7 Ways Assassin’s Creed 3 Let Down its Hero, Connor

[@outsidextra]

Is Connor not your cup of tea? Ellen sits with Eurogamer's Tom Phillips to discuss why Assassin's Creed 3 let him down. 🏹🦅🇺🇸

[@TheAntiTrope]

When will we get an Assassins Creed with Ellen in it? 🤣 Or a Hitman with Andy, Jane and Mike as targets. Somebody get on this! Edit: Andy, Jane and Mike I love you all, but you guys are such perfect Hitman target material 🤣. Rival hitmen maybe, Andy "The Professor" Farrant, Jane "The Fer-de-lance" Douglas and Mike "Killing the Target is a Bonus" Channell. IT WRITES ITSELF!

[@daniellockley-smith9766]

You should do more videos like this i enjoy ellens enthusiasm for assassins creed, you could discuss all your facourite moments from the series.

[@MrUkraider]

Poor Connor, i was a fan of his story, but the way he was treated by the rest of the game did not do him or Haytham Kenway justice in my opinion. Also the Washington bit of the story with the dlc got a little bit out of control. But this game did introduce everyone to the ship combat that would make Black Flag so good and invigorating to the series as a whole. Im with you Ellen and Tom, (love your work btw) But Tom did forget the worst game in the series was Unity, because it was broken and the online/co-op did not work properly, just saying.

[@buffaloSoldier519]

Outside Xtra can’t tell if this was about Connor or you folks passive aggressively shitting on our history and land.

[@bradleythomas9617]

As a Haudenosaunee person (the same as Connor) I really liked Connor and AC3 in general. I understand the problems with the gameplay, and I do think they leaned into the sterotypical stoic indigenous person a bit too much, but in terms of representation it was really well done. The themes of colonialism and it's negative impacts on indigenous people as well as dismissing the idea that our people were not civilized before settlers came was very well developed. Also with what you were saying about how Connor was jerked around by the Americans and the British is kind of reflective of how Indigenous people have been treated throughout history. The dev team also did really good work and research with our people, the fact that the game actually had Mohawk in it with Indigenous voice actors was great, and the encyclopedia stuff on our culture is really good. Also Connor is to my knowledge the only Haudenosaunee main character in a video game which is great. P.s. sorry for the essay

[@jobothan1832]

He might not be some peoples cup of tea, because he helped throw away a large amount of the stuff.

[@gadgeteer_blue7813]

Well played.

[@reyqueenie]

Connor saw that it was the cheap, crappy tea. So really Ellen, he did y’all a favor... xD

[@darkstar4341]

If this doesn't get mentioned in Show of the Weekend (Next weekends of course, due to PAX) I'll be almost as disappointed as I was with Connor!

[@Bob_bob563]

Damn brits

[@Bob_bob563]

Dingus dongus on my bongus

[@Mr-Rinn]

Connor is idealistic but somewhat grounded (by the end anyway), he’s a bit of an outsider, he’s socially awkward and he tries to be honourable. I identified with that quite well.

[@aurorajipa9802]

Same so one of the reasons I love him

[@ghostderazgriz]

Same

[@mylightobscures]

Something they said about how he was always on the front lines and in the open vs Ezio being in the dark kinda reminded me of one of the things that made me like him so much: I just thought he was more of a super hero than an assassin with how he operated in the public so much-- hiding in plain sight and yet not.. really hiding that much, just kinda doing his thing I dunno, it just kinda resonated with me lol And honestly, until I saw all the videos and comments about ppl disliking him, I'd never even considered that there was something wrong with him It just made sense for him to be the way he was, and, if there were ever things that I didn't like, I could always tolerate it enough until I reached a point of enjoyment again

[@phillysfinest41883]

I related to him perfectly well.

[@aaronsanborn4291]

Connor also sees himself more as a soldier on a mission and not as a shadow manipulating things in the dark

[@orionslaver432]

I replayed Assassin's Creed III last year and I came to the realisation that it remains probably the series' most underrated game.

[@baseballjustin5]

We'll see what they did with the remaster today

[@jacobbenns6090]

I liked AC3, and mildly enjoyed unity, but I maintain that rogue is the most underrated game in the franchise

[@jacobbenns6090]

I liked AC3, and mildly enjoyed unity, but I maintain that rogue is the most underrated game in the franchise

[@andyfoster8011]

The story was so good imo, never understood the hate. It was the map and the gameplay that let the game down, there wasn't much fun with free running through forests and the buildings were only two three stories. There wasn't any battles like what was advertised in the trailer that got the game the most hyped which I think a lot of the fan base thought was a let down during a setting like the revolution.

[@glaserdonut7922]

Jacob Benns Rogue was quite a good game but the fact that they didn’t add the hood to his outfit pissed me off. Through out the whole game I was expecting to unlock it but NOPE

[@porkeywings]

Never had a problem with Conner, he was different from Ezio but after 3 games it's was refreshing to play as a protagonist with different personality and motives

[@souvikbose8583]

you mean no personality and one motive (kill Charles lee)

[@souvikbose8583]

@Bobby Papoutsis you don't need to be flamboyant or charismatic to be a good character, case and point bayek from origins...what you do need is an emotional spectrum unlike connor who has one emotion

[@souvikbose8583]

@Bobby Papoutsis again, considering the fact bayek was well received, your argument about people wanting a character like Ezio is straight up wrong, Altair as a character was also pretty bland, unless you play revelations. all the grief in the world is not an excuse for a one dimensional character and you are certainly not gonna tell me, between 4 years of age and meeting achilles, he had no one to share his grief with, especially since he had friends and other tribe members. grief might make you sad and angry, but that can never be the only emotion your character has, this is exactly why home stead missions were the best part of connor's story...he lacks the depth a character should in the rest of the game

[@untypebanalsuryoutube8076]

@@souvikbose8583 bayek was well recieved because ppls liked origins, exploring egypt, the new gameplay and all this stuff, they inconciously associate a good game overall with a good protagonist but bayek was absolutely average in fact. But that's also the reason that makes ezio being so loved, many peoples simply can't understand how good ezio is but they enjoyed ac2 back then (same thing as origins, truely refreshing and awesome game for its time). The main difference between ezio and bayek is that i can write a book about why he is good and this only in ac2, then 1 for brotherhood and 2 for the older ezio from revelation, i can't really do that for bayek, a few good things about him that's sure but litterally so many bad things making just at the end an okay character, i enjoyed playing origins but i will never in 10 years say to my self "let's go back playing ac origins" because in 10 years games will be so much better graphically, be so much bigger and interesting to explore that origins would be such a downgrade and unfortunatly, its story and characters aren't good enough for making this game worth playing in 10 years. I won't go as far as saying that origins was a waste of time and money, in fact it wasn't, i have put 200 hours into it, eploring, free roaming etc but it can't be legendary with such an average story and character.

[@UnlimitedGreenWorks]

@@souvikbose8583 i swear the writers of AC3 fucked up big time.

[@voyagerofdoom]

Connor is my favorite Assassin and easily has my favorite story in the series. He's trying so hard to be idealistic and good in a world and time period/historical conflict where it's so damn grey. No one is purely good or evil and it's constantly going against and challenging his beliefs, but he's so locked into them even when he's loosened from his naivete he still believes and fights because he knows there's something better ahead, even if he won't exactly get to see it happen. Connor gets let down by everyone, talked down by everyone, and in the end eventually shows that unlike the experienced men around him, giving in to the seemingly inevitable end isn't always the way to go, that there IS still some kind of justice in the world no matter how small. Connor doesn't give up in the face of those who tell him it's not worth his time, and that speaks even harder now than it probably did back in '12. Connor's hardheaded because he stands by his beliefs, and hates to see such blatant hypocrisy from the people who don't have the greater good as their interest. Assassin's Creed III (and really, the colonial saga from III to Rogue) was the strongest the narrative has been for the franchise. The Ezio Trilogy is fun, and I love Ezio, but Connor did it more me more and since until we had Bayek.

[@adamslaroth6284]

Bayek was the equivalent to Connor except he fought because an innocent died for no reason not for his belief

[@youngbaimani5409]

same

[@ShinobiSparrow-tv]

Ah I see you’re a man of culture as well

[@ClaimedMinotaur]

Plus I will add: Ezio's story felt more like an epic, whereas connor's was more akin to a tragedy. People tend to like epics more than tragedies.

[@Heavenlyhounds96]

People can enjoy a tragedy too if it's done well, (Hamlet, Romeo & Juliet, war movies). Connor's was not.

[@ClaimedMinotaur]

@@Heavenlyhounds96 I never said people don't like tragedies, I said the like epics more. Think of it like a movie, it's a lot easier to watch action movies with a little drama than it is to watch tragedies with a little action. People tend to prefer movies that make them feel good. Plus I actually thought the story of AC3 was one of the best in the series. I enjoyed Black Flag, but it's story was all over the place and quite boring at times. But AC3 made me think and feel like the other games just haven't done since.

[@Heavenlyhounds96]

@@ClaimedMinotaur understood and yeah. AC4 was fun but it was like Coherent story? What's that? LOOK. Blackbeard!

