Outrage around Mushoku Tensei is Wild! - Responding to Rant on Mushoku Tensei II Episode 23

[@whatthefanart]

If there isn't social media outrage over one or two episodes, it isn't a Mushoku Tensei proper season.

[@SUBHRA38]

Real man.......if there a war isn't happening on tweeter.....you know they didn't adapt the light novel correctly 😅

[@juanmqm6732]

It is what it is, at this point we just gotta prepare our pocorn and enjoy the chaos. Btw how did you put an emoji of Orsted and Zanoba, that's dope

[@whatthefanart]

@@juanmqm6732 I'm a channel member.

[@literallyme5092]

People make it past Paul early on, Rudy being a creep, embrace the character growth, and THEN get mad when Rudy slips up (like all people do) when he is not in a great state of mind. This should be the last great normie filter.

[@JBTYpr]

The real turning point 3😂

[@MrKapucyn19]

I guess every creepy/disgusting moment in Mushoku Tensei, gets redeemed by the events after it. At least for the tourists xD they stop remembering, what kind of characters & world this is. They don't even know what's coming on ahead XDDD

[@andrewsharpe7630]

My beef isn't "I'm mad Rudeus slipped up"; I'm "mad" that the author is obviously contriving his story to align with cliche harem tropes. It doesn't make or break the series for me; I just shake my head at it.

[@shiroufan5401]

@@andrewsharpe7630 I haven’t watched the series yet but the whole thing with him having multiple wives just seems to be there because the author couldn’t commit to Rudy having a single love interest and wanted a Harem.

[@justtye7966]

@@andrewsharpe7630 I wouldn’t really call this a generic harem. The author built up these relationships from the beginning unlike many other harems where they just fall in love with the mc because “they’re so cool and stuff.” You should also take into account that Mushoku Tensei is the “godfather” of a lot of Isekai tropes meaning that it was one of the first mainstream novels that uses its tropes effectively.

[@agustintlugo]

Everyone seems to be forgetting that this is people who think PTSD is a curse of the dungeon. What kind of solution do you think they were going to come up with.

[@mattersondoom]

Also is a world where they see slavery as normal, where people become adults at 15, it's a whole different world with other values and different mind set. But it seems people don't pay attention to all of that, or they just ignored

[@NitehawkGaming]

Literally this haha, they've displayed their primitive thinking and so many other aspects of the series that it is wholly believable that sex being a solution on the table makes 100% sense

[@takedown205productions6]

​​@@mattersondoom... Based on the dark ages of English Europe. In case you didn't know or forgot, William Shakespeare wrote Juliette to be 12, and Romeo 17. It wasn't uncommon for adults, especially nobles, to hit on kids; nor was it not uncommon to see slavery in the 1500-1700's, at least until the end of the American Civil War. A lot of Isekai tends to base itself on the morals of ye' olde' Europe, since it is well documented and often used as a setting for fantasy stories. Most authors tend to stay true to those tropes for their morale dubiousness, and it clearly works.

[@Treacherous_One]

I'm not a therapist, but I'm a keen observer of people. Something I have seen in modern society is that mental illness is rampant in many different forms. But we don't treat it, we are now celebrating it. One of the biggest issues facing people in today's world is that people lack the ability to separate reality from fantasy. Whether it be reading, playing games, LARPING ( I use this term very broadly ) people cannot seem to differentiated where the boundary is from one to the other. Add to that that everyone that can log on to the internet now thinks that are much smarter and more insightful than they actually are and you get people that can barely tie their own shoes trying to argue with doctors over what the best way to treat cancer is, because they saw some blog by a bored housewife that said that eating wallpaper paste cured her. Yes, it really is that ridiculous. Too many people need real help. And they won't get it until we start acknowledging the elephant in the room. The first step is learning to separate reality from fiction. The idea of fiction is its fantasy, a big "what if". If you try to insert real world values, ideas, morality, etc, into fantasy, it stops being fantasy. You may as well just sit around and read the business section of the newspaper everyday.

[@kwebvin9939]

True tho, a lot of things that go on in Mushoku Tensei are indeed bad, but that's because we forget it's in a parallel fictional world, like gee why didn't we complain about Shield Hero and their slaves? Aren't slaves bad in our world? Why are we just teenage students to go to a country-wide war in My Hero Academia? Isn't War bad in our world? Most communities surrounding fiction seem to forget that we read fiction for fiction, not reality, go to Live Action if you want Reality so much, I recommend Live Action Dragon Ball and both Live Action takes on Avatar The Last Airbender if you want realism 😂😂😂😂

[@undeade.t7044]

i totally agree i really don't understand why fans are trying to apply real life morality and ethics to a fantasy world that doesn't abide by real world morals it's like they can't have a suspension of disbelief and they also forget that the series has a medieval society and in medieval society in real life human history polygamy and incest was commonplace

[@gregori-kk8ii]

The problem that I see with this argument of separating reality from fiction is that some of the greatest authors try to tell us something about our world trough their works of fiction. For example the lord of the rings (which also is fantasy like Mushoku) was based on Tokiens experience as a soldier in WWI. The Divine Comedy is filled with Dantes politic views of the world ,is another good example. So I don’t think there can be a complete separation of reality from fiction, just a healthy amount. And in my opinion the best way to enjoy any media is to take what the author is trying to express, combine it with your opinions and experience in order to create a idea with wich analyze and criticize the work. In Mushoku case I think the author really wanted to write about a harem with hot women 🤣. So I think MUshoku is just anothr isekai that serves as a power fantasy for men, one with a really good story and interesting characters, , but it has the some of the same flaws that have been seen in other isekais, so I think it is fair there to be some criticism

[@VirgilHawkinsIs]

Fiction or not, I think ppl are allowed to be mad/disgusted. Just because its fantasy for you doesn't mean other ppl are required to leave their morals at the door. Ppl are allowed to not like this and they are even right to...its on the fans of the series to understand that and not defend the character. You can enjoy the show and acknowledge the characters are fucked. Look at Konosuba fans...😂😂

[@cryodemmorphx1324]

​​@@VirgilHawkinsIsIt's especially because it's fiction that if someone gets mad/disgusted, then they can leave and never come back. That's the mature way to handle it. They don't have to stick around to constantly virtue signal over things that have no actual effect on their life or the whole of reality. At that point, they're just seeking attention and validation on their useless opinion. Fiction doesn't give a damn about how the real world runs. That's the beauty of fiction, so ppl should stop spoiling other ppl's fun and simply move on with their life. That would be a win/win for everyone.

[@memk]

I find this funny as the tourists are WAY more obsessed with "sex" than the fans 😂

[@FrostyMountain-wo3kl]

It’s always sex with them. They project their insecurities onto everyone else.

[@DraGanix33]

Unfortunately it’s not always the “tourist” who is obsessed.

[@thepinktreeclub]

​@@DraGanix33you dont seem to make any point at all, it could be anyone for that matter, in this logic.

[@DraGanix33]

@@thepinktreeclubyes, that’s exactly my point “It could be anyone” Fans & tourist.

[@thepinktreeclub]

@@DraGanix33 i see.

