Pushing off the BACK FOOT. The dumbest IDEA ever!

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@davidmcnamara3243
@davidmcnamara3243 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely, bang on. The feel at transition, is a heavy left hip, followed by the falling down of the left hip. If we try and manipulate these positions, the clubhead will be mechanically decoupled from the rotating mass. Ie the arms and torso, will be moving out of phaze! The speed of gravity, is the only constant, we can rely on and we need to harness it, for the " free ride"!
@davidpurves4448
@davidpurves4448 4 жыл бұрын
Great video 👍 thanks for your time and efforts
@TheChessViking
@TheChessViking 3 жыл бұрын
I love your vids! I think I will play golf this summer for the first time in almost a decade!
@lukethayer8845
@lukethayer8845 3 жыл бұрын
Took this tip to the course, it really helped me. Thanks 🙏
@Hacker-xe8yv
@Hacker-xe8yv 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent! In keeping with Jack Nicklaus' "left heel socks down..." or Shawn Foley's "squash the tomato with your left foot" or feet together and swing leading with a left foot "step towards the target" which is almost an instinctive move if you let it. It's load and step, not load and push. The falling description clarifies what causes the "socking down", "squashing the tomato" or the "step towards target".
@TheOnlyStonemason
@TheOnlyStonemason 4 жыл бұрын
David Lee is the first person I heard talk about using gravity to get to the front axis of rotation. Just recently found your channel and really love the simplicity. People should look at Kyle Berkshire the current long drive champion. You may want to reference him. I am working my way through your videos and haven’t watched them all yet. My only suggestion thus far would be to come up with drills to speed up the learning process. The difficulty with golf is that it is not easy to determine the difference b/w hand-eye coordination and quality of technique. You are really onto something! Kudos to you!
@wjyavelak
@wjyavelak 4 жыл бұрын
Nice. There is a deflection of the mass falling forward toward the target in the direction behind the back of the person swinging. The force vector of the fall is then deflected to something like 15 to 30 degrees left of a line parallel with the target. This was the view of Lee from Gravity Golf that has been such a helpful change in understanding for so many. Very nicely illustrated here. If the fall and deflection is not done, then some muscular activation of the arms, shoulders, hands, pelvis, or legs has to be exerted to keep the force of the arms and club swinging in front of the body from pulling the body into and down into the ball and slightly to the right of the ball during the downswing. The cerebellum which is responsible for balance can detect this force pulling into the ball and right of ball and 'knows' it is about to bury the club into the ground behind the ball --- a common reaction is to 'stand up' lift with the shoulder, tighten the arms, shoving the hips forward toward the ball, and more.... consistent solid contact becomes almost impossible as all this is too much to time.
@IIrandhandleII
@IIrandhandleII 2 жыл бұрын
A pitcher definitely pushes off the mound that is their trail foot....
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 2 жыл бұрын
That happens before the throw. Watch closely and you'll see a pitcher is falling forward while he's still winding up. The "throw" doesn't happen until that front foot hits the ground. If you don't believe me try to run and throw at the same time and see how well that works.
@markme3259
@markme3259 3 жыл бұрын
...I spent 30 years bumping my hips to start the swing...and all I got was a lousy game and a wretched hip...but that was always meant to be a lateral movement...well nowadays you can throw that in a garbage can, weld it shut and throw it in the swamp...however, one must never confuse the mechanics of one swing with another...for instance take Inbee Park...she starts her swing with a bump of the hips initiated with a back leg push off...and I only dream of hitting it like her...but she is the only female golfer with those swing mechanics...so yes, you are right, you shouldn’t push off with the back foot...but that’s in the Holy Grail swing...however, recognize that the HG swing is an arm swing ( hitting to 7:30 ) and finished as the body ( hips) react to the head of the club...but to be sure , you should not mix the paradigms of one swing with the paradigms of another swing...for instance, you can’t say Canadian football is not football because they have 3 downs instead of 4 in the American game...so when you show pushing off the back foot, with a HG backswing you have convoluted the mechanics...and the reason is because pushing off the back foot requires completely different set of mechanics to create a torque between your hips and shoulders ( aka X factor , Body Swing )...and this is why you alluded to the fact that other coaches have disagreed with you in the past...ultimately you are arguing apples and oranges..so how does a 105 pound Korean girl hit 290 yards...the answer is she hits with her hips and her arms whip around..in the HG swing you mention ‘relax’ at the top, and that means no torque, and then falling forward...absolutely different swing mechanics...mechanics that are completely different from Stack n’ TILT, Vertical SWING, The Body Swing , to mention a few that all work....so I take exception to the fact that in the video you say pushing off doesn’t work, when you aren’t doing the corresponding torque inducing backswing...but with said, the HG swing works very effectively...and without a doubt, your detailed video explanations explain every facet of the HG swing...and although I’ve only practiced indoors, I have smoked the ball...and what I find, it’s very easy on the joints, more so than any other method...something that is so very important to senior golfers...so keep them videos a rolling!
