Overtime: Frank Bruni, Batya Ungar-Sargon | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)

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[@mark1h2023]

This made my week! Every Friday feels much better after this show.

[@VidarrKerr]

I miss watching the show on HBO. It isn't available in Brazil, so I have to download it. I don't like doping that, but I need this show. LOL.

[@zoobrizz]

Yes. It seems like Bill has taken the Red 🩸 pill and has seen the light 👍

[@RAFAELCANON]

Right winger

[@bouji_]

@@zoobrizz The only pill he took was the Russiagate pill which turned him into a raving warmonger.

[@phriedokra6158]

I'm grateful they upload it...I was unable to afford cable back in Dec. 2015...I have Netflix now and you tube only ...

[@johnniespaulding9067]

As a gay man, it’s not even normal for kids to even identify as anything at such young ages. This age of social media is destructive! Let kids be kids again!

[@dendradwar9464]

This, why can't we let kids be kids? .. can someone give me some reason or rationale for kids aged say 6 need to know about sex, gender orientation - and I saying this about all orientations ..

[@jasonm1827]

So you didn't know you were gay when you were that young? Funny all my gay and transgender friends knew they were that way at a very young age but I guess you speak for all gay people right? Also as a "gay" man you would know that suicides are up with gay and transgender youth's.

[@jasonm1827]

@@dendradwar9464 because kids at age 6 know something feels different than the other kids and instead of being told to feel ashamed or they should hide those feelings they are being accepted and loved for it.

[@dendradwar9464]

@@jasonm1827 Explain to me how not talking about something at all equates to not been accepted and loved? .. genuinely interested how your logic works on this? ..

[@racegod69]

My kid thinks she’s a giraffe half the time 😂

[@Leftatalbuquerque]

As a 56 yr old gay man who was beaten up by my father when I was 17 and came out, needing to leave home, live on the streets and needing corrective surgery on my broken nose and deviated septum, I understand why the kids do not necessarily need their parents to know what they are identifying as. Some kids need to be in a place where it is safe to simply exist without assault and injury before that can happen.

[@helene420]

@@mosesking2923 okay psycho 👍🏻

[@tipoomaster]

Exactly what I was thinking. Bill is increasingly out of touch.

[@jamesdiaz793]

@@mosesking2923 Is it hard to type with a white hood on in a room lit by a tiki torch bigot?

[@kissmysix]

Watch your children closely around these liberal perverts

[@kelseycoyote6576]

I'm so very sorry that happened to you. But, what the bill is saying is that say, an eight year old might not want to be outed which is ridiculous as at that age they are not capable of sexually one way or another. Their brains, hormones and bodies are no where mature enough for this to be an issue at all. It's the retrumplicans being stupid, to obfuscate and deflect from what they are working on which is to take our constitutional rights away and destroy our democracy.

[@michaelcookson2111]

Love this women! So refreshing to hear someone on a left wing show speaking facts not talking points.

[@superblazerfanable]

How do you know they is a woman?

[@unlimitedbitsgaming]

This was an EXCELLENT episode. Tonight has been peaceful and happy for me and this show fit perfectly into that theme and it's continued my great mood. I loved how respectful everyone was. ❤️😂 Also, I love Batya's laugh, it sounds so wholesome.

[@emailbenbenson]

Please don't call me sir. :D

[@jannichi6431]

Israel is anything but peaceful, it's now a compete Police and Survailed State. Good that corrupt Bebe Netanyahoo seen without his 'mask'.

[@jannichi6431]

She didn't seem logical, just a giggling opinion though, like Kamala. Have you seen Newsweek stream comments?

[@VidarrKerr]

Her laugh is awesome. It is so real.

[@zoobrizz]

Yes. It seems like Bill has taken the Red 🩸 pill and has seen the light 👍

[@sandbach7195]

That dude, taking a sip of his coffee, as he starts to think, "ohhh crap....Bill M. isn't as liberal as i thought, and this chick is super smart, and I'm scared." LOL

[@annesocola6420]

Thanks Bill. Your show makes me examine my own behaviors toward others

[@rightwingersexposed8800]

Hope it doesn't its freaking awful

[@meganbaker9116]

@@rightwingersexposed8800 You don’t want someone examining their behavior toward others? Really?!

[@rightwingersexposed8800]

@@meganbaker9116 no I don't because if you are becoming more like bill maher or agree with him we are doomed

[@meganbaker9116]

@@rightwingersexposed8800 It's a good thing when people of ALL political persuasions examine their behavior toward others. I'm not sure what your beef with Maher is; he's not my favorite person in the world either. That said, I find liberals to be pretty consistently oblivious (and indifferent) to their behavior toward others, and I'm left of center myself. (I assume you're critical of him from the left, but maybe not.) In any case, the impulse to examine one's behavior can be inspired by someone without the examiner being an ideological slave to that inspiration. I can see someone being inspired by Maher's lack of orthodoxy, that lack being a really good thing IMO.

[@rightwingersexposed8800]

@@meganbaker9116 Thank you for your speech mr president... cringe

[@JuICyBLiinGeR]

Needs to be longer. And it definitely needs to be longer when the show it followed was top quality.

[@zoobrizz]

Yes. It seems like Bill has taken the Red 🩸 pill and has seen the light 👍

[@larrymarshall8900]

@@zoobrizz 9ooo9ooo9ooo9oôô

[@larrymarshall8900]

@@zoobrizz ôô

[@altongrimes]

I'm so impressed with Batya's conntribution to the ""discussion". A fair and balanced mind

[@a.m.9115]

I see a love connection between Batya Ungar-Sargon and Bill. Go for it, Bill! Be nice!

[@SutekhDaSteemroller]

She was giddy like love struck 15 year old lol

[@zoobrizz]

Yes. It seems like Bill has taken the Red 🩸 pill and has seen the light 👍

[@emodante1084]

Even Bill can be happy with someone.

[@richiejohnson]

I think you're right!

[@mclmrtn]

These were great guests.

[@Jimulacrum]

Make a standalone clip out of everything Bruni said from 6:00 on. I could not have said it better myself. This is an idea that everyone in this country really needs to understand right now, especially as we're being actively propagandized to hate each other for a dozen new reasons a day.