[@InfamyOrDeath-__-]

I avoid all discourse around Mushoku Tensei, this is the only channel I watch about it, because I know I won’t see lots of brain rot comments. I seen so many of these comments during season 1 that I had to just avoid everything, because it was making me so angry. The amount of tourists attached to this series is off the charts, it just attracts so many of these people, and I just can’t interact with them.

[@generalgarchomp333]

it's wild they're still fkin here.

[@InfamyOrDeath-__-]

@@generalgarchomp333Oh really? I haven’t seen many of them, but I haven’t looked too hard, I try to avoid any talking about the series. But I love Andrew’s take on it.

[@robqwert2696]

Pretty based take. Same. I liked his videos and decided to stick around

[@Korubiiii]

Yeah people just love having something to cry about, about as much as they love ignoring things actually worth crying about, too. lmao.

[@generalgarchomp333]

@@InfamyOrDeath-__- i was talking about the people who have problems with the show and don't like Rudy. They still watch the show and whine about it. But yeah I can't blame you for keeping mum about it.

[@hyphont]

One thing bugs me about this discourse, it's ignoring a very obvious thing. There is a major difference between sex with some random harlot, and sex with someone you genuinely love and have deep and long held feelings for. It's right there in the scene. Roxy holding Rudy, her smell and touch relaxing him like no one else there could. He would of refused literally anyone else. There is no way, in his current broken state, he would of been able to get it up for anyone other than his "Goddess". Was the act of breaking his promise wrong? Of course. When you are broken like that, you are not capable of thinking right. Yes he made a mistake. He proves himself to be a real man by admitting it and not trying to mitigate it. He owns the mistake. If being a "real man" is never making a mistake then the world would be devoid of any "real men".

[@mattersondoom]

Exactly, u don't need to be an LN reader to understand all this, the show has done great job in explaining those things.

[@thelegendaryklobb2879]

@@mattersondoom But only if you have a working brain and some maturity. Things that I bet are sorely mising in the people that write comments like the one in this video.

[@akiratachibana7709]

yeah, I hope everyone understand this.

[@yulfine1688]

@@thelegendaryklobb2879 not just that, rudy was also dealing with his first parents deaths and so on, it wasn't just paul and seeing zerith in her state it compounded everything from his previous life.. people really don't understand at all.. PTSD, Bipolar are very severe conditions that inhibit brain function and thinking depending on severity. A common one especially for bipolar is high sex drive and its viewed as a negative way of coping because it is. It's mostly impulsive and the entire thing isn't fully understood because these things are much more complex than what we understand even today.

[@demoulius1529]

I agree. People glossing over the fact that Rudy is going out and telling his wife he made a mistake and he wants to take responsibility for it IS 'beeing a man' is kinda hilarious. Are they even paying attention? Everyone makes mistakes. How you deal with them is what matters. And he owns his mistake and wants to make things right. Also Sephy basicly told him off the gate 'yeah you can have other wives. Its fine' so the only one whos kinda upset he broke that promise is Rudy himself. (and the vieuwer at home I guess) Sephy knew his parents and family line and saw it coming from a mile away xD

[@Gobi_no_inu90]

This topic makes me want to recommend a channel called Psyculturists. They have long format discussions about the mental health of anime characters and how those can actually effect people in real life. Watching the videos has really help understand how truly of a broken person Rudeus actually is and how long it takes for people to actually heal from trauma to how easy it is for those people to experience relapses. PS. I got interrupted half way thru and wanted to recommend the channel cause it's what I've been watching lately. Never in my wildest dreams thought he would name drop them in the video. So just goes to show you should fully watch a video before commenting. Lol.

[@ErisianRomantic]

I love Ed's content. That man is brilliance and pensive joy personified.

[@Sethmacd0]

Ed is great, points out alot of things that people miss.

[@ynvhalc5856]

No way man , I'm a novel reader and that guy makes me feel true anxiety

[@danielwebb5669]

He had a bad take on Paul in season 1 that I really had to skip. Thankfully he was willing to listen to his chat read the light novel chapters that were relevant and changed his stance. He helped me really get a better grasp on why Eris is the way she is and how the characters in MT are better understood if you remove the lens of trope.

[@francisconavarro4251]

Jesus man you don’t have to tell me twice, I’m already subscribed and yeah he is an example of what this show should been looked.

[@AlexisLee1999]

lol thank you for being one of the few normal MT fans. You hit the biggest point I always try to share when talking about this series of “It’s not our world”. Rudeus even touches upon this when they first buy Julie. He’s like “oh wait slavery is a thing here. It feels weird but alright, we can at least help make this girl’s life better” Applying today’s standards to a fictional world that looks like something out of a DnD campaign just ain’t going to work. You morally can disagree with LOTS of things in this series, and that’s OKAY! Rudeus is in a “When in Rome” situation of a culture that is not the one he’s originally from in modern-day Japan. Just because it’s something YOU don’t agree with, doesn’t automatically mean it’s wrong or bad and I wish people could go into more controversial media like MT with that mindset

[@titaniumgamer_10]

So if I was transported to 1700s America and bought some slaves, it would be OK because that's just how the world is right? Just because that's the standard, it doesn't make it right.

[@fishyforyou]

@@titaniumgamer_10 bait

[@davidsamudio3899]

​@@titaniumgamer_10 again that's the mindset of the 19th century onward, in the world of MT if you try to abolish slavery you become an enemy of the country and you will be hunt down 😅

[@zilari3662]

Episode 23 was fine... Rudus was hurting and Roxy was helping the one she loves then becomes his 2nd wife

[@otakuspirit]

Sometimes it's as simple as that. I remember asking my brother (who had finished the WN before I got here in LN) and he said "eh, it's a harem, I'm fine with them all.

[@baibhavchakraborty8398]

@@otakuspirit Sir, do you read A Certain Magical Index?

[@InfamyOrDeath-__-]

@@otakuspiritYes I agree 100% with your brother, I’m fine with them all too haha, but I’m a huge harem fan, I’ve got like 300 volumes of harem manga haha.

[@user-gk6nt5gi5n]

Either way u gotta be a certain kinda Messer up to want to sleep with a married man with a kid on the way.

[@wehrwolf3606]

As a LN reader the only problem is that the anime version was that it could have done a better job of expanded on rudues and roxy relationship after they reunite, rudues would realizes he has feeling for her as more than his teacher and remember slyply words about him having more than 1 wife, then after paul death and this night occur it would have been viewed less as roxy taking advantage of him and more of he already decided to make her his wife but just didn't get a chance to talk it over with slyphy first, not like it have cellphone to call slyphy and explained the situaton before hand.

[@saedo9723]

Welcome to Mushoku Tensei, where flawed people make flawed choices in a flawed world

[@jmangt]

i feel that the affair makes more sense in the anime. cause if youre not in the mood for eating for a month i find it hard to believe you will just go... "s3x yes please". here its more that she seduced him made her think of the relationship between them and all his fantasies and that was the change that made him snap out. it was him getting caught in the moment and getting "everything he ever wanted as a kid from Roxy" that could break the depresion. in my eye feels more like a realistic way an affair like this could go down.

