This Grip Change FINALLY got me over 500ft | The Data Series Begins

In a wild turn of events, the first Data Series episode goes absolutely rogue when Mikey learns that he can now throw over 500 ft. How does this happen? Watch to find out!
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0:00 - Intro
1:17 - The turn
2:13 - Loose Grip vs. Tight Grip thoughts
3:58 - Testing the theory
6:56 - A break from the crisis
7:49 - What is up with grip?
10:09 - The findings
10:54 - Out to the field
13:19 - heartbreak
14:15 - 520 FT!
15:12 - Josh's conclusions

[@brannnnnnn]

What is mashed potato grip?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

A firm grip

[@OBWanLasTrueDon]

its when u grip so hard it mashes the disc shape

[@rtzeexy374]

@@OverthrowDiscGolfyou mean its another name for power grip?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@rtzeexy374 no. It’s a way of saying he gripped hard

[@professorb3744]

⁠lol😂

[@BillFromAZ]

Mikey, next time you are doing a distance test....start by putting a cone out at a set distance. It not only shows how far the disc went without constantly measuring, but it also gives an aiming point.

[@hop_addict]

As a disc golfing engineer who loves data, this is freaking amazing!!! I immediately bought a techdisc after watching this. This is some of the best disc golf content I have ever seen!

[@HyzerFlip]

So bummed to see that these are $300 after looking it up.

[@hubterk]

With a mashed grip, the throw was consistently nose down 3 degrees. Loose, he was nose up on 4 of 5 throws.

[@5stringaustin]

That was the biggest difference I noticed as well!

[@timeandspacevintage3380]

Came to say the exact same thing

[@WillEnj0y]

This was my experience as well. I did this at the field last night. Did manage to break my previous distance record but not by much. 405 feet. My drives did feel like they were going 5-15 feet further on average but nothing significant enough for me to say conclusively that the grip is better.

[@Joeaxtell]

Congrats Mikey! And this series may be the best thing to happen to disc golf education for years to come!

[@favio333333]

These are the type of videos that disc golf is missing. Ball golf is all over the data, disc golf should be doing the same! Excited to see more

[@rridorswiftblade6494]

Congrats on 500!! And I have noticed similar I moved me thumb down alittle more to the center of the disc and focused on grip pressure about a week ago and now throwing an easy 50 to 75 feet farther

[@carlrathburn8722]

This is so freaking awesome! CONGRATS MIKEY AND TO THE ENTIRE OVERTHROW CREW FOR THE NEW BUILDING! I absolutely love the use of the tech and how it was used to disect each part of this and am very excited to see how this can help all of us going forward!

[@bennewman4627]

I think this is my favorite disc golf content I've seen in a very long time! This series is going to be awesome and super interesting! Keep up the great work!

[@williamt906]

Great video! What I liked most is the genuine excitement you can see in Mikey AND Josh's eyes... legit in the final scene Josh is just beaming when talking about future testing and tinkering!

[@joking78]

Congrats!!! That's awesome. I'll have to say, your video on staying loose and letting your hand naturally grip as needed was the one that helped me break some PRs. It mainly helped me keep the nose down.

[@cedrominiatures9170]

I’m stoked for you, and hopeful for more growth! Just started truly implementing the out in out swing and added 30-40 feet average on my drives. I’m finally able to consistently break 350! Once I’ve mastered that more consistently with the timing I’ll start working on the grip, and who knows! Thanks for all the content, it’s made a huge difference for me in the year I’ve been playing. You’re appreciated!

[@rustystrings0908]

How do I go from 5'6 to 6'5 in height? Does Mikey have that tip?

[@matholthe]

Eat broccoli 😂

[@pixrguy]

I can’t even imagine 500. I’m still hopeful for consistently hitting over 400 in the next few months.

[@seancarver7905]

Same. I’m stuck at like 340 max.

[@krummyskill8202]

Yeah. I don't think i even consistently hit 300 lol.

[@WillEnj0y]

Same. I can hit 400 maybe 1/20 drives and I wish I could do it more consistently. My form must just be bad.

