Rivian Software & Mobile App Deep Dive! Years Of Updates Make It One Of The Best

[@ahbushnell1]

You forgot kneel mode. I really like that. Good for older folks.

[@ShewanJanith]

Please do a "deep froze then charge" test for the Rivian too... Please .

[@KiRiTO72987]

yeah id deffinitly like to see how the rivian compares to the M3 they did it on a while ago

[@ShewanJanith]

@KiRiTO72987 they did it ? Can you please tell me what video is that ? I tried to find but there wasn't.

[@GregMcNamer]

@ShewanJanith do you specifically care about Gen2 and/or Max pack? I could do it on my gen 1 if 17F is cold enough

[@KiRiTO72987]

@ShewanJanith kzbin.info/www/bejne/n17GaXSLmrCma8U

[@eastbaysaint]

While winter testing in Fairbanks deep froze a model 3 and bricked it. The rivian and edv survived over night

[@s2hill]

2:04 I literally laughed out loud when he said that CarPlay and android auto suck. Try texting on Rivian or Tesla for that matter. Talk about suck. The amount of apps that work with either one of those versus the Rivian alone? Come on Jordan. Seriously. It’s just a bummer that you can’t have both along with the really otherwise good Rivian software. But the phone integration with Rivian sucks. And there’s no better way to say that. So having CarPlay where everything is already on your phone and simply being able to use it in your car Does not suck in my personal opinion, but I just blown away that you would say it sucks. I agree there are tons of great things about Rivian software. Phone integration is not one of them.

[@daadreeb6582]

Completely agree

[@jysmtl]

What is “c’mon, Jordan, seriously”?? He’s got his view, you’ve got yours. I agree with Jordan, no need for CarPlay.

[@Kaswam2]

Perfect timing, picked mine up today!

[@LemironStarling]

Congratulations!!!

[@funnyent]

great overview - picking up mine on 2/10. great to see everything!

[@BK-pc3ei]

CarPlay and android auto don’t suck. They are really good features plus vehicles should bring in the next generation of CarPlay just from Apple‘s demo. It looked pretty cool. The Rivian does have a good looking system.

[@asdf5341]

Agreed!! LOVE CarPlay!! The worst part of my Tesla is that it doesn't have CarPlay (and one reason why I'm ditching it for a car that does have it)

[@davidwizig8950]

Great review. I am so impressed with the software and I LOVE having Pet Mode for my dog!!! I got my Rivian just over a month ago. I must also mention that I thought the update that addressed the audio was a HUGE improvement. I am quite happy with the sound now and am so lucky that it got done right when I got my car.

[@keco185]

If Rivian had a service center near me I would really consider getting one

[@elde667]

Simply awesome….well done Jordan!

[@lukehouge9776]

Would love to see one of these or a comparison for all major manufacturers, very helpful!

[@sandshark5584]

A really simple thing I would like is having the time of day on the instrument cluster in addition to the far right of the main screen. Also, I think auto-pausing music when you open the driver door would be helpful instead of continually playing getting in or out until it shuts off.

[@SparkySho]

96.3% MUST HAVE

[@azorglub]

After 2 years of ownership R1T software has gotten really good. No need for Carplay/Android Auto

[@gabe6959]

I use carplay because it allows me to use whatever maps app I want to use, and I have another option if I dont want to pay for connected services from the manufacturer.

[@daadreeb6582]

Exactly. Fewer app choices and then being forced to pay for infotainment or apps that otherwise would be free sucks big time.

[@RoamingNorway]

Amazing intro! Can't wait to get Rivians in Europe

[@ulis1821]

Thanks again for another detailed video! Are the problems fixed that Kyle faced in his last Rivian test?

[@CanisoGaming]

Thank you for giving me ideas for my next kidnap friendly vehicle

[@SparkySho]

Ha love it “KFV “

[@urbanstrencan]

Can't wait to get Rivian here in Europe 😍🤩 Please make R2T or R3T pickup for our smaller narrow European roads 😍💪😊

[@PatrickWarnVT]

One thing you missed in the left card on the driver's display can be changed to show different things with the left steering wheel buttons. In addition to Nav, it can also show Tire Pressures/Efficiency/Now Playing

[@binjones]

AppleCarplay still gives better turn by turn directions in advance and not at the last moment like the Tesla app. I have missed many turns as Tesla is slow in giving directions.

