Jim Dent and the Holy Grail of Golf®.

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

Ok, I played today after making this video and with no practice at all, and not feeling well, I shot four under par. Sure, I got lucky on the last hole and made eagle in near total darkness but I have never hit the ball better and more consistent than I did today.

[@alfredmol2771]

"with no practice at all, and not feeling well, I shot four under par...". !!

[@courtneyroy270]

There something quite magical about them old videos, makes me wish I could go back in time thanks for sharing that. 😊👍🇬🇧

[@krisw7625]

I got to play with Mr. Dent a few years ago. He was well into his senior years at the time. Let me tell ya, that guy could absolutely kill the ball. And super accurate as well. He hit the stick on a par five! Incredibly nice guy as well. Thank you for this.

[@miltonpurdy1784]

I have struggled for several years but used to be good. After watching your videos I hit it awesome and seldom miss. Genius way to teach the swing. Thanks

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

I'm happy to hear that I've done another person good! How 'bout a tip? www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=D9KLSZE47S8AY People pay hundreds for a new driver or irons and hundreds more on DVDs and lessons that do them little or no good. I have truly simplified the swing to the point of almost near ridiculousness and it's transforming people's golf games. This is my only source of income these days as the company I worked for has gone under. My wife keeps saying to me, "Why are you just giving it away for free? You're wasting your time!" I'd like to prove her wrong. Play well! Thank you.

[@robo265]

I’ve been working on what you’ve shown us over the last couple of weeks and today at the range i couldn’t believe how much further and straighter I hit the ball, even though it’s only 9 degrees outside. So a big thank you for showing us this concept. Beats everything I seen elsewhere, why you don’t have 100 k plus subscriptions I don’t know just brilliant 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

I think someday the word will get out but I just started really working on the channel a few months ago. Also, I think that golf videos are unique in that if you find one, like this, that really helps you, you DON'T tell your friends about it because you want to beat them. Right? Hopefully, when an 18 index shoots even par everyone will say, "WTF sandbagger! You been taking lessons or what?" and he'll say, "I watched Overhand Golf Channel videos." Hey, how 'bout a tip? 'Causa covid I'm out of work. paypal.me/OverhandGolf

[@jpbernie72]

@@HolyGrailOfGolf heck yeah! I just sent you some money. Are you making money on the golf channel yet? Do you give lessons? You could be a virtual coach as well. Do you have a website? If not, you really need to take this to the next level. You are obviously an excellent athlete and a great coach. And, you lost your job due to Covid and you’re helping people with golf… That’s awesome! Not awesome that you lost your job but that you are making the best out of a crappy situation.

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

​@@jpbernie72 Thank you for your support. This channel is making me a little bit of money, if that's what you were asking. I haven't heard from THE GOLF CHANNEL yet. Maybe someday. I know Chris Como from when he was a kid and we'd talk when I'd see him at the range. I don't know if he'd recognize me now. I do give lessons and I'm working on a website. When we first shut down for covid I thought I'd make the best of my time off and learn some woodworking. I built a few things. My wife didn't seem to be too happy about me being home all the time. I ran out of things to do so I decided if I don't have real work maybe I can do more KZbin. Somehow the channel took off until last Nov when it fell off the map compared to Oct. They say it's because golf season ended in half the world but it's picking back up now, so we'll see. My real job, VFX, is starting to pick up again so I'm hoping that this whole thing was somehow a blessing in disguise. The marriage isn't going to survive covid though. :( It's odd to me that our daughter is praised and supported for training and playing soccer and trying to become a pro but I'm somehow a lazy slob for playing and practicing my profession, golf.

[@CTX50]

@@HolyGrailOfGolf VFX?

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

@@CTX50 Visual effects, my real job.

[@Cappylady555]

Your videos are amazing and insightful! Thank you so much ! Keep making them ! My all time favorite LPGA is Hyo Joo Kim.

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

Me too, obviously. Although, I'm so disappointed that she changed her swing recently. It's not as flowing and athletic as it used to be. Maybe it'll work out. I hope so. She is the inspiration for a lot of my videos.

[@Cappylady555]

You’re absolutely right . Her old swing was so flowy that’s what caught my eyes! She’s my idol. I’m trying so hard to learn that swing. Any tips? I watched her videos over and over for 5 years and sad to say that I’m not even close ! Lol 😂

[@Cappylady555]

Also, I have improved right away after watching your videos ! Thank you ! I’m obsessed now!

