Overview Of Third-Party Movements: ETA, Miyota, Seiko, & More (A Comprehensive Guide)

[@Mr_Santo5]

I have a 39 year old Citizen with a Miyota 8200 movement that's never been serviced and it gets +/-3 seconds a day.

[@johnmuthan286]

Same here with most of my watches, ain't broken don't fix it.

[@sam-001]

I have miyota super 2035 movement , Accuracy is 🤟🤟👍

[@daviscoady1999]

@@johnmuthan286 I thought the same thing, didn’t want to service my grandfather‘s old watch for the longest time until it stopped working. Lack of oil made a divot in one of the jewels, now I’m on top of my services!

[@gregginter5867]

Wow!

[@istvantoth7431]

Yeah, sure.. most Miyotas are garbage still.

[@drchrisfleming-wsuteaching7773]

It's astonishing to me that it took this long to actually have a watch channel that talks about watches knowledgeably. The vast proliferation of channels which prioritise "unboxing" (basically a kind of strip-show for the intellectually challenged) and various guys saying things like "this thing feels really solid" and "it looks really, really nice" and "you know, to me this looks like a much more expensive watch" is comic. It's like turning up for a meal and being served foam. The sheer educational and entertainment value TB offers is always fantastic. Thanks, Teddy - more power to you.

[@EchoSevenNine]

Brilliantly descriptive.

[@_hector__]

A bit harsh

[@christopherbroga4700]

Not harsh at all - professionals in the industry give regular market updates in which they say things like “everybody knows how much I like blue” and “always great to see one of these come across the desk”

[@dontbelieveeverythingyouth8173]

@@christopherbroga4700 Why I sold my Explorer et al.

[@godfreyfoster9303]

Hi Chris, there is our British expert Arnaud from his channel The Watch Chronicler. Highly informative , highly recommend and strangely Teddy has stepped up a long way to match Arnold's informative presentation nowadays. Plus Teddy says a few more words per minute than anyone else I've heard, quite amazing fluency!! Well done Teddy 🧸 👏 If I have a criticism it's his over pricing of the lower end of the watch market maybe he is protected his own shop pricing, good ol' price conditioning 🤔

[@nessilian]

Hi Teddy! Since I got the impression that you like the german brands as much as we do here in Austria, I have a fun fact for you. Here in Austria (south of Germany) it is tradition to gift a Junghans to your son or daughter at "the first holy communion" or after you finished the "Matura" ( google: higher school certification?). It has to be worn by the father and represents the continous lifeline beyond generational borders. The luck of the father goes down to his children and shall grant them their own luck in life under the protecting eyes of the father. Kids are around 14 at communion and 18 at the "Matura" so, they are just starting out getting some experience. It has to be a Junghans, because the brand was regarded as a "proper watch, that doesn`t fail" but left space on top to be more successful to buy a more luxurious watch. (The next step yould be a Rolex for medical doctors or atorneys) I just wanted to let you know, that there are cultures in the world, that share your appreciation for the german watch brands.

[@angledmusasabi]

I just returned to watch videos as a prime distraction, and I prefer my distractions to at least feel educational. I am _so_ glad I caught this video in particular, because it's not only actually educational, but it's a huge chunk of my DIY watch knowledge that was missing! Thank you for the work, Teddy. It is sincerely appreciated.

[@sethmoyer]

Honestly if I see that a watch has a Seiko Instruments or ETA movement, or even some of the Miyota ones, I know that it's going to run great and be easy to find someone who is willing to service it.

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Exactly

[@sethmoyer]

Another thing I forgot to mention is that a few years back, Seiko released an OEM version of the 8R chronograph movement called the NE88 or NE86, and it is a much nicer movement than the valjoux 7750 that it competes with because it is a vertical clutch column wheel chronograph. I haven't seen it used in many watches though for whatever reason. My guess is that at the price point, people just want to see that "SWISS MADE" on the dial

[@khalifa2080]

New 8o hour eta are rubbish.

[@oscarosullivan4513]

@@khalifa2080 How

[@khalifa2080]

@@oscarosullivan4513 no regulation and no supply for of parts to repairers, monopoly strategy.

[@gpaje]

I love the NH35 movement, out of the box in a cheap watch it can be a bit off than you prefer, but a tiny adjustment on the balance wheel adjuster can get it within a few seconds per day, even without a timegrapher. I have one in my first automatic, a Invicta Dive watch, that hasn't been serviced in over 10 years, and it's within a few seconds per day.

[@sf4769]

I have an invicta as well with the 24 jewel and its been very good

[@timothyfoley3000]

I need to find a video on how to do regulate NH 35.

[@gpaje]

@@timothyfoley3000 Just searched on KZbin, plenty on of videos that show how to do it, very similar to other movements.