[@antoniestrydom6367]

If that OP interacts with someone that has depression, they might just cause that person to off themselves. I really hope that doesn't happen, as someone that deals/has dealt with depression and has someone very close to them that regularly deals with it and that has themselves experienced very real, very bad trauma, this person is one of the worst kind of humans: "Just don't be depressed bro." People like the OP literally causes the death of people. Edit: OP = poster of the thread Otaku Spirit was reading ;)

[@ArCSelkie37]

Absolutely, the guy is so devoid of basic empathy it's actually scary. I can imagine this fuckwit going up to his depressed friend who's father just died and saying "Stop being a depressed weak little boy, your dad is dead and now YOU have the responsibility to look after all these people... pull yourself up by the bootstraps".

[@danrogers6612]

I've watched a vid reaction with a shrink on eps 23 he said sex would work in that situation.she point out to him she had connections to him thru her love of his parents and rudeus loved and idolised roxy since he was 5 yrs old. Even after sex she continued to support him for the 2 months that it took them to get back to the teleport temple.

[@hhjan594]

Honestly, it's not Mushoku Tensei when it doesn't have controversy. And I'm sure all of us saw this coming from 10 miles away.

[@supersonicgamerguru]

I think the fact that rifujin's changes to make the story acceptable to a "broader audience" backfired so spectacularly is a good thing for the series. It should teach him that these people will always find something to complain about and he shouldn't listen to them. And hopefully the production team will also learn to really push him to justify any anime original changes he proposes.

[@jebes909090]

Nah the web novel has a LOT of unnecessary sexual stuff in that adds nothing to the story. He refined it for the light novel

[@m7mad182]

Wake up The LN wasn't good around this part of the story

[@perismthesped]

@@m7mad182 Just not true

[@hovdeep]

I dont understand why people care enough about a fictional person cheating on their wife to be so mad about it online

[@adriansolitario2664]

Honestly your gripes in this episode is the same as mine. Even the reason for accepting certain changes. First, is the bar scene with geese, liz, talhand and roxy being cut. I can understand they cannot fully adopt certain scenes that is why I was able to be settled with at least the Roxy and Rudy talk where Roxy explained her side. Lots of context was removed but the main key points are in the conversation. Second, is the changing of Roxy taking the initiative as opposed to Rudy doing it. Had a gripe with it, as I saw it as a form of censorship but knowing that Rifujin was involved, it also kinda imply that it was not censorship as it had the authors permission. The only thing I can say is it is Rifujin's story so it his choice to how he wants to present it in anime format. Third and last, is the removal of the hypothetical story of Rudy to Roxy. Like I know it is not important to the grand scheme of the story but it just put sooo much substance to the understanding of Roxy as a character to Rudy. Additionally, they cannot even say that it is not important because they would be undermining the scene of Sylphie asking Nanahoshi about why she thought that Rudy was from the same hometown. Like if Rudy's hypothetical story to Roxy is not important. How is Sylphie asking Nanahoshi about her hometown important? Anyway thank you for the great discussion regarding this "controvertial" episode. Looking forward for more discussion and Mushoku Mondays.

[@IdRatherAnime]

I have to say I agree with you 100%. The LN adds more context, which can give you a better understanding of the characters' actions, but it doesn't change what happened. If I didn't watch something every time a character made a choice I don't agree with, I wouldn't have anything to watch. There wouldn't be anyone on the planet I could talk to myself included because nobody is perfect, and people make some really dumb and stupid decisions. What's important is how you learn and grow as you progress through life.

[@notagoat691]

I really love this video ❤ It really explains everything clearly and this is by far my favourite people who really delves in the characters preferences... The Spiciness of this anime series is what makes me get a popcorn and just ended up watching all of the drama and in peoples thought about this. Since this ep, has released I already expected all of the people, how they react to this... dividing the mushoku tensai community Each of there opinions and thoughts about this is what really makes me enjoyed the series Im excited of what happens next maybe there would be a huge nuke bomb gonna happen... nobody knows😊

[@christiangray7826]

I personally adore this show, and its story. I can’t wait to watch more. I was originally anime only, but for season 2 I’ve watched almost all of the skipped content videos to try to get more info on it. I loved season 1 so much that I went and read the manga, and that’s the first time I’ve ever read any manga at all.

[@4getmenot182]

Read the light novel not the manga

[@killtyrant]

Its almost as if life isnt a fairytale. Emotions are messy, Death is messy. Love can be messy. Its no real surprise that a person can end up making a messed up choice that they may not have done in any other circumstance

[@obscuredsanity]

To add on. It's not called post nut clarity for nothing

[@ronaldking1054]

If Rudeus was having trouble eating through swallowing, he might have also been having trouble drinking. It might not have been zero drinking, but it probably was not what he normally would be having otherwise. Kidneys would not be working very well in that case. I wonder if that was another reason for the change as well.

[@aresrivera9744]

I do think they should’ve stuck to the light novel because it didn’t make the tourist happy it didn’t make the source material readers happy. This is what happens when you try to play both They both end up complain

[@MrWescottX]

Yup in LNs n anime

[@m7mad182]

Heavenly disagree

[@kevinfunk83]

I always put myself in Rudy’s shoes after he’s made the decision I never could’ve. How do I make 2 women feel loved equally? This seems like the biggest challenge in Rudy’s life from my standpoint. Weird that this is where my mind goes?

[@Jakokokoroko]

"UNALIVE" TRIGGER WARNING, read at your own discretion. (I hate having to use that stupid word instead but I'm afraid KZbin might just filter the comment automatically if you use some certain words at times.) Yeah, about the "what if" scenario about what would happen if Rudeus hadn''t had anyone to console him... I'm 100% certain he would have died. The argument that having a wife and a child on the way would somehow stop him from doing that, while seeming rational, is sadly not enough to stop many people from spiraling into utter depression and ********* themselves. Case in point, I had a neighbour who has a huge family with a loving wife, 3 young teenage sons and a daughter and that guy was very loving and happy most of the time. However he seemingly had these depression episodes from time to time... one night he just went into their private garden and ****** himself. If a man with such a loving family can lose himself so much in such a depressive state to stop thinking about the 4 kids and his wife then absolutely every person can succumb to depression and despair if it just hits you in the most tragic way without you having some kind of support system/net to help you out... And even if you have a support system of some kind - it sometimes tragically just isn't enough if the person themselves isn't receptive enough to it. People who are driven that far to the edge of depression just don't have the capacity to think rationally about the people they are going to leave behind, sadly.

[@komocakeps527]

I'm willing to be its because she's a cheating wife and the divorce courts would do everything to steal his money so that the corrupt divorce lawyers gets his money while giving breadcrumbs to the wife which she is more than willingly to get even if it means destroying him. she probably can't wait to jump to Chad's schwing.