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

@@Cappylady555 Sure, the holy grail swing creates that flowing motion that HJK had, especially this Jim Dent type move. I have absolutely been loving this swing and hitting the ball better than ever with no tension or distrust at all.

[@aprillovesgolf7042]

# MINETOO...HJKIM

[@mefrankme]

My wife and I went to a driving range in Portland earlier and I remembered watching this video. I decided to try this and my very first swing,,, BOOM down the middle and long. I was surprised because I felt almost like I made a lazy swing. I did hit many of them to the right afterwards but also more down the middle and long. I truly believe my shots to the right had to do with ball Positioning only. I think this is The Way to swing a golf club and can't wait to go practice it tomorrow.

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

Boom! One thing you have to remember is that some range balls are garbage and won't go straight of God hit 'em. Also, this is golf. You're never going to hit every single shot dead straight. If you could golf wouldn't be much fun. I'm happy to hear that I've done another person good! How 'bout a tip? www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=D9KLSZE47S8AY People pay hundreds for a new driver or irons and hundreds more on DVDs and lessons that do them little or no good. I have truly simplified the swing to the point of almost near ridiculousness and it's transforming people's golf games and only a few nice people have given me a donation. I don't mean to guilt you into anything. You do what feel is right. My wife keeps saying to me, "Why are you just giving it away for free? You're wasting your time!" I'd like to prove her wrong. Play well!

[@jeremymaarman2949]

I absolutely agree with this the lines you drew is exactly what I feel when I swing well. I agree that the entire swing happens “behing the ball” or the right side of the body for the right handed player. This is great as always.

[@jimferrell9503]

I agree with this one. You punch behind the ball but continue to rotate so you dont get stuck back there.

[@troythomason8032]

Followed Jim Dent at the Amana VIP when he was still on the tour in Iowa City. It was a single round 18-hole tourney in those days. He was 4 under after 3 holes and was just crushing the ball. He easily won.

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

That’s a great story. You’re lucky to have been there and watching him when it happened and I’m sure he made it look easy. Often when I’m watching pros I’m following the wrong guys.

[@mikeaustinrules4213]

Super. Just like what Mike Austin taught. Mike told me that it was an upper cut with your rear arm (combined with a proper pivot). Precisely what Jim Dent is showing. (And, by the way, Dent killed it.) You think of it as a direct line, 45 degrees to the right for a right hander. It's a curve, Mike told me, but you think of it as a line. You never think of the target line once you are set up. Also, you hit it off your rear leg. Not in front of you.

[@thatwilldonicely1314]

when i strike the ball well its a feeling of the left side of my body 'disappearing' and letting all the right side lash through, the first thing i thought of when watching Jim Dent's swing was Sam Snead ! cheers

[@harrisonbergeron5393]

Gosh, i had forgotten about Jim Dent....he's a Classic!

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

Me too until I found that video. He seems like he's got heavy hands like a boxer.

[@steveng8727]

"Foul ball to left field" reminds me of a David Duval video where he says "w/ a driver feel like 'flipping a lob wedge over the left shoulder". Watched Dent at Riviera in the 80's and wow.. Thanks for the golf swing ideas..

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

I made a couple other videos about the foul ball left. Check them out if you haven't already.

[@darrendomain4127]

Rick Bradshaw, his coach, the blonde haired guy in the clip, was one of my best friends... He passed a few years ago. Do you know Percy Boomer.... That was their disciple.

[@Grayback1973]

Beautiful swing,very similar to Hogan with that awesome shallowing going on in transition. It amazes me how they swing so "out" from the top and still manage to get "down" to the ball.

[@GolfTestDummy]

When you said, "It's like his whole swing happens on the right side of his body...", I paused for a minute. Wow. Never thought of that. A throw or toss or punch, all happens on the dominate side of our body. When you see the swing in third person, you see the club circling around his whole body. But when you see it from inside, first person, it IS on his right side. The illusion of it circling him is because our backswing is a load up on the opposite side of the target, or behind him, and the downswing only appears in front of him because his torso turns. But it's all still happening on his right side. Just like everything else we do. Great thought here. Wow.

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

Did you just have an ah-ha moment? 💡💡💡

[@GolfTestDummy]

@@HolyGrailOfGolf I think so. I've had some real issue with rotation in the last several years. Mainly, I rotate back fine, I start rotating forward initially, but then stall and flip, and then start rotating again. Most people look at that and see a mechanics issue. I did too for a time. But for a while now, I think it is an intention issue. My mental intent is wrong. An instinct to hit at the ball, rather than to do something like, say, throw the clubhead off the shaft down the fairway. The problem is, changing the program and getting the intent to stick when the rubber meets the road. For some reason, it's extremely hard to change in me. But the swing happening on your right side helps me understand further that my intentions need to be reworked.