[@jkscout]

Yea, but it's funny that the NYT is largely to blame for the division he speaks about by promoting singular narratives, and never talking about opposing viewpoints in a non condemnatory way. He seems in total denial that his people have anything to do with it.

[@jrmichel1975]

Both sides of the media do it, but the liberal media is particularly notorious for it.

[@mrjones4249]

Jimulacrum: what amazes me is how blatant it is. I sometimes attempt to reason with seemingly intelligent people to help them see we are being manipulated but nothing I say holds any weight. I even speak with many 'religious ' people and remind them of basic principles but the media seems to be the final authority.

[@thegreatgambino5079]

I love how independent Bill tries to keep this show! He's not always successful, of course, but he tries much harder than any other televised political show out there.

[@zoobrizz]

Yes. It seems like Bill has taken the Red 🩸 pill and has seen the light 👍

[@BishopWalters12]

Bill Maher, Jimmy Dore, Joe Rogan and Tim Poole are all lifelong liberals but the left hates them just because they criticize the Democratic Party/left in general at times.

[@Muhammadwasapedo]

@@BishopWalters12 we all know that if you criticize the democrats at all, they want you gone. FFS they even went after Ilhan Omar when she defended donors to the freedom convoy. Not that she agreed with them, just that she didn't like the government bgoing after people's banks. And that she sees how it could be used against the left, if the Republicans were in charge.

[@BishopWalters12]

@@Muhammadwasapedo They treat Gabbard like she's a traitor for not supporting Hillary in 2016. My response is like WTF, you people are really going to side with Hillary and support her calling Gabbard a Russian asset.

[@bruceleroy7193]

@@BishopWalters12 Tulsi isn't a Russian agent she's just your average useful idiot.

[@flookumu2496]

Lmao @ "the climate is a disaster but the weather is delightful." Classic!

[@MsBlake1972]

I love this show so much! Nothing out there politically comes close. I feel like Republicans, liberals, democrats and who ever can come to bill’s show and be themselves - also able to agree to disagree with a calm atmosphere.

[@FC-ve2cm]

very good show tonight bill !

[@jennifermathis3983]

I love Bill Maher!!! Great show and topics!!!

[@jstpsgthru]

I haven't read Ms Ungar-Sargon's book, but her "Real Time" explanation of media was incomplete. She notes the change where journalists became the elite (and Maher adds they became the story.) The glaring omission, however, is how special interests convinced the government to deregulate media news. Outlets were once required to provide a certain amount of independent news coverage! Everything changed when this regulation was abolished. News went from public service to profit center. It is not overstating the situation to say that this deregulation was the proximate cause of biased media.

[@ryanhall7827]

yea she didnt want bring up the fact that ronald Reagan started the derulgation of everything from railroads to news media and the clinton continued it so he could get the racist christondom of the south to vote for him like with DOMA

[@Kingfisher1215]

Interesting post. I think that you have hit in something that encapsulates today’s media. I had high hopes for social media, such as KZbin, but YT censures posts they (in their judge and jury robes) deem misinformation propaganda. So much for social media saving us I guess.

[@AbcAbc-sp1od]

@@Kingfisher1215 you thought silicon valley was ever on the people's side? Bless your heart

[@dieselhrt5492]

Yes, protecting kids needs to be at the top of politician’s lists.

[@AbcAbc-sp1od]

Exactly! Bruni doesn't know what he's talking about.

[@19031589]

Yeah protect them from actual harm. Not the book about the two male penguins that raise a kid penguin.

[@AbcAbc-sp1od]

@@19031589 if only that's what schools were teaching...

[@19031589]

@@AbcAbc-sp1od what is being taught that is so objectionable? This sounds like a good old fashioned moral panic.

[@lynjs]

Bill's show should be a full hour then New Rules. We need the New Rules...LOL. They make a lot of sense. Then Overtime should be 30 minutes. A good conversation is always had then stopped abruptly. I love the way that Bill always asks the questions that need to be asked. He also includes the other side of the coin also. I think that if We, the Voters, stopped falling for the divisiveness of all politicians, we can come together and end this tribalism thing that has being going on for far too long. It's not CRT, Don't say gay and that mess in Texas messing with transgender folk. They want us arguing over that. It's the cost of gas, power bill, food, rent and nothing else.

[@blackout07blue]

Lol. Everything you say we should care about is controlled by the free market, supply-chain, and supply & demand.

[@blackout07blue]

What we should care about is this legal-Corruption racket running all our politicians.

[@cblack4413]

A shame we have to wait a week or sometimes 2 for sense.

[@nlx78]

@@cblack4413 Thankfully John Oliver is back with his 3rd episode tomorrow. When you like that of course.

[@cblack4413]

@@nlx78 Oliver makes sense but he needs a somewhat similar format to Bill.His show can be depressing.

[@lizannewhitlow1085]

Great show, great chemistry. As usual, Sir Bruni didn’t get to talk enough. Have him back! Am going to subscribe to Newsweek and watch Belfast, and read Frank’s book too. 📚

[@mosesking2923]

I disagree with Bruni. People have to realize that it’s OKAY to be transphobic. We shouldn’t recommend puberty blockers or mutilating surgeries to children, much less anyone. I don’t hate them, but trans people simply don’t belong in modern societal institutions. Just look at the havok in girls sports. It’s okay to be transphobic and exclusive sometimes.

[@garypettit5176]

Bruno clearly hates very young children as there is very little more valuable, just not to him.

[@LordIstar]

@@mosesking2923 I'm not sure that you understand the definition of transphobia to be advocating for it so fiercely. And if you do, shame on you for promoting discrimination and dangerous rhetoric towards a vulnerable population. People can believe that childhood is not a time for kids to be making life changing and irreversible decisions about their lives, any kind, and that's where child protection comes into play, especially if the parent won't exercise reason in that regard. That doesn't mean we have to ostracize and demonize an entire group of people who isn't responsible for the choices kids and their parents are or aren't making.

