVES AFRICAN WE ARE NOT AFRICAN1! WE ARE THE AMERICAN INDIANS! THE FIRST HERE IN THE AMERICAS

[@laudlevels9460]

preach

[@warhologram9013]

truth from the SOURCE...(not the magazine)

[@MizTheDonGargon]

"we'd of been throwing rocks at em!" 😂😂😂

[@prophecyjackson184]

Last poets was rapping way before stop that Jamaican shiit

[@koolkeithultra1715]

Didn't herc use his fathers equipment first?

[@shamika5300]

hip hop came out in the 70s if ur from ny you would know that.

[@apexone5502]

@@HolyRollerTV no

[@apexone5502]

@@HolyRollerTV if you're trying to attribute hard drums and heavy bass to Caribbean influence, you are wrong.

[@apexone5502]

@@HolyRollerTV you didn't give proof. Your history was just what you said. That's not evidence. Still, knowing that funk, which is the foundation of hip hop, was heavy on bass and hard drums, no way did hip hop have to rely on what you're claiming is the inspiration for hard drums and bass in the genre.

[@LocoMenteClaraOne]

2:25 "In early Hip-Hopy, 74, 75. When y'all was out in this park, was it like a West Indian feel to it?" "No. This was all African-Americans and Spanish... " It may be debatable whether or not Latinos were in the HH game since day one, but it's not debatable that we were there shortly thereafter, and that we helped solidify the elements and strengthen the culture.

[@CuseSouthSide]

INDIVIDUALS SINGING JAZZ, BLUES, AND EVEN GOSPEL MUSIC WAS SO CALL RAPPING IN THE 20-30 IN AMERICA AND THEN SOME!!! DO SOME RESEARCH!!!!! REGGAE STARTED FROM SOUL MUSIC AND CALYPSO MUSIC!!!! DO SOME RESEARCH! RAPPING DIDN'T START IN NO DAMN BRONX AND IT WASN'T STARTED BY NO JAMAICANS!!! DO SOME RESEARCH! HERE COMES THE JUDGE!!!! LISTEN TO THAT!!!!!! LISTEN TO DOLERMITE!!! AND MANY OTHERS...

[@sherylsutherland1183]

My uncle was back there back in the day in the Bronx a lot of them had Island Roots they just wanted to assimilate it with the American culture so nobody knew who was from where everybody looked black so they just soon everybody was black American unless you had a strong accent then they knew you were different but a lot of the brothers back then didn't want to be called out as being different they wanted to be Americanized.

[@laudlevels9460]

confirming the black American culture was intact

[@sherylsutherland1183]

@@laudlevels9460 even today there's a lot of entertainers out there you wouldn't know that had Caribbean parents or grandparents like for example Aaliyah her father was Jamaican not everybody knows that

[@laudlevels9460]

@@sherylsutherland1183 she is American period

[@laudlevels9460]

@@sherylsutherland1183 most entertainers u speak of are not island or half few are pure blooded. My point is black American culture birth all the music/culture we see trending with black ppl around the world. Everyone copied us to steal our music because u are jealous / y’all are out of order. Black Americans need to separated and watch the shit get boring and we will see the truth. Your music came from us.

[@sherylsutherland1183]

@@laudlevels9460 well obviously she was born here so yes she's American but her father was Jamaican if you're born here you're American. But her background isn't 100% American

[@ermins.newyork7434]

You guys were very nice in this one. Not so much the 50/50 video with Fat Joe lol

[@fk90-b9z]

11:22 there you go, doug e fresh a Barbadian hip hop mc admits it. West Indian/carribean did not want to associate themselves with carribean culture instead, they emulated black/African American culture. That puts the whole hip hop being created by 3 west Indian's to bed. Remember, west Indian's in the 80s were calling hip hop yankee/gangster music amd that they did not want to associate themselves with it.

[@patkelly8309]

Hip-Hop all over Dancehall now. Not so the other way except maybe some of that Canadian pop rap.