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

@@GolfTestDummy I've said this many times but, you need to reprogram your brain by proving yourself wrong. Go hit balls with no regard for where they go. When you can stop thinking about where the ball needs to go and just hit it properly ... it goes where you want it to. That's what this stupid thing, we call a golf club, (that's actually an engineering marvel) does! If you hit it properly it will obey, but if you try to make it go where you want, it won't. What you describe is a common problem. It comes from attempting to swing toward the target. You have to do all sorts of strange compensations in order to swing that direction, which is what you were doing. If you can learn to swing IN THE PROPER DIRECTION you can swing casually but with power and speed. A friend got angry at me the other day when I hit a 5 wood onto a green from ~230 yards. He said, "I have NEVER hit a fairway wood like that!" He swings toward the target and simply cannot believe that swinging 90º right of it, makes the ball go toward the target.

[@mikehoffman3142]

This is what you call easy power. I have watched this video many times. It looks kind of like a single plane swing at the beginning of the backswing. Slightly narrow stance allows him to draw the club back easily inside. He effortlessly loads his right hand and shoulder and then pounds the ball. I can do this swing with my 8-iron and the backswing feels relaxed and tension free. However, with a driver I tend to roll my forearm and suck the club too deep behind me. I tend to swing with my shoulders too flat. I think turning my left shoulder down toward the ball on my backswing will help eliminate rolling forearm and sucking club in too deep. Too bad it's the end of the golf season in Michigan, I want to try my idea now.

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

I talked about that in a video, although I can't remember which one. If you take the club away with the left hand it will tend to roll inward, but if you take it back with the right arm/hand it won't. It's an incredibly simple solution to a problem that a lot of people have. Give it a try. I think what give Jim Dent his power is what I'm calling heavy hands. Like a boxer he's delivering everything he has to the ball and then just letting inertia take it from there.

[@philatkins2512]

My initial thought where Dent is showing the move of the right arm and hand unit, I believe he was trying to explain how you apply an uppercut just as a boxer would apply it. When you make this move everything on the right side moves into the hit and through, hitting off the right side, similar to Mike Austin action.

[@thomasfraser9072]

Whatever he was showing it looked like a right handed Hockey slap shot to me which also places the shaft at the Holy Grail as well. Cheers

[@paulbanney9881]

I am seeing more and more the golf swing is like a baseball swing or pitch. Even the backswing. Look at the right elbow position in the back swing, it is internally rotated just like throwing a baseball or getting ready to receive the pitch with bat hand. Then it goes into external rotation (the elusive laying off of the club) on the downswing again just like a baseball pitch or swing at a baseball with the bat. It is just that one is basically at eye level and the other isn’t. This stuff is not taught anymore. I see that golf is really a reactionary or athletic motion. The modern swing is so different to that of Dent, Snead and Hogan etc. Great video - keep ‘em coming burps and all. 🏌️‍♂️🏌️‍♂️👍👍

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

That's why my channel is called Overhand Golf. Golf is an overhand motion.

[@555Trout]

Exactly correct. You'll appreciate this. Overhand golf dude has it figured out. But there were a few before him. Austin had it figured out too. Golf went so sideways with open to closed face I can't even quantify it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5vZloCdqZlkma8

[@stephenmarkwood5353]

@@HolyGrailOfGolf p

[@tony1999c]

good modern golf swing

[@7skeeter]

ROTATION is the reason the club gets in such great position on his downswing. Watch his hips and footwork. So perfect! No mention of that in the video whatsoever. You’re just saying he’s throwing the club down to the ball.

[@simplecarnivore]

If you want to throw something you dont think about rotation.. A pitcher never thinks to himself ok i have to rotate.. The throwing motion itself results in automatic rotation without thinking about it.

[@7skeeter]

@@simplecarnivore I get what you’re saying, but the major swing fault in amateurs is lack of rotation and over extension. Telling them to throw their hands/club at the ball is misguided.

[@tmc3980]

@@7skeeter holy grail doesn't say to throw your hands or arms AT the ball

[@clydefonner9122]

@@tmc3980 at 1:01 he says Dent is throwing the club at the ball. What did I miss?

[@lillybloom1590]

Dent was very famous for hitting up on the ball, moreso than most players in his day and now.