[@ncp9095]

Let the bridge burn. We can’t have Mushoku Tensei without Twitter freaked out anyway

[@MrWescottX]

Ikr in this era

[@m7mad182]

Fu¢k em

[@Re_V]

I would've loved to hear your take on Explanation Point's video about Mushoku Tensei where he compares Rudeus to Denji from chainsaw man of all things 😂

[@Corrupted.mp3]

Rudeus saw his father torn in two pieces after protecting him and then his mother turns into a vegetable and people still say that he's "Weak" like what? if you were in that situation would you be all fine and dandy after that shit happens to you? Edit: WooHoo!! happy you covered this

[@bdbandit5636]

It really upset me listening to this post being read, this OP seems to have a genuine lack of empathy, being incapable of stepping outside thier own little box and into the shoes of others. Morally grandstanding like that about the incredibly weighty issue that the episode was dealing with juat show how shallow their thinking is. Dealing with the grief, depression and guilt that Rudy was experiencing isn't easy, especially if those trying to help have no knowledge regarding how to help. Its incredibly different, when i was watching that episode, it brought up so much emotions for me. I lost my first born son as an infant. It was devastating to my wife and I, and i had her with me to grieve with, Rudy didnt, yes he had his friends, but they couldnt understand what he was going through, they all tried in their own way to reach him, but couldn't. In the end it was Roxy who had finally reached him, it might not have been morally right, but it worked. And it saved his life, Sylphie will no dount be hurt by this, but in the end, her husband came back to her.

[@MrGregGrey]

It’s an anime in a fictitious world where magic and polygamy exist. Go to bed with your morality takes smh.

[@MrWescottX]

Ikr.

[@mireisuzakawa4398]

Some viewers can not tell fiction from non-fiction and should leave anime and manga's alone.

[@sandragoodhew2885]

Listen. I would put my life against anyone here as far as shit lives. Highlights, my husband was both abusive and gay, I had two strokes because Pfizer's fucking "vaccine", because I was having to take blood thinners, I had to get an emergency hysterectomy because I was bleeding to death. Those are just the highlights. But I do think that makes me more than able to talk about depression. While I was married, I was bad about drinking water even. I wasn't necessarily trying to kill myself, but I became kind of a lump. I didn't eat unless someone made me, I didn't drink unless someone made me or I started to feel really really crappy, I never choked on my food, but I never saw a violent death in front of me. I can at least say that much. Debilitating depression is a thing. It's insidious, and it's hard to break. I had several years while I was going on depression medicine off depression medicine, bouncing from therapist to therapist trying to get me better. Sometimes, especially after last year, I still catch myself forcing myself to drink sometimes. In fact I can tell you, the only reason I'm still around right now is because of my parents. As soon as they go, I'm afraid I'm just going to stop taking my medicine. If Silphie have been physically there, had been basically a camp woman, which would have been incredibly dangerous and stupid when she was pregnant, but if she had been there she could have taken care of Rudy. She was not there however. She was pregnant. She was not able to travel. There are extenuating circumstances, and I would argue that Rudy's "extra wives" are extenuating circumstances. While I was married to that thing, I would have joyfully jumped the bones of anyone that seemed interested. Hurt and tragedy have consequences. Do not ever talk about what you would do or what someone should have done unless you have been in their shoes.

[@Narwarlock]

The thing that bugged me about this episode isnt any of the social dynamics that most people seem to be stuck on. Its that no one has gotten him a clean shirt, you know, one that he wasnt wearing when his dad died and he lost an arm. Who worries about about fucking him to get him out of his depression when he still is wearing the literal bloody shirt that he lost he lost a father, and an arm wearing. Boy doesnt need to get laid he just needs some new drip

[@MiseRaen]

I think that unlike the other Isekai adaptations, the changes they made here actually is more due to the limitations provided by the format so they need to keep the characters consistent.

[@pumpa244]

i think they shoulve fit the wedding in the previous core and make the labyrinth arc its own season . but still i fear the last episode , poor norn is gonna be davastated , not only her fater she adored so died , her mother is a vegetable ,but rudeus is bringing home another wife... good thing he solved her hating him before because now there would be zero chance

[@TheUndefeatedMeat]

Hahaha i swear i think that was a comment thread i participated in! a lot of the points you made were arguments that the OG commentor was saying and i was constantly replying about how the LN gives context and how they did what they could considering the circumstances. Also with just how much Rudy has been through and how he blames himself for pauls death. But people should stop to realize that they too would be part of the complacent bullying of Rudy with these types of comments. No matter how hard he works they will always blame him when he messes up and say he still is shitty as a person. So a depressed person normally will give up instead. Why work to prove someone wrong who never intended to let you prove yourself in the first place. Who will constantly throw your mistakes in your face while saying you have no excuse for your mistakes The "If i can do it then so can you" mentality while everyone is different. I dont think i would be a shut in in his situation but at the same time i understand it and i honestly cant blame him for his fear. I can only blame him for how he treated the people who wanted to help him. But his trauma ran deep. Everyone looked down on him so he shut out the world. He needs positive reinforcement and guess what a form of that is. Sexual Gratification with someone you love or your crush. Learning your first crush, the person who broke past your fears and broke you out of a shell you have been stuck in for over 20+ years from his past life up till now has feelings for you as well. Whom i might add he also met before sylphie and is the reason that he even met sylphie in the first place. He literally owes every good thing in his new life to her and paul when you break it down. No excuse for cheating, just context for why this makes sense for his character. Im going to rant below in detail about what i remember arguing about with the OP. I also remember saying how the Original poster should never ever use those methods of his to try and treat depression in someone. Forcing them out, a stern talking to, guilt tripping, and then also constantly blaming Rudy for his past mistakes. When he has grown and matured since then but still has some of his trauma. But he makes one bad mistake and instantly he is a "Piece of Shit" to them and has no redeeming qualities. In a way its amazing how rifujin manages to make the comment sections complicit and participate in the bullying of Rudeus. Example for above: Commenters, belittle him, constantly through his past in his face, Hold him to higher standards because of his age despite how he is a man child. he was an eternal teenager in a grown mans body. He refused help yes, but his family also gave up on him relatively quickly. His mom was the only persistent one and eventually she stopped too, but she stopped even entering his room pretty early on. Rudy had nobody who would truly listen to his problems and try to understand him. Nobody to sympathize with his plight. Everyone looks at him as exaggerating and belittling the situation, that or equating the solution to "Just do it" when thats literally the hardest part. You go outside and every smile or laugh reminds you that there are photos of you naked fat, beaten, and dirty. It would always be possible that they saw it and are laughing at him because they recognize him. His worries were warranted and he was bullied because he tried to the right thing. Rudy is a scared boy still and fears death. But people say Rudy is OP he has no reason to not help. Nope he is a glass cannon, OP magic attack power in comparison to the majority of the world but plenty of people stronger than him as a fighter. Plenty who could kill him. Hell without magic he dies much faster. No battle aura either so basically he can dish out massive hits but one bad placed hit can cause his death. I think i remember Rudy being in midair before paul kicked him out the way. the anime did a disservice by having Rudy be standing and just standing there awkward. Perspective is everything. Hydra Body was so large that Rudy up close could only see the bases of the necks and the body with his future sight eye. So when the necks thrashed around of course he only saw the body shaking and quivering weirdly. Realistically Rudy has maybe 1.5-2 seconds to process that info before paul kicked him out the way. the anime makes it look like Rudy was being even more dumb. Sorry for the long long comment people.

[@skinnymatt64]

Great video! My only critique is it can be jarring sometimes when you swap between the quoted comment and your response. Its difficult to tell who's words are whos at points

[@gregoryfolsom7882]

Also, from the party's standpoint (especially Elinalise's) they know how difficult the route across the desert will be, especially when escorting (at least, maybe three?) two non-combatants. Elinalise also would be unsure if Roxy would be able to use the teleportation circle back to Sharia. The possibility that Rudy dies of starvation before they even leave, let alone him being a walking corpse (and defensive liability) on a VERY dangerous road, makes getting him back to a semi-functioning human being paramount. It was a shitty solution to an even shittier problem.