[@rickschroth9869]

You don’t need to subscribe to Newsweek… just watch FOX .. I had to laugh how Ungar-Sargon advocated more uneducated Journalists are needed .. fits right into Trump base .. “I love the uneducated”. Statements made by her with NO push back … Just think 🤔.. Everyone was less educated 50 -70 yrs ago. The fact that journalist were paid less then … EVERYONE was paid less them .. CEO’s didn’t make the multiples over their average employee as they do today.. Doctors and a lawyers didn’t make the money over the average blue collar worker … Just such a manipulative use of figures by Ungar-Sargon to push a false narrative and absolutely NO PUSH BACK from Maher. How disappointing

[@richardb7093]

Dont waste your time with news week..its now just a notch above Breitbart

[@AkonFenty1992]

Batya Ungar-Sargon is spot on.

[@elrumblo4239]

Frank Bruni is the plural of Frank Bruno.

[@FC-ve2cm]

Agree.News channels are not doing news anymore, they are disconnected from real life and they are regurgitating news in a virtual reality. BBC is the only news channel that is more objective.

[@jmwoods190]

I would respectfully disagree with notion that the BBC is a news channel that's more objective, as someone living in England.

[@jeryljoseph1]

Well BBC isn't objective but sure is better than most American news channels imo

[@BishopWalters12]

@@jmwoods190 BBC is trash but it looks like gold if you compare to MSNBC or CNN, they're just full blown propaganda at this point and don't even care to hide it.

[@adamdrouin2295]

Try the hill. They have journalists of differing opinions and Batya has made several appearances

[@jmwoods190]

@@jeryljoseph1 Depends on what topic really. They've been atrocious with the Omicron wave here, not far behind the Guardian!

[@frankc966]

I’m going to buy and read Frank’s book. If he wasn’t on the show I wouldn’t have known to get it. Thanks.

[@XSquibX]

"Does this need to be at the top of politicians' lists?" Well, you and everyone else is talking about it, so it must ruffle some feathers.

[@marilynwright7212]

i loved the flirtatious laughter by Batya Ungar Sargon. I would be laughing at all Bill's jokes too. Your laughter if lovely and welcoming!

[@cc8751]

The protection of children should be at the top of EVERYONES priority list.

[@ivannano]

How again were kids being damaged for asking why Billy has 2 moms?

[@jasonm1827]

Unless those kids are gay or transgender right? Cause why should their rights matter when it makes straight people feel icky 🙄

[@stirfrybry1]

@@ivannano Nice strawman. Kids are being singled out by activist teachers to groom them into transgender. There was a teacher in Oregon arrested for this. We're so sick of you tolerant people. Tolerance shouldn't lead to ruin

[@ivannano]

@@stirfrybry1 'Grooming to be transgender??? What a load of garbage. Get a freakin education and think for youself.

[@albertocassone2001]

@@ivannanothe answer is simple: because it's much harder for kids than for adults to understand that the word "mom" can be used figuratively. And even if some kids are able to understand it, it's quite hard to swallow it for them. In their minds, the word "mom" can't really have that second, figurative meaning.

[@ryanroehrig54]

I love Batya so much.

[@13e11even11]

More important is the subtle desire to remove authority from parents and place in the hands of the school, is something that I fear as potentially authoritarian, as the diversity of individual beliefs can be suppressed. That is not a concern regarding addition or spelling, but is regarding character development.

[@dabsafe]

I disagree wholeheartedly with Batya’s position of “Ukraine should accept Russia’s expansion” to prevent loss of life. Putin is a bully and there is only one way of dealing with bullies: confront them with everything you’ve got. I wonder how would she feel if it was Israel being invaded?

[@murrayknox3321]

I think she was saying that Russia wouldn’t accept the expansion of NATO into the Ukraine - right on their border.

[@sleepercell938]

I whole heartedly agree with what Davey is saying. Why wouldn't the Palestinians accept Israeli expanding settlements to prevent loss of life? What a hypocritical nonsense.

[@dabsafe]

@@murrayknox3321 Finland, Latvia and Lithuania all have borders with Russia; all are NATO countries. Putin’s argument about encroachment are ridiculous. Although we should all fear a nuclear confrontation with Russia, Putin needs to be reminded that his is not the only nation that could conceivably destroy the entire earth. He is a despot to be sure, but he is not a good poker player and his bluff needs to be called (should’ve been called when he annexed Crimea, just as Nazi Germany should’ve never been allowed to annex the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia)

[@aaguadam]

I didn't like her position on the matter either. She came off as a Putin apologist. That it's Ukraine's fault for defending itself from Russian aggression that is to blame for the current loss of life.

[@murrayknox3321]

No disagreement that the invasion of Ukraine is a war crime but the West has to take some blame for pushing the expansion of NATO after promising not to after the unification of Germany. Additionally the post 2014 U.S. backed coup build up of weapons in Ukraine accelerated tensions which led to where we are at today.

[@JLP4444]

"Gender identity" shouldn't be taught at all in public schools as it's not empirically based. Akin to teaching kids that their relationship to Jesus is core to their identities.

[@loookaroundyou]

It's empirically based that some people don't identify with their biological sex.

[@deadshot8077]

@@loookaroundyou which is a meaningless concept in itself. “Identifying” is what you do to other things. You can identify an animal as a dog by its appearance. Declaring yourself to be something you are not, and expecting people to go along with it, is purely mental illness.

[@loookaroundyou]

@@deadshot8077 Some people don't identify with their biological sex. Some people are attracted to the same gender. These are facts. Your reaction in asserting "mental illness" is your own judgment and attempt to pathologize.

[@deadshot8077]

@@loookaroundyou if someone feels like they aren’t themselves, that’s mental illness. They need help, not cosmetic surgery. Doing what you ideologues do is plain cruelty.

[@loookaroundyou]

@@deadshot8077 "If someone feels that they aren't themselves." You're making the claim that their body is their identity. This is a distortion. They don't identify with their body and biological sex. Just because something is uncommon does not mean that a person is mentally ill. Most people have no discrepancy between their body and their perception of their gender. But not all. It's understandable that many people see this scenario as a mental illness. But let's accept the premise of mental illness for transgender people or gay people, and see what the outcomes are. The next step would be to try and convince these individuals that they are sick and provide conversion therapy to address this illness. The results of these kinds of therapy is that these individuals are more likely to commit suicide. Of course it is important to clarify with a person what their feelings and experience is, and see if this is persistent or if it is transitory and fluctuates, but in many cases, we're talking about a persistent orientation. Insisting that the person is sick does not alter their perceptions and only contributes to shame and feeling like they are intrinsically defective. It also provides cover for people to discriminate or be violent with them. Common outcomes are depression, addiction, homelessness, and suicide. www.science.org/content/article/new-study-reveals-risks-transgender-conversion-therapy williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/lgb-suicide-ct-press-release/

[@chrisusher1356]

"Lost any talent for nuance in this country." Nailed it, full stop.