[@50meters20000tons]

my man with the pause tape outro

[@robertbright2057]

The West Indian culture had absolutely nothing to do nor did they influence hip hop or any form of Black American music.

[@HonorableSienna]

Linking this to BUSTA recent comments on drink champs ~ disrespectful

[@TheCulture..Starts1971]

IAMBlakButtafli ... haven't seen it yet... what did busta say that was disrespectful?

[@jerseydevils9686]

@@TheCulture..Starts1971 Saying the same thing they said in that “Caribbean impact” video. Jamaicans created Hip Hop and all of that

[@Wilizm]

I'm from the Bronx, but I also have Caribbean roots & I feel a way about how y'all going in on Caribbean people, but I still enjoy the video.

[@paul-laurentmboyo7413]

more americanized more hip lol

[@metrothehero4375]

What's the song at 17:30.. Please.

[@TheCulture..Starts1971]

Metro TheHero the song is called "cross bronx" lord tariq big pun fat joe peter gunz

[@damiananderson6141]

Wrong buddy Caribbean did not start hip hop founding black Americans did Disco king Mario is the godfather of hip hop not kool herc stop the lies stick to dancehall reagae leave our culture alone

[@josemejia9349]

Tom the Great Sebastion was the first hip hop Dj

[@stayoncode]

Big speakers 🔊or putting one speaker on top of another is not hip hop you people are thirsty for some swag stick to your own culture what's the matter you ashamed of it cool hurt was 12 years old when he came to America what kind of Hip Hop was they listening to or doing in Jamaica at that time that he brought over here that we wasn't already doing or have done before he even got here we love Jamaica but y'all really need to stop with these lies

[@sioul8485]

Herc was Jamaican but his audience was black american. Ill admit most of the early participants and fans were black american esp since this wave of caribbean migration to NY was still in its infancy, so later on as it grew and caribbean immigrant kids got put on, yea its true alot of them assimilated esp to get accepted. HOWEVER, this doesnt disprove the fact that alot of this started w Kool Herc. Kool herc usin jamaican soundsystem.techniques on afro american music and playin that to his afro american audience using the jamaican dub techniques.....yea yall havent convinced me otherwise

[@StylistecS]

ISTP1992 you still don’t get it. All Herc did was play break beats at a party. Which was already done by previous djs such as grandmaster flowers in the late 60s. Sound systems were already in America before Herc got there. In other words, he contributed by adding more American influences and none of it was Jamaican.

[@sioul8485]

@@StylistecS i dont take anything u say seriously bc its obviously ur just blindly following whatever this michaelwayne guy is telling u

[@StylistecS]

ISTP1992 I’m not just listening to Michael Wayne. I’m listening to the people he is talking to that was there. I am also reading the articles as well as viewing other interviews. Meanwhile. All you can provide is nothing. So why should I take what you say seriously.

[@ericsnow2069]

@ISTP1992-- Did people assimilate to get accepted or because they just enjoyed the music?

[@marvl6472]

Also research Coke La Roc.... and Leslie Kong to for those who like to mention how "Black" Caribbeans started Reggae, made it popular

[@darrenrainey2294]

It's Cool to say it But the tradition still based on the Ghetto"s and how everybody was on hard times Turned ugly.....Then a Light bulb idea Struck the Bronx Towards DJ"s Two tech"s & a Mixer & Speakers next was a Rymer then it was M.C."s

[@Khultan]

ROTFLMAO...I'm dying Ah ha ha ha!!!!

[@miles__fm]

American culture is caribbean influenced

[@Khultan]

@@miles__fmExplain yourself, otherwise, yo, man, chill. Hip Hop is Black and Puerto Rican American rooted.