[@Outlaw7263]

Ac 3 feels a bit like the movie the patriot

[@KeybladeMasterAndy]

They didn't seem THAT different to me, but I'm not picky.

[@obblivionkr]

Connor’s my favorite in the whole series! He’s a much more subdued character than the other protagonists, and isn’t the most open with his feelings in front of others. But that doesn’t mean that his character is any less developed than the other characters(except ezio maybe, because he had three games to introduce himself). I feel like he would work much better with a book format because you can explore the character’s inner thoughts a bit more, stretched over a longer period of time. Also loved the game’s more... “middle-ground” approach of the American Revolution. It did shy away from some of the details, but it did show that the American Revolution isn’t some fully moral, fully glorious one, and how it in the end hurt many other people.

[@kombuchas4684]

I LOVED the ending to AC3. Connor sees the American people celebrating after winning against the British, throwing their hats in the air, hugging and dancing. Connor absorbs it all from afar and looks to his left where he sees three black men being auctioned off for slavery. He shakes his head, as in disappointed in himself and everything, and walks away. That is how the game ended. No big speeches, no big closing, just a quiet moment that wraps up the whole thematic purpose of the game so beautifully. Connor fought so hard for freedom and in a sense he "won." But he knew at the end it wasn't enough. He won at the cost of so much. The people he fought so hard for not only forced his village out but is also enslaving black men and women for manual labor. I just love Connor and his character and his writing so much. If you ever want to chat about AC3 let me know because it is one of my favorite games.

[@ariffahmi3051]

@@kombuchas4684 yassss, looks like we're definitely on the same boat

[@RIPjkripper]

Here, here!

[@marcos021]

Same here

[@zicyzacbonanza]

I think he was a very different character that was quite true to the background and culture they were aiming for. Plus he's trying to achieve a personal goal against specific people and gets stuck between two groups that clearly don't care about him and his tribe but it's necessary to achieve his goals. He has a small focus but everything around him is trying to be more Grand and epic than he cares for and he knows his family and group will be ignored regardless of the winner of the war.

[@luispagan9170]

Comparing Ezio to Connor is unfair. We saw Ezio from birth till death. We saw Connor as a child and as a naive young man but we never see him grow. After AC3 he matures and becomes a very deep character but we don't see that in the game. Plus Ezio and Connor's circumstances were way different.

[@IMTHATN1NJA]

Luis Pagan yeah I completely agree if you wanna compare ezio and Connor you gotta do it with the time line of ac 2 and then with ac3 tryna compare them with all of ezios games and lifespan vs Connors maybe early twenties isn’t fair.

[@MDurr-bv5zr]

Look up Connor forsaken speech

[@izuqh9884]

I disagree because most people like ezio BECAUSE we see so much of his life

[@thornslow]

@@izuqh9884 Can you read or no?

[@izuqh9884]

@@thornslow at the beginning he says: 'comparing ezio to Connor is unfair' that's a statement I disagree with. So I replied saying I disagree with my reason for why I disagree. Now the question is: can you read or no?

[@garra2756]

This is more about how 'bad' Connor is as a character and not "7 Ways Assassin's Creed 3 Let down its hero, Connor". I am hearing more complaints than critical discussion on the topic and the Character. I like Connor and Ezio as Characters. If we had gotten Connor who acted like Ezio I wouldn't have enjoyed the game as much. People are not all the same and Connor's story is a reflection of his character. He lost his mother to a murderer, his home was burnt to the ground, Native american people were treat like dirt, and not to mention Connor tried his damn best to protect what was left of his home. He is more intense, driven, and serious than Ezio was.

[@spoodurmin9742]

Absolutely

[@allegiance8243]

What do you expect this whole video is awkward and feels like they’re just trying to find things to say the whole time lmfao

[@grom4818]

yeah people just had arbiter/raiden syndrome

[@lennymosca9099]

Assassin's Creed 3 is game that got me interested in the Assassin Creed trilogy and I enjoy the character of Connor I thought he was up with fantastic is a main character so much to save his our people all the pieces Juno had manipulated the situation from the beginning that sucks worse than everything else and was responsible for the death of I was best friend any failed to save his tribe and people that makes him a tragic hero

[@smileyn7377]

Don't forget later in life he's forced to kill his childhood friend and his father as well. Also witnessing his mother die again in the alternate timeline caused by the Apple of Eden causes more damage to his psyche.

[@Mazicek]

Connor is the name of Achilles' dead son. So it makes perfect sense to name him like that.

[@ulfberht4431]

Mazicek IKR! You’d think for AC fans the commentators in the video would’ve mentioned that. But nope, their incompetence strikes again! Moral of the story: you don’t need to do research to be make YT videos about video games, you just need to look pretty and sound authoritative.

[@nicocee2431]

That was lazy writing. We don't even know there's graves there until AFTER the credits. The game was finished already

[@ulfberht4431]

Nico Cee How exactly is that “lazy writing”? I don’t think you used the correct terminology

[@nicocee2431]

@@ulfberht4431 what would you call that? They just throw Connor Davenport grave to your face to give "Connor" name weight, after the game ends. You can't learn it on your own, so you can't have your own perspective about it. The cutscene shows it out of nowhere to make you think "oh he really misses his son :(" instead of making you reflect about Achilles. Lazy backstory

[@ijwd424]

Tbh it doesn't make sense for someone who's supposed to pass as a spaniard to be named connor lol

[@samdilks9516]

Ratonhnhaké:ton is my favourite AC protgonist tbh, always has been. ezio always struck me as kind of a smarmy jerk and edward is fun, but he's just so obsessed with treasure that by the end of the game i was genuinely getting sick of him. Ratonhnhaké:ton has a clear goal (destroy the templars and defend his tribe and people) and starts out flawed and doesn't end up perfect. he's quiet, serious, and reserved in ways that make much more sense when you remember that he's having to talk in his second language, which is why his dialogue seems stilted sometimes. Ratonhnhaké:ton is also brash and aggressive and doesn't always think things through - but unlike Edward he's still a teenager, and unlike Ezio he's a teenager for pretty much most of the game, so his behaviour makes way more sense, compared to Edward - again, fully-grown man with a wife who ran away from home to be a pirate - and Ezio - a young man who went through some similar troubles, but had an uncle and various other family members and friends to help him along. Meanwhile, Ratonhnhaké:ton has a dead mother - an event that obviously deeply troubled him and traumatised him - an abrasive old man for a mentor, a father for an arch nemesis who (SPOILERS) he ended up having to kill, and a best friend and tribe (SPOILERS) who he also had to kill and who moved on to a completely different region to get away from the encroaching western world. His youthful idealism and belief of moral black-and-white is one of the few things that stays with him throughout the whole game, and while assassin's creed 3 presents the templars in a more balanced light, Ratonhnhaké:ton is never punished for his ethos, just his methods, naivety, and impatience, which he does eventually learn to curb. He's not a perfect protagonist, and that's exactly why i like him so much. Don't you dare talk to my son ever again.

[@chriscormac231]

Ultimately out of all the protags he's best because he's a flawed human being who we can really relate and get emotionally invested in

[@EonStormcrow]

Just want to point out that by the end of AC3, Connor was about 30 IIRC and in AC4, Edward was 18 when he left to be a privateer. From what I can remember from the novels, games, and my own computations of the dates anyway.

[@tawfikkayed4975]

I honestly don't know why the hate to this particular AC protagonist, I agree with what all you guys said, he's one of the sadly underrated AC characters, personally, he's my favourite

[@connorbeard8691]

I love you now

[@TheEnvy1992]

Perfectly said Sans

[@Lindsek]

Haven’t watched the vid yet but I clicked SO FAST bc Connor actually is my fave (I really, really like the Kenway Saga in general including Haytham and Edward) and while I get some of the criticisms of AC3, it remains very close to my heart. I’ll take any remotely positive mentions of it these days, and I’ll always believe Connor deserved better, from everyone.

[@thetardyowlvg9155]

I loved Connor so much. He kind of reminded me of Altair, who is my favorite, in that he wasn't charismatic, or smooth, or out to get ladies. He was a man on a mission, he was focused, he was complex, and I loved every moment of his story.

[@mr.mercury3424]

Connor was so appealing watching as he grows

[@tcchip]

I found AC3 to be rather disappointing, and I preordered the game with the full set of encyclopedia and graphic novel. It started off well with Haytham's story, but most of the game missions were bland compared to its predecessors. It's the same with Liberation actually. On paper both AC3 and Liberation were very much along the same lines as AC2 and Revelations, but the actual missions were much more boring and repetitive, with less of the great free running missions from Brotherhood, for example. I don't actually hate Connor's character, but he wasn't anywhere near as interesting as his father was. Altair was a pretty brusque character as well, but at least they took the time to actually flesh him out.

[@kombuchas4684]

Lindsay, we gotta chat. I have never met another Connor enthusiast and I have so many thoughts 5 years after I first played the game.