[@MrDgt66]

Hey Jordan!

[@eastbaysaint]

My gripe is one to many presses to get where and)or what i want

[@BillGardiner]

Thanks for the deep dive. I'm REALLY considering an R2 when they come out and it was nice to see the differences between Rivian and Tesla's software experiences.

[@HyperfixChris]

FYI, the infotainment boards are nearly identical from Gen1 to Gen2. I've compared them and they feel the same. Latest updates have made them pretty snappy (again). It's the self driving computer in the Gen2 that's 10x more powerful than Gen1. Sandy Munroe's latest interview with the head of Rivian's electronics confirmed all of this.

[@GregMcNamer]

Yeah, I think Jordan got this verifiable fact wrong, unfortunately.

[@edman007x]

They even said that at the R2 launch, but I think Gen2 is probably still snappier, the new module runs the cameras, so I think at least a portion of the drive cam stuff gets offloaded, so the board runs a little bit less stuff in the gen2.

[@JesseSmtns]

I was actually surprised to see the lag in this software. Really thought it would be better. Not nearly as bad as my Lightning but would expect close to iPad level performance from Rivian.

[@ahbushnell1]

You do a great job.

[@SparkySho]

One of the BBBEST

[@scotteebee]

You missed the “reset” function of each on-road mode. Tap the oval recycle icon on the mode button and it resets all of the other settings.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

11:45 - I've actually found that Rivian's _Navigation_ range estimate is far more accurate than the "instrument cluster current range". Because the nav takes terrain, weather, and speed into account; while the instrument cluster is purely "you're at _x_ percent, therefore based on EPA rated range, you can go _y_ miles."

[@edman007x]

It is, in fact, Jordan was wrong about the Hud, it doesn't show the EPA number, and it doesn't show a reasonable estimate for your average driving style, in my R1S, it's permanently stuck at 303mi @ 100%, but will show 304mi on a full charge, and derates for pack temp. But the EPA number is 321, and it doesn't actually adjust to weather or vary meaningfully with driving style. So I know I get ~280mi in the winter, nav will compute that number. But you see people time and time again assume that the hud shows a reasonable number, and then complain they were almost stranded because they assumed it was close to correct. That's why the nav needs to show percentage, it gives you a false sense of security, if you are going somewhere and you will arrive with 75mi, you probably don't have the charge to make it to a charger 50mi past it.

[@gix40]

Awesome videos, guys, and yes, yall are the readon I purchased one a year and a half ago. Likes functionalities, Modern light sporty FAST truck reliable and dependable. Dislikes slow charging thermal issues on a good day, efficiency screen horrible cheap looking, range and price of max pack, and one feature I would love is the ability to enable home charger to be a final destination off of a long road trip. The truck wants to route me to a charger. Wonder if the charging door open and close could be included on the app. Rivian, keep the updates going for Gen 1 Owners these are not cell phones. I can't upgrade every 2 years, Lol.

[@naturedetectiveminecraft6362]

In my car, I’m almost always adjusting the vans. I might prefer having physical vents for the climate control. I would also prefer physical buttons for the climate control as well. Everything else could be on the screen. While I’m driving, I typically won’t adjust the fan speed quickly or the temperature. I also like having a physical button for the heated seat just because I can quickly click it without having a look down.

[@ST1300PA]

One thing you missed is that the live data changes depending on which drive mode you are in. I.e., if you are in "off-road", you will get tilt/roll angles displayed.

[@dianewallace6064]

Thank u for the content, Jordan. We own a 2023 quad motor R1T. Love it.

[@SparkySho]

Jordan is great better w/Jess

[@gummibando]

Current VW ID. software (v5.4) is actually really great. No idea if it’s available in the US (yet), though.

[@ranalloatl2]

2:39 this is a placebo. the SOC for the infotainment itself is virtually unchanged. the only chip that changed significantly and is significantly more powerful is dedicated to ADAS features, so the infotainment gets no benefit

[@JesseSmtns]

Yeah, I’d think the lag would be less if they actually put a new high end SOC in these…

[@_the_MIK]

When will they add youtube music?

[@AdamJakowenko]

This is exactly why people want CarPlay/Android Auto.