[@shakespeare_hall4788]

I just bought a steeldive of Alibaba with the NH35 and it hasn't lost or gained a second in 3 weeks Spot on!... Not bad for a $180 watch!

[@campshay19]

Movements usually set the price of the watch. So it's good to know what movement is in the watch you are getting so you don't over pay. Some microbrands will sell a $1000 watch with a NH35 in it which is absurd.

[@oscarosullivan4513]

A Sellita would be more fitting

[@gapf2010channel]

A whatch with an NH35A can be had for $100

[@geo40211]

@@gapf2010channel exactly!

[@geo40211]

I disagree. Bought in bulk, before sorting and further regulation by watch manufacturers a Miyota 8215 or an NH 35 would be sold anywhere between $15 and $35. A 9000 Series or 4r+ between $18 and $42. Etc.etc...

[@rainerhofmeister6648]

As absurd as using a Sellita SW200 Standard in a 2500 EUR watch from a big brand, or is it?

[@porscheguy19]

My daily wear watch is using a Miyota 9039. I regulated it myself over the course of about a week... carefully adjusting it back and forth until it consistently runs +1 second per day. This morning I woke up and it was 1/2 second fast from where I hacked it 24 hours before. It can go a few days without deviating by a second or two. It is a fantastic movement. There's nothing practically more that an in-house movement can give you.

[@Mister_Phafanapolis]

There is objectively nothing a luxury watch gives you above a solid “regular” or mid tier watch. There are more beveled edges and movement decoration but I’m not convinced that makes for a _better_ watch. In a nuts-and-bolts way, no improvements for thousands of dollars more.

[@sarahconner9433]

Your awesome bro.... Self regulating.... Rolex fanboyz are crying silently in the bathroom!!!

[@zh9732]

FWIW the quality control may be somewhat to blame/credit for these cheaper ones. Sometimes I get the impression a movement just doesn't want to run well, probably because of tolerance stacking falling within the window just the right way. When you got a good one, the stars align and it's worth 10x the price!

[@jmount411]

In the beginning of my watch collecting journey i was all about in-house movements. While they are great and Rolex, Seiko, Tudor, Omega, Breitling, Zenith, JLC, Patek, VC, and so on make some reliable and proven movements. But they cost quite a bit to service. Now i honestly appreciate the utility, reliability, and serviceability of ETA and Miyota movements. It doesn't bother me if a watch has one. They are accurate and reliable. The service costs are half of what a in-house movement service is. While im totally fine with ETA, if i had the choice i almost prefer the Miyota. Its still quite accurate and reliable. I dont mind the rotor noise and usually the watch can be alot thinner than the ETA counterpart. If im spending 5 grand obviously i don't want a miyota movement but you get the point.

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

Thanks for this comment, Josh. I agree with you!

[@nintendokings]

Miyota isn’t serviceable though, you simply swap i out for a new one. Also, it’s not thinner than an equivalent ETA

[@jmount411]

@@nintendokings 9015 is 1mm thinner than 2824. Sounds marginal but it makes a difference in case size

[@marcn8750]

Hi Teddy, Some useful tips for the newer collectors. Some points to add: 1. In-house does not mean better. Remember that patek has used Lemania chronograph movements for the longest time. It’s not in-house n The royal oak and nautilus and 222 all used the JLC 2121. So let’s get real and tell it as it is. 2. Reliability and accuracy and finishing. If you have a solid caseback, you want reliability and accuracy. Also ease of servicing. 3. When some high-end brands use an ETA 2892-2 movement(as an example) they do not just plonk in the movement. They often modify said movement. Using it as an ebauch. 4. Modular chronograph movements can be way cheaper to have serviced. Why? Well, often there is no need to service the chronograph module. Just the underlying base movement. Hope this helps newer collectors. Don’t believe all the fluff you hear. Often it’s just that … fluff. Best, Marc I run the Girard-Perregaux laureato Fan club FB group. All are welcome.

[@manoflego123]

When I hear that a microbrand watch uses a Seiko movement I take that as a sign of quality. My first automatic was an SNK805, and while the 7S26 isn't the best in the world it has yet to let me down.

[@randomhandle]

Yes, Teddy B. This is the level of nerdiness I was looking for. Thanks.

[@H1euTr4n]

I have 2 watches with the movement Miyots 9015 inside and both of them are great! The movement is rather slim making the cases of the watches also very slim. Accuracy wise, both of them are the same at + 3-5 seconds a day. They are so good that I don't want to buy a microbrand watch if it does not have a movement from the Miyota 9000 series.

[@mnhhnm]

agreed, Miyota 9000 series and ETA 2824-2 elaborate version are my go-to option now, they run far more accurate than 6R15 in my other watches

[@sarsiemanuel9229]

I love the Miyota 9 series too. I like that I hear and feel the rotor. I like spinning it. I don’t mind what people say. I like the fact that I know it’s there

[@lirrfan3879]

Just got a Smiths Everest Gilt dial with 9000 series...keeping excellent time.