[@RUSE321]

"It's a context, not an excuse" is a phrase that comes to mind for me here. We can understand why Rudeus did what he did, and maybe exercise some compassion, but he shouldn't be excused from the consequences of it.

[@Dreamerlok]

I'm not sure if the Author has the final say in what gets removed and gets added. The producers from what I understand are the ones having the final say.

[@infernotorch5700]

Ive heard and listened to every anime only rant and ive basically resolved my understanding that trying to explain these things that happened like Rudeus being this or that, him sleeping with Roxy while his pregnant wife is in Sharia, or literally every main argument people like to make against thos series that i dont need to point out.. people love to say this series is not about redemption and all and at this point i have no desire to push them to understand the bigger picture of this whole series if they cant see it than you can't make them. I hope Rifugin na magonote can continue this series authentically for those who truly support him. Sending Love out to the true Mushoku Tensai fans.

[@gitrekt3171]

depression is something that is hard to fight sometimes depending the situation. especially something you did that cost a life. if that would be me... maybe i yeeted myself.

[@lidan666]

i fel that by changing it they actually made it less apealing to a broader audiance while also making it worse for the audiance they all ready had these things never work

[@Deadlychuck84]

I'm not aware of people calling Rudy a "giga chad" for cheating on his wife. The closest that I've noticed is that people are praising the story for not pulling punches and themselves not being shamed by liking the act of cheating as a resolution for a problem in the story. I'd even bet that it's because it's not a clean or perfect solution that it's such a compelling one. E.g. Tourist: "Did Rudy having sex and cheating on his pregnant wife really help shake his mental paralysis?" MT Enjoyer: [gigachad face] "Yes." Also, while people do enjoy harems, MT is one of the few stories that his harem makes sense. In terms of setting, circumstances, and what you might call the resolution. He's technically minor nobility (hereditary and later granted), Roxy and Eris feel just as sensible of partners individually as Sylphy, and they ultimately end up taking on different roles in the family.

[@davidsamudio3899]

In the nivel when Eris is already there and she has a girls night with Roxy and Sylphie, she remembered something Sauros said "You can tell the caliber of a noble by how well his wives get along", if that isn't the biggest signifier about how Multiple partners is normal I don't know what its

[@Deadlychuck84]

@@davidsamudio3899 It also explained perfectly why she didn't care that his letter said he had already taken on two wives.

[@Icemanic99]

I also find that a lot of ppl on anime forums like to turn the whole situation personal and about themselves by applying their norms, value and their culture onto an isekai world... The word literally means a different/another world and alot of the cases (not always) they have their own culture and their own set or sets of different values. In this anime if ppl pay attention it literally tells you that it is different. I agree with what otaku spirit says, people really shouldn't give advice on matters they are not qualified to give advice on, especially on matters that relate to mental trauma. Even if you are a professional there is no such recourse within this world.

[@ericrobinson9554]

As an anime only watcher, the fact that Rudy was going to wind up with a harem was fairly evident in the first season alone so for people to be surprised and or outraged by this is a little baffling. But I enjoyed your summary of all the points please keep the videos coming!

[@kimitsudesu]

My complaint is not with the characters or what and why they are doing, but with the author. It's in the author's power to turn the story in any particular direction by steering their characters' actions, provided the sufficient justification and consequences. At this particular point in the story I found character's actions perfectly justifiable, but the consequences I found lacking. Come on Rifujin, where's my divorce arc?

[@deathitself6985]

😂 When i saw Sylphie having thoughts about Rudeus having multiple women before they Even got married during season 2 i started to expect him to end up with more than her And when Rudeus made a promise not to do it that just made it even more clear Making him marry Sylphie first also kind of seems like a move because of her character

[@garyscott9328]

as a LN reader i just didnt like the elinalise,roxy and geese discussion and they didnt portrait very well the state rudeus was...also sex maybe doesnt cure depression immediately but it sure helps especially if you do it with someone you love and loves you back

[@ashrimpcalledhank]

Knowing Sylphie it will Sting but we know she is kind and understanding. When Roxy and Einalis try to take the blame for Rudy, saying they forced him Sylphy will probably laugh at them. and then thank Roxy for bringing her husband home. I think Sylphy would love anyone who honestly loves Rudy like she does, as long as they see the same Rudy she does. as long as it isn't Nanahoshi.

[@hritwikranjan4092]

I have read manga and light novel. Tbh I also didn't like season 2 part 2 as it felt rushed. That's normal for anime but the adaption was so good in season 1. They butchered Norn arc and Roxy overall povs. Paul died is 2 episodes. I declare anime to be worst form to enjoy jobless reincarnation. This discussion was not required if they slowed down.

[@dalonetrombone7811]

What makes Mushoku Tensei great is that the main character is not perfect. Watching him learn and grow adds to the plot.

[@Goldenboy66123]

Rudy is definitely not pathetic that said I don't think we should give a character (who has lived a while btw) soo much leeway because of what happened. Yes, losing family like that is absolutely terrible but it would be naive character perspective wise to assume it would all go perfectly when facing down a threat like that.

[@Ms10000123]

Seeing the bar scene would have been interesting, but I do think the other changes made the writing better. In the anime, Rudy had every excuse to not take responsibility, which makes his choice to honor Roxy way stronger. Also, having Roxy take the lead makes her have more agency. In the end it was the anime that had me read the novel, not the other way around. (I'm still behind, but I have seen plenty skipped content videos.) This was an overall good change.

[@ODST_Parker]

This whole topic hits very personally for me, having lost my own father and having been living with that for a few years now. To be perfectly honest, I know I'd be dead right now if not for my mother still being alive and being the last person in the world I can rely on. Even so, I think about it every day. I never had anyone else who was there with me, no one else who cared that much, and certainly no friends or romantic relationships. I know at least some of what this is like, and what the result can be. I very much enjoy your perspective on this, because it mirrors my own in almost every way. I'm a casual anime fan, an American, even an English dub watcher, so you'd think I'd be the perfect candidate to be one of these shallow, ignorant people who can't get these ideas through their skulls. Thing is, I love to think deeply about these things, and get real value from them. When I see a situation like this, I separate their actions into what's understandable, and what's justifiable. In my view, every single thing that happens here is completely understandable. Rudy's depression, the group thinking of a way to help him, Roxy's willingness to do it, and letting their feelings take over in those moments, despite the hardship which may follow. It all makes perfect sense to me, and I love how the story is playing out. The only thing I do wish they'd kept is more of Rudy's inner thoughts, and the reveal of his place in this world to Roxy. I'm not a light novel reader, but from what I've heard from others, those things could've made this episode even more powerful.

[@fentanyl8755]

I can’t begin to understand how people can’t disconnect from the story and just see as what it really is. Why are people getting so upset? It is just a great story being displayed for people’s enjoyment. I like the idea of just enjoying what an author puts out there for my enjoyment. Side note- where can I find the light novel? I love coming to this channel and watching the content but I would also like to get the experiences first hand.