[@keep-ukraine-free]

@@AdamJakowenko Yes! People don't understand that CarPlay/Android Auto let them pick and use ANY app they want. Without that, we're at the whim of a car manufacturer to add stuff "when they're pushed to add it".

[@sageDieuvids]

I'd love to see this as a series - currently comparing R1S vs EV9 and it seems like the largest factor outside price will be software. But finding good content on EV9 software that isn't just reddit comments has been difficult, and it's this type of day-to-day/long-term annoyances and nice-to-haves that is impossible to glean from a test drive

[@buckeyefan084]

I wish they would also add KZbin Music. I hope by the time I get the R2, they will add it.

[@krzevr6]

Traded in my early Gen1 Quad (28 months/32k miles) for the Gen2 Tri in December… I actually much prefer the new electronic door. Door is lighter and easier to open and shut. Kids especially had to slam the doors on the Gen1 or try to close them more than once. I think the new door mechanism actually feels more “luxurious” than the clunky, heavy mechanical door.

[@grizzlymartin1]

Anything but a Tesla. 100% on board with that.

[@roydelpozo4816]

If Tesla had not been successful others would have not come . This said Tesla is not for all. Evs are not for all. But sales say Tesla works for the majority of us.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

The one physical control I wish my Rivian had (that my Mach-E *DOES* have) is a physical defog/defrost button. If I'm driving down the road, and the outside temperature changes suddenly (a not-unusual occurrence in Spring and Fall where I am) the windows can fog up *FAST*, and I don't want to have to look away from the road to activate the defogger. On my Mach-E, it's a physical button on the dash to the left of the steering wheel, I can reach down and turn it on purely by feel. On the Rivian, I have to look at the screen and aim my finger carefully, or else I'll just activate rear window defog or seat heat. And no, voice assistant is terrible at it. It is only successful maybe one time out of five at turning it on. (And it takes more time than a quick "reach, press button by feel" is.)

[@MrOffthecliff]

I’m not sure what’s going on with my gen2 premium audio… it sounds really good and I routinely listen between 20-25. When I first got the car, I couldn’t listen that loud because it did sound like I was going to blow something, but I feel like the speakers and sub broke in over time and note I get substantial sound at higher volumes. It’s weird.

[@g-s6459]

Thanks

[@ahbushnell1]

You can put a SSD in the center console.

[@Sal3600]

for the OS?

[@ahbushnell1]

@@Sal3600 It stores video.

[@0ttoman]

The seat heating or cooling function default to the weather outside. So if it’s a hot day, then you will see seat cooling as the default and vice versa. When is 26° f outside what is the chances of someone turning on the seat cooling?

[@evanstumpges1851]

I would like to see a climate feature in Rivian and Tesla to keep the cabin within a user set temperature range. As someone who is eco friendly I usually set a lower cabin temp in the winter and higher in the summer but there are also days in the Midwest that fluctuate temperature throughout a single day. If I could just set a min and max cabin temp I’d never have to change my settings year round.

[@gilly3531]

I have had an R1T for 3 years...any time i set an arrival destination, it applies it to my charging destination. Not sure what you are referring to as your complaint.

[@dianewallace6064]

I have an R1T since 2023. I would like to set my charging stops to 10% but my destination to 80%. I could trick the software, but it would just be nice to have separate settings.

[@TAWithiam]

4:08 it's not disappointing to not have physical buttons, it's a deal breaker lol. As much as I love Rivian, I can't live without climate controls that are usable without looking and without taking off gloves. I would rather have tesla's swipe for putting it in drive than have climate on a touch screen. I like to grade vehicles on their controls something like this: 1 - All touch controls, no stalks for things like blinkers, yoke ect.. (modern Tesla) 2 - Normal driving controls, but climate is all on touch screen (Rivian) 3 - Some climate controls on touch screen but not all (I've seen this in a Chevy Bolt, heated seats and turning heating/air conditioning on or off was touch but not other stuff) 4 - Physical climate controls but some minor driving controls are on the touch screen (Chevy Silverado EV with it's light controls on the touch screen) 5 - All physical controls for essential stuff used while in motion and passing the "glove test" where I can get the car going and climate controls set without taking my gloves off when its cold. To be clear, I want good software and I quite like what I see with Rivian except the slowness (I want snappy before aesthetic) but just give me _tactility_