[@plentyofouts]

Terrific swing. The more I look at these top shallowers, the more i think Mike Austin is right. It's an immediate throw from the top. Left wrist attempts to ulnar deviate and flex, and right wrist also trying to ulnar deviate and increase extension. It's like trying to throw the clubhead straight down to the ground and about 45⁰ to the side and behind you. You're right, we're not trying to direct the clubhead to the ball.

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

Yes, It sounds like you've got it. The interesting thing is that like Mike Austin says you're trying to ulnar deviate but the turn of the body and the lag/inertia of the club prevents you from actually doing it.

[@plentyofouts]

@@HolyGrailOfGolf Seems there's nothing passive about the hands in a swing like Jim's. It's weird, cause the timing and feel of it seems wrong, but it all looks right when you see it on the camera.

[@plentyofouts]

Him and Finau look very similar to me now i look at it again.

[@darrendomain4127]

I live 2 minutes where this video was shot... Rick Bradshaw is his coach. Rick was a Percy Boomer disciple. I need help. It worked so well at first, now I'm struggling with the spot. Can you please help me.

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

Video coming out about it soon.

[@azcharlie2009]

I like the idea of "the swing happens on the right side of the body". But really, it's the swing before impact. After impact, the swing moves quickly to the left side. If you watch his hands, they turn over very quickly just before impact. This is the key most people miss. It's not a flip. It's a result. PS: Always loved Jim Dent!

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

I would disagree with the idea that his hands quickly move to the left side of his body. Look closely and you'll see his hands move from the right side of his body to the front of his body and stay there. They then move up and slightly left as the club goes over his left shoulder. So, rather than thinking right to left, it's right to front.

[@azcharlie2009]

@@HolyGrailOfGolf I didn't say that. I said the swing moves. Really, the hands and arms stay in front of your body relative to you, at all points of the swing. But If an observer looks at him from the front, the club starts on his right and ends up on the right. The body just turns. What I meant was, his wrists and arms rotate rapidly just before impact. Almost all great players do this. All slicers don't.

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

@@azcharlie2009 Ok, great. I just wanted to make clear that we do not move the hands laterally across the pelvis from one side of the body to the other. So many people believe that without knowing it and they try to do it. I explain slice and OTT in the perception video, but you are right about the hands.

[@TheCaptain0909]

wow. bolling ??? really?? amazing~~~!!thanks

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

What's bolling?

[@spondiveswandive561]

Bowling

[@rtmiv2030]

Looks like Count Yogi's swing, Dent even seemed to hit up on the ball.

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

Really, I don't think so. Yogi was just such an odd fellow with a swing to match, but he could hit it.

[@fourftr]

He swings just like the great Mike Austin. No mystery in Dent swing if you studied Mike Austin swing and Mike Dunaway

[@mikeaustinrules4213]

He does indeed. (I watched Jim Dent at the Syracuse classic. He killed it and won the tournament on two occasions.) That's exactly the same motion Mike Austin taught during my lessons. The club comes from behind you and at a 45 degree angle directly to the ball. The turning of the body with the proper pivot.

[@Latebloomergolf]

Mike Austin's videos have me hitting 180 yard 7 irons . Only played golf for under a year. This is the best way to hit golf balls. Period

[@robo265]

👍

[@danman3050]

do you think hes trying to say dont let the right knuckles drop through impact like firing a pistol but to have the feeling of keeping them up through the hit

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

I think what you're talking about is ulnar deviation and I've made a few videos about that. Basically, your right wrist will add nothing to the speed of the club. Can you punch harder or slap with just your wrist harder?

[@caribber1]

Does one of your previous or later videos concentrate on the foul ball to left field topic?

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

Yes, but off the top of my head I couldn't tell you which ones. Here is one, but I'm afraid you'll have to look through the others for more. You may discover something else that you find interesting as well. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2Xdh2R3YpWXftU

[@555Trout]

Doug Sanders comes to mind also.

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

Yeah! I'll have to take another look at DS.

[@555Trout]

@@HolyGrailOfGolf Here's another for you to contemplate. Dan could smash it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5vZloCdqZlkma8

[@saabtech3510]

@@555Trout Yes. Dan Pohl is a great example! This footage was at Oak Hill in Rochester NY.

[@keehur1025]

Hi OG, hope this comment finds you feeling better and back on the course. Quick question: you mention that his swing would be similar to baseball except foul to left field. Wouldn’t it be a foul to right field? (For a right handed golfer) Please let me know when you can. Thanks.