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 3 жыл бұрын
Well said and I agree with you for the most part. Where I disagree is the storage of torque. If you think about it when you throw a ball you're able to store torque in your arm because it's relaxed and essentially allows the twist and torque to be stored before the muscles tighten and take over removing the stored torque and throwing the ball. If your arm is tense the whole time, you'll never store that torque in the arm. It's the relaxation that allows the torque to be stored. I think this is what we know as effortless power like Fred Couples and Cameron Champ. Neither of them look like they're tense at any point in their swing. They look relaxed, but clearly they turn on the power when they need it. I'm trying my best not to convolute things and keep things simple. I have made a newer video where I talk about how I may have been a bit wrong about this video but not in a way anyone would think. You can push off the back foot but it's completely backward from what you'd think and it's not easy to do and I'm not sure it's beneficial to the overall swing. The HG swing isn't really revolutionary it's just stating the obvious that everyone else misses. Everyone who hits the ball well is doing it without knowing it. It's just that simple. All I've done is simply state what is actually happening rather than when people think is happening.
@ulster7717
@ulster7717 4 жыл бұрын
You are correct. A biomechanics study some years ago proved the trail foot does not push off as advocated by coaches like Sean Foley. It was able to show it was virtually the opposite as the right foot was applying a torque on the ground AWAY from the target.
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't have the advantage of biomechanics or a force plate. It's all empirical evidence for me.
@Melted_Butter
@Melted_Butter 4 жыл бұрын
When you say torque AWAY from the target, does that mean the right foot screwing clockwise into the ground?
@ulster7717
@ulster7717 4 жыл бұрын
@@Melted_Butter . That’s correct. As the golfer looks down at the ball the study revealed that the golfers right foot was torquing clockwise. The golfer in the study an elite amateur (+3) was also shown to get most of his speed from his hands and arms. (300 + yard drives). The contrary view is that toque is ( a reaction) caused by the golfers upper body action in the opposite direction.
@Melted_Butter
@Melted_Butter 4 жыл бұрын
Ulster thanks for the clarification 👍🏼
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 4 жыл бұрын
​@@Melted_Butter I can't find where I said that. Anyway, I wouldn't think of it as screwing into the ground as much as a sheer force against the ground. As I described in one of my other videos, to turn the hips away and begin the swing we push forward with the right foot as if you're trying to slide it forward but because it doesn't slide on the ground, your hips move instead. Once the body is turned away then the focus is on the front foot pushing forward just like we did with the back foot and that brings us around through impact. Here's the video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pp_CfZauqLufm5Y
@brendanmuldoongolf9613
@brendanmuldoongolf9613 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve honestly never seen anyone advocating a push like you demonstrate, I have, however , seen someone using the inside of their right foot to push the right hip through and around- I use it myself!
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 4 жыл бұрын
Oh, I've had many an argument about pushing off the back foot. Many instructors absolutely believe they do it. The problem is they tell people to do it, and they actually do it which destroys all athletic motion.
@philmontekle4243
@philmontekle4243 6 ай бұрын
Hogan Mac o Grady Johnny miller all brace and kick in the right foot I find this helps get my weight to the lead side
@kooijbas
@kooijbas 4 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing you know who Mike Malaska is right? 😄 He teaches this as well. However, he does not advocate forearm rotation. He says that's done predominantly by the shoulder socket.