[@miles__fm]

American Born Patriot. there is a Caribbean influence on American music. Maybe not on hip hop, but it influenced jazz, and jazz is at the root of all of these other music types like disco and funk. The rhythms of disco and funk are very African. The Caribbean islands were a crucial transfer point to the mainland United States for African rhythms and musical forms from the beginning of the slave trade until the present. Caribbean music was very important in the development of jazz in New Orleans, America's Caribbean city. There were creole songs in the New Orleans. In fact, NONE of the features of jazz and ragtime music are American apart from the blues scale. I play music, and the scales used in jazz are all from different countries. The melodic traditions come from Europe eg modal scales from Greece and extended chords from France. The rhythms come from West African and Caribbean folk music The only solely American thing in jazz music is the blues scale Lots of you people claim to have invented everything, but don’t know where it comes from. And Reggae isn’t Jamaicans take on r&b. The famous ‘chop’ sound in reggae was used in calypso dating back to the 17th century in the Caribbean, a long time before American r&b artists like Rosco Gordon. Like this kzbin.info/www/bejne/rovXh6F5j8qlrpo Yes, reggae uses the American blues scale, but all the features of jazz music come from other countries (apart from the blues scale)

[@Khultan]

@@miles__fm I respect your intelligence, your music knowledge and your response and my response to yours is now you can't deny the origin of New York Hip Hop and want to deny NYC Bronx Black and Puerto Rican American youth culture as the founders of this thing. If what you're saying is true, you're going so far away that you can't give names for which to trace back to. I don't hear any Caribbean influence in Jimmy Castor's, *It's Just Begun*, I don't hear any Caribbean influence in Babe Ruth's, *The Mexican*, I don't hear any Caribbean influence in The Incredible Bongo Band's version of *Apache* and all these were just some of the music the early generation of NYC Black and Puerto Rican American South Bronx bboys went crazy hype for.

[@miles__fm]

American Born Patriot. I play guitar as well what songs do you like to play?

[@whataguyproductions1222]

Why didn’t the snap back

[@Acecapone456]

Bam Flash Herc Busta were 90% Black Men coming up in hip hop culture 10% was when they went home around family

[@gullybop1695]

Shout out to Kool Herc

[@robluv4592]

Dominican Puerto Rican created hip hop. Pants hanging down DJ everything

[@malikbey5522]

Drugs will hurt you. 🤔🤔

[@tinomckenzie8005]

Raggae is worldwide hip hop is known by English language countries

[@StylistecS]

Hip hop is far more popular globally than reggae.

[@NOLUCKMVCK]

is there French reggae Spanish reggae German reggae African reggae NO you idiot. RAP IS literally IN EVERY language

[@jaaysinbarber2924]

Troll

[@donmac6712]

No we don't think we started hip hop and don't forget many carribeans been here since the 50s and their generations didn't act or behave like traditional islanders. This not saying islanders created hip hop. But know the influence has been there from day 1. 1 thing I learn about this video is that it shows the negativity we have against each other with the way the video man nd interviewer address certain things. Yes some of it is true and thats cause of our livity not to put our heart and sole into material things. Along with being poor and alot of Americans had high waters too even in the 80s

[@StylistecS]

Influence? Where? You mean contributions? If so yes. Influence was mostly black American music, culture, and customs.

[@apexone5502]

Black immigrant numbers were less than one million until the ‘80s. Your numbers weren’t even big enough to have some kind of major influence on Black American culture.

[@RespectYaMelonin]

Bro Pete rock and Busta said it came from the Carribean....gtfoh. Yes you guys are a part of the culture but did not create it. Dapper Dan was the fashion for blacks in Ny. Right now in this present day African Americans still the culture. Kids out here wearing Jordans. Our lingo ir swag is not Carribean. In the 60's and 70's Motown was what we were listening to not no reggae. I love Bob Marley but Motown alone will kill yall whole catalog. And i bet the elders in the carribean was listening to them too

[@billblass1663]

that was funny

[@edgardosoto4193]

Is so simple..Hip hop as hip hop is a mix of all the races that was in Newyork from the 60s to the 80s..every one that was in the poor community of New York was the creators..single out a race s the originators is so dumb

[@TheCulture..Starts1971]

Edgardo Soto you said "EVERY ONE THAT WAS IN THE POOR COMMUNITY OF NEW YORK WAS THE CREATORS".... that is just not true....at the very beginning of Hip Hop 1970-1973 it was mostly a african american vibe ... Hip Hop was a african american culture...Hip Hop began with african americans/james brown 1970-1973