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

It's left field ... I did a video where I explain that every golf shot is essentially a foul ball left. See when we swing a baseball bat we intend to strike the ball with the barrel of the bat or shaft in the case of a golf club. But a golf club has another "bat" at the end that we call the clubhead and it's got a different angle on it than that shaft or the barrel of the bat and that would cause the ball to go left in a baseball swing or upward (and straight toward the target) in a golf swing. I should probably make another video about that. It's a really easy concept to demonstrate but not so easy to explain.

[@keehur1025]

@@HolyGrailOfGolf thank you for the quick response and explanation. I hadn’t seen the video prior to asking the question. I have watched it now. I get what you are talking about. Thank you.

[@Pentimenti]

Tony Finau - that’s why he’s backing swing is abbreviated

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

I thought of Finau when I made the last video, but I think you're absolutely right.

[@chadschulze7892]

iv'e swung conventional for years and hated it...this is the closest thing to what my brain feels as "the release" watching this vid...i don't describe it because people think your wacky and punch you in the face...my opinion golf swings should start from the strike first then getting fast momentum....

[@ScottSanderz19]

If I’m nothing mistaken he was a Jimmy Ballard student wasn’t he?

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

That, I do not know.

[@richardcarr9447]

Dent like Hogan kicked that right knee in at address...solid position

[@drkside53]

Dent’s coach was Jimmy Ballard

[@richardcarr9447]

@@drkside53 thanks I have Ballards dvd The Connection

[@justapedn1]

Compare Dent’s swing to John Rahm’s. Bet they’re similar, especially comparing length of backswing. Both big hitters.

[@redsmith1144]

I was trying to figure out which golfer Dent’s swing reminded me of. You nailed it.

[@mesillahills]

Great player but he couldn't putt under pressure. Trevino tried to help him with that. There are and were great right arm and hand hitters. One young gun pro named David Knighton of Homosassa, Florida did that. He actually showed me how to do it, but you have to be big and strong so it was not for me. David could break par using his right hand only on the club which he did for fun from time to time. And he could hit par 5 greens in 2 with his broken left arm in a sling on his chest. To see him drill it 270 to 280 with his right hand only on the club was amazing. He just center punched it. Everyone told David that his swing looked effortless. But he told me that in actuality he is hitting as hard as he can with his lower right arm and hand near impact. It just looks like I am swinging easy said David. Also David said, " pretend to knock the backrest clean off a golf cart with your right arm as you swing past the seating area. He also said he preferred to be a right arm/hand hitter rather than other traditional ways of hitting the ball (which he had tried). Some of the all-time greats did that too. While David never became a touring pro he did go to qualifying school and came within one final round of making the U.S. Open field (at Bay Hill). I followed him around that day. Actually the members paid to send him to qualifying school. They all knew how good he was. While he had the game, he lacked the passion. The old swings of Nicklaus and Casper derived power from leg drive. The "Modern Golf Swing" derives power from winding up big body trunk muscles on a very level and horizontal arm and shoulder "connected to the body" plane. There is less emphasis on legs for power and it is a much simpler swing. There is also way less requirement for timing. David told me directly that he derived very little power from his legs. As a big tall and strong guy, he just wound up that body and at the end cut that right arm/hand loose to hit it hard. He also said to remember that given a square club face at impact the ball goes where the club goes through the ball. Hence you have the Tiger "stinger" as you go through low. Nicklaus has said that starting over today, he would use "The Modern Golf Swing" and does not even advocate what he did with his legs. His own son Gary does not use his dad's old swing and Nicklaus said that he understands why. He even supports it. Having used both myself, "The Modern Golf Swing" is a much better swing and extends your playing days of good golf by at least 20 years. Start that club back with your big body trunk muscles, not "snatch" it back with your arms and shoulders (which we all did all of our lives). Carry those arms and shoulders back WITH YOUR BODY TRUNK MUSCLES and keep them CENTERED to your body's lead. Your rotator cuffs then only go up and down, not all around. Goodbye timing and the range game FINALLY carries to the first tee. Timing only sticks in your brain about 2 minutes tops. But an unconnected arm, shoulder, shoulder cuff, and body swing IS ALL TIMING. Not good and is the main reason most players remain hacks all of their lives !!! When Curtis Strange won back-to-back U.S. Opens, that was the beginning of the modern golf swing which he used. His wildly moving head (which is part of it) was widely criticized at the time. Some people credit Jimmy Ballard for this whole revolution which changed golf forever.