[@mxss.12313]

35:34 I would pay serious money to see a spin-off episode of Talhand visiting Rudeus at night lmao

[@casualcrusader]

tbh, my opinion of roxy lowered after that episode, taking advantage of rudy like that. i get it was also her way of making him feel better, but most of that motivation was her wanting to be with rudy. if twitter really NEEDS to bash somebody, it shouldnt be rudeus also to clarify, i dont hate roxy, she was one of my favorite characters actually. however, that episode did indeed lower my opinion of her as she was making moves on a guy even after she found out he was married with a kid on the way. i know this world mostly allows for polygamy, but cheating is still a thing in that world as we saw with paul and lilia. that all worked out fine in the end and this probably will too, so its whatever.

[@cahlash]

Sylphie's grandma basically engineered their polygamous marriage.

[@edoardocherubin6783]

Man this is, I think, the tenth video of yours that I watch (And I’m still watching, I’m about to finish it. ~15 mins yet) and…wtf?! Every 5/6 min starts an adv.. And I’m not joking or exaggerating! Never before this happened to me! What’s going on today?? It’s literally impossibile to watch a vid with all this interrumptions!

[@Rotary787B]

Can't wait to see how the tourists react when the Anime reintroduces Eris and brings her into the mix, it's going to be hilarious!

[@deathitself6985]

😭 Thats one of my most anticipated things aswell not just for the epic stuff but to watch people seethe due to their dislike over her and then the whole introduction to the family. I hope they keep Rudeus saying come at me Millis fools 😂

[@ericcook3268]

Hard to believe that people are upset about an imagination world and non fiction people

[@Marcos_Tired]

One point that I had seen and you said yourself, but the thing about how to deal with depression triggered me hard to the point of almost find the original post, ffs, people really don't want to understand what depression is. And about curing with s*x, surprise surprise, s*x is a form of caring, is not just to reproduction... People do connect with s*x. In short, I better not get engaged in those discussions lol

[@christopherflores5405]

back in 2012, i was diagnosed with brokenheart syndrome or Takotsubo Cardiomyopathy. It's a condition where your heart muscles contract involuntarily -- weakening its pumping force. it could have led to a heart attack at random which could have killed me. this was after my father passed away due to colon cancer and right after i caught my GF at the time cheating on me. So it isn't really far fetched to say Rudeus could have died after losing paul and seeing how zenith was after everyone risked their lives to get her. Real people died for less than that in the real world.

[@Nebu2i]

They feel like real people having real feelings and real decisions. they regret things and make mistakes, they feel alive

[@hajimemitsuyoshi3831]

Love the content, bro. I look forward to both your videos on Sundays and Mondays. That being said, I had no problem with said changes and / or controversy with the latest anime episode. Now, me personally, I applaud you for even making a video on this topic at all. It brings me back to the notion that anime isn't for everyone, if you have a problem with what your viewing then you shouldn't be viewing it. Nice videos, man. Keep up the good work

[@BuddyChy]

The discourse on the episode just proves to me that Rifujin was smart to make the changes he made. It STILL has people freaking out, yet they would have freaked out even worse especially towards Rudy and misinterpreted a lot of it had the scene been adapted more 1:1. You, for example, misinterpreted that scene imo and probably still to this day and yet you had far more context than the anime watchers do. At the very least, some anime watchers may have negative feelings towards bothe Rudy and Roxy for their actions here, BUT many of them are probably more likely to still continue the series rather than drop it entirely had the episode been adapted differently. Luckily, we don’t need other people’s vindication or approval for us to know that this is a great series and we welcome those who can understand and appreciate it just as we do. I think the next episode will be good for a lot of people just to see and feel comfortable with how characters react to it all, like Norn and Sylphie, and how they resolve things and move forward so we can look forward to season 4. People will be missing out big time if they drop this series before then.

[@bondsmatthew]

The fact that these characters are flawed means we can have these awesome discussions about them. Rudeus has not and will never be a pure white character or a pure black character. Excuse the pun, but he's a grey character through and through. We can see his actions mirror that of us in the real world and he makes the same 1 step forward and 2 steps back type of decisions all the time

[@ezequielfernandez476]

i had a lot of fun with that post haha i completly agree with you so i have little to say here, if this person wants to drop the anime because of ep23 i think is fine, no person should watch something they dont like but this person takes the "i have the high ground" approach and it doesnt help the argument. side note, people who loves Sylphy dont hate Roxy, i still dont know where you got that from

[@ziphius25]

I think one of the worst things people do both while talking about anime, movies, etc and or real life is to think that depresión its just “being sad” and that the persons can think in a racional way about it, that’s the freaking thing that separates does two mind states, in the case of this “drama” as you say, must people try too hard to puts their own morals on the characters and disregard the whole world development the series did

[@robertsmall8919]

I am a vindictive person it is a character flaw that got me thru a lot of hardships (yes thru them as it can be a fantastic motivator if properly channeled), I hope that person who rights that post gets the opportunity to see if they thru things on their own. Getting out of deep depression on your own or with just a good talk is very difficult or impossible. If a person has lived a life where life does not break them at some point has lived a much better life then they have any right to have, for the rest of us it is not a matter of if but when.

[@gyuunyuu]

Not to mention the trip out of the dungeon took a while too

[@jjnavacool]

I'm kind of old, I know that sometimes you do stupid things, you have to be kind enough to forgive oneself, once you do, you are able to relax your opinions about others. Also most people say they want freedom of religion, but only if those are christian or Judaism based. Elenealyse does explain the issue perfectly, you do you, let me be me.

[@reyobloodfallen5249]

I love mushoku tensei and was very angry for sylphy but i get thats the way the anime was written i think most people would have wanted him to get sylphys permission first but again thats the way it was written i still love the anime

[@Eli1566]

The world Rudy lives in is one where magic is the primary (and usually only) treatment for medical issues. When magic doesn't work, they have no alternative. They are using the limited knowledge they have, to come up with any solution they can. They heard it worked on someone once, so why not give it a try. They seriously don't know any better. It's not that far removed from slapping some leeches on him and hoping for the best. As far as Rudy's behavior goes, it's a massive mistake to assume you know what someone else is going through. Two people experiencing the same trauma can have vastly different responses to it. Even people with the same issues can respond to treatments differently. I also think a lot of people are mistaking his improved confidence for more than what it was. There were plenty of signs he still had some major psychological issues. We was still broken from his previous life, it was just not as crippling. Throw the trauma of this episode on top of that, and it's amazing he responded to any affection at all.