[@edgardosoto4193]

Michael Waynetv so where you left the strong Puertorican community this is so bugus to say to guys did everything lol

[@TheCulture..Starts1971]

Edguardo Soto.. no doubt yes there were one or two puerto ricans down with african americans back in the 1960's early 1970's.. one of the Black Spade leaders and deejays was puerto rican....so yes of course a few puerto ricans was down with Hip hop...however back then as you probably know.. puerto ricans was much more close to their own culture and heritage !! most puerto ricans was more into spanish music!! puerto ricans wasn't too much into james brown parliament funk soul music back in 1969 1970 1971 ...james brown funk and soul music is the cornerstone/beginnings of Hip Hop... those are historical facts

[@Fyahbana83]

So we have hip hop artists saying that hip hop steamed from caribbean culture, vs a bunch of dudes from around they way disagreeing…….so I guess we gone disagree that Marcus Garvey was Jamaican and didn’t start the Pan African movement that blacks all over America today walking around with red black and green flags?????

[@NOLUCKMVCK]

all black people don't subscribe to that mainly people from the woke community on the east coast

[@VAswang]

Marcus Garvey didn’t start pan-Africanism. Even pan-Africanists know this.

[@mansamusa2012]

Garvey was great. He was influenced by Booker T Washington. Plus there were pan Africans in America prior to Garvey. Regardless Garvey was the man!!!

[@RespectYaMelonin]

We talkin about Hip Hop. Ska even was an imitation of african american music. Do your homework bro.

[@laudlevels9460]

he worked with crakas

[@robluv4592]

Hip hop taste Puerto Rican DominicanS..

[@ericsnow2069]

I think the real problem at hand is that you had ample time to get your version of the history out but for whatever reason didn't do it. So you basically telling me that you just gave Herc, Flash and Bambattaa the floor and they became this impactful? Was they supposed to tell someone else's story besides they're own? Hip Hop is an African American art form because it's final form that is known globally exports from US soil. It is also a fact that the children of the diaspora scattered helped to build it...not because people "snapped on" or "dissed" but because they had a natural gift to it.

[@blackbolt1013]

Ah_men

[@rdeye-rb1pe]

Yo. Very very few trojan artists rhymed over there group's no disrespect there sound was hot though but nah there bass and drummers love there sounds u had Desmond Dekker I had toots many others man the there's a few more that yal lshould check out to type in on youtube trojan reggae 65 through 73 as well as checkout the skinhead movement in England when regae made it over there

[@RespectYaMelonin]

Bro. They all use to listen to african americans. Even Ska was trying to imitate the early african americans. You got dates so see when the first african americans were making music. Way before all this music came out. Even England was trying to imitate us. Do ya homework bro. Clement Dodd say he got his idea from the americans. Yall buggin..smh

[@pedroaviles9415]

Yes but it don't mean all puertoriguen was using high waters maybe one our two they wanted to look like the Beatles in those days? but in those days was the female that had there blacks Egypt fashion that dressed difrent then black brothers sister told that black brother to stop dressing so sloppy I can remeber puertoriguen was more clean and neat! but not all black was into fashion that was a black brother who was competing against the whites and then the Spanish that was into fashion competing against the whites puertoriguen had there fashion concept. the black woman had there own Egypt fashion belief.

[@pedroaviles9415]

Let's getting right we didn't look to the blacks for fashion it was racial competition going on every racial group had there own culture belief.lets say the truth it was blacks trying to be better then the whites that's a fact the racial injustice that was going on

[@QueenAnitaSoul]

Hahaha They got jokes

[@willweed6168]

Not Spanish. Puerto Rican is the correct term.