[@cyndi7757]

Go Bill . Tell the truth

[@clairevery1want2bear]

The logic on this show gives me hope….

[@zoobrizz]

Yes. It seems like Bill has taken the Red 🩸 pill and has seen the light 👍

[@w12p67]

Great panel and episode in general. And this is coming from a liberatarian.

[@zoobrizz]

Yes. It seems like Bill has taken the Red 🩸pill and has seen the light 👍

[@keithkarvelis82]

That last point by Frank Bruni was right on the money.

[@frankiel3781]

I’m a parent. I am sick of teachers telling people they will raise their kids and have more say than the parent. Butt out, stick to actual education and go home and wreck your own kids but stay away from parenting mine. P.S I scrape up the money to put mine in a private christian school now because of the stupid sick public school teachers showing their true colors during “zoom school”. Public schools are HORRIFIC.

[@patrickmckeown3841]

Parents NEED NOT KNOW if their son or daughter is gay!!

[@JJSo12345]

Frank Bruni 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@yeeaahBUDDY]

Batya Ungar Sargon sounds like 3 Superman villains

[@Dreyno]

Are Superman villains also ret&rded? Because she is one of the stupidest people I’ve had the misfortune to hear speak for some time.

[@garrettpowell5094]

Shut up I'm a reporter now!

[@josephshepard2962]

God bless Batya. I love her. Bill, thank you for having her on. Keep up the good work.

[@Games_and_Music]

Great show tonight!

[@JasonAndrew1973]

Do you think of the hundreds of teachers bragging on social have something to do with it?

[@albrown1740]

I'm a parent but republicans have never asked me my opinion about what should be taught and what is left out of textbooks. Glossing over race issues or treating homosexuality as abnormal behavior is not appropriate for any age children.

[@zoobrizz]

Yes. Especially K -3rd. They just need the basics.

[@Dr.TJ1]

This idea of parents having a say in what gets taught to their children is a disaster in waiting. If there are 25 kids in a class, they’re likely going to get dozens of opinions from parents about what should be taught and they’ll never get anything done and no one will be happy. If you want to control what is taught to your kids, then home school them and teach them whatever you want. But if you want your kids to socialize and if you want to take advantage of the schools for which you already paid by paying your taxes, leave the teachers alone and let the teachers and administrators decide what is taught. The teachers don’t come to your workplace to tell you how to do your job, don’t try to tell them how to do theirs.

[@therightway2412]

You admit that parents are paying money for these public schools, but you believe that they should have no say in what's taught. As a Conservative, I pray that you run on that platform because if you do we will win 40 states.

[@mosesking2923]

You’re supposed to lick the boot, not choke on it LOL. I pay taxes and therefore I have every right to dictate the education my kids receive. The teachers work for me. Not the other way around. Teachers should NEVER be given ultimate power to decide what is taught to children. That power belongs to parents.

[@bobross3781]

Fine...if you home school, you shouldn't have to pay school taxes...i'm cool with that...oh, and feds can't subsidize schools either

[@Sebster85]

"This idea of parents having a say in what gets taught to their children is a disaster in waiting." Parents should know exactly what's being taught to their young children in school. "...leave the teachers alone and let the teachers and administrators decide what is taught." Even if teachers and administrators are teaching kids what to think and not how to think? Don't be naive. Teachers and administrators are no incorruptible saints who always have the best intentions in mind.

[@Remi-bt7tp]

All parents are asking for is to not teach gender ideology and sexuality, the bill states kids in K- 3 shouldn’t be taught any of that of that stuff and anybody in their right minds knows kids aren’t even aware of it at that age. There’s literally a twitter account called “Libs of tik tok” that has teachers every day putting out videos about how their sole goal in life is to groom and transform kids into becoming gender queer, fluid, bi, non binary, anti fascist , etc... it’s the craziest most horrifying thing you’ve ever seen. I get how people don’t know this stuff is going on b/c tribalism is what is and people live in their own tribal bubbles and the news they consume however they get it is never going to show that this type of stuff exists.

[@sunyamarpie9534]

Great show

[@benp4877]

Yep. Bruni nailed it at the end there.

[@mattman7773]

Thank you Bill. These folks haven’t read this bill

[@mosesking2923]

Bill is correct on this. People have to realize that it’s OKAY to be transphobic. We shouldn’t recommend puberty blockers or mutilating surgeries to children, much less anyone. I don’t hate them, but trans people simply don’t belong in modern societal institutions. Just look at the havok in girls sports. It’s okay to be transphobic and exclusive sometimes.

[@mattman7773]

@@mosesking2923 being phobic is to have fear that’s just a buzz word they use to call people that don’t agree with them. Or do not agree with their lifestyle.

[@blackout07blue]

@@mattman7773 aw, you little bigot. Such a big little guy.

[@blackout07blue]

Maher hasn’t read the bill.

[@nandorblue]

@@mosesking2923 I have Nazism phobia and Communism phobia and Islamophobia as well.

[@marceechristensen2533]

I have had two Granddaughters who have questioned their sexuality around the age of 12 to 13. If they aren’t educated about it, their friends will define this for them. My response to both of them was: you are young and you have time to decide. Don’t label yourself or let others label you. Take this time to find the truth of who you are, what you believe and what you want for yourself!!!