[@adamlawrence3213]

Yes! This is the type of disc golf content I’ve been waiting for. Data vs. Anecdotes is awesome. Also I have been struggling with this exact same grip question for like 3 years… thank you for putting this out. I will subscribe so I can see more data based experiments. Thank you for being as crazy about the details of disc golf as I am. I can tell you all lie awake at night thinking about this stuff just like me.

[@rodfondriest6059]

Love the content in this video and what is to come. For me, I'm 56 and trying to get to 400'. Best is 386. I have noticed that the tighter grip works better for me. My issue is that I cant fully back load as I have an issue with my hand that doesnt allow me to power grip. I can and will start ensuring that my little finger is at least tucked in a far as I can as I feel that I too am front loading the disc. Thanks Josh and Mikey!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

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[@nothingnamed9815]

V excited for this series! Keep all all the fantastic work folks! Wonderfully edited, informative, and entertaining!

[@zackp6794]

This is super interesting. This is exactly the kind of stuff I thought techdisc would be super useful for when I first heard about it.

[@samanthony8121]

This video got me to subscribe. Love the technical analysis you guys are doing. I grew up digging deep into ball golf swing mechanics and ive been waiting for someone to start digging into disc mechanics. Exciting stuff.

[@gBaBeS7]

Your content has improved my game by leaps and bounds. I'm constantly referring back to your videos for key tips. Keep it up guys.

[@TheMakki]

I learned this year that a 3 finger grip with extra thumb pressure (not finger pressure) increased my throws dramatically. It keeps the nose down and gives the best release point. Glad you guys were able to do it scientifically.

[@kjetildg]

Didnt Josh say the opposite?

[@TheMakki]

Mikey threw consistently further with the "mash potato" grip. In the real world tests it made Mikey hit the 520' mark.

[@latiendadediscgolfmexico]

Duuuude, me too! Some hand just dont want to use all fingers😂🎉

[@huntergross5476]

3 finger grip gang!

[@joshfarabaugh9168]

Gang gang! I broke my hand young and physically can’t get my pinkie on a driver if I wanted lol

[@LT_Darwin]

As a science type guy I really appreciate you guys breaking these details down with actual data and being cautious on the findings. Awesome to see and you may unlock some excellent confidences for your coaching I would think.

[@add1cted2l3arning]

I haven’t been to your channel in a while. Love the weight loss transformation. Keep it up!

[@erikpage]

YESSS! I've been using TechDisc for a month or so now (there's a lot to that story, but I'll save that for later) and I've had similar breakthroughs. It's truly incredible what instant feedback alone is able to teach you. Mine was less to do with grip strength, but rather wrist strength. A few adjustments to my wrist angle on reach back and pull through combined with keeping my wrist looser pretty much immediately increased my spin from ~875-925 RPM to consistently 1000+ RPM (with one or two over 1100!). Can't wait to see what else this series has in store. I happen to know about a putting app that could fit in the series as well...would love to chat sometime!

[@TheQuicksilver115]

HYYYYPE LET'S GO! Love this for you, and for us 😁😁😁 can't wait for the next one!

[@michael252]

Guys it’s clear you are happy and healthy and it feels like your passion has been reinvigorated with the new office setup! Keep up the killer work, I’ll be buying my next discs off your shop 🤙🙏🙌💫

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Thank you!

[@sebastianvikrdamsgaard6852]

This is so bizarre. One week ago I went to the field and randomly tried to grip HARD! and I had the exact same reaction as you! My throws suddenly went from an average of 400 to 450! And for the last week, I have been experimenting quite a bit and I can definitely throw further when just gripping HARD, and then you upload this video... However, my fingers are really feeling in a bad way, while my accuracy has definitely also decreased. But I completely agree with your idea of front-loading. If I lock my back fingers (pinky and little finger) not only does my accuracy decrease but those fingers hurt even more. Excited to see what you come up with next!!!

[@gilliamm.5732]

Go Mikey! Congrats and nice work on digging into the analytics. This approach has changed/improved all sports. DG is overdue for this analysis.

