Outgrowing a Film | Joker (2019) Discussion

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@THECHARLIE221 Ай бұрын

I liked your overall thoughts, at times this happens to me with music, I’ll have the vaguest idea of this song’s structure and how hard it was and then I’ll come back to revisit it and find the writing is corny, too on the nose, predictable tropes, the sound is meh and it no longer reflects who you are and what you like, I believe this exact thing is what happens to some movies Having said that some music and movies age better than others, many feel distinctly 00’s or 90’s and still are perfectly well made and hit just as hard Great video and overall thoughts presented my guy, made my morning!

@DefunctGames 2 ай бұрын

This reminds me a lot of the teenage angst bands that you love when you're 15, but then find cringe when you're a full-grown adult. Every generation has their own teenage angst band, so I'm not here to pick on any specific ones. When you're the target demo, that anger and cynicism connects, because somebody else feels the way you do. But then, in retrospect, you look back and realize that a lot of that anger and cynicism is misplaced and not as important as it felt at the time. You view the world (and art) differently, so it's hard to relate when you are no longer an angsty teenager. As somebody who was quite a bit older when Man of Steel came out, I hated it from the get-go. I found it to be too self-serious and angsty. I missed the fun and the humor found in the previous versions of Superman. Had I been 15 at the time, I probably would have loved it. It was targeting that teenage angst demographic. This happens in reverse, too. As a teenager, I didn't "get" Eyes Wide Shut. It was slow and didn't have the same highs of other Kubrick films. Now, decades later, it's one of my favorite films of all time. It turns out that I needed to grow up, get into relationships (both good and bad) and have some real life experience under my belt. It was a movie made for adults, so of course I didn't connect with it as a teenager. Roger Ebert has a famous quote where he talks about how the movie La Dolce Vita changed for him over the course of his life: “Movies do not change, but their viewers do. When I saw La Dolce Vita in 1960, I was an adolescent for whom “the sweet life” represented everything I dreamed of: sin, exotic European glamor, the weary romance of the cynical newspaperman. When I saw it again, around 1970, I was living in a version of Marcello’s world; Chicago’s North Avenue was not the Via Veneto, but at 3 a.m. the denizens were just as colorful, and I was about Marcello’s age. When I saw the movie around 1980, Marcello was the same age, but I was 10 years older, had stopped drinking, and saw him not as a role model but as a victim, condemned to an endless search for happiness that could never be found, not that way. By 1991, when I analyzed the film a frame at a time at the University of Colorado, Marcello seemed younger still, and while I had once admired and then criticized him, now I pitied and loved him. And when I saw the movie right after Mastroianni died, I thought that Fellini and Marcello had taken a moment of discovery and made it immortal.”

@ImJaredRoss 2 ай бұрын

Fantastic response! I’ve also had the interesting thing happen too where I loved a film only to years later not accept a film only to wrap background and accept that I do love it and it’s exactly the film I need.

@TonyGonzales Ай бұрын

Joker is an indicting film of its time, even if I don't care for it personally. The point about the message being muddled rings true, and I find the violence is only really for the sake of itself as a result. In any event, bravo for revisiting your convictions, especially in public.

@justinpatton6996 2 ай бұрын

Hey I’m good man I didn’t see the new one so my nostalgia for Joker 🃏 is fine 😎

@elleblur5 2 ай бұрын

I wish I did the same. I just pretend the sequel never happened LOL

@dalberttran8134 Ай бұрын

Im shocked that nobody is comparing Joker (2019) to Black Swan (2010) because they are both shockingly similar films, because both films explore the psychological breakdown of their main characters, driven by intense societal pressures and a gradual descent into madness, culminating in a climactic performance where they finally embrace their dark side, letting go of their inhibitions and societal constraints, all while facing a loss of identity and reality; essentially portraying the struggle between a seemingly normal persona and a hidden, destructive inner self. And both films end off where the protagonist have fully embrace their inner turmoil the only difference about these films is that the events in Black Swan are 100% real, but Joker 2019 the very last scene implys that Arthur could be making up the story in his head making the audience question is he a reliable narrator. Joker is a good movie (7/10) it has its flaws like the subplots are very underdeveloped and 2 contriveds moments like why didnt the Gotham Detectives to arrest Arthur if they suspected him or how the hell did Arthur snucked a gun on a live tv show studio. As much as those flaws kinda annoyed me over time the pros just outweights cons like Joaquin Phoenix's performance is incredible the one aspect about this film that is universally praised, cinematopgraphy, production design, and the acting all around is great. I find it really annoying how everyone saids that Joker "copied" Taxi driver and King of Comedy when it took inspiration from those films and Taxi Driver is based off from a film call "The Searchers" (1956) Taxi Driver is not this totally original idea you guys make it out to be.

@ImJaredRoss Ай бұрын

I still need to see Black Swan and you’re the first person I’ve known to make that comparison and I find that so interesting!

@carsonpeterson758 Ай бұрын

Joker is better how is there any similarities with them they are completely different

@dalberttran8134 Ай бұрын

@carsonpeterson758 Think about it. Both mentally unstable people, both have abusive parents, they both fantasize about a relationship, and in the end both get hurt because of their final act. The only difference is Nina (spoilers) dies at the end, but that is one of the only major differences I can find. In terms of the events and story structure they are pretty similar.