[@RCLaROCK1]

Apache .was the B BOY Anthem .... ..you had to hear it on a booming systems ..CEDAR PARK in the dark ......the boom bap............... Pete dj jones played DISCO hustle drum parts or rhythm section instrumentals using 2 records ..not BRAKE BEATS ....per=say .by extended play also Grand master Flowers Blended Disco hustles drum congos parts but not Bboys breaks like Herc ...nobody did .....

[@IAMHIPHOP974]

Blacks and Puerto Ricans kids in the Bronx pioneered Hip Hop

[@NYScott-mj6uo]

Lies?

[@cypriano8763]

sound systems, toasting/rapping, dub/mixing, sampling, rebel attitude, block parties. a lot of similarities there. reggae/dub did come before hip hop like late sixties early seventies.

[@StylistecS]

Cypriano this is incorrect. It came around the same time. Hip hop began in the late 60s as well. Reggae was influenced by r&b. Hip hop was influenced by a combination of black American culture.

[@cypriano8763]

@@StylistecS dub came before hip hop. 100%. look up prince jammy, king tubby, lee perry, prince buster, king stitt, u roy. jamaican sound systems are early sixties. im not sayin hip hop came from there, but that there is a kinship between the two. in my opinion there is no hip hop without james brown

[@StylistecS]

Cypriano I don’t know about dub as I mentioned only reggae. There were sound systems in America prior to Jamaica. But yes, hip hop is a combination of American black music of funk, blues, r&b, as well as jive talking and snapping/dozens along with disco djing.

[@robertjones1940]

Caribbeans did make it what it is.

[@elevatedgoddess3917]

No the fuck they didn't.😂

[@djpioneer937]

Robert Jones please. I would give that credit to the West Coast

[@Yh-vi2sv]

@@djpioneer937 nah bruh New York is the only place we recognise

[@menschmaschine-2483]

Fun fact: The turntable was a German invention, just like the first audiomixer, the microphone, even the world wide's first DJ was German. Again, we just invented almost everything. No problem guys😎

[@nisalocalldn414]

yes boss

[@showmestatefinest5412]

Ok and?

[@arkeif]

Blasphemous!!!! Lol

[@enosger]

No one ever said hip hop is Caribbean they saying, the sound system style had a big influence on the American urban culture that was already there, remember, the term hip hop wasn’t created until after grandmaster flash, him and his crew coined the phrase and flash is Barbadian.

[@americasmaker]

Herc himself said Jamaican sound systems and toasting didnt have shit to do with Hip Hop

[@StylistecS]

Soundsystem culture was already being done in America before any Caribbean came to America.

[@americasmaker]

@@StylistecS not to mention Coxson Dodd who is the father of Jamaican soundsystens claimed he learned about outdoor soundsystems while in the American south. Why would African Americans from new York city adopt that from Jamaicans as opposed to their southern parents, grandparents, aunts, and uncles.

[@bodyworkandptbykraig7609]

@@americasmaker Churches and Camp Meetings probably.

[@Abstract.Noir414]

@@americasmaker Prrrrrrrreach

[@benjammingodette8184]

Herc a fraud

[@fuckrygwaanent.4357]

The guy disrespecting Jamaica ain't funny bruh , personally most ppl agree dj herc started shit so we dont care abt the minority that doesn't. An ain't no American dj better than a Jamaican dj or Jamaican party face facts Jamaica culture on a whole is better thats y they all wanna be in ja some even wanna be Jamaican look around unless yall blind 🤣 nigga say black African American like Jamaicans are chinese or somn ain't they African too dwl Jamaica run shit nigga yall tryna say BOB MARLEY American too at 1 point give it rest dudes

[@StylistecS]

What in the hell are you talking about? The majority does not agree that Herc started this? He was not the first to do break beats. He didn’t rap. He didn’t dance. So what are you talking about?