[@robertobaccala4752]

Which brands do you have?... it's not so easy to find out in the market brands which fit 9 series... so, if you can tell me a few brands, then it'll be very much appreciated. Thanks

[@H1euTr4n]

@@robertobaccala4752 Phoibos used the Miyota 9000 series but as of late, they only use Seiko NH35A. :/

[@cryptoengineer9930]

My favourite is the myota 9015. Got 2 of these and both run around 0 to 1 second a day accuracy. One is 6-7 years old never been serviced. Got more expensive movements that do not keep this accuracy. Heard from others these are great movements.

[@jeffm0518]

One of our best videos ever. In my humble opinion, this is one of the most educational watch videos I have ever seen. I actually made notes so I would remember what you were saying about each one. TY for putting in ALL the work. You make it easy for the rest of us!

[@JohanyPopoola]

Picked up a MAMACOO's watch as my first watch last month and I’m absolutely in love with it. Perfect size, looks elegant, very comfortable. Now my only problem is holding off from buying more watches so quickly!

[@coffeeisgood102]

Having a background in clock repair, movements are always high on my list when choosing a watch. A watch is only as good as it’s movement. Thanks for sharing this important info to your viewers.

[@DanielleSvenson]

My watch was purchased 2 years ago from AMZWATCH and, to this day, it still looks and runs as well as it did the day it arrived. That movement has never missed a beat despite never having been serviced. I can't complain about that.

[@felixs.7243]

An interesting thing to mention is that Sinn Spezialuhren from Germany uses 7 different manufacturers for their movements. First is of course ETA, but mostly the quartz watches like the dive watch line UX, then of course Sellita in most of the normal 3-hand-watches like the 104, then Valjoux for the 7750 like in the 910, then a clone of the 7750, the Concepto C99001 in the 103, then comes the La Joux-Perret 8000 in the 903, then the In-House-Stuff they have come up in the EZM10 and others, but as it's a ground-up-modification of 7750-like movements, it's shady. At last we have the UWD 33.1 in the 6200 WG MEISTERBUND 1, which rivals A. Lange & Söhne in beauty and finishing. 7 manufacturers is just insane for one watch company.

[@vapingwithjames3370]

I’m not saying Seiko is the best but their movements have always worked well and been reliable for me plus I think their movements are reasonably priced. Great video. Thank you

[@user-hs2hd7wp9g]

Movements are great but the only thing keeping me away from them is their hardlex crystals, it's just unacceptable when watches in the same price range offer sapphire.

[@Ces1um]

@@user-hs2hd7wp9g totally understand this comment but hardlex is a lot different from say a timex mineral crystal. Haven’t been able to scratch my 5 year old mini turtle despite having banged it off of every door jam in the world at least twice. I gotta get my depth perception checked….

[@CybertroninfiniteOfficial]

​@@user-hs2hd7wp9ggo with Chinese models, they have full sapphire

[@wholeNwon]

I seem to recall that, in my youth, a watch company (Benrus?) made a watch that was "self-regulating". If you correctly reset the watch by advancing the minute hand, the watch would also speed up very slightly. The reverse was also true. I wonder if such movements are still made.

[@leewimberly6114]

Teddy you should be proud that this video, as well as many others that you create adds greatly to the equation for watch knowledge in the world. Most watch commentators out there would be unwilling or unable to do something of this quality. We all know that you have a large watch sales enterprise in your stable. But it is so refreshing that you don’t ever try to cram sales down our throats like so many of your colleagues. Congratulations! I close by mentioning that a few months ago I bought a limited edition ceramic dial watch from a small Swiss watchmaker, Lundis Bleus. The watch has a Sellita 300 movement that I feel compares favorably with those of my Rolex and Grand Seiko models.

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

Thank you, Lee! I appreciate comments like this!

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Great design but shame about the size

[@leewimberly6114]

@@oscarosullivan4513 my Lundis Bleus is 40mm wide and has a thickness of 11mm, so it is very much a dress watch. They make quality and beautiful minimalist watches! Check them out😊.

[@oscarosullivan4513]

@@leewimberly6114 40mm seems to be a bit big for a dress watch

[@devonshire56]

Having serviced hundreds of watch movements I learned a lot from this very valuable assay of the very movements I come across regularly although I have to admit some I have never seen or worked on. Just too many beautiful movements out there. I'm currently restoring several Felsa 692's which are a favorite oldie of mine.

[@legnisstudio]

🙂 Good to hear that. I just bought one of the most interesting vintage watch I found: Felsa 692, 30 jewels and micro-adjustment (swan-neck). Old Relide adjusted in 4 positions.