[@ct_devoid]

He was my favorite. All that was depicted with him was totally in line with his origin and inheritance to me. ~shrug~

[@raymajackio8368]

When the video commemorating Connor turns into them repeatedly saying how good Ezio is

[@yunoisreal757]

ikr?

[@nothing2057]

One can never do better than it's predecessor when it's predecessor is The Ezio Auditore da Firenze

[@reyqueenie]

Because Connor is not Ezio. Problem solved lol. Poor guy...

[@thejason755]

Thats the point though. They wanna talk about how connor drew the short stick in terms of AC protagonists, but comparing him to other AC protagonists inherently puts him at a disadvantage.

[@reyqueenie]

Fair enough. Ezio we spent multiple games bonding with. Connor was just one-and-done.

[@313rooted]

Also everyone forgets that Connor won video game character of the year at the game awards the year Ac3 came out

[@VictorDude98]

No we just want to forget it

[@DRFESTERPUS69]

Yea, because he is a good character. People don't like him because he's not like Ezio.

[@VictorDude98]

@@DRFESTERPUS69 Nah we don't like him because he acts like an edgy tween

[@BlackDollNerd777]

@@VictorDude98 How was he a "Edgy tween" as you weirdo call it. He's a half native white individual who has to deal with childhood trama and deal with the cards he's delt in life,He's not gonna run around fighting and screwing women. Once again your kind dose not like Connor because doesn't fit your wannabe male power fantasy.

[@UnlimitedGreenWorks]

@@VictorDude98 ur right lindval, i would have totally been a funny dude, who cracked jokes and shit even if my mom died, my village burned, theres 2 wars going on and shit

[@Elim1986]

Once we get to ‘Connor’ - to me that he was not Ezio - was a right direction to me. I was not expecting a charismatic individual nor an overly cheerful person. I did not want someone that would be more of the same. Frankly the setting was a welcome departure from the cities of Italy. I never treated homestead as optional so I was very satisfied and thrilled by the whole homestead. Yes it’s eventually drawn to a somber close with the homestead yet it’s something that Achilles commends ‘Connor’ for in his farewell letter. The source of why Achilles decides to call him by that name is honorable. Once more homestead missions remain my favorite part of the game. The historical parts are ones I readily recognize having grown up most of the landmarks from New York still being around today. I learnt about the people and places in history so again to each their own particular interests. I try to treat each playable character as someone to appreciate for whatever and whoever they are bc having them be too alike would be too predictable. Ezio witnessed the very public execution of his father and brothers. Ezio was a teenager when the execution happen and had an available support system who later turn out to be part of the Brotherhood. ‘Connor’ was just a young boy with only his mother and to an extent their tribe. Also his first encounter with Templars comes on the same day that he’s unable to save his mother from a fiery death. So yes perhaps I’m biased about Connor and about the setting for his arc. My point is I try to not judge each game in the series against the others and not overly compare the protagonists against each other. I just saw try to enjoy whatever or whoever comes with each game.

[@Agamemnon2]

I definitely agree that making the homestead missions a part of Connor's main plot arc would have helped. All these people coming together to form a small community would have mirrored the America-becoming-a-nation thread running through the major historical events you witness. And that could have been the difference between Connor and Ezio: one built a secret order to steer the fate of the world, the other a small protected community for people with nowhere else to go.

[@uiobak9756]

yes, and it would've made a good game if they made that kid Hunter an assassin too, and make connor his master and get to the civil war to eliberate all the black people in the south (:

[@TheGhostofClaremont]

"This did not need to be 34 minutes.." Said Connor quietly annoyed.

[@outsidextra]

(I cut this down from an hour, we're both really into AC and won't shut up about it, sorry lol - E)

[@msjkramey]

I was glad it was so long lol

[@kristofb5013]

Connor is the coworker that you want to be nice to and make conversation with but they only give one word answers. When they do talk more, they just speak endlessly about some boring shit you zone out to

[@heresbutler]

Looks like your words have tasted sour grapes

[@Moshthun]

Outside Xtra Please release the full version somewhere. I love the AC franchise, and I would love to see a full hour of nerding out on it.

[@ianbray5994]

I really liked playing as Connor, it was really interesting to play from the native american perspective we don't often see and i was ok with the character not being happy and jokey, that just wouldn't have fitted the story.

[@Outlaw7263]

Connor is amongst the most brutal fighters on the series, you can literally feel the ferocity in the combat. Same with Bayek and Alexios/Kassandra.

[@Forsnoblown]

i think Connor is really strong. i remember when I played as teen Connor he literally lifted a full grown man and slammed him down resulting in a knock out.

[@erenrager6679]

@@Forsnoblown That is my favorite unarmed combat move in all AC.

[@eagleone0one]

My secondmost reason why he's my favorite

[@MikefromTexas1]

Yes!!!

[@rwitobaansheikh4275]

Um nope the most brutal would be Edward. Bayek, Alexios/Kassandra were strong af like supernaturally strong but not really brutal like Edward. And Connor was just average like every other assassin in the series.

[@anitarana4835]

The whole kenway family is incredible including haytham

[@amphoris9198]

Actually I liked Connor. His history was created in really interesting way. His whole story explain why he lack a humor, why he's always angry. Whole AC3 story was a story about how point of view can change everything. Every templar Connor had kill, has his own point of view, which Connor just haven't time and opportunity to know. Also he lost his objective at the end, he couln't do one thing he really wanted from the start, he coulnd't help his people to stay in their place. Moreover, whole fcking sea battles were my favourite part of this game. Gameplay wasn't bad either, I liked that. There were many things to do and really emotional moments. It was good game, and Connor for me isn't worse than Ezio, moreover FOR ME he's even better.

[@wolfthegamer3144]

agreed i really liked Conner

[@dogestranding5047]

Early American history is also really interesting.

[@stacs02]

“He shouldn’t be on the frontlines of a battle!” ~Ezio hides quietly behind DaVinci’s “tank”, trying not to cough so as not to be noticed.

[@brenndynraisanen5839]

Yeah, when they said that I was like "WTF?", since when exactly has Ezio ever been Silent or hidden? When he soared through Venezia on a flying machine, for all to see? When he literally went to the frontlines of a battle to get at Cesare who, at the beginning of the game, had tracked him down to his very obvious assassin villa!? He is one of the absolute least stealthy assassins in the series by far, if not the least.

[@warandpoetry9542]

There's a strange man on the sofa, guys, I'm scared

[@beholdnonsense5100]

Who is this strange person who isn't Luke

[@maxvel0city906]

Yea, Evil Luke has changed a bit hasn't he?

[@riveramnell143]

My first thought: So Luke is locked in a shopping container again, yeah? Either that or he’s chasing Andy across some snowy hellscape. Oh Luke, what are you like?

[@_k9tron_53]

Ellen approves, he may stay

[@polkarrty]

He dresses like mike so I thought it was him at first

[@matics2808]

I really have never understood the disconnect with Connor, I loved him as a character.

[@farewellnico7080]

I always thought connor was an amazing character, he's true to the atmosphere he's in.

[@unknown_individual7050]

A native who’s belief in people constantly gets challenged (which makes sense as a native in 1770’s). He speaks like a Native American true to his culture and people. He fights like one with honor and a willingness to die for a better future even if he doesn’t get to see it. Truly an incredible character.

[@smileyn7377]

People expect him to be happy and outgoing like Ezio when he witnessed his mom's death and his tribe was constantly threatened by outsiders in the midst of a war. I just let out a sigh when I see that.

[@tianahines9179]

Connor is great some people are just stuck on Ezio. Not everyone is Ezio and people need to know that.

[@tianahines9179]

@Mawlood Shaghasy I've been staying this forever cause it's true.

[@aurorajipa9802]

They expect tons of character development as ezio but ezio has like 3 games and connor has only one

[@tianahines9179]

@@aurorajipa9802 I know right. And also people from other countries try to teach me American history with this game. It's frustrating sometimes to like a character not many people like.

[@IIXXXXII]

Honestly Connor deserves more games, he fascinates me a lot, like dude you can right a lot of stories with a brute, and badass character. Or design more games for Connor where he has development from naivety, into something more powerful. Or if they didn't have such a long ass prologue with Haytham and cuts straight towards the point Connor could have more development.

[@christiandavis8055]

Exactly

[@alfredvonfleisch]

The homestead missions are why I loved AC3 and Connor.

[@chriscormac231]

The gameplay, building your brotherhood, leveling them up and sending them out all over the colonies, taking over forts and neighborhoods, the setting, it's my fav out of the series

[@DRFESTERPUS69]

Yea this was my favorite part as well. Also Connors outfit is the best ever made in all the games. Plus the bow was really fun.

[@elementalist1984]

Also the tomahawk

[@thomascoburn5481]

They show how Kind he is and teach him new things about life

[@MikefromTexas1]

*I've never in my life understood the flak against Connor Kenway.* He's my favorite main character in the entire series, right next to his grandfather Edward.

[@ghostqrow5648]

Ya Edward kenway was a great character

[@fanuelnduna8191]

The Kenways were just awesome

[@caninelupus8369]

@@ghostqrow5648 of course you'd say that. I'm sure he was, i just haven't played IV yet.