[@Tornado_Alley]

Congrats Mikey! Also, the simulator is an awesome tool!

[@rood5681]

YESSSS A VIDEO ON DATA. I love this shit. Keep em coming and congrats on the absolute bomb.

[@LukeyShoes12]

My nerd heart is so excited about this series. I may have to snag one of those sim discs for myself.

[@bjorn8977]

An interview with someone from TechDisc would be awesome. Maybe as crossover between this data series and your new podcast. Keep up the good work👍

[@txmxer]

Great work! I love the data/analytics approach. From what you showed in the lab, the firm grip throws were very nicely nose down for Mikey and the loose grip seemed nose up. Probably doesn’t impact the speed inside, but certainly distance IRL.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

For sure

[@jjw6961]

Very excited for this series. I feel like good data is what the sport needs to help demystify form.

[@calebschmucker3034]

This kind of discovery within a relatively young sport is absolutely FASCINATING!! Thanks for the awesome content y’all!

[@davidwellman5221]

I guess 50+ years counts as relatively young

[@paytondrake5375]

To be honest, I believe that "grip misalignment" is one of the biggest impacts to newer disc golfers. I battled with this for a while and only realized recently that it takes significantly more pressure on distance throws than it does for controlled golf shots being a mid-to-high speed arm, just as Mikey found out. I would love to see data correlating how the grip needs to adjust to maximize disc speed and rotation for different arm speeds. In addition, if the data you guys get over the next few weeks shows that the "gradual grip" is better than "mashed potatoes", that'll be beneficial as it would allow distance throws to be more sustainable during a round. Great job, and congrats Mikey!!!

[@AndrewJacksonFitness]

11:18 - Tight grip. Loose body. 🙌🙌 The hand must match the power your body is generating throughout the sequence. People with high levels of body connection have easier times managing this. Sensory drills and strength drills are often overlooked. Awesome channel guys. Keep it up 👍

[@nyqpi33]

Awesome! Congrats mikey! Just love technology!

[@Jono.]

Ooh I am excited for more of this. Gonna go crush some discs with my grip and see what I notice!! Congrats Mikey, this is a great video

[@Lankybrit52]

That was great. I always grip front loaded because that’s what I’ve seen in other videos. I’ll have to give tight gripping with all the fingers to see what happens.

[@LapoftheWorld]

See this is the sports science that disc golf needs. The most exciting thing here is that you're able to track spin-rate and nose angle. I think it was Simon and one of his friends that did a video showing the same release velocity, but Simon's throws were consistently significantly longer. That points to angle and spin having a real impact on distance vs. just exit velocity, but that stuff is REALLY hard to quantify without either high speed cameras or a sensor package like that. I do car stuff where data is king, so it's cool to see this type of thing making it into my other favorite hobby!

[@thomasahne9857]

I remember that one day, where I had that insane release out of my hand. It felt like the disc is way more heavy than with my normal throws. It was on an hole with 123m (400 feet). That was my max distance all day. I threw it with 90% power in the disc just got launched! It was so fast and was still turning at basket hight! Bad for me, I hit a tree next to the basket. I would say, if the tree hit didn´t happen, it would be around 150m (500 feet). I never got that feeling again. And i hate that. I was looking for it with so many variations, but i never found it. This video has got some really good ideas for me and I will go out to try it by myself! Thank you guys for doing stuff like this! I love your content! Keep doing this! Thanks again and greetings from germany!

[@Vanbulance89]

Love it! Can't wait for the next one. 😊

[@dylanandrich1949]

Heck yeah cant wait for the grip vid... Congrats Mickey... Theres not many things that feel better than accomplishing a goal in disc golf.

[@dylanandrich1949]

Oh yeah...DROP

[@zacharywescourt4791]

Congrats Mikey!!! Killin it big dawg🔥

[@allenhammitt5092]

This is exactly what i need to see. Great content

[@drewfasa]

I had the same experience switching to a pivot/fan grip during the "power grip is fake" controversy. Went from throwing 340 max to over 400ft in a week. Funnily enough, it was the exact advice I was given by Rob McLeod (aka Frisbee Rob) when I first starting playing: you need a pinch/pivot point between your thumb and index finger.