[@jaaysinbarber2924]

You probably think ancient Egyptians are nonmelonated Europeans

[@laudlevels9460]

bob marley songs were written by a black americans

[@davidcummings5984]

East Coast Funk Early 80S Was influenced by Reggae Music .....Driving Fat Baselines ....Large Caribbean Communities in Queens and Brooklyn ...Coxsone Set up a Label in Brooklyn......They most definitely listened to Dub Music....Disco Dub Band , El Coco Unlimited Touch , Gwen McCrae, BBQ Band ...They put Dub into the Funk, and inspired by the Version Excursion and the Dub plate , Specials, and RUSH release If you can't hear the Caribbean , then you either on pure Crack or just plain jealous and in denial...But prior to the West Indian influence After the James Brown Era ....Heavy Base lines were P.Funk and influenced By Rock and Blues......As for Hip Hop that was Mostly Disco ....Disco was and still is the toughest form of Hip Hop ....Bronxs Hip Hop is more Carvery ...Butcher Shop was it influence By Reggae ???...No not directly did they listen to toasting n imitate ? I can't hear it . But alot of early Hip Hop artist were of Caribbean migrants , also from Carolina You could reason Hip Hop dont discriminate and was influenced by every music ...if its got a Beat !!

[@glokid6318]

David Cummings Funk influenced by Reggae? Yeah right. Even if that were true dont forget to mention that reggae is an offshoot of American R&B music.... Reggae wouldn’t even exist if it wasn’t for R&B so to sit here and say that funk was influenced by a music genre which was influenced by another music genre is reaching at it’s finest lol. You folks talk as if reggae wasn’t heavily influenced by black American music to begin with. You’d literally have ppl out here thinking that Jamaicans came up with reggae all by themselves with no influence what so ever. Jamaicans born in America dont even have or at least embrace their own style & culture. They pretty much copy everything black Americans do. They follow all black American trends. Nobody can name one popular trend set by Jamaicans in America within the last decade. The most popular sub genre of hip-hop today is trap music & who started that? Jamaicans???? HELL NOOOOO.... black American started it. Everything synonymous with being kool & black is more commonly associated with black Americans not Jamaicans. They watch us and copy us. Not the other way around. Jamaicans in the U.S. prefer to speak ebonics over Patios and they use our slang more than their own from Jamaica. Even the coolest Jamaican rappers used black American style and representation to get popular because they know Jamaican style and way of life is not accepted as kool here. It never was. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@americasmaker]

@@glokid6318 they have even started claiming they created trap music. Look up the article.

[@glokid6318]

Dick JonesOCP Lmaoooo these Jamaicans are DELUSIONAL!!!

[@nisalocalldn414]