[@DRFESTERPUS69]

@@caninelupus8369 He is cool but more of a Pirate then an assassin. loved the game but its again like Edward, more of a pirate game than an assassin game.

[@drakocarrion]

Most of these complaints are just "we like that character better". There's nothing wrong with Connor.

[@IIXXXXII]

There was really no reason to dislike Connor, just people make and make more excuses to. "He's better than him, He does this better." It's a pointless arguement because really, Connor's probably the most emotional yet apathetic character i've seen. Ubisoft literally screwed their series with making three games for Ezio, and now the fans won't shut up about it even though they complained about Ezio's story being a little more boring now, the fans are getting more unsatisfied from each newer AC game because the character is not charming, the AC community is just ridiculous because they have so much Whining kids because their oh so precious character is gone because they literally wanted Ezio's story to end. Just like Desmond. There's a huge hole in the community where they whine and complain, like shit: stop complaining when it's over.

[@Madvillainy48]

We went from Ezio and Hatham with strong personalities and memorable quotes, to bland Connor. I still remember when Ezio save this girls stuff and ask, "How can I ever repay you?" Ezio simply said "Money"

[@drakocarrion]

@@Madvillainy48 thanks for proving my point.

[@BlackDollNerd777]

@@IIXXXXII We all know thats not gonna happen,they want to be him too much Connor's story is more interesting (Especially for the time period his story was based on.) His life is of struggle both internally and externally and to have a very deadly point of time in American history (French and Indian war Plus 7 years war) is more interesting than a guy with lived a life of privilege.

[@souvikbose8583]

@@drakocarrion stating an example doesn't prove your point...if anything it shows connor isn't really memorable unless all you care about is a sob backstory

[@d00m3fanatic]

I liked AC3, and Connor. For about 3 or 4 years in a row I played through the main game about a week before the 4th of July and it was just perfect to get in the mood for the holiday. Where as Ezios story was more rounded, Connor's is like an orchestra swelling up like the main theme. Starts out a bit slow but picks up as more and more pieces are together. By the end you're right along side Connor as he finally sees Charles Lee's end. Also, in regards to his antisocialness I think part of it had to do with his personality and Achilles' as well. Achilles was used to being alone, and from what you get to see from Rogue even when he was younger he was more the kind of mentor to send people out on missions in different places all around.

[@taxiturtle]

It'll be better if they think you're Spanish...your name will be 'Connor'. The most Spanish of all the names.

[@ghostderazgriz]

Yea pretty sure Connor is Irish

[@sars910]

The funniest part is that afterwards, Connor doesn't even try to appear or act even slightly Spanish. So here I am thinking, what was the point of it all when in the end you aren't going to hide that you're Native American.

[@mylightobscures]

Yeah, it was funny when u thought about it cuz he's still running around dressed as a native, with a native hairstyle, with his bow on his back and the first thing he does is go in to that one shop to buy whatever Achilles wanted and the guy doesn't bat an eye or question it lol But yeah, I liked that Achilles gave him that name-- they'd spent some time together by then and he chose to give him the name of his deceased son...

[@dogestranding5047]

That was one of the worst parts of the game by far. Guy with full Native American outfit and hairstyle. "Oh yeah, you can pass as Spanish or Italian." Spaniards and Italians are still mostly pretty light-skinned.

[@andpearl899]

@@dogestranding5047 well, Sicily has dark skin Italians

[@Eratic_bhavior]

Conners outfit was hands down my favorite of all the assassin's...followed closely by Edwards outfit

[@MikefromTexas1]

Agreed!

[@Icam_here]

didn't help that when you synced with eagle vision you didn't get the whole map once you have every sync point

[@SnackBath]

Oh god that hurt me inside

[@gio6166]

That's a legitimate complaint

[@DeathnoteBB]

You didn’t? How did they expect you to use the map?

[@Outlaw7263]

@@SgtSupaman hopefully it gets fixed on the remaster, oooh the French naval axe, it was always fucking sideways, in its sheath or in hand it was always fucking sideways, also only the coat tails changed colors in story cutscenes, the rest of the outfit was vanilla color during story cutscenes.

[@gio6166]

@@Outlaw7263 YES OH MY GOD I hated that! I wanted a fucking AXE not a hammer, I always used the native American designed gunstock thing, and I randomly decided I wanted to use that axe and I was so excited to see some cool axe animations and I was so salty that it was just the same animations as the gunstock

[@varunchaturvedi2581]

I like how 90% of the comments are like "Actually, Connor is my favourite protagonist in the entire series." or something similar.

[@varunchaturvedi2581]

@Augustus Freeman Oh, alright. 80% then.

[@ellbent]

I like playing as him because Con Wick.

[@mnasella23]

People need to stop hating on Connor. I thought he was an awesome character! His dialogue and acting weren't my favorite (Ubisoft's fault)...but his fighting style, outfit and haircut when you finish the game were freaking awesome! A Native American assassin during the American Revolution is an awesome idea!!

[@TheLatiosnlatias02]

This shows how shit heads run free. And I thought me and my sister were the only ones who consider Connor as our favourite assassin.

[@dominicpalmer2637]

@@TheLatiosnlatias02 nah y’all ain’t alone he’s my favorite too

[@TheLatiosnlatias02]

@@dominicpalmer2637 Glad you're here

[@IamIona]

I've always liked Connor but I didn't realise until now it was due to my completionist nature demanding I do the all the side missions I can before continuing with the main story.

[@mylightobscures]

lol Yeah, I always like to play games as if I'm directing a movie-- I do what would make sense at present in the game and story Side-missions just kinda fit into that as they came, I dunno

[@CheshiraXGrin]

I actually really like Connor/Ratonhnhaké:ton as a character and I honestly find the story of ACIII, especially from his viewpoint, to be pretty hard-hitting. The game itself unfortunately I found very frustrating and there's a lot of stuff I ended up not doing or completing (like the trade caravans, because my first caravan was attacked, I didn't get to it in time to save it, and I never figured out how to make a new one). I'm actually very aware that there's story and development I missed out on because I couldn't get through parts of the game, and it's kinda disappointing to me. It still kind of upsets me that people say Connor is boring and emotionless, though, since I did do a majority of the Homestead missions, and he's very sweet and kind, he makes jokes, he gets angry, he gets sad... I mean, of course he's no Ezio, but we had 3 games of Ezio, which is three times as long to develop a character people'll like (because I'm gonna be honest, I do not really care for AC2 Ezio). Honestly, though, the end of Connor's story still hits me very hard, especially as an American. He was fighting for the freedom of a country that was honestly ultimately ungrateful, and in the end it was only freedom for some. And the fact that it's still like that today is pretty upsetting. Playing as Connor helped encourage me to research more about Native Americans (specifically the Kanien'kehá:ka, though I eventually branched out to researching local tribes and the history of the region I live in) and the history of my country.

[@crimsonking7179]

That what people don't get about Connor's whole story was he trying to protect everything he love and do the right thing. Ultimately, his betrayed by his ally's, he couldn't save his village, the freedom he did fight for was only for a specific group of people and he lossed his mentor/ father figure, father, mother, and best friend. On top of all that, he achieved getting rid of the templars, but in the end felt like he achieved nothing or maked a difference in world. It unfair to compare him to Ezio because he had three games, that plenty of time to make to cemented in his character. Connor wasn't switching sides because ultimately he was on the side of life. It seems that way at first but Connor's story wasn't black and white like Ezio's. The people he though he call ally's who spoke about freedom but didn't provide the same to other people and even Connor's Dad Haytham helped people, but ultimately enslaved people. So him working with both side is him trying make sense of it all. Also literally every Assassin creed game has opinions of you not taking a stealth choice. So him being a big part of the of the major battles made sense. Now I do agree that environment could been better but it was a stepping stone for later games. Colonial American is kinda hard to fantasize without it being to carried away and that simply because it was largely recorded in that period of history. I also do agree that homestead missions I feel should have been require instead of optional. To be honest I felt that Connor should have three games round his character, because by the end game I was interested to see more of Connor and maybe they should have split the whole Revolutionary War into three part.

[@captainsavvy07]

Kinda sad there was a lot of "isn't Ezio great? Why isn't Connor more like Ezio?" Connor is one of my favourites. While he doesn't have the charisma of Ezio, he gets some absolutely brilliant one-liner zingers and actually has a pretty great dry sense of humour! People also forget that Ezio doesn't really find his stride until Brotherhood. He also had 3 games to fill out his character. Connor got a single game, one which he had to share part of it with Haytham, a character that had a similar charisma and charm to Ezio. 100% with you on the flatness of the world though. AC is at its best when the geography is grand and interesting to climb all over; colonial America just didn't have very interesting architecture. AC4 got around that by having the really good sailing and the only thing AC3 had was the ability to climb through trees.

[@IIXXXXII]

If they didn't have such a long ass prologue for unecessary templar reasons they could've gotten to the point of Connor and development, one game isn't enough to expand one character, because is AC2 just ended with no sequels then Ezio would've been seen as an Asshole.