[@Podcastage]

Great video Teddy. This was extremely educational and must have taken a lot of research.

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

Thank you, my friend! You know how this video thing can get time consuming...

[@Podcastage]

@@TeddyBaldassarre Oh absolutely I do. Appreciate the time you put in to compile this info and keep up the great work.

[@morgan97475]

Agreed. I will likely reference this video again.

[@robertnaus88]

yes, educational for me as well.

[@davidmceachern3971]

@@TeddyBaldassarre you the man Teddy. Great video. Your research and knowledge on this was impeccable. You kept the flow from start to finish. Maybe highlight the ETA sales practices forcing naming of these brands stepping to the plate. It sure was messy. Once again Teddy, A brilliant look at a long and most times yo yum industry of watch movements. Those in the know will appreciate all your hard work. Thank again Lord Baldassarre. 🤙🏻

[@JohnBuckmaster-sw3wm]

The Zenith El Primero is my grail watch and has been for quite a while. I have recently Been paying much more attention to movements when shopping and considering what to add to my collection. Thanks for creating such a great piece that is straight forward and full of great information!

[@JohnBuckmaster-sw3wm]

The El Primero is my grail as well. I have thought of the Zenith movements as ‘the best’ for a long time!

[@katyreese5925]

You read my mind!! I was trying to work up the courage to reach out to you to request this EXACT CONTENT! Am happy to have a base level understanding of the movements and inner workings of the watches I study and covet. More information like this is appreciated!

[@Jedi391]

I have to say, the 9015 Miyota series is better than ETA/SW200…..and yes I have all. They’re more durable, require less maintenance, and don’t have the winding weak points. The only complaint you hear is the sound of the rotor spinning at times, which bothers me none at all. My current example in a Vaer watch is my first. Keeps a consistent +4 seconds a day. Very pleased.

[@watchnorthlondon]

Teddy rising to Mosso level uninterrupted expert delivery.

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

I am flattered as I respect Tim greatly.

[@acunacorporations]

Mosso finishing

[@goldenarm009]

No one is on mosso’s level. Dudes in another stratosphere.

[@derekflanderschang9654]

Tim only stops momentarily to inhale

[@derekflanderschang9654]

I listened to this at 1.5x and my brain almost exploded

[@RobbieKhan]

Having owned watches with both in-house and 3rd party movements I can safely say the quality and reliability doesn't change one bit between them and as Teddy pointed out, totally comes down to how each watch brand regulates the movement when it's going into the case. Currently I have the following app-tracked accuracies from my current collection: Baltic Aquascaphe SB01 (Miyota 9039): +0.93s/day Baltic Aquascaphe Bronze (Miyota 9039): +4.9s/day Laco Aachen 39mm (Miyota 8315) +7.08s/day Hamilton Khaki Pilot Pioneer Mechanical (H-50, ETA 2801 base) +0.54s/day And in recent years sold but really enjoyed: Marloe Morar Black Edition (Miyota 9039) +2s/day NOMOS Ahoi Atlantic (NOMOS Epsilon) +3s/day Tudor Pelagos (ETA 2824-2) +1s/day Marloe Coniston Speed Edition (Miyota 8N33) +4s/day These are incredible accuracy figures really for non COSC movements and a testament to the brands regulating their watches properly. The 8315 is the only exception but 7s a day is still nothing to sniff at for a mid-band automatic movement with 60hrs power reserve. I can happily wait until service time and get my watchmaker to regulate it to more positions in that time.

[@markgrieves1307]

Wow Teddy. That was an education! Thank you.

[@felipezapata9693]

My 14 year old Breitling Colt Automatic houses an ETA 2824-2. A work horse, keeping perfect time without any service as of yet. Highly underrated movements imo

[@simonthewatchguy6073]

Great video Ted! The miyota movements always blow me away. They're so so so good. My NY0040 has been outstanding in the accuracy department. Around +3-4 a day!

[@kananpaket9301]

The miyoka has been used for India seller (citizen prefered movement) but if you got a Tissot watch with miyoka movement you will not be happy with a frankenwatch

[@mikewazowski6161]

nothing spectacular for a miyota (citizen)...🇯🇵♥️

[@will4525]

@@kananpaket9301 well no shit, that has nothing to do with the movement, just the fact that it’s a frankenwatch LMAO

[@Mattthewanderer]

THIS was one in depth video. Too much content on YT is superficial barely disguised clickbait with definite ROI constraints. Thank you for making something real.

[@Sr.D]

The miyota 9015 it's so underrated, I hope someday it will reach the level of modding support for the community that the nh35/36 has

[@simonbailey2151]

It’s got to find its way into some slimline dive watches for a reasonable price. RLG do one, but not many others.