@@glokid6318 Jamaica doesn't steal from other cultures. This is completely false! These statements about Rosco Gordon are not true. Yes, Gordon and Fats Domino did the ''off-beat shuffle'', but there was already a chop in mento music in Jamaica. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKK5iGyJrZhkY68 kzbin.info/www/bejne/rGfcZoRnadFqo7c (this video is only 10 years ago but the music is played in the traditional mento style) You are referring to ''ska'' songs like this, where Jamaicans replaced the ''off-beat shuffle'' rhythm with the ''chop'' - kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqjVeXaXbtljmq8 This isn't actually ska. It hadn't formed into ska yet. It was a genre called ''Jamaican r&b''. Mainly covers of American r&b songs. It was credited by Jamaicans as r&b music. People often cross ska and Jamaican r&b together. Ska is an ORIGINAL JAMAICAN genre. It has a THIRD BEAT rhythm like mento music. Here is a SKA song, not JAMAICAN R&B, which is the style you are referring to - kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYXRYWSgn6p5nLs Obviously there are Americanised things about it, such as the drum set and blues notes, but that is because AAs are the most influential culture in the world, but that doesn't mean you can discredit other cultures Also, even if the ska chop was invented by Rosco Gordon (which it's not, it was used in mento music), Jamaicans would still be the father of reggae because the chop is completely different to the American shuffle rhythm. It would've been used and developed in a completely different way. If you listen to Boogie on reggae woman by Stevie Wonder, that's not a reggae song but the guitar plays a reggae rhythm, which is completely different to any American one If that sub-genre of r&b which you are talking about (just before ska) was the main genre in Jamaica, then yes, that would be cultural theft. But at no point have Jamaicans claimed that sound as their own You people are also always crossing the terms ''CARIBBEAN'' and ''JAMAICAN''. Caribbeans didn't create hip hop. However they DID contribute to AA culture, and these contributions are often overlooked. There is a Caribbean influence in jazz music, because of the Caribbean immigration to Louisiana at the time. The hambone rhythm was brought to South Carolina from African (Kongo) slaves, but Haitian drums were used to communicate and perform the dance. Same with the clave, tresillo etc. The rhythms are similar to central African music, but the instrumentation (and some of the rhythms) used in jazz were invented and used in Cuba, Trinidad and Haiti. The Cuban variations of the rhythms are the ones are used in jazz. I'm not talking about a ''Spanish tinge''. African American music began incorporating Afro-Cuban rhythmic motifs in the 1800s with the popularity of the Cuban contradanza. Musicians from Havana and New Orleans would take the twice-daily ferry between both cities to perform and the habanera took root in New Orleans. The habanera had periods of popularity in the United States, and inspired the use of tresillo-based rhythms in African American music. What I can agree with you on is that the tresillo WASNT Cuban influenced. But the Cuban/Haitian rhythms are different to the Central African ones, and they are used in jazz. But there is that Cuban/Haitian/Trini influence Furthermore bongos were invented in the Caribbean as well, they are heavily used in American music - especially disco and funk. Hip hop mainly comes from disco music, and there are two main influences on disco. Caribbean salsa music, and American funk music. You can hear the salsa influence. That's why there's a snare before the second beat (if you count it as 4) in lots of disco songs. As well as salsa, you can hear that sound in calypso/soca I'm not trying to credit Caribbean people for the ''creation'' of AA music, but what I am saying is that there is influence from other countries as well. I don't want to discredit AAs as it is their genre, but there is influence from other parts of the world. This is just FYI Mixolydian/modal scales were intergrated into blues scales, but these were invented in Greece. New Orleans had the highest levels of a Greek immigrants in the mid 1800s, and Caribbean people also immigrated there. Extended chords are a French creation, but were used cleverly by African Americans in jazz. These French and Spanish cultures merged with AA cultures because of Creolisation

[@mansamusa2012]

Bullshit !!!!!! James Brown, Parliament, Sly and the family stone were doing Funk in the 70’s !!! As far as the 80’s only a few songs had reggae influenced.

[@franklynmcgradycalderon977]

we black ppl and spanish embrase hip hop as a culture but the sound was a caribbean vibe....FACTS

[@ghetuyi]

No it's not Caribbean vibe! The vibe is soul and funk music! Even speaking of Caribbean vibe it's American since Ska, Rock Steady and Reggae is a knock off of American R&B and Doo Wop music from the 40's and 50's. The Boom Bap sound is American, the Drum set is an Americans innovation and it established the American music sound.

[@davidcummings5984]

Freedom of Speech ......You dropping knowledge right there ...Mister Zoe is just a hater of West Indians and dont know what the fuck he talking about ...FACT Black Americans heavily Influenced by Jamaican Sound System Culture Echo chambers , effects unit bass lines ....But Jamaicans hated early Sound System Hip hop

[@sexyrose93]

Early Hip-Hop music did NOT have a Caribbean vibe.

[@tonytuffers]

It's funny how hip hop is supposed to predate Jamaican style toasting but try searching for rap records in the early 1970s and you'll quickly find that it doesnt exist as a musical cultural phenomenon, yes there are exceptions Pigmeat Markham here comes the judge, he was rapping but it was not hip hop. The last poets were spoken word, and James Brown was the Godfather of soul not hip hop. Fatback Band King Tim III Personality Jock is supposed to be the first real rap on wax but Jamaican style emceeing on wax to be sold commercially predates Personality Jock by at least 10 years in the form of I Roy, U Roy, Dennis Alcapone, Prince Jazzbo, I could go on but hopefully yuou already get my point.