@Prophecy23JC
@Prophecy23JC 3 жыл бұрын
What is your thoughts on the actual activation of your core or lats in the swing? You are keeping your arms loose. Is there any muscles you are flexing during your swing? Also, how do you control ball flight? As well, what about shot shaping? Been binging your videos. Havent seem anything on these things.
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 3 жыл бұрын
You're right. I haven't done a video about shaping shots. I probably should although if you can hit the ball straight you can play anywhere. I don't actively activate any specific muscle purposely. My body just does whatever it needs to to complete the task at hand. The basic idea is to just have one task that you think about and if that one task is proper everything else happens naturally.
@PatBuckleyracecar
@PatBuckleyracecar 3 жыл бұрын
Push with right foot first then transition to bracing with left foot.
@thomasdavico3107
@thomasdavico3107 4 жыл бұрын
Firstly, let's establish the direction in which force in the right foot can travel by design. Secondly, in your case you come away from left bend very early in your motion therefore require a sinking right leg/pelvis in order to strike the ball. The right foot can absolutely push off if you load into it in transition, but it depends on how you choose to pivot as to whether it becomes a necessary match up. Always coach the person in front of you 👍
@leepetersen4082
@leepetersen4082 Жыл бұрын
rewatching! yer a genius! We need a fix master...please feed us sumthin!
@marypar4
@marypar4 Жыл бұрын
Agree completely..You and David Lee get it!!!
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf Жыл бұрын
I don't know who David Lee is but I'll look him up. Usually, when someone is mentioned like that I am familiar with who they are, I've just forgotten their name. Ok, yeah, Gravity Golf. They have a lot of great concepts and principles.
@marypar4
@marypar4 Жыл бұрын
@@HolyGrailOfGolf yes Gravity golf..he has similar belief ...that you fall to the left as you describe and let the club come down. He recently died but his son carry on his legacy. Love your videos..one of the most knowledgeable folks on you tube! Wish you continued success.
@peterrutkowski8172
@peterrutkowski8172 3 жыл бұрын
Gravity doesn't work sideways, i.e. gravitational forces don't allow one to fall sideways. Ergo, you certainly resist - and push slightly to move from one side to another. This guy usually has great input.
@adriancoca2250
@adriancoca2250 3 жыл бұрын
Great videos boss thank you!
@jjpac2011
@jjpac2011 4 жыл бұрын
This is a great tip and gonna try it tomorrow. This move can be violent if you want more power and clubhead speed. I'm wondering if it can lead to knee and hip problems later.
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 4 жыл бұрын
If you over-do it, sure. Tiger jacked his knee because he was snapping it straight and hyper-extending it. This is a natural action that you shouldn't have to think about. The problem really is that adults overthink the golf swing to death and lose all their natural motion and movements. It'd be like trying to walk by trying to actively control each and every muscle.
@kurtheitman552
@kurtheitman552 4 жыл бұрын
I actually visualized a pitcher's throwing motion when that kid at Top Golf was doing his natural swing. Kind of a natural hybrid. Have you ever heard of George Hibbard? He published a book called, "Golf's Truths, and Everything Else." He has a KZbin video out there as well. I think you would love his ideas. He says almost the same thing you are saying when it comes to moving your weight. Another genius video Scrib. Love it. I would hire you as a coach.
@norbertdrust9009
@norbertdrust9009 Жыл бұрын
So how do you recommend the shift of weight to the front leg to happen?
@alandougan4689
@alandougan4689 4 жыл бұрын
This guy is fascinating. I’ll give this a go!
@TheLastBabyBoomer
@TheLastBabyBoomer 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis. The fall from the top is an interesting thought on starting the downswing. I would assume you would just free fall a few inches toward the ball line and then catch yourself with the rest of your downswing, thru the ball and towards the target. This theory made go back and look at Cameron Champ as he seems to fall into his downswing.