[@daddynugent]

That was very educational for me to appreciate how these movements are differentiated by watchbands on specification, quality and value. I have bought my first Automatic watch which is a Longines Spirit that uses a L888.4 which is a modified ETA movement thats COSC certified. I am very pleased with its accuracy, power reserve, & it is so nicely finished that I use it on a daily basis. I appreciated this video in helping me decern what I should look for in my next watch purchase, thank you so much.

[@spicymemesz]

I have an Invicta Pro Diver with an SII NH35A movement. This watch over time had gotten me into the realm of watches and after roughly 7 years of absolutely beating it up (I got it when I was younger). This watch after recently adjusting its speed and tightening the rotor (came loose from having beaten it up), this thing is still going strong within chronometer specs. I’ve since bought a new pro diver with the same movement and it still keeps going at chronometer time (after adjustment). I hope to get an omega in the future 😁

[@j.chiari]

Hope you get your Omega, my best wishes man! Just a quick question, is the Invicta logo on the side of the Pro Diver often visible under normal use with a short sleeved shirt?

[@fancytyme]

I have four Valjoux 7750-based chronos. It's like wearing wobbly hockey pucks on my wrists and I love them all.

[@Wrex327]

Huge pill of knowledge, huge amount of research. I love videos like that and this is what separates you from another watch youtubers that I know. We beg for more!

[@robertromeo762]

Back in 1989 or 90, l bought my mother a watch with Miyota quartz movement. When my mom passed away, my sister gave me the watch to me. It still works, has never been serviced, except for a simple screw tightening which l did myself. Talk about Japanese enginuity.

[@jodysilvia2]

Your wealth of knowledge is impressive Teddy.

[@Hamish_Whitehaven]

My Best Watch out of 8 is with a Seiko NH36 in a Aragon Divemaster 42mm (Black Dial with 12) with steady +2 to max + 4 in weeks.. is also my cheapest watch, but with more features than some double and more that expensive watches i have :) Love this thing

[@skaz1504]

I frequently go back to this video to refresh and supplement my knowledge on this content---can't express in words how helpful this information has been on my watch-buying/collecting journey. Thank you for the work you do, Teddy!

[@baroussejaquet]

It's good to reward ourselves sometimes . While I'm not one to spend on high-end watch (I spend too much money on travel, lol), I can appreciate your gorgeous and timeless watch. I love how it's a symbol of all your hard work.And i choose NKUWAN every time honestly

[@EluviaPurifoy]

Been watching your videos for a while now and was inspired to start a collection. Started with the MAMACOO, its specs for price and clean looks, now am looking for a dress watch to add.

[@davidmarino9852]

With Swatch turning off the supply to non Swatch watch makers, and them being basically an in house movement supplier to Swatch brands shouldn't we begin to stop calling ETA movements third party - and begin calling them in-house movements for many Swatch brands. Just like Swatch has some 18 watch brands they also have some 17 manufacturers in house of which ETA is one. Swatch seems to be a classic vertically integrated company and I'm sure as a movement specialist they are involved with making Omega movements which for some reason are considered in-house for Omega. I think a more accurate story for ETA would be how they are sharing their in-house technology improvements such as SI hairsprings, to many of the Swatches brands. This story may be a bit more complex to tell, but it may better reflect reality, rather than the old third party movement story.

[@Vv20vV]

So that would mean any off brand watches equipped with ETAs would be collectible? 🤔

[@victorbgdream8328]

What most brands are calling in-house movement I strongly believe its rather a reference to in-house movement design and not the manufacturing the movement per se, which makes sense to me.

[@MyLifeInTheDesert]

@@victorbgdream8328 i don’t think that’s a consistent explanation or definition of an in house movement though

[@truebluemiata]

Solid work Teddy, with one glaring omission: Seagull. The ST 19 is popping up a lot lately, and for good reason. It is a manual wind column wheel chronograph based on a classic Venus design. As for modular chronographs I find them inferior to integrated designs, the pushers being harsh. They're thick too.

[@Alex-zr4yl]

Thanks. One of your best videos along with the one on Springdrive

[@bigwilliearmitage]

Dude, I'm exhausted from the continuous blast of info. Great job. Although more in-house than third-party, I wanted to give a nod to movements from Orient. My newer F6N43 is +6-8 sec/day fresh from the box. It's modestly decorated and has a 50hr PR with PR indicator. The 48743 ticker in my old Flight has been bulletproof. That very basic engine has withstood years of hammering, drops, and low-level abuse with no maintenance. Orient makes tough and reliable movements under the radar of most enthusiasts. No flash, but they just take a licking and keep... well, you get the point.

[@fentiman3955]

Thankyou for coving this overlooked part of watches. I've had a hard time comparing movements in microbrands and affordable watches, and thus cleared a lot of it up for me.