[@jasontaylor8283]

The bill is for grades K-3, so it wouldnt apply to 12-13 year olds

[@toh6261]

@@jasontaylor8283 How DARE you interupt a virtue signal with your homophobic facts and logic. Go the the shame corner 👉

[@marceechristensen2533]

@@jasontaylor8283 How narrowed minded you are….. Oh if the bill is designed to focus on elementary children but does not focus on the most vulnerable Jr High School and High School children what is it trying to accomplish!!! THIS is a BULLSHIT bill anyway!!! Spending time on control and discrimination is avoiding the Major concerns for Americans!! Oh Yeah…like the Covid Pandemic

[@marceechristensen2533]

@@toh6261 Excellent your defending my comment. You are the only reply that recognizes the reality I was expressing. Went out on a limb to even post this comment. I get so tired of these idiots but I can’t help myself in pointing out my experience

[@lahaza6515]

The press made it be at the "top of the list" and his constituents insisted he do something. It has nothing to do with gay, or lgbtq anymore than parents would want teachers to call attention to themselves and come out as straight with little kids, or put an emphasis on who's straight & who's not. They are merely saying that little kids that age should be doing nothing but learning & having fun. I see these video releases of teachers explaining that they have "come out" to their classrooms & it's unbelievable. NOT because of their preferred sexual choice, but because it's obnoxious as fuck to make it about YOU when you are in a teaching situation.

[@ryak2]

We need more open-minded data analysis and less feeling-based opinions being purported as facts. She's great.

[@LifeHappensJustinTime]

Why anyone would send their children to public schools in this day and age is beyond me.

[@billn2348]

lol, jfc, because not everyone can afford private school or home school (for starters).

[@pernus5856]

"'Out' kids to parents? Shouldn't parents know everything?" Not if those parents will kick their kids out of their homes or hurt them or subject them to conversion therapy.

[@666chew]

Just like the CRT thing....? I've read too many reports......? Time to change the channel.

[@mosesking2923]

CRT and trans ideology are both serious issues. People have to realize that it’s OKAY to be transphobic. We shouldn’t recommend puberty blockers or mutilating surgeries to children, much less anyone. I don’t hate them, but trans people simply don’t belong in modern societal institutions. Just look at the havok in girls sports. It’s okay to be transphobic and exclusive sometimes.

[@melshome6745]

Bill who has no children. Yet believe CRT is being taught in school. For the millionth time it is not. Nor can he produce any evidence of such. Same with the bill in Florida. What Child was being taught about sex in Florida. Bill has no problem with banning and burning of books mostly by people of color or LGBTQ AUTHORS.

[@houstonconservative1776]

It is a real problem in Florida..not for long

[@blackout07blue]

It’s not a problem at all bc not happening, goofy.

[@gwenfooteprints]

It's not about sex. YOU CAN'T SAY GAY! or talk about gender identify, so if children ask teachers can't answer. Children of gay parents can't speak about their families and teachers can be sued.

[@boomerang8909]

Batya is on the show. Happy now, Breaking Points?

[@willmoore8708]

You know what's hilarious? Ungar-Sargon needs to have that HUGE star of David around her neck to argue against being called a Nazi. What did she research for her "book", bumper stickers in Alabama?

[@jasonm1827]

😂👍

[@ryanhall7827]

she looked hurt when bill was shitting on trump and tucker during the end segment

[@aaguadam]

@@ryanhall7827 so true😂

[@jestinrobinson5115]

@@ryanhall7827 You looked hurt when Trump was shitting in your mouth for 4 years.

[@iamanomas]

You’re right. Those kids are too young.

[@mosesking2923]

I agree. People have to realize that it’s OKAY to be transphobic. We shouldn’t recommend puberty blockers or mutilating surgeries to children, much less anyone. I don’t hate them, but trans people simply don’t belong in modern societal institutions. Just look at the havok in girls sports. It’s okay to be transphobic and exclusive sometimes.

[@helene420]

@@mosesking2923 Troll.

[@blackout07blue]

Strawman, OP.

[@almosthelpless9374]

@@helene420 They're posted the exact same comment as replies repeatedly. They just changed the first word. I reported for spam.

[@helene420]

@@almosthelpless9374 I reported also.

[@einnAnnie]

I freaking love Batya. She is so personable and down to earth.

[@tallard666]

When is the TRIO panel returning!

[@joboyogi]

"Protecting the kids from the parents" is to help kids that are in terrible living situations because of bad parents have a means of escape. It's not the school or the kid that leads to genital mutilation and other terrible outcomes. CA is a bit more vigilant and Bill is still clouded by his bitterness over his shed taking too long. It's not an atheist haven out here and there are still drunks and addicts having children, too. So the laws should be designed to make the schools a safe haven when those kids don't have a safe home to go to, it doesn't hurt the kids at all that have more ideal situations.

[@ThatLongHairMetalGuy]

We should stop sending parents report cards, too... Never know if Jimmy's dad is going to down a handle of whiskey and beat him over those Ds.

[@gwenfooteprints]

BILL!- If a child is abused, shows signs of abuse or mental distress, or cognitive or mental distress, it is required by law!!! that the teacher, administration, or clinic/ hospital report it to Child Welfare Agencies! Or they will be charged by the court. Child welfare is paramount and is required to protect the child from parental misconduct or misinformation / treatment.

[@MelodicDreamers]

Right, those are safety issues. Teaching a 5y/o child about sex and sexuality is a safety issue that parents are worried about.

[@ChristopherBonis]

I’m so glad Batya wore a giant Star of David around her neck; otherwise, one would have no idea that she’s Jewish!

[@jopo7996]

Isn't Florida gay Bill what you call your Uncle William, that never married and retired down south?

[@wesjones6370]

The argument that "This is a backlash against a couple of incidents" is not just wrong, it misses the point entirely. The cases of COVID that led to hospitalization, and worse, long term health impacts/death, was also a small fraction of cases....yet it's a problem we need to address and for the same reason: ignoring the problem makes it grow. And secondly, Bill is right, it isn't isolated incidents. Critical Pedagogy is a common educational practice across North America, and it's growing by the day, except where it gets pushed back against. It's the reason any resistance, such as this bill, must be slandered, silenced, and then removed through bullying and radical activism. It's a threat to the very core Bill spoke of.

[@raybarry4307]

Yes it IS an urgent problem

[@nychellebrewer]

This conversation is going in a weird, creepy direction. Are they really all agreeing that parents should be notified of a child's sexual orientation as it's expressed in the classroom? Either the parents know this about their child because they have a decent, somewhat normal relationship, or they don't... which could very well mean that the child doesn't feel safe telling the parents about being gay/trans/gender nonconforming.