@dmartins3531
@dmartins3531 4 жыл бұрын
You are correct there is a look of a push off but it is indeed a fall to the front foot, if you actually pushed off you would land so much further down the line
@ggoblue
@ggoblue 3 жыл бұрын
Dude...that video was gold 👍
@keigop5668
@keigop5668 3 жыл бұрын
Thank u.
@donkeyjoe4782
@donkeyjoe4782 4 жыл бұрын
Every time I push off the back foot my swing path changes to an outside to in path.
@tylerkrug7719
@tylerkrug7719 4 жыл бұрын
You make a very good point
@GolfTestDummy
@GolfTestDummy 4 жыл бұрын
A long time ago, in a VHS world.... There was a system that came out called Gravity Golf by David Lee. The heave, then counterfall, were key components. Their KZbin channel is still going today and his son, Daniel, has taken the wheel. But he gave examples in other sports and one of them was a place kicker in football. How they plant and go "off vertical". A lot of people write it off because of the heave. It employs an insane amount of flying right elbow, so I think it puts people off, but the principles off counterfall are related to what you're saying in this video. Great stuff!
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 4 жыл бұрын
I'm familiar with Gravity Golf. I'm not advocating anything any athletic person isn't already doing. What I'm illustrating is what actually happen and what people think is happening are completely opposite. So, when they try to do what they think they see it's fails miserably. Knowing what actually happens makes a huge difference in the ability to perform.
@GolfTestDummy
@GolfTestDummy 4 жыл бұрын
@@HolyGrailOfGolf Agree with that completely. I think the technology we have today is awesome, but it has created an entire vein of data and still frames that mislead a lot of us.
@thomasfraser9072
@thomasfraser9072 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry Overhand. You just demonstrated a great way for golfers to blow their knee out of their joints. The golf swing is a two axle , two lever, two pendulum swing and the weight shift should be barely detectable by the golfer or if it is; not forced in any way. If all golfer were to become skeletal players and simply allow all the bones in their body to push back altogether on their backswing and foreword altogether on the downswing swing Newton laws in a golf swing would be obeyed every single time. All the muscles in our body certainly protect our bones and joints from collapsing on one another: but can only pull as we are swinging our club. So logic tell us our bones must push. Muscles have no sense of direction: only our bones and joints can give us that as both muscles and bones communicate with our central nervous system with our brain at the top of it. Your Holy Grail occurs by our pushing as hard or as softly as the golfer likes with all the bones and our joints equally at the very top of every golfers swing. This is when the head of the club repels itself. In fact you showed this happening very well when you invented your ‘turning club head’ and showed us in one of your videos Cheers
@thomblinn4731
@thomblinn4731 8 ай бұрын
Ah...the skeleton key!
@mikebirnie6381
@mikebirnie6381 2 жыл бұрын
You my friend are a genius
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 2 жыл бұрын
I'm no genius for pointing out the obvious, thank you.
@mikebirnie6381
@mikebirnie6381 2 жыл бұрын
@@HolyGrailOfGolf correct!! ..the genius part, is in pointing out the obvious...which is mostly overlooked by everyone...and I fir one appreciate that you do... Best Mike
@jazzed2b
@jazzed2b 3 жыл бұрын
Is is a good idea to take a half or a shorter swing in order to try to get this swing feeling before taking a whole swing?
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 3 жыл бұрын
No, not really. Just knowing that you don't actually push off the back foot should work. Actually, trying to do things in slow motion or miniature motion often confuses people because the torques and inertia aren't present.
@billenright2788
@billenright2788 4 жыл бұрын
Wow. Great info. Makes so much sense.
@rodp1717
@rodp1717 2 жыл бұрын
I fall into my swing...thats my thought. But I keep a the weight on my right foot slightly inside.
@davidd1395
@davidd1395 3 жыл бұрын
Makes perfect sense.
@paull544
@paull544 4 жыл бұрын
good stuff
@TempleQuests
@TempleQuests 4 жыл бұрын
For driver: Combining falling laterally into the left leg, and still wanting to have a + attack angle and club path, would you recommend ball just off lead big toe?