[@AdamJakowenko]

100%!! I refuse to buy any vehicle with digital air vent controls. So fu$&ing stupid

[@JesseSmtns]

While it isn’t a dealbreaker for me, I agree that carmakers desperately need to bring back tactile controls. It’s as if they forget people are DRIVING while in the car most of the time… Really think the government needs to step in and start making automakers take safety into account with these systems…

[@Jeroenneman]

I have no idea why people desperately want physical controls. Get in the (preheated) car, press brake, shift, and go. Don't need physical controls the entire ride. Steering wheel controls for media/music. Voice controls for everything else.

[@JesseSmtns]

@@Jeroenneman not sure where you live but here in colorado our weather changes a lot and we often are adjusting climate controls throughout a drive. Getting into a car in the morning on a cold day means you’ve got big coats on and want it warm to start but then you get hot and need to lower the temp and the seat heaters. There are also plenty of times where we adjust which air vents are on, such as wanting full defrost on the windshield fogging up or iced or when we want to warm our feet because we got done doing an outdoor activity in the cold. Adjusting these things in a car with physical controls for them is objectively safer and faster. It’s been proven in studies. Voice control is nice to have but pushing a button with your finger is usually less annoying/effort than speaking out a properly syntaxed phrase…. And when you’re talking to people in the car and you have to say “everyone stop talking while I tell my car to turn on the defroster”, it’s pretty silly.

[@AdamJakowenko]

@@Jeroenneman 💯! I totally love yelling over my music and having it stop so I can ask the car to change the temperature then ask it again when it gets it wrong then ask it to stop the air blowing on my face then having it tell me it can't do that. I don't understand why nobody else wants this 🤷‍♂️

[@LJLion]

ABRP allows to set preferred arrival SOC in %tage and since it's a Rivian product now, I'm sure they can use the same algo for their native software.

[@passionvoile1650]

You can too within the car !

[@ziyaadkabani8312]

The full LTE signals doesn’t mean how strong or reliable the signal are, it just means how close you’re to the cell tower.

[@adamcoughran5230]

I think the only thing you did not address was the amount of updates Rivian pushes out. It seems almost monthly. And they always bring new features . Wish there was a comprehensive list of all the features they have added since release

[@cliffm8846]

As an owner of Tesla X and Cybertruck (I traded in my RIVIAN R1T), NO COMPANY can beat TESLA when it comes to SOFTWARE UPDATE & FSD!

[@mra4107]

Can you download 'offline maps' in areas without cell service?

[@robsomething4435]

No Android Auto is a dealbreaker for me. I take calls via Zoom, Webex and Teams throughout the day while driving. No car UI integrates them as seamlessly as Android since it is synced to my calendars and contacts. Huge miss and pretty ignorant statement by you.

[@snomofilms]

My R1T way under estimates the charge times on road trips. Sometimes up to 30-40% off.

[@passionvoile1650]

Strange - for me it’s opposite, it over estimates them and ABRP tends to be closer to what I really need

[@coreywadsworth1037]

Same for me. My R1T (gen1 launch) is terrible about heating the battery to be optimal for charging. More often than not it has to use the charger to heat the battery to then charge at higher speeds. In colder temps this wastes 5-10 minutes. I think that's a big reason the estimate is so off. My teslas have always been better about this. Hopefully rivian figures it out.

[@passionvoile1650]

@@coreywadsworth1037 I have a late gen1 (late 2023) large pack and I got that problem only once by 5f. I am in. Roth east so plenty of cold charges. I think they improved that aspect already

[@mra4107]

Did they include bidirectional charging (V2H) with the updates?

[@passionvoile1650]

Not yet but I think it’s for this year (2025)

[@IslaSprollie]

If you haven't already, can you do the same video on a Tesla (hopefully a Y)

[@drcampbellicu]

That’s a hot looking truck Nice rims too

[@efrainfjr]

Aren't Gen 1 and Gen 2 using the same soc for the screen?