[@Okkotsu86275]

I love Connor so much.This video kind of hurt my feelings lol. Here is a comment I found that sums up my opinion on Connor: I don't get it, Connor was a serious and straight forward individual who displayed great discipline and conviction. He had a hard life and did what he thought was right for the good of his people and the ideal of freedom. Moreover, he was already a trained fighter before joining the creed so he knew the concept of discipline from a very young age. His culture also demands it of him so he grew up to be strong and focused not easily clouded by emotion. Is it because you didn't see him cry or get drunk over a heated argument that made him so "bland" ? One has to really be into story telling in order to read the emotion of the character in order to feel their inner plight and understand their perspective. Im not saying you have to agree with it but im also saying you shouldn't be so quick to write Connor off as one dimensional. I felt his grief when he killed his father and lost Achilles. I saw his happiness and kindness through the homestead missions as he helped the community grow into something great. I felt his pain when he lost his people and his best friend. We saw his passion as he fought to end Charles Lee and consequently the colonial Templar's. However, what stood out to me the most was his perseverance and tenacity as well his indomitable warrior spirit, which were the very things that set him apart from many of the other assassins.

[@frayayank497]

I feel his character although dull at times was still very true to the setting and reality he lived in. He was a bastard and his father neglected and tried to kill him, then they teamed up and then he got crossed and then he finds out George Washington got his mom killed, his tribe is being killed off, he’s being screwed over by America, Britain, all of his friends except the assassins. I feel his mood and character is justified given the unfortunate circumstances, AC 3 is by far the most Gritty AC game and so I think his character is justified. Yes, Ezio has tragedy too but still, Ezio always has the backing of his mom, sister and inner circle, connor, even on the homestead was still always a loner. The times he is happy is on the naval missions and homestead missions, basically anytime he’s not off on his own saving America. When he’s surrounded by friends, he’s a more lively fun character. He tells jokes on the Sea and laughs, shoots the breeze, he’s dull and angry during the main story because the main story ain’t cheery.

[@YellowMohamad1234567]

I may be in the minority but AC3 is my favorite out of the series

[@palehorse6655]

You not alone I love this game

[@AvenginAngel]

One of them but ac2 is just to good. Can’t beat the og

[@robertagu5533]

One of mine too. Next to the Frye twins in their game I just completed. Haven't played latest 2 yet.

[@sxhwb__4246]

Connor is the coolest and best assassin

[@justinclements2335]

Ac3is my favorite too

[@gio6166]

People who say Connor has no personality or shows no emotion.... Did.. you not... Play the homestead missions?

[@insertname1667]

King Gio you'd be surprised how many people didn't.

[@IIXXXXII]

@@insertname1667 It's mentioned in the story, and people just didn't play it, literally they were so fun.

[@C_501st]

@@insertname1667 it makes me sad knowing that.

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

That's the problem. You shouldn't rely on optional content that most people outside completionists will never play to develop your protagonist.

[@cordeliaseil]

The thing people like to forget as well is that the ship concepts, the guns, FINALLY CLIMBING TREES (if that being overemphasized a bit), etc. wouldn’t have been possible in the series without AC3 to start the trends.

[@VictorDude98]

AC4, Rogue and AC3 all were in development at the same time and they all had all of that. So we would have it

[@MrAwgansky]

Bayek had a happy life before AC: Origins happened, he had a son a wife and village. Connor had nothing to be happy about his entire adult life. He was awkward but he was not a native english speaker, Ezio although we hear him speking english he does speak Italian to Italians so he uses his native language. I bet Connor could change a bit if given more games to evolve. Other thing is his fighting style represents his anger Ezio fought smooth, Connor can pirce two guys with one musket then crush a skull of third with tomahawk to shoot purth fith a bow. He is aggressive in fight, strategy and in words/ behavior. Best fighting cuts are imho fro AC III.

[@peridotpockygod.9080]

Well won't his mother have taught him English. She spoke it fluently. And Conner is literally half British too. It made sence he spoke native American to his tribe and English to his 'fellow English men' and Americans. Edit: wait I just realised you were talking about byek. I think. He really only spoke English in game so we didn't have to read and only had to focus of killing and the pretty graphics

[@Boomblox5896]

I actually liked Connor right off the get-go, and immediately hated Haytham when I learned the truth about Haytham's side in the beginning. Part of this is because I never played any of the previous games before. I also resonate well with Connor on a personal level because I don't really have much humor in me, and I come off as very serious and angry a lot. Connor is by far my most favorite character in this series. Fight me.

[@JTmaxx]

I never liked Ezio. Dunno why everybody loves him so much.

[@TheLatiosnlatias02]

@@JTmaxx Ezio made it to soul calibur, though I wished Connor was a guest character in Soul Calibur

[@GR_R2]

I actually like Altaïr the most. And I really liked Assassin's Creed 3 because of the fact that he was so serious and didn't have a sense of humor but I do wish he could have gotten a girl during the game and had a happy life after the main game.

[@Canwehitsubscriberswitho-sr1id]

He did end up living a some what happy live between the revelation Altair sequences and the game. But they weren't shown and undone by revelations

[@MysticGoosey]

Conner did end up getting married and having a son and two daughters. One of Conners daughter inherited the Eagle vision and she was the child he spent the most time with so he decided to not only teach her to hunt but to teach her the ways of his brotherhood. In the comics/books that came out after AC3 expanded more on him as a character

[@DRFESTERPUS69]

@@MysticGoosey I hate when they do this. I dont mind the family stuff being in comics and stuff but the growth as a chracter i want to see in the games.

[@uiobak9756]

@Seoul Town Road actualy she said "when you encounter the right person, let me be the first one who knows it" and he promises

[@MoBarratt]

Luke looks weird with a bit of beard.

[@sleepytime999998]

Waluke. There was a terrible event where Luke upset a Cricket match unfairly, and the animosity just grew from there.

[@HellcoreFire]

@Mollie Barrat The fake username doesn't fool anyone, we know it's you MGK.

[@BrokenRecordProductions]

To me Conor isn’t fighting for the beliefs of the Assassins, he’s just fighting to save his tribe.

[@thenightingale699]

Yeah and in the end they just moved to Canada (probs) because his faith in Washington doing the right thing and helping his people backfired

[@blackvalio4060]

@@thenightingale699 nobody fights for tge creed after ezio - hell even ezio didnt in 2

[@thenightingale699]

norris yeah I know the creed kinda died for the games just pointing out that Conner didn't even do his goal of saving his people right he got betrayed by the Americans as they forced his people of their land which pretty much everyone who played 3 could see

[@kamikazehound3243]

The Nightingale well its suppose to have some accuracy to history. Connor is the Assassin version of Geronimo. He fought for his people but couldnt save his people. That what happened.

[@thenightingale699]

@@kamikazehound3243 yeah i know it was sad but then i wasn't really surprised when it happened probably because i could see it happening which sucked because of how Conner was so trusting that Washington would keep his word that his people would be safe

[@kortothecore5888]

Connor's been my favorite assassin for a long time, and I never understood why people didn't like him. It never occurred to me that people wouldn't play the side missions so they didn't know him. I'd love to see more connor stuff other than you know "Died alone in a cabin"

[@GrassPokeKing]

So glad to hear "died alone in a cabin" was just Templar propoganda lol

[@Thanos5]

Dude has a family and trained his daughter to be an assassin

[@brittkelly877]

His relatability is what got me invested in his story, if my mom and most of my family were killed I’d be angry for most of my life too

[@AngelBeatYunara]

The Homestead missions were my favourites in AC3. ^^

[@AndpersAnd]

Connor would win the "you laugh, you lose" challenge every time.

[@VictorDude98]

I don't think he laughed a single time in the game

[@baazdust]

@@VictorDude98 just that one time on the ship he laughed i believe that it was a DLC

[@cree8371]

Victor Lindvall during a homestead mission he does

[@aaronkitzmann9419]

Spoilers! I liked Conner OK, but I perfectly see why some people don’t. The weakest AC protagonist for me is Arno Dorian. he has no real reason to join the Assassin’s, other than his birth father was in it, but his adoptive father was a Templar so he has reason to join either. Yet he joins the Assassin’s because, one helped him break out of jail. who was also in jail so why did Arno never consider he was just lying about the Assassin’s and his father just so he had a fall guy for the escape attempt? It doesn’t help that the chapter of the brotherhood depicted in Unity kinda just acted like dicks, and you could even argue they’re the reason the revolution was so violent and why so many corrupt governments kept rising from it. Every time the rest of the order was on screen I yelled, “The revolutions ideals run so much in line with that of the Assassin’s why aren’t you helping it!” Arno had the same sentiment yet he joins them and stays with them. Why? He came off to me as someone who didn’t know why he was doing anything, and was just meandering about the whole time crying about his creepy semi incestous relationship with his Templer adopted sister. Conner received a vision and acted on it. He didn’t spend the whole game crying about his birth father being a Templar. (Mainly because he wasn’t even born for half the game, but still) he knew why he was doing what he did and didn’t just meander about. Conner’s not the best AC protagonist in my opinion. That’s a tie between Edward and Ezio. Yet I would never call him the worst.