[@JewsyJew]

This was extremely interesting because were really starting to see analytics taking over other sports especially for pitchers in baseball. But we just dont seem to be quite there yet in disc golf but this was neat to see how stuff like this can and does effect our sport as well.

[@thejasonblackburn]

I really enjoyed this video. I love statistics and it's awesome to finally see some disc golf related nerdiness.

[@ReeRuns]

This is great, I'm on board for the series

[@user-kh2rs9tu3c]

Hey Mike smile ! I am 56 and haven’t broke 325 ‘ I must admit these videos are helping my overall form ☮️

[@FizzyP]

I wrote a disc physics simulator. It handles hyzer angle, nose angle, spin speed ratio, disc wear... the results are spooky realistic. The conclusion after lots of tinkering with virtual experiments was that 2-3 degrees of nose down is ideal for distance. The shots looked very much like Ricky's juiced Felon shots from the back in the day that start with a stupid amount of nose down, pop up, and then penetrate forward despite being an overstable mold. Ricky has more nose down power than anyone else I can think of. I read somewhere that people did real world research confirming this but I haven't seen it.

[@leosantana311]

Congrats man! Well done you!!!!

[@NzSw4t]

Love the scientific process team, keep the data rolling

[@BillFromAZ]

Well, dang...who knew? I'm not a great backhand thrower and rely more on my forehand. I never know where a backhand throw is going. That was....until I watched this video. I went and played league after watching the video and did some field practice before hand. Mashing the flight plate with my thumb felt weird, but I did get better flights. Then on to the real test, league play. People who knew my backhand struggles were surprised with how clean I was throwing and how much better my backhand throws were. Not a lot of distance more, but less grip lock and less not knowing where my disc would be going when it was released. I did also focus on 'front loading', but the grip pressure seemed to be the biggest help...it really changed the nose angle and kept it more consistently nose-down. Thanks for the video and insight.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Congrats!

[@kevinmoehring8259]

Something worth noting is that in his 4 throws where he gripped hard, his release angle was nose down all 4 times, while his second 4 throws were all nose up. That translates to distance 100%

[@Travishayes91]

more data and science in disc golf is needed like this! bring it on

[@Boltzi]

It's also interesting that if you have short fingers in relation to your palm size, dropping little finger off the rim allows to turn wrist angle even more down. I have this exact short finger problem and have been experimenting a bit and it's pretty obvious how much more nose down the disc travels but for some reason it's hard to not throw the disc to the right.

[@KyleJohns]

this really scratched my nerd side. immediately bought a techdisc >.< lol. all for this type of content, very excited to see this journey

[@benharrison5816]

That looks like an amazing tool. I got young kids so I have very little time to practice. A home simulator setup would be cool, and fun!

[@outandabout259]

I gotta go out there right now! For some reason I haven't thrown in a month, there's been other stuff going on, earlier this summer I went from 417 to 460 and I think now I can go beyond that by learning to front load my grip!

[@Ryanrules23]

I've been throwing my drivers with a 2-3 finger grip lately and, for me at least, I've noticed significantly more spin and speed. I think it falls into what you said at the end where it's basically making me front load the grip where I was likely backloading it before.

[@ericfleet9602]

520 is amazing! Congrats, Mike!

[@latiendadediscgolfmexico]

It's like the best documentary in years ❤❤❤

[@brandonyoung1783]

I'd love to see you guys try, what I call the "Split-Grip". Not sure if anyone has named it already or even throws it. But it has helped me get more spin on my drives and in turn a bit more distance. (FYI, I do have large hands, so not sure if it will be viable for everyone) 1) You start by griping the disc rim with just the tips your index and middle finger and pull the disc into the crease where your finger meets your palm so that the disc edge and your finger crease are perpendicular. It will fill flimsy at first. 2) Then place your ring and pinky a bit further down on the rim and use those to suck the disc into your palm for a secure grip. There should be about enough space to put your index finger from your left hand between your middle finger and ring finger with no gaps. 3) Then find a comfortable angle for the disc to sit in your hand. I tend to roll the disc forward, so that the part of your disc touching your palm is in the natural crease in the center of your palm. Let me know if you decide to try this though, describing it without pictures is difficult. I'll send some pics or a video if you'd like. :)

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Send it to me on Instagram

[@jaynorris3631]

Like what you are doing. Actually looking forward to the next video.