@Lowkey_ID
@Lowkey_ID 3 жыл бұрын
First time out on a golf course they put my hands on a driver, it went straight, it went far. Then I started getting advice on this and that. I've been topping, slicing and going fat ever since.
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 3 жыл бұрын
You got infected with traditional golf instruction. Watch the Holy Grail playlist and it should get you back to doing things naturally.
@andym5900
@andym5900 3 жыл бұрын
Wow great stuff 👍
@maeu59
@maeu59 4 жыл бұрын
Like a car accident, the sudden stop can send you through the windshield.
@MrA8figureman
@MrA8figureman 4 жыл бұрын
that's one way to explain it.
@77777771955
@77777771955 4 жыл бұрын
What about lateral shift?
@barryhill6482
@barryhill6482 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty Good!
@grahamjones7371
@grahamjones7371 4 жыл бұрын
Obviously the downswing is dominated by the left side in the way you describe But for me there is right side compression to add to the right sided pull/throw but the force is directed mainly into the ground and doesnt go further forward in the stance than where youre right knee finishes.Its a holding/compressing action not a push/drive.
@davidlahiff1034
@davidlahiff1034 4 жыл бұрын
Your comment is exactly what Australian Professional golf instructor Bradley Hughes advocates in his many videos. He says that you do not immediately shift over to your left side at the start of the downswing, but push down into the ground with your right foot. This action produces a counter action which activates the left side. Nearly all modern golf instructors advocate using the ground to create power and surely it is not just the left leg that does it. I believe that Bradley now coaches in South Carolina and is swing coach for Brandon Todd.
@grahamjones7371
@grahamjones7371 4 жыл бұрын
@@davidlahiff1034 I think its a combination of both! The trouble I have with the left sided gravity fall is this would happen too slow . Obviously it helps but there has to be a dynamic/athletic action and/or the fall starts when the club is still halfway back.This guy has some great videos on here eg 3rd leg which have helped me get my hcp down to 4 at 60yr .There is one which Im feeling a lot now which he mentions in this video of the swing starting from club parallel on the downswing! I think this is roughly where HG is for me its late acceleration.
@detlefstronk9479
@detlefstronk9479 4 жыл бұрын
This is only one possibility. You also can start the downswing with your right foot if you press it down together with the holy grail move and then roll the inside of the right foot forwards. The left hip will turn by itself and you have enough room to swing the right arm. Every good tennis player knows this movement hitting a forceful forehand with an open stance.
@HHHWLH
@HHHWLH 4 жыл бұрын
Sir, you are not a moron. I think you are a genius!
@olegawf4933
@olegawf4933 2 жыл бұрын
A similar swing won 2022 Masters
@TitleistGuy
@TitleistGuy 4 жыл бұрын
I typically need to feel my weight shift back left (as a righty) as soon as my club is passing my right thigh basically.
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 4 жыл бұрын
That's the natural motion. You should be moving forward while the club is still going backward.
@TitleistGuy
@TitleistGuy 4 жыл бұрын
@@HolyGrailOfGolf Question for you ... do you give lessons and if so where approximately are you located?? I'm in Michigan myself.
@rogersmith5383
@rogersmith5383 4 жыл бұрын
Hi overhand still using the HG swing but found flaring the front foot outwards and hitting out to right field.I put a noodle with an old shaft about 2 metres in the ground on line and hit to the right of it this allows me to open my body,very dynamic.
@Jeremy_Walker
@Jeremy_Walker 4 жыл бұрын
Great content. You have to push before you post. You absolutely are pushing into your post as part of the swing.
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 4 жыл бұрын
Well, like I said, it's more of a fall from balance than a push. I think I need to make another video about that move. It's a little more complicated and I can explain it much better now that I've thought more about it.
@Jeremy_Walker
@Jeremy_Walker 4 жыл бұрын
@@HolyGrailOfGolf Again, love your content. 100% a thumbs up. I think I get where you were going the more I thought about it as well. You aren't pushing into the ball, you are posting into the ball. Still, no way to stack the hips on the left leg without pushing I don't think.
@JohnMartin-jx1wz
@JohnMartin-jx1wz 4 жыл бұрын
Ground force is already there. No need to push.