[@daadreeb6582]

Rivian’s software is overrated and over hyped. It’s the weakest aspect of my R1, not the best. Just because you replace buttons that control drive modes, suspension stiffness, ride height and seat settings (none of which are new concepts) with touchscreen does not mean you’ve built great software. It means you’ve replaced buttons with touch screen. Settings have been menu driven for decades. What matters is the features and functions. My Rivian still lacks countless features, functions and infotainment capabilities that are in my 20 year old sedan. And those worked perfectly on day 1. I didn’t have to wait for over the air updates. With many functions, the concept of the car getting better over time is ridiculous because it means Rivian didn’t get it right the first time.

[@roydelpozo4816]

Are the gen 1 trucks getting these software updates ?

[@xlargetophat]

Will scout be more durable?

[@BK-pc3ei]

That is why Apple CarPlay and android auto, you literally would have every single streaming app podcasting app available in your car ect

[@markfoster2833]

Hoping for KZbin music app.

[@ahbushnell1]

Dose elevation come from GPS? Are you indoors without GPS?

[@Jordan_Schiefer]

Nope it was a glitch. Worked later that night again.

[@ahbushnell1]

Down load charging curve to spread sheet on the disk drive.

[@passionvoile1650]

With ABRP integration you can

[@ahbushnell1]

@@passionvoile1650 Is that the measured charging curve for my truck?

[@passionvoile1650]

@ ABRP can show you the charging curve while charging yes. You need to connect it to your Rivian account and it shows you live data

[@ahbushnell1]

@@passionvoile1650 That's cool.

[@darinbrazil5496]

It's a bit of a catch 22 with the battery charging, they could make it charge much faster but then they would probably have more battery failures before the 100K+ mile battery guarantee that they have and if they drop the 100K+ mile battery guarantee you would not get as many early adopter buyers even though the charging could be much faster if the guarantee was dropped.

[@passionvoile1650]

Rivian has. 180k miles guarantee !

[@darinbrazil5496]

@@passionvoile1650 Yes its 120K, 150K, 180K depending on the battery and variant you get thus the 100K+ designation in my comment.

[@jeremiahkuehne2400]

ABRP plus CarPlay means I can have as good/better routeplanning experience plus use whatever apps I want for things like music/podcasts/entertainment. On top of that, it uses my phone's cell service so I'm not stuck paying for a subscription to use my car. PLEASE stop advocating against CarPlay because the car manufacturers are already the ones not using it to the full potential and the alternative is SO much worse for the consumer.

[@MarsPLAYStudio]

23:29 I really wish I could turn off the stability program on my Model Y that easily.

[@bobkoch3513]

I would like google maps

[@jxeral]

Mmm, I don't mind the old iPad video quality, but the muzak in the intro is more of an issue actually...

[@jxeral]

There is no button for emergency flashers?

[@dianewallace6064]

I own a 2023 R1T. The hazard lights button is near the rear view mirror.

[@jxeral]

@@dianewallace6064 Nice, this is a good spot for it 🙂

[@dhp9691]

I'm more or less happy with my Gen1 UI/UX but how can you say that it's "incredible" with the extreme lags? My wife has the tesla Y and I actually can't stand the climate system controls on it but the software response is just soooooo much faster than Rivian's!

[@Dhairyasd]

1:43 , The reason why people say they wouldn't buy a car without Apple Carplay and Android Auto is because their SW and UI is absolute dogshit. In fact, I love Rivian's and Tesla's SW UI and would take that any day over Apple Carplay or Android Auto, but given a traditional rental car, I'd be mad if it doesn't have Apple Carplay in it.

[@darinbrazil5496]

I thought the latest software version is 2024.51?

[@Jordan_Schiefer]

It is, but we had not yet received it and I waited as long as possible to film this one.

[@darinbrazil5496]

@@Jordan_Schiefer Ah ya I keep forgetting that these videos are not necessarily posted as soon as they are recorded lol

[@artemZinn]

Thread comparing this with Cybertruck software as I watch:

[@artemZinn]

7:06 Software controlled vents are the best, glad Rivian also chose to do that, when passengers or even worse kids mess with it it's so nice to adjust it centrally and save to profile compared to many older cars I owned. Cybertruck however has annoyingly loud Ventilation on "Auto Low" and I have to always override speed to 1 or 2 out of 10, which gets reset everytime you engage Dog Mode. I and many others reported that over and over - Tesla couldn't care less. Model 3 and Y are much quiter on HVAC Auto. Looks like Jordan is saying same with Rivian Medium Fan speed and I think on 8:30 it just switched to Medium after disengaging Pet Mode? Why both Rivian and Tesla do it uhh. I also would love Cybertruck to support seat heating and ventilation at the same time, I loved that in BMW and Porsche, you stay warm but not sweating in cold winter.