[@Kman31ca]

It's for K through grade 3. Common now.

[@nychellebrewer]

@@Kman31ca What's common? That parents must be notified if their kindergartner-third grader displays any signs of being gay or trans in the classroom? (I don't live in Florida and didn't watch the show before the 'Overtime' segment so I really don't know.)

[@ryanhoffman5477]

@@nychellebrewer Schools are becoming to ideological and the methodology in teachers ability to teach students is being forced to teach in a ideological methodology. Teachers aren't allowed to peache religion in school and the same should apply to philosophical and ideological views.

[@nychellebrewer]

@@ryanhoffman5477 Oy. Sorry but that really doesn't make sense. You lost me at the "ideological methodology" part. What does that mean? Is "peache" supposed to be "preach" or "teach"? Of course neither one is acceptable in American public schools when it comes to religion because of our constitutionally guaranteed separation of church and state.

[@ryanhoffman5477]

@@nychellebrewer There's Philosophy absolute folks! People that basically make their Philosophy as if it's a religious text and sacred. Philosophy is a tool and can be just as corrupt as an religious system. Religion, Philosophy, and Ideology often create a paralogic or a methodology to view reality in order to brainwash you. Like a pseudo reality to a person's ability to process information.

[@BrickBreaker21]

It does need to be at the top, when you see "Drag queen hour" at a Kindergarten class. No way should this be happening.

[@karmayt8956]

Kids shouldn’t learn about sex so young, so people should stop molesting them. Do you know the statistics on child sex abuse?

[@Dr.TJ1]

But I’ve listened to people who attended Trump’s rallies and they’re not nuanced or complicated, they’re just dumb. Sometimes, things such as tribalism are just that simple to explain.

[@zoobrizz]

Yes. It seems like Bill has taken the Red 🩸pill and has seen the light 👍

[@waynewright5023]

Parents are **NOT** being denied a say in what their kids are being taught in public schools--that's just a crap justification for this persecutional piece of legislation. That is why parent-teacher conferences exist : to give parents the opportunity to have a greater input and insight into how their children are being taught, as well as what they are being taught. As a former educator, I have *dozens* of stories pertaining to how I tried every whichaway to induce more parents to take a **greater** interest & involvement in what their children were learning in the classroom. I completely disagree with Ms. Sargon on that point of "justification". Teachers **want** parents to play a greater role in their child's education, and this bill--which persecutes a specific demographic for no other reason than political demonization points--does not in any way, shape or form increase parental involvement in the improvement of the classroom environment. It's meant to be a wedge issue--nothing more I had a standing invitation to every parent that I met on greet-and-meet night at the school where I worked : "If you ever want to see how I teach my students--just show up. No appointment or prior notification that you are coming is required. Just show up." I worked with elementary school kids for seventeen years, and in that entire time I had four parents--out of all of the students with whom I interacted--who actually just spontaneously showed up to watch me conduct my classes..

[@meganbaker9116]

Your assumption that every teacher thinks and operates exactly like you did is absurd. Yes, the Florida bill is bogus and bigoted, but the idea that teachers welcome input from parents is ludicrous. I’ve sat in many teachers’ lounges and read many comments from current and former teachers on Facebook, and they are a nasty lot! Yes, parents disrespect teachers, but there’s much more contempt in the other direction. This makes sense, given that teachers don’t want parents concluding that they can teach their own children better than some grumpy, grade-obsessed teacher can. Teachers want to be seen as indispensable professionals without whom children could not possible learn anything, and this makes them a pretty natural enemy of parents.

[@waynewright5023]

@@meganbaker9116 I make no such assumptions, Ms. Baker, as I indicated from my first person singular perspective. I speak from **my** experiences interacting with elementary students, and **my** experiences interacting with colleagues and educators who have dealt with and faced this dilemma on a daily basis--what is safe to say around the students?? What questions can you answer, and which ones for you have to find a way to diplomatically deflect?? I get the point that you are trying to make, but just that assertion.."That just makes them the natural enemy to parents.."--teachers are **not** the "enemy of parents", but that is the kind of tribalistic mentality that this kind of legislation is trying to foment.. Teachers deal with this tightrope walk on a daily basis, and the idea that they would **willingly** place themselves in this precarious position by having sexually-oriented condos with second and third graders is absolutely absurd!!! No teacher--no matter how politically active--would rake the chance of bringing that brick house of culpability AND liability down on their own heads. Maintaining a classroom environment that is conducive to learning, constructive and inclusive is already hard enough without putting oneself in a position to be reprimanded or sued because of possible inappropriate conversations with a minor. And, quick factoid : teachers were getting sued **before** this ridiculous law in Florida was ever dreamed up. Also, isn't it amazing how years & years & years of student-teacher interaction went by, but no one ever heard about the need for this kind of legislation until an election year when a conservative incumbent needed a manufactured wedge "issue" with which to divide the voters?? 🤔🤔 Republicans have been doing this for years and years, ever since the days of Reagan--why waste time trying to craft policy proposals on which to campaign?? Just manufacture a divisive, emotional wedge issue that will completely distract the voters from policy issues on campaign on the fiction of that "issue" instead..

[@meganbaker9116]

@@waynewright5023 Yes, you did use the first person singular, but you also started your comment with "Parents are *NOT* being denied a say in what their kids are being taught in public schools...," and then go on to tell us what you did as a teacher. Readers are clearly going to see you as believing that what you did the rest of your profession does. Now it's obvious from the rest of your comment that you're not a good writer or even a casual proofreader, so maybe you were unaware of how your comment would be taken, but I maintain that most readers would interpret your remarks the way I did. Moving on, you needn't have spent so many words excoriating the Republicans; I have no love for those people, and that part of your rant was irrelevant to my comment. Finally, you misquoted me. In doing so you did not happen to distort the spirit of the quoted sentence but it's necessary, when quoting anyone, to replicate what was said VERBATIM. This is not what you did and that's careless.