[@KubaskaNorthcraft]

Outstanding video.I have to go with the MAMACOO, especially with that green dial as my favorite

[@tri7661]

Teddy dropping knowledge and lookin’ sharp. Man’s dangerous!

[@ShalisaDume]

Great video, very accurate analysis. In my 4.5 years in the game as a watch collector and enthusiast, I collected a lot from amzwatch I was thinking I was able to get a blue SD but I'm not vip enough, but I'm not giving up. Hehe. Great video.

[@13Hangfire]

The regulated Miyota movements in my Traska, Summiteer and Freediver are incredibly accurate.

[@thisispw]

My Freediver and Commuter too.

[@Mister_Phafanapolis]

Traska Commuter rules

[@Stigismo]

easly cosc standards without pumping up the price

[@13Hangfire]

@@thisispw I love the Commuter... it reminds me of the Rolex, Date Just I used to own!

[@13Hangfire]

@@Mister_Phafanapolis Agreed!

[@jessejusayan1932]

Never clicked faster than this! Great content Teddy!

[@LL3L.]

My Sector No Limits 950 from the 90s has a Valjoux movement. I remember my first Automatic watch was a Sector No Limits Golden Eagle 1500 with the same movement. When I bought a Bell&Ross I thought it wasnt working because the movement was so discreet compared to the rotor rotating and feeling the vibrations on my wrist of the Valjoux.

[@mikesey1]

My Sector 950 has the ETA 2824-2 but it's the three hand Titanium version, where yours is probably a Chronograph?

[@LL3L.]

@@mikesey1 correct the Chrono has Valjoux, the non Chrono ETA 2824-2

[@candide1772]

Great review of the various third-party movement available on the market. One thing about the Miyota movements that I have noticed is the very loud rotors when compared with Seiko, ETA, and STP movements (I only have experience with these movements). This is certainly true of the 8000 series, and is true even for the 9000 series. It brings to mind the notoriety of the noise level of Timex quartz movements. 😄 I am looking at adding a Squale Montauk to my collection soon, which would add a Sellita SW200 into it. I have also not had a great experience with the only STP movement in my collection and am not sure I would purchase another one. I am excited to see FTC's automatic movement when it gets released, and to purchase an automatic watch made in the USA and not just assembled in the USA.

[@oktc68]

I own 5 Chinese watches all with the NH35A movement, I was amazed at the accuracy, the best gains a maximum of 2 secs per day the worst 8 secs per day. So my cheap Chinese watch with the Seiko NH35A keeps time better than my best hi beat Swiss movement. I have 3 one ETA 2824-2 and 2 SW200's also run between +4 sec/day & +9 secs. Considering the price difference makes the NH35A something of a bargain (if you don't mind the bulk)

[@BrianContos]

Balanced and thorough overview with amazing photography as always. I'll probably watch this video multiple times.

[@bobbyjocowpoke1057]

I have a stainless steel Raymond Weil 300m diver, with a Sellita 200 movement, I’ve had five yrs now and it runs flawless.

[@johnlongnecker8776]

Awesome overview of the industry, it will definitely help out those of us who are new to the world of horology!

[@BrittPearceWatches]

Right?! Needed this video in the world!

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Agreed

[@LietoUthe]

Can’t beat gold polished Roman numerals that sparkle like jewels in the sunlight. Loving the sun ray dial man that pops!MAMACOO watches. What a beautiful subtle piece.

[@psmusto]

Teddy, this was a phenomenal video. I have a number of Breitlings that use these different movements and it was amazing to better understand the background and history. Thank you so much! Also, bought a couple leather bands from your site and they are amazing. Thanks so much for the excellent content.

[@patrickryan734]

This video is exactly what I was looking for to fill in the missing pieces of my watch knowledge, and the quality of the video is excellent….Much appreciated my good man. Cheers!

[@llm32514]

Why would anyone give this effort a thumbs down? Awesome video Teddy. Thank you for making it.

[@illduitmyself]

They dont like his glasses

[@helenrushful]

Its great to have this info out there. I have a LOT of watches. Ive generally found anything with an ETA movement to be reliable, serviceable (cheaply) and robust, but really good to see the 3rd-party alternatives. Thank you ! PS: a lot of comments from Chinese trolls on your comments advertising Fake/Replica watches. You should really report them/delete them.

[@DCTag]

I own seven watches that use the ETA 2824-2 movement. It’s a true workhorse. Some of my pieces include the Tudor BlackBay 79220b Breitling Superocean 42 Tissot PR100 COSC Powermatic 80 Tag Heuer Aquaracer with the Calibre 5

[@michaelriera6277]

I several ETA based watches and have never been let down. Great movements.