[@chrisunderwood_dg]

This series is gonna be a game changer!

[@albertoquagliaroli4230]

I was one of those who appreciated very much the 'famous' suggestion about the hardest grip. I found that this method gave me some advantages also in precision (thinking especially to let go the disc and not to release it) (anyway, not like the majority of the players who go towards 120-150 m... because I throw around 80 metres ordinarily with 'maximum' power🙁), and excitement in that moment; I made also great throws (in precision, also, relatively to my possibilities); but then I remained at that +10 m than before the adoption of the strongest grip. Now I don't think to tighten the grip, but I somewhat I use it without thinking. Anyway the precision has diminished, or, better, remains not constant. I'm trying to understand if I lost the technical mechanics associated with the firm grip, or I'm not using anymore that grip for other subconscious mechanisms... Perhaps, for Mikey who has all that support for analyzing the thrower and the throws will be easier to understand better the whole thing, and I'm sure that you will give to us very interesting suggestion for we to make better and better 👍

[@Svenm650]

Just tested the grip harder when disc is coming across the chest and it got me 20-60ft more. I average about 330 and threw a couple 390 but was consistently hitting 370. It also added some accuracy, I think I was too loose before. I think the distance came from more spin and the pinch helped with my timing. Maybe it's something else but I say to all it's worth a shot.

[@PastHisPrime336]

It looked like the mash grip was giving him more rotations and a down nose angle. I believe all the loose throws shown on the video had less rotations and positive nose angles. Your synopsis at the end could support that as well with the front loaded mash grip helping to keep the nose down and the back loaded loose grip letting the nose tilt up on release.

[@HatTrickHarry1]

Well, you have a new subscriber. I can't wait to try this.

[@thebr0wnhornet]

This will be an interesting watch. I’ve struggled to get the nose down and I think it’s a grip thing. There was a day I was trying a bunch of things that I finally got that flight where you can only see the rim and I sent a crave 340ft when I normally get 260-280. Tried the same thing next round and I was back to nose up 275😢. Now I think I need to go back to that but experimenting with thumb pressure and which fingers are doing the most squeezing. If this is the fix I will buy one of y’all’s discs as a thank you for sure

[@tang3nt]

One factor to consider, has got to be, the more you throw, naturally the farther it will go. You work a muscle and it will grow!

[@lexas1234]

I threw longer when I increased pressure. Really helped me 🎉

[@Joah1990]

I started focusing all my grip in my pointer finger, or the first two, or just the middle. Still trying to decide whats best for me. And im way more consistent now at getting my max distance. I tried all oose. I tried all tight... but for me it seems to be in the first two fingers. I heard my first snap today. Ad began beating my personal best by 10 ft consistently. 🤷‍♂️ im a pretty new player.

[@footfaultdiscgolf]

lately I have been doing fan grip for all speeds and that has improved my speed and spin drastically. front loaded grip is the #1 tip for adding distance apart from timing

[@Gh0stz9211]

I just started throwing fan grip for everything as well. I instantly gained distance beating my max and it's more effortless feeling. Still working on proper form

[@dalereinhold640]

*foot fault

[@footfaultdiscgolf]

@@dalereinhold640 second

[@DnBGolf]

I pre-ordered the Tosy discs hoping they'd be the new disc golf "launch monitor", but Tech Disc beat them to it, it seems. Awesome vid

[@DiscoDiscsCo]

LOVE DATA! AWESOME VIDEO!

[@brendonmccarthy8233]

Im excited for it all. Lets goooo

[@Shwaaball]

Thank you

[@samplec]

Congrats dude!!!!