[@artemZinn]

9:04 I don't quite get how Rivian does it, but one annoying thing with Tesla rear HVAC and heated seats control is that if you have HVAC off but want to enable rear seat heating - you have to open Climate menu which instantly turns HVAC on for entire car. Yeah it may sound like a niche issue but when off-roading far away from chargers you want to manually control all energy use and it is annoying to cycle HVAC just to control rear seat heating.

[@artemZinn]

9:20 Camping mode: Cybertruck annoying only allows to level the truck in Camping mode which I don't want to engage just to have electric cooktop in the bed leveled when I need to quickly cook something and move on.

[@artemZinn]

10:50 Navigation: Tesla maps are quite snappy, but annoyingly there is no way to cache the map data, so even if Truck knows the entire route but loses internet connection which let's be frank - most of the US has no data service off major highways. Like I want that satelite view or at least vector data to be predownloaded into cache once I put destination in for entire route. 11:07 Jordan, why didn't you call out massive frame drop and lag when you scrolled results for "Coffee" and map changed zoom levels in the Rivian navigation? It was really bad, especially when driving.

[@artemZinn]

16:06 Navigation: Overall I must say the Rivian UI looks more thought through for navigation actions, due to Tesla lack of "instrument cluster" in most of their cars it's kind of hard to reach for the driver to manipulate destination points, reorder them, etc, Tesla UI also zooms in-out automatically very agressively so you might be picking a point on the map and bam - map moved on its own. In Tesla the configuration menu for the Navigation always feels like afterthought for years, it's a tiny menu that always looks odd and non-informative, in Rivian it felt more integrated into main UI.

[@grizzlymartin1]

@5:00 ish “… let me use this valuable real estate…” EXACTLY! Lose the damn front row center console. Make it an option. I want it gone. I want the option to control MY “valuable real state” the way I want it i.e. move to the back row from inside the vehicle easily, for a whole host of reasons.

[@vhol93]

That intro lol

[@eSUBA94]

the application is completely blocked in EU I try to download different apks but there is a message that the version is wrong

[@passionvoile1650]

Yes you can’t instal app with a eu zoned phone ! Very annoying when family visits - they can’t use the app as a guest driver

[@garyclarke411]

Turn off Dynamic sound adjustment, with it even in Low, the sound gets blown out/distorted at higher volumes. Just turn it off and manually adjst the volume.

[@skater1191]

Bro, it’s not tezla. It’s tesla. Enunciate your S’s!

[@icare7151]

Needs a hud

[@mra4107]

The motorized vent adjustment is really unnecessary/dumb. Hard buttons just below the screen would be way better too. That said, this is still a really impressive vehicle.

[@daadreeb6582]

Agree. Manual vent controls cheaper to build, easier to use and in my experience just work better.

[@manuelias86]

I really enjoy the R1T, but for road trips I still use abrp for navigating. I have full control for SOC arrival and I usually manually update my efficiency. I just did 2 1000mi trips and it was ~20min off both times I do limit the max charge percentage to 65 since the truck is known to overheat and the times would be way off. FYI, abrp also gives live data for the battery temp while charging,so that’s the cherry on top 😁

[@dianewallace6064]

I have an R1T. I use Chargeway as my app for route planning.

[@manuelias86]

@ does Chargeway also tell you how busy is the station? Or you just check on the truck? I’m just curious since I have Chargeway, but I’ve never used it as a route planner

[@sparkfire1223]

Do one calling out the pile of trash that is the f150 lightning software, and app please..

[@Jcesare09]

Cool, I don't care about physical buttons I am not that anal about it, I don't understand people are lol

[@letstrythat00]

I don't care about Android auto or Apple car play. It's not make it break as there are options for phone connections.

[@BK-pc3ei]

It should have Google maps integration

[@darwking8188]

What color R1T is that. With the lighting I literally can't tell

[@riffathas9957]

Its thee green color.

[@curtisbme]

Their iPhone (or post processing) had done something weird to the color to make it look blue. @42:05 lets you see the green that it is.