@seankinni
@seankinni 4 жыл бұрын
When you look at DTL videos this is exactly why it appears great ballstrikers drop their head down (TIGER), there falling forward not going down to get the ball as Brandell would say?
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 4 жыл бұрын
Are you talking about what is called "the heavy head?" If so, I made a video about that. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aX2Xc4Z_n62no9U
@billyt9921
@billyt9921 4 жыл бұрын
Some really interesting ideas..... love this stuff
@kourt2469
@kourt2469 3 жыл бұрын
It's always the bad golfers out here trying to teach others how to golf 🤣
@moosehook
@moosehook 6 ай бұрын
I guess when you push off the right side INCORRECTLY, you will have issues. Definettly do not push off the right side UNLESS you want better compression and speed! And whoever said to also push with your shoulder as you stated?
@BloodySoup74
@BloodySoup74 2 жыл бұрын
Gravity Golf! Forgot the author of the vhs tapes I had back in the day. Lee something.
@lsjameschannel
@lsjameschannel 4 жыл бұрын
I think you may be a secret genius. I have watched a few of your videos and ... can golf be this simple and intuitive? Some teaching Pros may be out of a job.
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 4 жыл бұрын
It is that simple! I expect the PGA of America's hitmen to be knocking on my door soon.
@borislavvorkapic3286
@borislavvorkapic3286 4 жыл бұрын
watched this video friday evening and shot a 3 under 69 on saturday. thank you !🙋‍♂️
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 4 жыл бұрын
It's crazy how easy golf can be as long as you're not trying to do the wrong things. Great round! Is that your career low? I'm happy to hear that I've done another person good! How 'bout a donation? paypal.me/OverhandGolf I'm kinda surprised that I'm not getting more tips and donations. I mean, people pay hundreds for a new driver or irons and hundreds more on DVDs and lessons that do them little or no good. I have truly simplified the swing to the point of almost near ridiculousness and it's transforming people's golf games and only a few nice people have given me a donation. I don't mean to guilt you into anything. You do what feel is right. I don't want to be a jerk, but my wife keeps saying to me, "Why are you just giving it away for free? You're wasting your time!" I'd like to prove here wrong. Play well!
@borislavvorkapic3286
@borislavvorkapic3286 4 жыл бұрын
@@HolyGrailOfGolf happy wife - happy life😁 i donated a little bit. yeah, career best was +1 also this season. i think you are absolutely right with your approach to easy golf (less thinking and body parts) and i believe people don't donate, because they don't think about it. i started golf six years ago and have found loads of valuable information on you tube. yours is right up there with "more professional" and aknowledged teachers like mike malaska. i've seen nearly all your gscribling content (also great) but for me it's way better to have the teacher demontrate and explain in person (like you are doing now).
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 4 жыл бұрын
@@borislavvorkapic3286 Wow, thank you. I'm not very used to talking to the camera. I suppose I'll get better the more I do it.
@thesecretsinthe366
@thesecretsinthe366 4 жыл бұрын
A throwing (hitting) block
@celt130
@celt130 Жыл бұрын
Isn't this done in boxing to produce more power?
@eddierog23
@eddierog23 4 жыл бұрын
I have always loved your shit!
@e.g.flores2819
@e.g.flores2819 4 жыл бұрын
That’s correctly stated. And when the left hip rotates backwards it will accelerate your club just like when a boat turns and the water skier shoots out much faster, same concept.
@paultompkins6148
@paultompkins6148 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed you don’t push from the back foot. I would say that you move force into the front foot before competing the back swing tho. Enjoy your videos and thoughts apart from the one with 🐕😂
@JohnMartin-jx1wz
@JohnMartin-jx1wz 4 жыл бұрын
The ground is already pushing back.
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 4 жыл бұрын
I truly don't see how anyone claims they're taking energy from the ground or the ground is pushing back. The ground isn't doing anything. Our muscles are doing it all. If I waited for the ground to push back I'll be there all day. I've never heard this in any other sport. No one says the ground is pushing the pole vaulter up, or the basketball player toward the hoop. Actually, the opposite is true, gravity is pulling us down and allowing us to remain on the ground.