[@latiendadediscgolfmexico]

Enjoy your new perspective of life Mikey❤❤❤

[@greenmountaingrower4680]

I don't think there's a course near me where I could throw 500 ft but I'm currently experimenting with different groups and I've found that a nice tight grip gives me better angle control and has helper my nose angle tremendously.

[@redmortensen4066]

Congrats Mikey!

[@dierkens]

As I said at the NE Expo; I love this stuff.

[@griplocked2986]

Based on the numbers alone, it looked pretty obvious that with a firmer grip, he was throwing nose down. Looser grip was slightly nose up. That alone explains the difference in distance.

[@brianlmoon]

I have large hands with a short pinky finger. So, a four finger power grip has never felt right. For years, I used a two finger grip for distance shots. With just two fingers, it can’t help but be front loaded. Last year, I felt I was losing a lot of accuracy with that grip. So I forced myself to use three fingers for any front loaded grip. Recently, after hearing that Aaron Gossage uses a two finger lower grip, I have gone back to the two finger for pure distance shots where accuracy is not as important, like a wide open field par 4 for example. I do really focus on a very tight grip. There are only two fingers and my thumb holding the disc. It has to be tight. This video would seem to be somewhat in line with my own experience.

[@rageoid]

Potential plus on this series !

[@stuartschwenke6656]

so interesting to see data specific; of course, every player will have a different set of variables that actually feeds the data. So results may vary, as the lawyers might say!

[@BillFromAZ]

Would be nice to see the difference (mashed grip to loose grip) with a walk-up vice a run-up.

[@coreylemieux6003]

Congrats this is sick!!

[@joeillingworth1141]

It's about dimensionally locking while being loose. Strong pour but loose on the pads

[@discgolfwes]

This was great!

[@OBWanLasTrueDon]

freaking amaaaaaaaaaaazing content vid guys.. as per usual.... amzing .. .. ty ty much

[@lukasostring]

Hey , let's dive into an intriguing idea - what if we introduced a touch of stickiness to our discs, taking inspiration from how handballs are treated? 🤔 Imagine this: the added stickiness could make the disc snap off your hand with more force, resulting in an intense spin when thrown. It's like the grip handball players get from a tacky ball, leading to powerful throws and dynamic shots. Think about the impact - the enhanced spin could completely transform the way our discs fly. They might cover more distance and follow exciting paths through the air. Just like handball players adjust their techniques to master the tacky ball, we'd have a new challenge of harnessing the power of adhesive-enhanced discs. Of course, we'd need to navigate some challenges, like fine-tuning the level of stickiness to keep things fair. But the potential is mind-boggling! Our discs could become spin wizards, adding a fresh twist to the game. What's your take on this concept? Could sticky discs be the innovation our sport needs, drawing inspiration from the handball playbook? Share your thoughts!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

It’s legal and Paul McBeth and Nick Carl did a video with it on Paul’s channel!

[@osoblnco]

yall oughta take that wall down! sweet vid

[@latiendadediscgolfmexico]

My friend Blue and I onece debated if grip was the most important and i said no...now i realize that the grip and grip sensation dictates how the body moves...in an extreme example...the way someone holds i knife, dictates how they move their body to attack...F=MA...i focus on acceleration of revs, not velocity....a car's G's are felt more from 0-100km/h than 50-100km/h....im trying to make sure to stop the disc completely....and the more you move the thumb towards the middle of disc, the closer to your body it comes and the more torque is translated into spin...but more torque also = less control...so there is a limit both ways, find your middle point.... different people different hands different middle point...maybe im rambling and/or wrong🙈🤞🏽🤷

[@DiscBelief]

Cool Video, I've been wondering why there isn't more Science behind throws. Would love to see if there is a difference with the number of fingers used bc I swear I'm throwing farther with only 2 fingers and thumb. I'm also 6'4" so not sure if Hand size has anything to do with it. 4 fingers just feels uncomfortable.

[@mriforgiate]

Love it! Bring the data!!