[@WildArmsV]

I agree with all you say. And I dont really care if the author wants Rudeus to have a harem. No idea if you will read this but I am curious on your take about what I will write below. (sorry is a bit long...) I do have one issue though but is not about what happened, is mostly, and maybe I am missing the LN context (I did watch your skipped content video) but, I felt things happened too much because well, the author controlled things to go "his way". Let me first say, I am ok with the author doing whatever he wants, is his story and if he wants Roxy to marry his MC he can do it, I am sure he wouldn't have let Rudeus be with Silphy if he didn't plan that. Also while I agree Rudy should had been faithful, I am actually happy that he is making a harem just because I know that these girls do care a lot for him and they dont seem to care too much to be in that situation. But getting back to the problem at hand, I think is also part of an authors work to "trick" us that things dont happen because of "plot/he controlled stuff", that it happens because it just happened, characters, cause and reaction, etc. As you said, this all happened becaue of the people being there thinking sex is the best cure for that stuff. And yeah, considering the characters I'd agree, none of them is married (I think) and Elinalise is pretty much the most experience with dealing with people being down and we do know sex for her, while she understands is not nice as her to be husband is into the religion, is something she doesnt consider to be some sacred act. And, ok with all this everything feels natural to certain degree that Roxy did what she did, and that Rudy still let himself be taken by the moment, so far he has shown us he is like that. So far so good, maybe if Roxy talked more about his to be family Rudy might have recovered maybe maybe but we can discard this for now as what Roxy did also feels like one natural posibility. But until that point I really see no need to rush the marrying. This is what I feel is kind of rushed, too close to Paul's death. This topic could had been taken out later and I think people might have taken a bit better. Why here why now? Because Roxy would disappear after they are back? I doubt it, she has reason to stay and support Rudy's family for a bit, because Elinalise is worried about Roxy? Sure but she also should know that maybe this is a topic she can bring AFTER they are back, because, as how we discussed, she doesnt sees sex like that big of a deal- this is probably why the authour brough up the Roxy being pregnant thing I guess, now we do have a time bomb... But yeah, it all feels way too convenient, I felt "wow the author really wants roxy to marry rudeus ASAP huh" and this is what I think might cause more people to dislike all these events. - They might not say is directly because of this, but this gives room to people like the one that wrote the comment you read through this video. IMO this would had been much more natural if the author waits until they are back to consider the marrying (After Rudy recovered after having sex). THey could talk about it when they are back home, and I dont know, heck, marrying Roxy might be even something proposed to Rudy by Sylphy after seeing how they treat each other, and this would be an easier way to show people like the one you are reading the comment from, that this is a different world, with different culture, and wifes *can* be ok with this. Thinking about that, it frustates me a little as why the author had to rush this so close to the sex scene, and this is what I dislike, I dont want to think about the author doing X or Y because he wants but I want things to feel natural because of the characters and situation. There really was no rush to marry them now, maybe 3 months later after they are back and it can all start if he notices Roxy belly, I dont know xD. Anything but guilt-tripping into getting married before meeting his wife after losing his fater.

[@deathitself6985]

I can answer one point is Rudeus himself is the kind of person to rush into things. Consider what he did with Sylphie She told Sylphie he loved her while his thoughts were "I wonder if i never told Eris i loved her back then i dont want a repeat of that" she then cured his ED he went to meet Ariel she asked what is he going to do he marries her. It didn't take long Here Roxy is saying things like normally you wouldnt like someone like me i took advantage of you. Ill Be your left hand for the trip save your care for your wife etc parly to take guilt upon herself. Roxy would leave with the others Rudeus knows she is that kind of person job done im going. Also there is an actual important plot point on Roxys and Rudeus relationship that will be shown later on

[@JKKoneofakind]

All moral quandaries about what takes place in the episode aside, I think there is something really poetic about the way Rudeus, while mourning the loss of someone he cared about, ended up doing the same thing they did. I'm Anime-Only (with some cut-content discussions, like this channel), so please keep that in mind if you respond to me. .. .. .. All the way back in Episode 4 of Season 1, we found out Paul cheated on his wife by sleeping with Lilia. All that time he spent criticizing Paul for being a scumbag, and despite this, he ended up doing the same thing. Now, granted, the circumstances were very, very different; Lilia slept with Paul for pleasure, while Roxy slept with Rudy to drag him out of his depression, but the results and consequences were the same. Rudy cheated on his pregnant wife with another woman, while Paul cheated on his pregnant wife with another woman. Paul, with all his faults aside, did the best thing he could do at that time, which was to come clean with his family about what he did with zero hesitation. That being said, Paul didn't have a choice, everyone knew at that instant. .. So, with the anime (for now, at least) not mentioning the potential pregnancy that resulted from Rudy's infidelity, we have a situation where Rudy will come clean to Sylphie about what he did, without seemingly being forced into doing so by the surprise pregnancy. Had Lilia not become pregnant with Aisha, Paul would have never come clean to Zenith, but it's clear here that Rudy intends to come clean to Sylphie, even without the ticking timebomb of a soon-to-be-obvious pregnancy. They both cheated on their wives, make no mistake, but it's the details where they really start to differ. Paul cheated on his wife in their own home, and intended to keep that secret forever. Rudy cheated on his wife in another continent while mourning the death of Paul and the tragic condition of Zenith (which could be interpreted as the death of both of his parents), and immediately turned around and resolved to take responsibility and come clean about it without being forced to. .. Then there's also the fact that there was an entire conspiracy operating behind the scenes to get them to sleep together lmao.

[@TheLeAlan]

It's funny how people get this FICTIONAL story in a FANTASY world so seriously and over-emotional. 😄 Also I don't like the narrative as "He should do this or that" or "She was wrong about this or that...", because... they have no choice. It is entirely up to the author how things go. Stop treating fictional characters as real. It's more reasonable to say "Rudeus actions should have been portrayed in this or that way", but again, people are looking for perfect solution in a story and world that in its concept is imperfect. As Otaku Spirit mentioned, this not one of another hundredth clone of isekai where MC is always perfect, always right and everyone loves him for absolutely no reason (or a shallow reason). If what happens in this show makes you feel uncomfortable, in my opinion it means that the show is doing a very good job! It is supposed to be like that=, but at the same time it makes you curious to what will happen next as a result of this or that. This is why it is imo absolutely very top isekai.

[@buckaroobonsi555]

I have had plenty of girlfriends that where ok with me seeing other women. My wife is also fine and has encouraged me to see other women just not to embarass her and not to make it public. I have not done that but that is me. I would have a problem with it. So for other's to force their bagage on a fictious character in another world is just sad. Rudy does not have clinical depression it is more like PTSD and and a break with reality. Depression and disolushionment(sp) are total different things.

[@Marcos_Tired]

I may throw a little rant about this discussion: To me is Just that people aways projet they way of thinking, when judging this kind of situation... Like, monogamy is not even the standard in mushoku tensei world. The only thing that I may think is relatively valid to criticize, is that rudeus promises to Sylphe about being loyal just to her, but that is not set in stone and as long as he communicate with her about the new situation, then I don't see the problem. Is not like he's going to abandon her with he's son the be newborn baby. If he truly loves all the tree wifes, then it's absolutely fine. Now, my only criticism about non-monogamy being portrait in fiction, is that only the guy is having more than one person, but well, maybe that's why we just call it polygamy. Note: I'm a non monogamous person, myself. Not polygamous, for I truly don't see the problem with someone loving more than one person.

[@NoobyBoy81]

dosent Luke mention at some point that there are some women who have multipal husbends too its just that its not as commen

[@Marcos_Tired]

@@NoobyBoy81 Now that you mentioned, I remember he saying something like that, yes.