@JohnMartin-jx1wz
@JohnMartin-jx1wz 4 жыл бұрын
@@HolyGrailOfGolf Your last sentence almost gets it. There truly is no source as things arise together. www.buddhistinquiry.org/article/zazen-is-not-the-same-as-meditation/
@thomasfraser9072
@thomasfraser9072 3 жыл бұрын
The person you are showing is swinging on one axle his trail hip. Clever trick; but don’t try this at home on your local golf course. Unless you want ambulance service. 😂
@dtee06
@dtee06 4 жыл бұрын
14:48 me all over again .
@congero113
@congero113 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting analysis. The falling part is actually how we humans walk. It’s a balancing act of falling forward off the planted to the other foot. So this move is already programmed very deeply inside the instinctual parts of our brains. Seems like in golf we need to get out of our own way and let this instinct take over more. This is my new favorite golf channel. Thank you sir!
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 4 жыл бұрын
Years ago, I was a 3d animator. I worked on Tekken3. We studied the way the body works. We humans are incredibly lazy or should I say efficient. As you said, a walk is really a stumble forward or series of falling and catching ourselves. The interesting thing is that we only lift our foot off the ground just high enough that it doesn't drag. This is why we stubbed our toes as kids - we were learning how high we needed to lift the foot. A lot of what we do, we do naturally, if we allow ourselves to do it. If we think too much about it, you interrupt the process. That's what adults do with golf. Way too much thinking.
@BruceBusby
@BruceBusby 4 жыл бұрын
It's simple. Put some cardboard under your right foot. You'll find out what your right foot does when you swing. Then do it under your left foot
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 4 жыл бұрын
I'm unclear of your point here. I was going to include a video I have of a golfer on ice but that's more about the sheer forces of the feet on the ground. I plan to make a video about that but I didn't want to confuse people with that in this video.
@BruceBusby
@BruceBusby 4 жыл бұрын
@@HolyGrailOfGolf my point is, your right foot (assuming a right handed golfer) should twist out (clockwise) and away from the target to propel you towards the lead side leg. Next: The left side should push up and back from the target at roughly 45* to allow you to accelerate vertically. Standing on cardboard or ice should demonstrate this. Your video is correct that you don't push off your back foot at impact but, I believe you do push off at the transition and very early downswing
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 4 жыл бұрын
@@BruceBusby Good point and you're basically correct. As I think I said before there are sheer forces between our feet and the ground ... I was thinking of making a video about it ... I guess I should. Maybe later today.
@jakestoneking4688
@jakestoneking4688 4 жыл бұрын
Who ever is still promoting a push off the trail foot in the golf swing is the true “moron”. Did that move for years and it made me an expert at hitting snap hooks...blocks...and the dreaded S-word!!!!! Can’t believe any reputable swing coach would promote that. Great vid 👍
@HVACKABOOM
@HVACKABOOM 4 жыл бұрын
Good point, the most natural way to run is a mid foot plant rather than a heel strike. You literally stop yourself from falling forward.
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 4 жыл бұрын
It's interesting that what we think we see it's actually what is happening. When we see the hips turn most people immediately think there was a push forward from the back foot. Afterall, that's what it looks like, but upon close scrutiny the opposite is true. It's actually the left hip that went backward because of pushing from the front foot. There's a lot of that in golf.
@HVACKABOOM
@HVACKABOOM 4 жыл бұрын
@@HolyGrailOfGolf 10 points. You can't see the transfer of energy or weight on any film no matter how slomo you go. It really is smoke and mirrors. I believe it was Sam Snead or Ben Hogan who gave advice on Moe Norman's swing or grip the day before a match. He blistered his hands trying to adopt their advice. They took him out before the first game swing. Gamesmanship is the term, golf has always been the greatest democratiser for me. It doesn't matter how much power or money you have on the course all are equal.
@tinytoons2517
@tinytoons2517 4 жыл бұрын
I played baseball does that mean I can play golf . .