[@waynewright5023]

@@meganbaker9116 I tried to respond to your comments earlier, but KZbin wouldn't allow it, so here we go again.. I do not know if you have any experience in the education profession, but parents are NOT "being denied a say in the curriculum of their children..", as this bogus bill tries--laughably--to assert. This is why teachers have several parent-teacher conferences every school calendar year, and any parent who wants to know what a specific educator is teaching in their class need only to make an appointment to get an eyeballs-on look at any curriculum material, Ms. Baker. I pointed this specifically because this bill that was just passed goes to great pains to assert that its purpose is to "Give parents a say in what is being taught to their children..", when their input has *never* been ignored, prohibited or refused.. Secondly, I don't rant--I go into great detail because I do not like my words to need to be 'interpreted'--anyone who takes the time to read my commented responses in their entirety knows exactly where I stand on a specific issue or topic. To some this may seem pedantic or unnecessary, but I prefer that there be no ambiguity attached to my comments. The Republicans received the focus of my attention because they--more than any other faction of the government, or segment of the population--have aggressively done more to undermine academic growth and forward-moving progress, and they deserve to be excoriated without mercy.. Third, what you actually meant was "You are clearly not a *skilled* writer" (which I am actually), as opposed to "You are clearly not a good writer"---"good" refers to flavor or taste, not to ability or skill. As for what other teachers do in their respective classrooms--ya" got me--I can't actually know how different teachers handle their classroom environments, but trust me when 6say that teachers are liability hypersensitive, and--once again--when they aren't diplomatically deflecting questions whose answers **they know** would get them in trouble, they are verrrrrrrrrrrrry carefully measuring their words.. In closing, let me relate that during my seventeen years involved with elementary school kids, I had a standing invitation that I extended to all parents at greet-and-meet night each year, and that invitation was "If you want to see how I conduct my classes, just show up. That was it.. Just show up.. No advance notice.. No appointment necessary.. In all of my years as an educator interacting with students, do you know how many parents actually decided to just spontaneously show up to view how I conducted my classes?? You could count them on one hand--four. In seventeen years of extending that invitation, only four parents actually bothered to show up. So this assertion by Republicans that parents are being denied access and input regarding the curriculum at their children's schools is complete rubbish that they concocted to anger and scare parents with a manufactured wedge issue that doesn't actually exist.. Nice chatting with you--it is most refreshing to encounter someone in the comments section who knows how to compose complete sentences sans the juvenile insults & snarky remarks--ciao..👋👋👋 Oh, P.S.--I shall endeavor to be more careful about composing clearer sentences--ciao for real this time..

[@meganbaker9116]

@@waynewright5023 I don't think you're a good OR skilled writer, but go ahead and believe what you like. I'm sure you invited parents to have conferences with you and that there were "meet and greets" so that "any parent who wants to know what a specific educator is teaching in their class" could find out, but finding out what is being taught is not the same as having INPUT into what is taught. You have not explained in what ways you believe parents have such input, yet you claim repeatedly that they do. A skilled writer would have provided any evidence he had for this the first time he insisted that parents have a say in what is taught. A skilled writer would also know that "forward-moving progress" is redundant, but let's put that aside. I would suggest that it is not just Republicans who have negatively impacted our public schools but liberals too, and schools themselves. Certainly Republicans are no friends of public education, but the dumbing down of the system began in the 1960s in reaction to Sputnik, and has never let up despite ever-increasing staffs and budgets, to the point that we spend more money on public K-12 than all the countries of the world except one or two, while our results are worse than those of dozens of other countries. It's just not as simple as "Those evil Republicans have ruined the system!" That complaint is not only facile but ignorant of the history of American public education. I recommend the book "Insult to Intelligence: The Bureaucratic Invasion of Our Classrooms," by Frank Smith. It's a rarely seen but important history of how quality was eliminated from our schools much farther back than most liberals believe. Yes, the Florida bill is bigoted and unnecessary, but the endless whining by teachers and school boosters about the system being relentlessly under attack is starting to wear thin, even for liberal parents (see the school board recall in San Francisco and the governor's election results in Loudon County, Virginia). There is a great deal more wrong with our industrial public schools than Republican shenanigans, and the longer school people remain clueless about it the sooner humane alternatives are going to pop up in every corner of this country. That's a good thing in my book, but I'm sure you'd disagree.

[@pepper13111]

Up to school boards to say no gay ,not state. Run for school board , go to the meetings

[@fredtello]

This reeks that it's been blown out of proportion? Oh yeah? Based on what? Based on nothing. I'll tell you why it's a good bill because it's a legitimate attempt to stop the indoctrination of even younger students than usual.

[@Quazlor]

They all seemed to miss the point that if the parents don't already know that their child is gay (for example) and the school outs them, there is the possibility that the parents may react negatively. Possibly with emotional or physical abuse, and rejection. Plus, should the school inform the parents if their child is showing signs of being straight? Since being gay or straight are both perfectly normal and valid, then surely they should.

[@DmanDice]

Ok..I know why I keep seeing comments like this. You didnt actually read it. You think teachers have to report gays as if they are prohibited from school. They are not. Teachers simply can not teach sexuality.

[@guerramaur]

Freud established that we think about sex since age 2.

[@thrawncaedusl717]

I’m relatively sure that is a misunderstanding of Freud. Yes, we are informed by our sexual impulses (or more accurately, human desire to seek pleasure) from birth, but it it is not until the end of the “latent phase” that it becomes fully developed thought about sex (usually around middle school/start of high school). That said, Freud is less than proven (I would not go as far as to say “debunked”, but he was looking for useful models more than provable facts), and was mostly only focused on boys (specifically white boys from specific cultures), so how far his theories can be generalized is questionable.

[@zoobrizz]

Who cares? 🤡☝️

[@troyzieman7177]

I absolutely hate agreeing with Desantos , it pains me , but there is nothing wrong with this Florida law. Can we let kids be kids. They are not capable of deciding what they should have for dinner never mind working out their gender or sexuality. What an adult does when they have figured it out is completely fine. I am not on board with Transgenderism . However , harassing, bothering , assaulting them has to be off the table. You live your life as you see fit . I dont have to buy in for us too get along.

[@samactor20]

The don’t say gay bill should be renamed to match its intended purpose, to not teach gender and sexuality to kids in K-3rd grade; the name itself is what I think is causing outrage amongst people

[@jasonm1827]

So k-3rd grade kids don't have gay or transgender parents? So it's ok to talk about Stevens mommy and daddy just not Julie's two mom's...got it 🙄

[@thatsthejobbb8587]

Being a parent now... I miss the days teachers ratted me out to my parents😂

[@dontransue9843]

It doesn't have to be an enormous issue to be bad; racial identity shit and teaching homosexuality to K thru 3rd grade is not acceptable and seems to be a replacement for religion in my opinion.