[@Durandahll]

Aaron Kitzmann I would disagree with you on Arno being the weakest AC protagonist, the weakest in my opinion is Edward(even though he’s one of my favorites) he spends the majority of the game doing whatever the hell he pleases and only after every single one of his friends and family either died betrayed him or left him realize that there is more to life than his own person ambitions, Arno however literally had everyone he ever loved killed in front of him. His father, his adopted father, his father figure mentor and the love of his life. Arno was torn between two worlds the assassins because it’s in his blood and his legacy and the Templar’s because of his love and loyalty to Elise. Arno in my mind was the most human and relatable character of any AC game.

[@WolfieDawn]

Thank you! I agree!

[@aaronkitzmann9419]

Mr. Black, I don’t agree, but I can see what you’re saying.

[@mylightobscures]

Interesting points of view I personally liked all of the protags, they all had their own worlds to explore Arno joined the assassins because of the guilt and failures of his 'past self' (because once he joins the brotherhood, they really make it a point to make it seem like some spiritual journey to leave behind the old Arno and become just an assassin), and I was fine with that, I enjoyed it There's enough that's been said about Connor, but my own opinions of him, in short? He was cool, I dunno lol And I loved how Edward's story was done as well-- instead of him seeking revenge like Ezio, or seeking justice like Connor, or acting to redeem himself like Arno, he was basically Spider-Man tbh He has the gifts of the assassins and spends most of the story misusing them until (as Mr.Black said) everyone he cares for is ripperoni; his Uncle Ben's are dead and he suddenly feels the weight of his actions and wants to assume his responsibilities-- that's his story and I thought it was fine I just find that there's alot more to appreciate in these characters, their games and their stories than to dislike I dunno, maybe I'm weird... I understand the points brought up against them, but still, I don't have a negative view of them: I just enjoy em

[@christiandavis8055]

I agree. I liked Conner as well

[@cielo987]

This is really long so if no one reads its fine He didnt know what side he was on? Are you serious, his whole mission was to get revenge on the men responsible for what happened to him. He met an old Assassin who trained him and showed him who he was after. He became an assassin and was fighting Templars, his whole focus was killing them by any means possible even if it meant aiding them and it was only his father that he worked with(Because character development and stuff that he had that many over look because he isnt Ezio and every character has to have a sense of humor). Everything he did, everything was to help him get closer to the guys he wanted to kill even if he had to do an odd job, it helped him get closer to his goal, if it didnt help, he would flat out avoid it, like with the Paul Revere thing you showed, he refused at first then agreed to do it because it could bring him closer to his target. He built up his own brotherhood as well, he was responsible for their entire homestead/plantation flourishing. He didnt have any of this stuff handed to him like Ezio, he had to work from the ground up. He didnt have a rich uncle who already had a small army to help him. The gameplay was not as bad as you guys say. Nearly every setting in every Assassin Creeds game was accurate mostly. Unlike most of Europe during the time these games take place the US was just being built and the Ship combat is the main reason why Assassin's Creed 4's game play kept people entertained because the islands were just as bare, there were no great spires and stuff in most of the environments. And the combat in 3 was much better than 4 and an improvement on the ones that came before. You could chain together kills with different weapons way more smoothly, you can choose to have one weapon.

[@spoodurmin9742]

Well said. These guys are fucking stupid.

[@heresbutler]

Let's be honest You have never hated America more than when Connor was in prison

[@N7thegreatspy]

I forgot about that

[@fcesali3804]

He's my brother's favourite Assassin, and he remembers his full name

[@katrinastorm5907]

I've always liked the Kenway family story. And how we saw the beginning of things with Edward in that line. I'd have a similar mindset if I was in Conner's world so his personality makes sense to me

[@raylathemoonshadowelfassas1052]

Connor is one of the most viciously ruthless Assassin in the series. Dudes a fucking savage. That's why I enjoyed playing as him

[@mysryuza]

Connor doesn't have to be like the other characters, since saturation can get boring. I prefer a wider palette rather than just constant closely related shades of color. Him not being like the rest just makes him different, not worse nor better. Then someone will come in like "nO oNe SaId He HaS tO"

[@sars910]

Ok. Now I need to go back and replay AC3 because I missed most of the homestead missions and now I really want to do them. So thanks OutsideXtra for this look into the past.

[@maxvel0city906]

As a wannabe Assassin, I'd like to say thanks Ellen for the useful tips. Takes notes: "work from the shadows, build a brotherhood," ok got it!

[@Chris_Sizemore]

you forgot "Don't tell people you are an assassin." I know, difficult to get jobs that way but its why you pay a middle man to find jobs.

[@maxvel0city906]

@@Chris_Sizemore oh yes of course! Says loudly to a crowd, "I'M DEFINITELY NOT AN ASSASSIN!" 🤫😉

[@TheAntiTrope]

I only enjoyed 3 because I played everything, did ALL the side missions, it was much more enjoyable fully experienced. Which is not always necessary with a good story.

[@matheuscamus642]

The homestead missions were my favorite part of the game, it shows how connor communicates and reacts within a community which i like cause it adds more to his character

[@chriscormac231]

@@matheuscamus642 not to mention its the moments where the VA really shines

[@TheAntiTrope]

@@matheuscamus642 I agree, most of the enjoyment for that game was derived from building that community and protecting it.

[@faronhicks2957]

I'm native American so I immediately loved Connor the most. Out of ALL assassins he my fave

[@GPuup115]

Same, mixed like him too

[@cree8371]

bro wtf same

[@jbsulls]

That's my top reason for favoring this game. It's the only game I've ever pre-ordered. Because 1) it's a character you can initially connect to from his start (culturally), and 2) we Indigenous have how many representations in gaming....... what, 2....... Turok? But honestly, it's shameful how, even with "cultural advisors", Ratonhnhake'ton was still played as that old Hollywood type-cast..... the Stoic Indian...... the Noble Savage. I'm like.... Are you fuckin playing, Montreal?! Dude would've had a smartass sense of humor to the max. And he definitely would've been flashy and a showoff. The one time they tried to show that was near the end, by stupidly mixing weakass warpaint while grieving. They missed a huge opportunity to show how much they research cultures.

[@holyordersol2668]

19:47 - The point made here about "It's not the NY or Boston we know" has little bearing on Connor's character. Why is this even mentioned? Comparing it to the modern day NY and Boston that "we know" feels terribly moot and sidetracked.

[@henrylaxative8840]

Basically what I got from this was that y’all want an ezio cutout for every game

[@IIXXXXII]

They should rename the tittle to "LISTEN TO US COMPARE EZIO TO CONNOR FOR 34 MINUTES STRAIGHT"

[@izuqh9884]

Yes

[@giagarex]

Or maybe we just want someone with actual quirks and character development instead of an angry man. If people are still comparing AC protags to Ezio even to this day, then that speaks volume about the character's impact over the years, wouldn't it?

[@henrylaxative8840]

Darth Revan not everyone’s gonna be an Uber charismatic face dude, I doubt a native Americans during revolutionary period America is gonna be a real bucket of cheer

[@izuqh9884]

@@henrylaxative8840 ezio also had all the reason to be depressed af but he still was charamastic

[@RoninXDarknight]

AC3 is still one of my favorite AC games. Absolutely loved the setting and being able to explore 18th century New England. But there's nothing wrong with Connor...he's just massively different from Ezio whom everyone had 3 games to fall in love with. That aside, from a strictly racial standpoint, Connor is also the main protagonist that the smallest demographic of players can directly identify with and I think much of his character gets lost in that translation...both figuratively and literally given English is Connor's second language. This is something I actually felt added to the charm of his character. But, I think it would be extremely interesting to track down a player of Mohawk descent and get their take on Connor.

[@Nolascana]

Aye, also his deadpan delivery and near monotone is likely due to him having to translate everything on the fly... with SO MANY DIFFERENT ACCENTS flying around. Poor bastard was trying to figure out how to save his people from two bad groups of people and had to keep cleaning up peoples messes... And lost the credit too (following the canon excuse that templars control the recording of mass public history). He never wins, even when he has a family hes so full of resentment from a life of being shat on... If i remember right his wife leaves him or he ends up walking away. Deffo the homestead missions for the win, the side stuff is how I love AC3 as my fave. If Ezios games were on the ac3 engine or ps4 engines... my opinion miiiiight shift a lil

[@zackeryquesnel7105]

I think Connor was a great assassin, I loved playing AC III and it entertained me after school through most of High School. We should all love Connor, and his pupper love, which more modern assassins refuse to give.

[@boots_tx1582]

Ezio annoyed the hell out of me, before every game he forgets everything that you learned in the last game. As soon as another assassin gets more than one game we'll say they are the best.