[@JohnBuckmaster-sw3wm]

Again...you have made yet another video that I have watched multiple times, and used a reference....thanks Teddy! Love the channel...I am 20 years your senior, yet you have taught me a lot!

[@factoraedgerton]

I just got into watch collecting. I've loved watches since I was young but I never had anyone teach me or bring deeper into the world. amzwatch brought closer to a community and hobby I always wanted to get into more and that is incredibly meaningful to me !

[@AlessandroGenTLe]

Thanks Teddy. I think that Sea-Gull movements (clones of Unitas/Eta and so on) are really worth a mention here. Their movements (if real SeaGull) are, in my view, on pair with standard ETA ones.

[@cedarcanoe]

Agree, the ST movements are very good, certainly if you count the Sea-gull does insane quantities (the largest manufacturor of watch movements in the world)

[@neilpiper9889]

Seagull are the largest manufacturer of mechanical watch movements in the world. A mention here would be appropriate, at least an acknowledgement that they exist considering this is supposed to be a comprehensive list. Also Peacock movements.

[@joedematteo5163]

Damn, this dude has vast knowledge of everything watch. Thanks for the education Teddy.

[@Overlord277]

I've bought many Seikos and had one for 7 years before it did +3 minutes per day. Love Seiko. Just bought a Citizen automatic. Guys, I love them both.

[@andrewtraynor]

Hi Teddy. Very interesting watch. Could you expand on this video to discuss the typical costs of servicing of in-house vs. third party movements, along with recommended service intervals? I’ve often wondered what the cost of a service would be for a chronometer-certified third party movement vs a chronometer movement from Rolex/Omega for example.this would definitely impact my next purchase.

[@leightonsullivan3552]

Completely overlooked the service every 7-10 years for every automatic movement. It costs a lot, £200-1000+ depending on requirements, Nh35 is £30 to replace and is very reliable.

[@StarfishQQ]

Was hoping you'd mentioned Tianjin Seagull, probably the largest manufacturer of mechanical watch movements.

[@donquique1]

Chinese junk. Nobody cares.

[@bronx_xu2653]

@@donquique1 Elitist much? Like Miyota, they make anything from low-cost $50 stuff to really high end thousand dollar stuff like tourbillons. If anything be glad that beginning enthusiasts can afford a mechanical watch, instead of spending hundreds on a Swiss movement right off the bat. Just like Japan (who used to make "junk" before the 80s), as well as Korea (no one in America had even heard of any Korean companies like Hyundai or Samsung before the late 90s), China has industrialized extremely fast in the past half century.

[@Raminagrobisfr]

Some more : * In japan, Epson, which is actually the same as orient. Epson movement are unbranded versions of Orient movements. * In Switzerland, eterna-movement. Those are in-house movements used in eterna watches , made available for third parties. * In China Tianjin seagull makes good pieces. Especially, their ST19 in by far the cheapest column-wheel mechanical chronograph movement on the market. * In China too, Huangzou, makes good stuff including micro rotor movements. Also, some watch brands occasionnally uses NOS movements from defunct manufacturers, like France Ebauches.

[@elgatto3133]

Nothing about Sea-Gull? Or HK Precision?

[@davidc5191]

I've read Seagull is the largest manufacturer of mechanical movements in the world. And they actually use Swiss technology, based on an old Venus movement manufacturer they bought in the 50s which they now use to make column wheel chronographs and tourbillons.

[@johnmuthan286]

@@davidc5191 they also have the st2130, like HK precision with their pt5000, both are clone of the ETA 2824-2, and compete with the sw200

[@fendushi]

I have about 8 Seikos and only one of them can be regulated to an acceptable tolerance in multiple positions. The rest will vary about 15 - 30 seconds per day between crown up and face up etc. I have over 20 with ETA or Swiss made movements and all of them are under 5 seconds per day consistently in multiple positions. Even the non Chronometer rated ones.

[@mattstakeontheancients7594]

Love the miyota 9s series. Have a couple of thin watches and works great for the money. It’s hi-beat and usually cheaper than it’s Swiss counter part.

[@oktc68]

I have several NH35A movements, I've regulated most of them myself and they're all bar one within COSC -4/+6 secs per day. Others in Chinese micro brands were within COSC tolerance out of the box and have remained so. On the whole an excellent starting point if their thickness isn't an issue for you. ETA 2824-2/SW200 are my preferred movements, dead easy to regulate yourself, very consistent and a slightly smoother seconds hand sweep (4Hz) Avoid handwinding these!

[@LIONTAMER3D]

They both fixed that lol, you're not going to strip gear teeth anymore

[@markbrooks7257]

LOVE this content. I’m analytical by nature, skeptical in practice, and a DIY type person. This helped me start researching the cost associated with each of the main components of a watch. Hopefully I can get to the point where I can make truly custom pieces for myself in the near future. Understanding just how far that ETA 2824 family tree reaches has me intrigued on some potential builds.