@MikeHatzilias
@MikeHatzilias 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, take your mitt out to the fairway and catch your buddies drives
@jerrystruke9938
@jerrystruke9938 4 жыл бұрын
You can see Hogan "falling" in this golf swing kzbin.info/www/bejne/i52cYmukrt1rj9E
@MrA8figureman
@MrA8figureman 4 жыл бұрын
Who is arguing with you, not me sir. You way too big.
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 4 жыл бұрын
You wouldn't believe how many people are adamantly sure that we push off the back foot. No matter how much I show them and prove to them they refuse to believe.
@jteddy11
@jteddy11 Жыл бұрын
Wow, missed this one from back when, great video as usual. I have just watched your Matzie Assist video also, what do you think about the GEM training aid? If anybody could explain why it wobbles on a so called bad swing, you could. Here is a video link of a discussion kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5nHnaSVjch_oJI
@cynt1111
@cynt1111 4 жыл бұрын
Quick you need to ring McIlroy DJ rahm Tiger Phil and most of the top coaches in the world they don’t know this.
@method341
@method341 4 жыл бұрын
there's just too much conflicting advice regarding golf. GG is all about back foot.
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 4 жыл бұрын
Not that I know of. Look for yourself at every good golfer and watch exactly when they actually start to swing forward, not the wind-up or backswing. If you look very closely you'll see the back foot is unweighted and the front foot is the one providing resistance. If you aren't looking closely it does "look like" they're pushing off the back foot.
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 4 жыл бұрын
George is right down the street from me. I'd cost me $500/hour. I wanted to take a lesson with him years ago before he was famous but the course never returned my phone calls. I told George about it and he said, "Too late now. I'm booked for the next couple years."
@method341
@method341 4 жыл бұрын
so you're saying theres no need to transfer weight to my back foot in the backswing?
@bga9388
@bga9388 2 жыл бұрын
After 6 mins I stopped watching. This instruction is all over the place. In a swing there's a shift and a turn in a swing. For shifting the distribution of the CoM in the body relocates to the front. This is NOT a push. But when turning; the feet need friction for the legs. With a lot of magnitude in force in many directions. This is the pushing to look for.
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 2 жыл бұрын
I think you should watch the whole thing. I think we agree.
@RobertJohanssonRBImGuy
@RobertJohanssonRBImGuy 4 жыл бұрын
Sean Foley teach to push off for power to golf amateur's and obviously tour pros. I proved him wrong years ago, catching up?
@Prophecy23JC
@Prophecy23JC 3 жыл бұрын
Im not disagreeing. I just want you to search “Jack Nicklaus describing a leverage golf swing”, and tell me your thoughts.
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 3 жыл бұрын
Jack was typical of most good players. They thing they're doing something but they're actually doing something else that they're unaware of. Really, they just know how to do it, not explain it. Which is why most golf instruction is crap.
@Prophecy23JC
@Prophecy23JC 3 жыл бұрын
@@HolyGrailOfGolf Ha
@jamespitts10
@jamespitts10 4 жыл бұрын
Please do not listen to this. Of course the pitcher doesn't throw like that, his arm acts as the golf club's whipping motion. It's a hinge. What this guy and people often don't understand is there are a lot of ways to be consistent and even hit the ball well, and all of them push of the back foot. Not off your toe, it feels like you push laterally off your heel/middle foot. Your welcome. And to say it's a MYTH is outrages lol. If you push off correctly, you go from hitting your 7i 150-160 to 180-190. Tiger woods isn't the only person who is ABLE to hit that far, he is just extremely consistent as well and knows how to push it and when to.
@jamespitts10
@jamespitts10 4 жыл бұрын
Don't be confused when u Google his 7i distances. I'm talking ability. You are ignorant as hell if u doubt that. Js man.
@HolyGrailOfGolf
@HolyGrailOfGolf 4 жыл бұрын
You clearly didn't watch the whole thing. You're one of those people who even though I can prove it's a myth, you still believe it's not. And most likely you're ready to argue your point about it. I'm not talking about the wind-up, I'm talking about the actual swing motion when we start to move the club toward the ball.
@garre71
@garre71 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with him..it is a myth. Sorry..
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