[@Ghidorah96]

BOOTS_TX haytham is pretty grand, tho you only see him in rogue

[@ShinobiSparrow-tv]

Everyone who hates Connors reason for hating him is He didn’t make jokes “ he’s not ezio” He wasn’t as flourished “he’s not ezio” He wasn’t as charismatic “ he’s not ezio” Every single point boils down to he’s not Ezio smh Assassin’s creed 3 is iconic and connors character growth was insane for 1 game when they stated the had originally wanted to make 3 to develop him further, the culture, the language, and his personality are steeped in his connection to his culture, people, and the land And the DLC for AC3 was superb Haters always gonna find a reason to hate

[@Arson-wh6xd]

I think my biggest complaint with the game was that it always felt like it was rushed to market. It seemed like it lacked the polish of previous entries. Just me?

[@kazekagejichujisoo7838]

Yeah it lagged a lot for me

[@sztybe]

I've gone to eurogamer to confirm, and it is the same sofa, oh my god, my life doesn't make any sense anymore.

[@seanallerdings8147]

Sofaception

[@jameswoodard4304]

Whaaaaaaat!? He really shouldn't have let that one slip. Now I will be constantly looking at the shape of every KZbinr's furniture.

[@polkarrty]

ARE ALL KZbinRS COUCHES THE SAME COUCH?? *Curls up into a ball and rocks*

[@ablebagel]

Dapper Horus i wonder if that applies to... other forms of entertainment

[@eleanorsmith7152]

MY LIFE IS A LIE!!!

[@Meme033094]

Connors awesome his look his tomahawk and hes a complete badass

[@Aidan_Brink]

I always liked Connor. It could be (more than just) a bit of bias for the half-Native American protagonist, him being a similar man to myself on that regard. I thought him coming after Ezio Auditore was rather nice, finding the new time period and new protagonist to fit rather well.

[@jrthe2nd494]

Nothing wrong with that kind of bias. Everyone deserves representation.

[@garibaldilebeau]

You say Connor just seems to be at all the key moments as if it’s different… …but Ezio was a key part of the Pazzi Conspiracy, the Bonfire of the Vanities, the death of Pope Rodrigo Borgia, the death of two Doges of Venice, the death of Rodrigo Borgia, the rise to power of Ottoman Sultan Selim over his brother Prince Ahmet…

[@rngxro2368]

You forgot one thing, his one damn line in the game! "wHeRe iS ChArLeS LEe!?" 😂😂😂

[@thomascoburn5481]

It's GIVE ME LEE!!!

[@cyrusccclxix2096]

Thomas Coburn both lines are said within the series

[@deathwingthedestroyer3632]

He just wants revenge in fact he has every right for killing Charles Lee

[@spoodurmin9742]

He literally only says that like 4 times.

[@oshura2506]

I love how clear that makes it you didn't play the game😂

[@Retw86]

This video made me want to replay AC3 just to play those treasure hunting missions. Also the lawn bowls mini-game...my Connor was a fiend for lawn bowls

[@Zforce911]

So basically, Connor is my favourite assassin, classic America is beautiful, and I will not stand for this SLANDER.

[@zeenoz7567]

Finally someone who understands and likes Connor, He’s my fav too

[@mr.mercury3424]

Connor is honestly one of my favorite gaming characters of all time

[@MrChristianDT]

Well, the blandness in set should've generally required much more richness in worldbuilding & storytelling. That was their primary mistake in trying to do a Native American story. I still think they should have: 1) Included some of the remaining Abenaki Nations, (Schaghticoke, Kennebec, Penobscot, Maliseet) who sided with the Patriots whereas most of the Iroquois sided with the British, on top of the Abenakis/ Mohicans & Iroquois having been longtime enemies of one another with deep animosities. 2) Actually acknowledged that the Iroquois sided with the British. 3) Used the Washington's Culper Ring in a much more thought out way. Seriously, these were the people that Washington depended on for his intelligence & they used a character who served as the only mention of it to try to assassinate Washington. He had no reaction to that, whatsoever, nor did it seem to trigger his understanding of the Assassin/ Templar influences happening behind his back. 4) Worked in some missions outside of the general area that you were trapped in which were crucial to the war, like New Jersey or Ohio, & used that to meet more diverse Native peoples. 5) Had more actual Assassins, even one-offs. Those Assassin recruit missions don't count, because most people never figured out how to activate them & they never really played a real part in the story anyway, except for that one French guy. 6) Not that I expect that this was ever a possibility at the time, but included more Iroquoian cultural elements aside from use of the language & the one village. Like, try to use the religion & mythology to explain Connor's beliefs & motivations better, or something.

[@DRFESTERPUS69]

Yea this may have made the story better. Him just showing up at important events was my biggest gripe with the game. It felt forced to me.

[@spoodurmin9742]

Now this I can agree on. Most of the other “criticisms” on this comments section and video are horseshit.

[@soullessangel4055]

AC 3 will always be my favorite. Connor grew a lot as a person, amd as every assassin, he has made mistakes, and he learns from them. His story is one of those that really touched me, as did Black Flag, and Shay's. I have Unity and Syndicate but I have not yet finished Unity or started Syndicate. But Connor's is still my favorite. He's an interesting character. You get to see Connor's view, and Haythem's. Interacting with the homestead is also very intriguing. Connor's story isn't meant to show highs and happiness, it shows the reality of his life, and what himself and his people go through, and why he fights for freedom. Though he might be naive, he still grows to learn that there will never truly be complete peace. War will always exist, and life can and will deal you with shitty cards, no matter who you are, or what you fight for. It shows much reality and the truth of how people are designed to live in this world, though not preferable, it is truth.

[@cameramanj]

First his name is Raton:Haketon, put some respek on it. Second ACIII was the first in the series to truly blur the lines between Assassin’s and Templar, showing that they really have the same endgame in mind just different routes to said endgame.

[@TheArmskillerV2]

Assassin's Creed 1 did that through the targets' confessions and Al Mualim's betrayal and revelation that he was a Templar and he was attempting to take the piece of Eden for himself.

[@spinal_capped]

Yeah that's exactly what happened in AC1. Assassins and Templars both want peace but Templars are willing to forego free will in order to achieve it!

[@CockneyCharmer]

Yes but instead of being just a storyline, AC III put you in control of an actual Templar and on release, you actually didn't see the twist coming as he acted like, fought like and sounded like an Assassin till the final reveal.

[@marhawkman303]

@@CockneyCharmer I REALLY love where they took that plot point in Odyssey. :D

[@caninelupus8369]

They also didn't make the Templar Order seem like complete fuckwads. Their hearts were in the right place, they just had unorthadox methods.

[@williamw2529]

I thought this was a better game considering it was one of the only Assassins Creed where it's more of a tragedy than "Mr. Smart-asses Super Secret Spy Adventures."

[@Eadwulf_Skald]

The story is a tragedy opposed to the other AC games which are epics. People like epics more than tragedies even though the best stories are always found in tragedy.

[@BudokaiMan-mr9tw]

Lol! Noice!

[@locallypwned5680]

As a native american (well.. Canadian, but ya know..) myself, I finally felt truly represented in this game. Every elder I've met was quietly stoic, but you always feel a strength and wisdom to them that I felt was really well portrayed by Connor and his villages people, the Mohawk. I know coming after one of the most beloved characters in gaming is a difficult thing to do, and if he had come maybe a game or so after he'd have more merit as a character. He's one of my favourites, not only because of representation but because he genuinely felt like he was confused, all throughout the game. He didn't know which side was correct, and you could see that he was contemplating the templar's ideals, while muddied they still made sense to him. You can see that in how he deals with his father, you can see the anger and hate he feels for Haytham but this is the first time he's met the man and you could see from the start that he at least wants to know and understand him. That in itself made Haytham's death meaningful. I think if they had fleshed out the colonial brotherhood, before Connor, he'd have definitely been received better. I wanted to see the AC3 remaster go in the direction of a remake and make it more mechanically like Origins, but I suppose what we got was ok. *cough* The textures were still shit for a remaster standard. *cough*

[@TheLatiosnlatias02]

Were you of Algonquian origins, Assiniboine, Cree or other group?

[@locallypwned5680]

@@TheLatiosnlatias02 I am Ojibwe-Cree, my mother is Ojibwe from the Assiniboine River area, Brandon and Rolling River First Nation, and my father is Cree from top right corner of Lake Winnipeg, Norway House First Nation.

[@TheLatiosnlatias02]

@@locallypwned5680 I am British though my pa is Pakistani and my ma is Nepali Tharu. Besides, I've always wanted to meet Native and you're the first one. My pleasure to meet you, friend.

[@SyndicateOperative]

I'm a colossal assassin's creed 1 fanboy, and honestly I got the vibe they were trying to make him Altair #2, but missed the point pretty heavily. Altair wasn't stoic, but instead a massive jerk; AC1 is a redemption story where he, the most skilled assassin, had to gain insight and enlightenment, and eventually reached the point where he was able to see through the multiple layers of deceit that had been layered over his life. Over the course of the game, he learns humility, compassion, and even a sense of honour/dignity - rather than having contempt for his victims, he begins offering them soothing words and listening to their confessions. Near the end, he even shows mercy. So... long story short: Making the main character of AC3 just a stoic/grumpy type almost certainly wasn't a good idea.