[@QueenAnitaSoul]

False

[@enosger]

Everyone making comments here should watch the documentary on grandmaster flash quick mix theory, it is the only way you could create a hip hop style beat as we know it today, rapping is just rapping, it’s not what makes it hip hop, this truly is the creation of hip hop music, which admittedly came out of American urban culture, but the innovations in deejaying is blatantly a West Indian thing, rewinding the record, stopping the record, momentarily adding effects, that’s all from dancehall reggae pre herc or mario or Pete Jones, to summarise grand master flash created the science of how to make the music and he’s West Indian born.

[@tize8310]

*record, stopping the record, momentarily adding effects* Those are all disco djing techniques. Hip hop basically inherited all of its dj techniques from disco aside from scratching which was also invented by an African-American. Breakbeats come from disco. Virtually of the early hip hop breaks and samples come from funk, disco, and soul. Nothing dancehall or reggae about it. Furthermore, reggae is an offshoot of Soul and Dancehall is an offshoot of Funk. Coxsone Dodd brought the soundsystem of AAs from the US south back to jamaica which laid the foundation of the jamaican "dee jay". And Count Matchuki brought "toasting" to jamaica by imitating AA jive talking djs at Dodds request. Jamaicans borrow heavily from AA music since the time of ska being an offshoot of R&B to bob marley literally ripping whole songs from curtis mayfield, not the other way around. AAs in general have never adopted sounds or had any interest in music of the caribbean. It's just the truth.

[@cyrusdesir3223]

@@tize8310 you need to check your facts ‘Jamaican r&b’ was an offshoot of American r&b. Ska is further developed from that. It has blues notes etc but it’s not a direct copy of r&b, that was just a period where Jamaicans were covering r&b songs and labelled it as ‘Jamaican r&b’ Ska and reggae are their own creations Reggae is a fully jamaican genre apart from the blues influence. The rhythms are all Jamaican and come from mento music which dates back Before ska. There is still that off beat chop in mento. And even if there wasn’t, reggae wouldn’t be stolen from r&b because it’s a completely different genre. Do you think stir it up by Bob Marley sounds exactly like let’s get High by rosoc gordon? No, it doesn’t I’m sick of you AAs saying that you created every single thing. Yes, you created a lot of things but lots of your genres wouldn’t exist without white Jews, and jazz wouldn’t exist without the colonisation of french, and Greek immigration to New Orleans. That’a where the chords come from! And blues scales created by AAs are integrated with Greek ones! Furthermore there are west indian rhythms in jazz. The bo diddley rhythm is TRACED back to central Africa, but the version he made famous is a variation that comes from Cuba. Musicians would take the twice a day ferry from Havana and New Orleans. There has always been a caribbean influence on early American music, which has impacted its createion such as joropo, calypso, jwe and more genres. Hip hop is not directly caribbean influence, but it comes out of disco which is. Disco is birthed from AA funk but the rhythms are salsa. That’s why you hear the snare on the second quaver beat (if counted in 44) I’m sick of you AAs looking down on caribbean and African people. You are victims of racism, you have had your culture stripped from you and taken by white people, but NOT US All this snappin, aids jokes, ‘get coconuts’ to caribbean and Africa people - there was no need Typical Mentalilty - look down on caribbean and African people because they aren’t as ‘advanced’ as you, when in reality they’ve influenced your culture! You ARE west African. You are an AFRICAN AFRICAN AFRICAN AFRICAN AFRICAN YOU ARE AN AFRICAN MAN Maybe African and Caribbean people get so angry at African Americans now because of how they have been treated by you Yes, I understand that in the south they are more likely to be treated better than AAs, but that’s is the government And you think West Indians have it easy? Come to the uk Watch TV shows like small axe, top boy Caribbean culture is powerful.

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@@tize8310 Bob Marley never ripped anything off Curtis mayfield is your head browkn

[@SHADOWBANNED1984]

Look at that false Jamaican narrative.

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Chuck Berry - Jaguars and Thunderbird...1950s Rap

[@DJNEDROY]

Nobody really can pin point who but i bet Kool herc s party were prob more popular for some reason😊