[@BK-pc3ei]

Touchscreen vent controls are definitely the way to go

[@jameshancock]

Waze data. Sole reason for carplay other than integration with Siri. (tesla, this is stupid I can't long press the voice button and get siri)

[@ST1300PA]

I find that both Waze and Google maps do a better job at routing. Rivian's routing software will often map longer routes that end up using more energy. I always follow Google maps or Waze and let the truck adjust itself as it goes. This is one of the reasons I would love to have Android Auto/Carplay built-in. I use a 3rd-party screen to run AA which also enables me to listen to podcasts and use voice commands/transcriptions for text messages.

[@jameshancock]

@ for me it’s cop detection 😂. But ya if it’s that bad I would too. Tesla doesn’t have that problem.

[@iambenmitchell]

I wish Tesla had CarPlay so I can use Waze on the main screen. It doesn’t have to take over the whole screen, replace the map view with CarPlay when activated is all I’m asking for. People who say Tesla/Rivian should never have CarPlay as an option are morons. You have no idea what’s going to happen in the future. CarPlay updates with your phone. Imagine having CarPlay on a fisker ocean… it would make them going bankrupt not as tough as a pill to swallow. Old Teslas are starting to feel slow and laggy. I recently drove a MCU1 Tesla model S. the navigation takes 10 minutes to load when the car first turns on and then searching for a location takes 2 minutes. My iPhone would do it in 2 seconds. If Tesla had CarPlay it would make the experience better and make the cars more usable for longer. I get that Tesla has been updating cars for many years now, I have a model 3, but CarPlay is a great insurance policy

[@eddycangolf]

No matter how good they make these EVS, the general population doesn't want to pay $100,000 + for a cell phone on wheels that can't even go 325 miles on a single charge of real world range. And this is coming from an EV owner..

[@passionvoile1650]

Come on, r1t can be configured at 100k+, but it starts at 70k and used quad large will be 50k today!

[@daadreeb6582]

Yep. Going the wrong direction on price. As a pre order owner, no way I'd pay today's prices, especially knowing what I know about the car.

[@koepretzel]

Gen 1 Quad was the bargain to get. Gen 2 is just too expensive for few improvements with poor lease rates and high interest rates for financing. Gen 1 is already being quasi-obsolete and will likely just get infotainment upgrades going forward since they abandoned ADAS. R2 needs to come soon in order to save the company since most Gen 1 buyers won't upgrade and they're going to have issues selling enough $100k trucks despite the Tesla haters who want to switch. You'd be better off buying used Gen 1 and save a ton of money or wait for Gen 3-4 when prices will come down. Their atrocious service center experience is why they'll fail. Waiting months to get an appointment is so frustrating.

[@dianewallace6064]

Do u even own a Rivian? How would u know the wait times?

[@miami3863]

Service Center is why they’ll fail? 😂 Rivian just secured billions in investments. Service Center waits isn’t exclusive to Rivian. Nor is it all Rivian’s. My local service center gets me in within 2 weeks. I’m not so confident they’ll “fail” because of their service centers.

[@koepretzel]

@@dianewallace6064 I have 2, '22 R1T and '23 R1S. Been to the service center a bunch of times with the R1S. Rattles, rear lift gate would catch on opening. Rivian paid body shop for interior frame dent from factory. HVAC issues on the R1T and both had their 12V batteries replaced which is the norm. Probably 7 times total in the service center. They even replaced the windshield they scratched while fixing the dash rattles.

[@passionvoile1650]

I don’t have many months of wait time for service and I’m at a location that is stretched and new location is opening very soon.

[@daadreeb6582]

But Wassym was on record a couple years ago stating the Gen 1 hardware was immensely powerful, would allow them to offer all promised features and future proofed .... Hmm, imagine that, he lied.

[@rmkep]

You start off saying you prefer the Rivian software to Tesla and then during demo find number of many awkward issues? For me it's simple, Supercharger network (with proper location of charge port) and FSD make Tesla the clear winner. I just yesterday purchased a new MY and FSD with AI4 and the 110 mile drive from San Francisco to my home east of Sacramento was flawless. Literally never touche the steering wheel with even though there was a lot of highway construction with speed reductions, complex intersections and even an emergency vehicle pull over on the 2 hour drive. I had been critical of FSD on my 2018 HW3 Model X but FSD on AI4 seems to have achieved next level over every other ADAS system. Eyes still need to be on the road while the few remaining edge cases (I encountered none) are resolved but my confidence and relaxation levels made that drive next level. I've driven Ford, Chevy and Rivian with ADAS and for driving around town or long distance drives no other manufacturer is even close.