[@mikekaisher]

I remember 35 or 40 years ago when he was interviewed about his swing and he said he was working on his taking the club back on the same plane as his forward swing to eliminate any manipulation of club for needless tweaks and loss of speed

[@keernhaslem1845]

“He runs out of arm, and suddenly the club gets ripped around and redirected right down the target.”

[@mrtony6250]

Watch Ben Hogan Golf swing - then watch Jim Dent Golf Swing . Some People don’t know this part do you .

[@bobsnooker.3950]

Do you not see that it all works from his feet up. Right heel to left heel weight transfer in a linear fashion and the club will just flow along its natural part with no manipulation. the upper body just reacts to the motion of the feet . Try it.

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

In my opinion you have it completely backward. The intention is to hit the ball and the body supports that intention. You simply cannot swing a golf club, or anything for that matter, by just moving your weight or feet. When you throw a ball your intention is to throw and your brain and body does whatever is necessary to make that happen.

[@bobsnooker.3950]

@@HolyGrailOfGolf You say i have it backwards yet i agree with everything you say after that the power comes from the ground up naturally you swing the club back as you move back and as you move forward the club swings forward, in both cases the weight transfer from the feet comes first . Try it.

[@guitar1950]

I've been studying Marcus Bell's Zen Golf Mechanic videos. His emphasis is on the pressures into the feet and how the body movements are influenced by the correct pressures in the feet. I've tested it myself and found that it works. Performing foot drills as Marcus uses and then focusing only on the way the weight pressures into the feet influences the way the rest of the body moves. I don't disagree with Overhand Golf instruction on what part of the club to swing (part of the shaft vs. club head) but the only part of the body in contact with the ground are the feet.

[@guitar1950]

@@HolyGrailOfGolf I understand your point but see my comment to Bob Snooker. Then go watch Zen Golf Mechanic and test it for yourself.

[@bobsnooker.3950]

@@guitar1950 Thanks Dave Marcus is the man on this and a few hours following his instruction leads to an unbelievable feeling of how the swing works and how the club can be delivered at speed and with accuracy. It also seriously de clutters the mind. Keep swinging.

[@turnbolt11]

Keeps the weight on the lead leg, leans forward and keeps the lead arm straight thrusting the club forward with the trail arm and hip turn. This is stack and tilt at its finest. Like Hogan. I see what you are doing with the line but I feel like it's misleading for an amateur. They will focus on looping the club and throwing it straight down and not the finer points of stack and tilt.

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

The line and the loop were exactly what I was trying to convey. The idea of swinging in a circle around your body is ludicrous. Yes, it does happen but no one thinks of swinging a baseball bat in that manner and nearly everyone can do that pretty well. It's the idea of the golf swing that is flawed, which is why children who now nothing about golf can strike a ball with no problem.

[@siftingtrutheshit2380]

I've watched probably 10 thousand or so videos on KZbin about the golf swing and this by far is most ridiculous explanation.bar none.

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

In a good way?

[@siftingtrutheshit2380]

@@HolyGrailOfGolf nope.

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

@@siftingtrutheshit2380 Ok. In a few years when you realize it's not ridiculous, in a bad way, let me know. I have a question though. First, my guess is that you're fairly new to golf ... or have been playing for only a few years. Don't you find it odd that you're the only one that thinks its stupid or ridiculous? Maybe everyone else understands something or things that you don't? Don't be so quick to disregard that which you don't understand. You shouldn't be looking to reassure your incorrect beliefs but rather to prove them wrong. That's how science works. That which cannot be proven wrong, is assumed to be right. You cannot teach trigonometry to a basic math student. They simply cannot understand. The same is true with a novice golfer. Advanced concepts seem ridiculous or foolish to them because of their lack of understanding.

[@siftingtrutheshit2380]

@@HolyGrailOfGolf You make lots of assumptions...I'll start with your first I'm new to golf... 20yrs almost playing...lowest hcp I got to was +0.4 ...i also don't have or need a science degree to understand the what is in essence a pretty simple procedure of swinging a golf club but fools like yourself like to try micro explain secret moves and basically bullshit your way to get naive fools to beleive you actually know something they dont...it's laughable and your explaination like I said above ridiculous....

[@HolyGrailOfGolf]

@@siftingtrutheshit2380 In that case why are you looking at instructional golf videos? Micro explaining? Are you serious? It doesn't get simpler than this. You seem to have a lot of hostility. Let it go, man. It's only a golf video. If you don't like it, move on. No one's forcing you to agree.