[@davidsmajda6021]

Nice jacket, I bought my Taylor Stitch one about a yr. Ago. I'd like to see u do a deep dive into the old Omega pie pan style watch, pro's n cons plus where to acquire the best of the movements. Great content and enjoy your style and delivery!

[@Javi_C]

3rd part movements doesn’t always mean it’s a bad watch. A great example is Kurono a watch by Hajime Asaoka that uses a Miyota movement. Phenomenal piece!

[@Mister_Phafanapolis]

That is a very obscure reference.

[@Hrethgir]

I'm wearing my Longines Grande Vitesse right now, with the Valjoux 7750. Never noticed the rotor wobble. Just gave my arm a couple good twists and stopped, and yup, there's the rotor wobble! Don't know how I never noticed it before. I'll just call it an automatic wrist massager.

[@ssnoc]

New subscriber really enjoying your content - especially your episodes with Mr. O’Leary

[@wendyglasgow6394]

Gosh, what detail . My Favre-leuba has ticked for 40yrs, no idea what is in it. Still love it. Thank you for this insight.

[@jeovasanctus]

Surprised to find that most movements are very slim. But why are the watches so thick, like over 10mm :(

[@NATObait]

I bought an Oris Big Crown Pointer watch some years ago as I think it has a classic look. On the dial it has 25 Jewels Automatic. But inside the watch viewed through the exhibition glass you can see it is fitted with a 26 jeweled Sellita ! This isn't a one off as ORIS used the last of the dials but swapped movement manufacturer. The pendulum is Red on the Sellita movement. Naughty ORIS.

[@lashlarue7924]

Dear Ted, I know you said this one was hard to put together, but I think many of us think very highly of all the work you have done here to synthesize a very complex, obscure body of information into a coheret, concise, authoritative package. Thank you for demystifying this topic for the general public. I think you have just about done the equivalent of a Masters Thesis in watch calibers here. Much respect. - LL

[@adamf8335]

Thank you was enough....

[@Nikioko]

Sellita is a rebuild of ETA and therefore basically the same. And since ETA stopped supplying manufacturers that do not belong to the Swatch Group, these switched to Sellita instead.

[@adam_ncl]

Very interesting video, Teddy. Appreciate the work that must have gone into researching all of those movements. I’ve always thought 3rd party movements make a lot of sense, especially from a price and servicing standpoint. Great work 👏🏻

[@rumatadestora]

I have Corgeut 3021 with Miyota 8215 (+7 seconds a day) and I&W Carnival 506G with Miyota 8205 (+4 sec a day), and a Steeldive Tuna with Seiko NH35 (+3 sec a day). If regulated properly even those basic movements can be great

[@abhishekmukherjee4857]

Wow this is way beyond KZbin standards. Really high quality info. Thanks man for sharing this.

[@tsujimasen]

In my collection, I have a Seiko NH36A powered watch that I bought new for $51 US, and a Miyota 9015 powered watch that I bought new for $114 US. The few hundred in price difference between my watches and the watches mentioned in this video is all going to labor to assemble and finish the watch, in addition to brand markup. I'm more interested in the calibres and the look of the watch rather than the brand, so I'm going to enjoy saving a few bucks by not buying Swiss-made if they use the same movements that I have.

[@futurefanboy2022]

Am I the only one that noticed the pun "in the vast majority of cases", or was that intended?

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

Unintentional 😂

[@ShaneLindie]

Haha you and I both!

[@johnzimmerman1819]

Super informative - learned something new today!

[@diefenbachfravert]

I like the watch I got from MAMACOO. That rubber strap combo looks really cool! Been wearing it since last year and love every minute of it.

[@rimas.kalpokas]

Great vid, a lot of work went into providing such a comprehensive list of movements, what they offer and how they differ. However some microbrands have started to utilize Chinese movements as well, especially the PT5000, which, as an ETA 2824 clone, should be on this list, IMHO :)

[@sundog1973]

He mentioned at the beginning he would not be able to get into every manufacturer due to the sheer numbers. There have to be dozens of clone movement makers in China, let alone in the rest of the world.

[@georgemacheel2039]

I recently bought the Citizen dive watch with the Miyota 8000 series movement on the advice of enthusiasts who say that it is uncannily accurate for a $300 watch. Mine has lost two minutes over two months. I would also like to report that I was able to get my ETA 2824 movements serviced recently for $75. That is a powerful argument for buying watches with ETA (and imitator) movements.

[@whatsguccivespucci4379]

Youre killing it!

[@jobuckley2999]

I bought a Maen Skymaster 38 and it has the ETA2894-2 movement. After two weeks on the wrist the time to the minute is perfect. The watch is a beauty too.