[@MattRoadhouse]

Paul would do it again in a heartbeat. He regarded Rudeus as a prodigy and 100x what he was. It wasn't even close when thinking the cost/benefit analysis. Rudy really made him feel his shortcomings even more, which had strained the relationship at times. Roxy ... she definitely had motive and best interests at heart ultimately, but also knew she may get rejected due to the complexities at home. It is a little weird though, older teacher, younger student. Her other life and memories were a 5-7 yo lol.... but I think that's why she was sort of disconnected from seeing him as Rudy Rudy was more than "in love" with Roxy. He literally had her panties enshrined. Goddess-tier 11:30 - there is an energy (mana) transfer with sexual intercourse. Also the fuel for the gateway of bringing a new soul in to the physical realm. :)

[@terrancecloverfield6791]

The Hikaru Genji plan was a success!! On your note, I am willing to put aside my own morality because this is their world and their rules/customs. Roxy is pretty old by their standards so who knows.

[@MattRoadhouse]

@@terrancecloverfield6791 Yeah we learn more about that age difference and physical maturity when they visit her home

[@chicopatata33]

im surprised his breaking point wasnt S1 ep 2/3 when Lilia became a homewrecker

[@Taski13]

Very informative video yet again on some insight to this great series, it both pains me and gives me enjoyment learning information on what was skipped in the episode. I looked at the first 5 to 10 comments and I'd have to agree for the majority of what's already been said, so I will just say this again, are you ever going to consider doing a room tour of your awesome collection and what are those display boxes on top of the or Ikea detolfs?

[@RadioRentalx]

The thing is, it may be a morally wrong move in our era and world but if you look into the past and if they know that this is on a fantasy medieval times they should know that our morals doesn't match to their morals. I mean look at Eris' granpa who just do it regularly with the beastmen. Even just look at Paul. This is still wrong, but you can see that thge morals are that different.

[@D0TperiodD0T]

tbh don't use twitter ever. I check that shit occasionally to support some artist friends, every time I go outside of my curated list of people I actually give a fuck about I get extremely angry. I am not an angry person, I am extremely chill, that website is genuinely just scientifically concentrated anger bait.

[@xDavid831]

I think people forget that this is a ISEKAI. Its a fantastical world that has REAL LIFE IDEOLOGIES and other tendencies that makes it feel so close to home but it’s an animation at the end of the day. The era of this FRANCHISE is based off the medieval era which signifies how different times were back then. There was HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS of relationships that were polygamous and/or with strictly one partner. It all just depended on financial situations, statuses and etc. We’re in such a soft ass time because people nowadays are more adamant on the fact that you can only be with one person in a relationship (which i agree, thats how it should be) but ridicule others who don’t follow it to the teeth. They gaslight, they cancel you. Its toxic. All that crap doesnt belong in anime. Any of that real life ideology doesn’t belong in anime. I have so much more to see about this but it would go on and on and on. And I very much agree when you talk about the depression point where you break it down to those regular folks out there who bash at Rudeus for having a weak mind. EVERYONE GRIEVES DIFFERENTLY. NOT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME MINDSET, VALUES, OPINIONS, ETC. People nowadays have no common sense nor empathy.

[@jl644]

That guy who made this comment is virtue signalling. Seriously though. Humans aren't perfect, especially Rudeus. Everybody has broken morals.. And the guy who's criticizing Ruideus's actions have no idea what he's talking about. It's a Novel sets in a volatile setting... Try lose an arm, a father and a mom who can't remember herself after a tragedy... LOL Sex is the only thing that will work and even if you're married. And it's up to your wife will understand.

[@izuzuzmi]

Everyone should calm down and have some empathy I think what upset me a lot is that a lot of the people who trash talk the show only do it because they never read the novel

[@expchrist]

Twitter is not the anime community.

[@mouradmarzouk8229]

some times its very very clear that people don't know what depresion is and have never suffered from it. Forget actions of wrong or right you won't even be able to comprehend that you need to keep yourself alive! Nothing makes me more mad then stupid people who have this stupid mentality of "just get over it".

[@zXDaishiXz]

I love how they changed context to make it more appealing to a wider audience... But this just pisses them off the puritans more. This feels like such an unintentional troll xD, I would have preferred it be accurate to the source, but if they're mad... It makes it even better :}

[@ssjtruncks90]

Them doing it isn’t really what got me. It was that he didn’t tell Roxy about him being from other world. Maybe they’ll cover that later or for the anime maybe he’ll tell all his wives at the same time later on. Just get it all out of the way in one go kind of thing.

[@wehrwolf3606]

Everyone like "Poor sylphy" "I can't believe Roxy did that" they are look at it from the wrong view. Rudues need consoling and slyphy wasn't there if he was left alone he probaly would have pass away or be so weak the he would have die on the journey back, what would have slyphy done if rudues didn't make it back for that reason, She would have been angry with roxy she would have said "Why didn't you try help him" "Didn't you love him also" "He need you to be there for him and you abandon him, rudues woudn't have don't that to you" along those lines.

[@84ganta]

im goin insane...im reliving the re:zero "subaru is such a crybaby" thingy allover again(when he yelled at emilia after the julius duel)!all the kids really get pissed off when the story shows the flaws of the mc!i dont know why they dont just stick to the million op-mc isekai out there....

[@justintime5504]

Listening to the moral high horse this person puts himself on is quite unsettling. I 100% believe people should have the right say whatever they want. To put your morals and mindset (which I personally feel are a bit over dramatized) on a fictional character and feel like the character is in the wrong is petty. If you think Rudy sleeping with Roxy was bad I can't wait till you find out what happens later on 😂😂😂

[@saliver5909]

Lack of empathy. These people only cared about their own values because "it's all about me and what I think." That's why they force their views on others and any disagreement is faced with "oh so you are evil" regardless of context and situation. They hate people disagreeing with them because it hurts their little selves. I think Rudy is better than these people because he chooses polygamy "to make others happy" or, to be specific, make both Roxy and Sylphy happy, not fulfilling his own selfish lust.

[@riddler9884]

Whoever posted that is going to have a fit this weekend.

[@MrWescottX]

Indeed

[@edwardmoreno60]

I liked how it was done. Like clearly he had strong feelings for those women. They are integral to his life. Roxy saved my man, her underwear literally kept him alive. I think what makes this ok is the genuine love he has. Not just lust. Ppl act like roxy is a random girl that showed up out of nowhere.

[@rf7182]

Mental age is not the same as physical age, Rudeus from the previous world has 30+ physical age but his mentla age is under developed, only at teenage high school level because of school bullying. His physical age is reset when he died and reincarnated, and his mental age is still the same. But, his mental age start develop after Roxy cure his PTSD. Rudeus mental age finally reach young adult when he study in Ranoa Magic Academy. The law regarding polygamy in the Mushoku Tensei clearly states that the Millis religion only allows one wife. However, Sylphiette, Rudy, and Roxy are not adherents of that belief. We cannot judge them based on our standards or beliefs. We have to use their PoV

[@josephguerassio6680]

Depression is a difficult thing. Thats why you see alot of people turn to drugs and self harm. When you are in that state of mind you are not thinking "normal". Humans are flawed and the show is doing a good job at showing how gray the characters really are when it comes to morality.

[@vipernest2136]

I have to laugh at all these people getting mad at an animated fantasy story, so asinine. If it makes people feel better, Rudy did not cheat on Silphy and no baby will be born since they are drawings or words on a piece of paper.

[@deathitself6985]

😭 People get so invested into stuff its funny