[@dianewallace6064]

I own an R1T and Ioniq6 and love them both.

[@kqschwarz]

1.49 mi/kWh = 671 Wh/mi = WOW is that inefficient. Holy cow does that prove the expression "nothing in life is free". I guess there is no way to have a larger vehicle, like a pickup truck, and hope for anything even remotely approaching reasonable efficiency.

[@passionvoile1650]

My r1t is above 2mi/kwh. But still indeed not as efficient as smaller vehicle. Physics !

[@keep-ukraine-free]

This video highlights a serious inability of car mfrs to understand what's best for consumers. While software controlled HVAC vent controls look cool and modern, they offer very little more than "coolness" and soft-saved vent positions. Almost no benefit, but too man serious downsides: 4x-10x cost (design, mfg, service), worse reliability, no backup if it fails, uses battery's energy, and system is much more complex (so chance of failure goes up tremendously, due to software bugs, hacking, hardware failures). This is just for the HVAC control, but the same applies to every part of the vehicle. Overall cost of vehicle goes up probably 50% higher if you add everything. Though for other features (like software controlled suspension), we get much better benefits so maybe it/other features are worth it. Back to software HVAC vents, cost is much higher, 4x to 10x higher (for each vent, you need another tiny CPU, CPU/control wiring, 2 motors/2-axis motor, and power/wiring for motors & CPU). Design, manufacturing, and service costs go up massively (manufacturing cost of mechanical hand-moved vent controls are $10-$30 per vent, electronic ones are $110-$200 per vent). Manual vents add $100-300 overall per vehicle. Electronic ones add $1000-$2000 overall, per vehicle. That's why Rivian left the rear vents manual. It's just not worth it. Reliability is much worse, because if any of 10 parts per vent fail, the entire vent becomes useless (since it's impossible to manually control). Over the life of the vehicle, with 6-8 vents, at least one will completely stop working. Repair costs will top $1000 for that one vent. The alternative: hand-moved mechanical vents don't fail. If it does (in 30 years, IF you had that old of a car), it'll cost $200-$300 to repair. That's why Rivian left manual rear vents, as emergency backup if the front ones ALL fail (entire system can fail from 1 component). Electronic vents use the car's battery/energy. Mechanical vents use your hand's energy. They use energy even when you're not re-positioning any vent (since the electronics, CPU, motor use a tiny bit every second the car's on, for every vent in the car). Its complexity massively increases the risk of failure and problems due to bugs, hacking, & hardware faults. OTA systems can be hacked. Wireless (cellular or near-field) controlled systems are much more hackable. Software bugs can reduce the life of components, causing failures. Mechanical vents are so easy to use, manufacture, and replace, so car companies are bilking consumers for an "oh, that's cool" but mostly useless feature. They add $1000+ to vehicle price, and maybe $2000 in future repairs.

[@seahawk2409]

seems laggy .. my Sierra EV Goggle OS is more snappy

[@adamcoughran5230]

There was an update since this video was filmed that increased the speed and snappiness if that’s a word

[@seahawk2409]

@ cool.. good to know 👍

[@dianewallace6064]

Congratulations on your Sierra EV. They look awesome from the videos I've seen.

[@petehelme7714]

honestly, I think some companies simply add too much animation when it isn't necessary.

[@seahawk2409]

@@petehelme7714 yup agreed

[@Sal3600]

Rivian needs to improve the software. Its low fps and laggy.

[@passionvoile1650]

They just did in the update that is rolling out this week.

[@EVPHASE]

Android Auto and Apple Car Play are terrible, why would anybody want that? So basic compared to something like Tesla

[@ulfw]

An hour looking at screens

[@tatatata-l7l]

I don't really like their UI. the color are not very nice

[@miami3863]

I’m fine with it, could definitely be better. But it will change and improve overtime. Telsa’s up until a few years ago was very bland.