[@adevrie1]

Conner is my favorite. His design, personality, game, everything

[@LycIrisAurora]

i absolutely *loved* running around the wilderness with connor actually

[@andregordon2599]

The Haytham/Connor dynamic is epic and Haytham is still my favorite AC villain. I love you guys but I gotta disagree here.

[@dr1pgoda1zen70]

Andre Gordon imagine if haytham was an assassin instead and had a bad ass outfit that would be cool

[@dr1pgoda1zen70]

Andre Gordon and if connor and haytham had a better father son relationship

[@nicocee2431]

@@dr1pgoda1zen70 Well, he mastered the Assassin's techniques, he even wears double hidden blades, he is more Assassin than Connor if you ask me. Haytham having a good relationship with Connor wouldn't make sense, he clearly can't turn him Templar, and he does not care it is his son, he pretty much hates his dad so he is not really into family

[@dr1pgoda1zen70]

Nico Cee yeah true

[@Caspianm2]

@@dr1pgoda1zen70 Haytham was probably eventually going to be an assassin if Edward hadn't kicked the bucket.

[@scoopmoose8271]

Conner ranks in the middle of the AC protagonists for me. I prefer him to Altair, and much much more than the unlikeable butthorn, Arno. And yeah, he was quite the sourpuss through the game (though I'd classify him as angry, rather than sad) but I think he worked through his angst by the end, and if he had gotten a sequel he probably would have become much more enjoyable. I would agree that the side missions were the best part, particularly the homestead missions. However, they provided the most conflicting part to Conner's characterization. He spends the main storyline basically hating everybody, but then turns around and asks all these strangers to help him build a loving community. Hard to believe that one... Also hard to believe I liked AC4 so much, after hating the ship missions in AC3. I only did the mandatory ones, cursing my way through them like a good sailor boy. But when this remaster is released I'll gladly give them another shot!

[@doyokgonzalez]

Surprising to see the video did not even mention his real name, Ratonhnhaké:ton. Anyway, his story is quite sad and tragic. He lost his mother and most of his tribe during his childhood, had a misguided revenge on Charles Lee and his friends, being used like a tool by people that he once trusted like George Washington, and eventually had to kill his own father with whom he was hoping to reconcile despite the Assassin vs Templar differences and his constant disagreement with his Mentor, Achilles. I was a bit disappointed to see Ubisoft decided to cut his final monologue from the game. It was about his mother, his father, and how he sees the struggle of the Assassins for many years to come. I think it was one of the most touching monologues in AC series, and thankfully, it's still available for us to find in KZbin. "...(My path as an Assassin) may not take me to the place where I wish to go, but I will travel it nonetheless."

[@poisonevie]

That final monologue of his legit made me cry when I first heard it... 🥺

[@FasterThanSnakes]

It's very simple: He's not Ezio. Job done. No point watching half an hour of anyone dissecting it now.

[@nobleskywalker4639]

And why should everyone be Ezio? Not being Ezio does not mean he was a bad character.

[@LikeTheBuffalo]

Fun Fact: The reason for Connor to be so respectful of animals is because in the Iroquois culture after your death your spirit travels the band of the Milky Way which serves as the bridge between the living world and the spirit world. As you travel the bridge you are hindered by all the spirits of the animals and people you were cruel to, but all the animals and people you were kind and respectful to are there to defend you on your way across.

[@LikeTheBuffalo]

@Rick O'Shay I don't think you ever played the games if that's your argument. Especially 1 and 2. They are never against religion, merely against the manipulation of religion to serve malicious ends.

[@LikeTheBuffalo]

@Rick O'Shay Okay, and now you have that out of your system, why are you railing against Connor for his kind treatment of animals? I'm a fuckin atheist and yet I still say "Bless you" on instinct when someone sneezes. Maybe you could have taken this as an opportunity to learn about another culture instead of immediately shitting all over it because it was made up centuries before you were born. But I suppose a knee-jerk reaction on the internet about how the world isn't as atheist as you are isn't in your wheelhouse.

[@eziorobetthesecond4776]

@Rick O'Shay no that is Templars

[@maxlittlewood]

The fact that you didn't play as him until halfway through the game really didn't help

[@SunOnYeet]

what do you mean "halfway" ? You played Haytham for like the first fifth or sixth of the game

[@maxlittlewood]

@@SunOnYeet realistically yeah it just felt a lot longer (not that I didn't enjoy playing as Haytham it just really didn't help connor's character development)

[@AmronFortis]

British people don't like the American who kicked all the red coat asses? What a shock

[@CockneyCharmer]

@@AmronFortis yeah.....that isnt what the video is saying at all

[@jonbaxter2254]

I miss Haytham :(

[@Victorcreed85]

I had to turn your video off. Just annoying. Because Connor let you down and you know some people who didnt care for it does not mean really anything at all except thats your opinion. Connor was and has always been my favorite of all the protagonists in the AC series which is also top two favorite game series of all time for me. I appreciated the change of scenery and location ALOT. I am not Native American but i love and adore the first nations people and there culture. Of all the time periods represented throughout this franchise this was easily my favorite. The weapon selection, easily my favorite. One of your complaints against Connor is he came after Haytham. This was actually my biggest complaint about this installment, having to play as Haytham. I did not mind him being in the game or as an antagonist, but i could not care less about playing as him. All i wanted was to get to Connor. Now i dont have to hook the PS3 up all the time so i can play it again. I like Ezio. But he does get annoying. Connor was a great change of pace.

[@winnschott341]

Someone's salty

[@americathegreat1179]

I'd rather play as Haven

[@americathegreat1179]

Sorry for my spelling errors my phone's broken

[@kazekagejichujisoo7838]

OK how on earth is Ezio annoying

[@angelow2755]

Personally Connor to this day is my Favorite AC character, and the things he was shamed for wasn't his fault, that blame falls to the creators and Developers

[@TheLatiosnlatias02]

Our favourite.

[@annakm8238]

90% of people who hate Connor are actually Ezio's fans ,because the most of people who played AC3 as first AC game enjoyed Connor's Character .

[@izuqh9884]

U don't like a character more bc it's the first ac game u played. I got rouge first then ac 3 and i lost it but ac 3 kinda sucks tbh

[@jessicalee333]

@9752matt Aren't they ALL "an OC inserted into a real life era"? Isn't that kind of AC's whole deal?

[@C_501st]

This is true for me, because AC3 the first Assassin's Creed game I played.

[@americathegreat1179]

I played assassin's Creed 3 first and I think the older ones are better the first one is even better and ezio is not in it

[@hemijay7183]

@9752matt he doesn't have to be funny he literally has a target on his back as a native first off and then as a known assasin

[@MorrisseyMuse]

Conor is my favourite character in the entire series lol I loved the gameplay of AC3 which I think helps with some bias towards him 😁

[@Joearango481]

He's mine too. Honestly one of my favorite video game protagonists. I like earnest and dutiful characters.

[@quiringuenther6594]

He has the best looking armor in the AC-series in my opinion

[@ProjectRedfoot]

I totally agree!

[@spinal_capped]

Ah, I see you guys never played AC2!

[@FatalSpoon]

Same but mostly because I'm native myself

[@markmandal3467]

Connor the stoic is still better than Arno the forgotten.

[@nwahnerevar9398]

lmao i read this and was like... who the fuck is arno?

[@leungzinwang4188]

Nwah Nerevar Arno is the protagonist of ac unity

[@alanwhite8678]

Speaking of Connor in AC3: "Assassin's shouldn't be on the frontlines of battle." Speaking of nearly every AC game since: "Naval battles FTW!" Pick a side guys...

[@chidoman1595]

Right the entire video is just 30 mins of nitpicking

[@yuchenchen8012]

Ehhh, 3 was ridiculously Forrest Gumpy. Some god awful missions like Paul Revere's night ride and the battle of Monmouth were just poorly implemented and did not improve the experience at all. 3's biggest downfall was its pacing. The story crawled at way too many moments, and once you add in the poorly designed missions (please don't tell me missions like the tailing ones or the Charles Lee chase was good design lol) and awful glitches, it starts to wear on the player. I never played through the game a second time, and that is because I just felt so tired and worn out by the pacing and frustrating game design.

[@rosesynn3429]

People dont understand his story. Hes significantly better than Ezio from 2, which is the only fair comparison since it was his first game and Connor didnt get more than one.

[@guillegarcia7146]

No, he was dull af

[@rosesynn3429]

@@guillegarcia7146 Wow this comment is old. I forgot completely about it. but since you replied with such a thorough response I guess I have to reply. He isnt boring. you dont understand the cultural differences. He is probably still the most complex character they've ever done. maybe Bayek is the only one better in terms of being a real character.

[@americathegreat1179]

@@rosesynn3429 the most complicated they ever did pleaseI like him as a character because he's nice and a bit of naive but he's pretty bland I mean yes he's an and their culture is significantly differentmy main problem really isn't the Connor Part it's the controls I recently replayed all of the games and I miss the original type control scheme

[@americathegreat1179]

@@rosesynn3429 and the ending is shit overall Connor is all right

[@rosesynn3429]

@@americathegreat1179 I mean those are mechanical issues with the game and issues with the plot. my point was about neither. it was about Connor as a character.