[@poorvamalhotra123]

Educators do this job not for the high pay or the stocks. We don't know what a child's home situation is. We have to trust our schools and teachers instead of hindering them with black and white rules for a nuanced world.

[@gwenfooteprints]

BILL! YOU ARE A FAVE OF MINE. But yes! sometimes children need to be protected from parents or others. My professional experience in hospitals and then teaching: If a professional- doctor or educator sees emotional, physical, or mental problems in a child, it has to be documented and reported- with the well being of the child paramount, or the professional can be charged or sued.

[@ChrisJones-vh4sw]

Good news, this has nothing to do with the bill whatsoever.

[@jayl271322]

"Oh well then talk about Bitcoin." 👍

[@davidmckendry7684]

Having "a say" means do as I say. Not you as teachers or even other parents.

[@rjnation5042]

Always enjoyable, but my school knew I was gay way before ether of my parents, I actually got great support & protection, I was harassed by some students & teachers, it wasn't fun, Oh & by the way I'm 51, Rj in Oz

[@bobross3781]

Again , that was in the 70's or 80's ...stop with YOUR drama

[@nychellebrewer]

Yes. Sometimes kids feel safer expressing themselves at school, where they're surrounded by other kids and adults who have at least some background in child psychology, than in the narrow confines of the home, where they may be punished for anything their parents focus on disapproving of.

[@SuperFabulicious]

@@bobross3781I experienced something similar and I’m 22 so don’t fool yourself into believing this doesn’t still happen. we have lots of work to do and you’d probably feel a lot better trying to move the ball forward than hold it back

[@bobross3781]

@@SuperFabulicious yes, i get it , many millennials want attention on social media and feel pressure to identity as trans, bi , fluid, etc ..this fad , like all others will eventually fade away ...

[@y2kbadbug]

@@nychellebrewer teachers don't have backgrounds in child psychology... Where did you even get that? Guidance counselors barely even have anything.

[@johnnybrighton9156]

Another brief Overtime - this one not even seven minutes. Even Kenneth Branagh, who was manfully trying to convince Americans to see a film about the Northern Ireland troubles, couldn't be bothered to stick around for it.

[@wdaniel9]

"Kernel of truth"?! Talking to children about sexuality years before they are developmentally capable of understanding it is not only useless but potentially harmful! Sex ed in high school! when did that change!?

[@cshubs]

I wonder why they don't release Overtime on HBO Max.

[@patlynch3464]

So I read about a town of about 120,000 people in the midwest that recently opened a club house of sorts for gay teens to hang out after school. I guess they can go there and play darts or shoot pool, watch movies and such. Doesn't anybody else see the potential for trouble here? I'm assuming adults work there to run the place and pay the bills. In this day and age why would we do this? If there was a 30 year old man running a center for girls 13-17 primarily immigrants from SE Asia and Eastern Europe new to the country they would string him up. Actually the immigrant parents probably would be the first to complain because their families are mostly still in tact.

[@stevenkalavity9879]

For the record, in 1970s USA, public schools would present sex education in 5th and 6th grade. A few 3rd grade females may menstrate. There are so many social issues that can be taught simply by saying be kind and respectful to others without going into too many details. This is what 0-3rd graders can grasp. Critical race theory is not generically discussed and understood. Until adults/parents and teachers reach some level of common understanding, it is dangerous to introduce such ambiguous concepts to children.

[@Missy-Missy1111]

It seems some parents have time for this BS, but no time to sit down & read 20 minutes every night with their child.

[@fraliexb]

They forget to mention that the "don't say gay" bill will also affect kids who have same sex parents and the questions that arise when other kids ask why little Suzy has two dads.

[@zoobrizz]

Grow up. Read the bill

[@jasonm1827]

Exactly

[@jasonm1827]

@@zoobrizz what part was wrong? So it's ok for Steve to talk about his mom and dad but not lori and her two dads? You grow up bigot.

[@exposedhobo]

Can there be a rule where the audience cant clap, its the most annoying thing I am trying to hear a discussion and clapping starts and pauses it for any point

[@Emk315]

Bill where in that bill did it suggest “don’t it say gay”?

[@dmiller1000]

Good on Frank Bruni for not having a knee-jerk negative comment on the Florida bill. The best he could say is that it's not the most important thing to be focusing on. That's praising with faint damn...

[@jonsmith9838]

well he is right. I mean culture war bullshit should be called out on both sides

[@ryanlocklear750]

bill needs to be on for 2 hrs a week

[@JLP4444]

Learn from Rogan's success.

[@zoobrizz]

Yes. It seems like Bill has taken the Red 🩸pill and has seen the light 👍

[@daveparker5569]

Bill. You make sense. Who the f$#% are these other people?

[@yt00yt]

The point about the school protecting the student against the parents: yes, some parents are assholes and abusive and will disown their child for any little thing the child does that the parents don't like, so, in these cases, the child does need to be protected from the parent(s), and the only other entity in a child's life to do this is the school.

[@ishanloomba788]

Yes exactly. Including being gay. I disagree with Bill here (but not always!).

[@ryanhoffman5477]

Schools and teachers can be corrupt as well! Teachers can take advantage of a student coming out! There is lots of cases of teachers sexual abuse.

[@ivangoncharuk8322]

Don’t forget about Budapest memorandum! Ukraine gave up nuclear weapon in order to be protected. The memorandum was originally signed by three nuclear powers: the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States.

[@catherinewilliams9680]

My issue with telling parents that a student is gay is the students know their parents better than the school does. If I know my parents are members of the Westboro Baptist Church, I don't want them to know that I identify as gay.

[@DmanDice]

How is telling the teacher going to help? If you are abused, report the abuse. The reason for the abuse doesnt matter at that point.

[@chancerobinson5112]

Tribalism, as an effect of the Internet, was first identified by Marshall McLuhan in the 1960s. What a visionary!

[@LordIstar]

The internet hadn't been invented in the 1960s...