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Currently, Church of England members of the clergy are not permitted to carry out same-sex marriages, whilst homosexual Anglicans are required to remain celibate. In recent years, however, the Church of Wales, the Scottish Episcopal Church, and, most recently, the Methodist Church, have all embraced marriage equality. In February 2023, the General Synod met to discuss the issue, raising the question across the Anglican Communion and Christendom: should Christianity extend the sacraments to same same-sex marriages?
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[@Jaaammmbbbooo]

Isolated text. Isolated text. So he is twisting scripture to suit his ideology? A Christian believes everything in the bible and he calls himself a bishop??

[@ifunanya24]

Wow! We are in End Times. This so-called Reverend is deceiving people and himself. He is a false teacher. Who is he asking “why not”? ….he should direct that question to God.

[@pinguy2334]

End times?

[@J_a_s_o_n]

2 Peter 2:1 NKJV - But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.

[@Odo-so8pj]

​​@@pinguy2334 The whole of this age is end times but Rome is gathering it's children. The bible. Said the end will be like the days of noah and of lot. Lot lived in Sodom and Glamorah.

[@pinguy2334]

@@Odo-so8pj Glad I dont believe that killer god stuff.

[@Odo-so8pj]

@@pinguy2334 Thats your problem to be fair Pin. I'm not here to talk you around. I'm giving you and others the info they need. That's my job done.

[@BANKO007]

He seems to be struggling to find any scriptural basis.

[@pinguy2334]

Best not to take the Bible iterally.

[@Steve_the_Lion]

@@pinguy2334 Why not?

[@pinguy2334]

@@Steve_the_Lion It says to kill

[@Steve_the_Lion]

@@pinguy2334 Where in the new testament are Christians commanded to kill?

[@pinguy2334]

@@Steve_the_Lion Old testament which I see Christians use all the time.

[@bonajab]

A new church is born. Loosely based on the bible and subject to evolving cultural values.

[@J_a_s_o_n]

Church of satan

[@rusokana3642]

Ok but isn’t that how the new testament was made from the Old Testament, or are you really going out there murdering people.

[@anthonycostello3457]

Look, there is no biblical exegesis you can do that would allow for same-sex marriage. Richard B. Hays has essentially demonstrated this in his book "The Moral Vision of the New Testament." Sorry, the more honest position is to simply reject the Bible, so as to embrace same-sex marriage. If you do that, you may as well reject the biblical teachings (to includes Jesus') that are also otherwise uncomfortable to the culture.

[@emilianosintarias7337]

because there is no exegesis you can do at all. it is full of contradictions, fictions, mistakes, a couple forgeries. There's no making a coherent teaching out of it with taking tons of liberties and interpretations

[@DrownedinDesigner]

@@emilianosintarias7337 you’re simply wrong.

[@dropdmacrossaint4039]

​@@emilianosintarias7337 you are simply correct 😉

[@dropdmacrossaint4039]

So black and white with all these comments. The colour gray does exist. People support this movement use the bible and their own reason. They try to balance both. The people against all have the same argument and that is that the bible should have main authority not reason. I disagree. The bible does not speak for itself. There is no foundation. It's all interpretation. Reasoning and scripture go hand in hand. Otherwise we might as well never grow and be no different then any other religion.

[@UnashamedlyGodSquad]

Putting the SIN back into Synod

[@__seeker__]

Ha!

[@Brenda-ny1gw]

Amen!

[@hprincessbride5277]

“I thought then, and I still think now” is the very reason we need God because HE says the heart is wicked and rebellious. Why should God’s Word bend to suit our flesh? In reality, we have the FREE WILL to do whatever our heart desires! Just be certain, in the day you face Him, which can be at any moment…you will have to give an account for your lifestyle! Hebrews 4:13. Have it your way. Until you stand before a Holy God; go ahead and live it up…right into the “Lake of Fire!” 😢😢😢🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽And this man will be held to a higher standard misleading many! Please pray for his soul…🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@hermawanaan5684]

Who is this priest ? unbelievable.

[@desydukuk291]

Marriage between a man and a woman was instituted by God with Adam and Eve. Genesis 2:24 states: “Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh.” In Matthew 19:4-5, Jesus reaffirms this: “He answered, ‘Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one’?” So what has this person got to do with faith, but much ado about politics.

[@pinguy2334]

Gay marriage is cool as well.

[@GAILandROD]

Exactly.

[@J_a_s_o_n]

2 Peter 2:1 NKJV - But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.

[@J_a_s_o_n]

​@@pinguy2334 satan agrees

[@pinguy2334]

@@J_a_s_o_n So Satan is good you think?

[@leecogdell652]

The reason why marriage is between a man and a woman is because Christ Jesus is the Bridegroom and the Church is his Bridesmaid so marriage is between a man and a woman period!

[@derrickdinwiddie8759]

Talk about a butchering of the scripture... this guy is clearly walking around the passages that explicitly state that homosexuality is a sin and should he treated as such. He also clearly did not want to be challenged on this and was terrible dismissive of anyone trying to challenge him.

[@snowdog9954]

He would do well to listen to C Robinson's speech. "Choose love, choose life" this man blithely states. I think his priorities are wrong, he confuses church and society, secular and spiritual. He speaks with all the right intonations but the words are wrong. A veneer Bishop

[@colinmeehan791]

Exactly

[@joshuadenniskrah5901]

Totally agree with you!

[@DrMarvel562]

It sounds nice to allow inclusivity into the church, but it's Pandora's box.

[@EvilZ2009]

You are right on that however that being said. If you wish to be married by the church then you should follow it's rules. If we allow same sex marriage then that is simply one point being lenient and not the rest.

[@DrMarvel562]

@@EvilZ2009 To most Christians, it's a major point being lenient and it won't even end there. As in, Christians will start questioning if they've been living a lie or the new order is the lie. Either option doesn't sound good for followers of a faith based religion.

[@EvilZ2009]

@@DrMarvel562 i see your point,to be honest I don't really believe in same sex marriage in the Catholic church considering it's trying to, as you said ply a board that is held tightly through centuries of tradition.... Then again I never got married in church because I know I am not a very strong believer and so I preferred a civil wedding.

[@UnashamedlyGodSquad]

Christianity is an exclusivistic religion

[@J_a_s_o_n]

​@@EvilZ2009 the church is for the weak to grow strong

[@Tokwevillage]

Who ordained this homosexuality lover?

[@REDCAP32X]

By definition a Christian is a follower of Christ these Bishop's are not following him, you aren't listening to Christians.

[@joshuadenniskrah5901]

He seems to have a likeable personality but I believe he's far from what the Bible says concerning sexuality and marriage. The world is eating the church up and we're not surprised, because the Bible tells us of days like these. And as much as we'd like to hope that people come to the light of the true doctrine on this topic, we must strive to keep ourselves unblemished from any other sin/unrighteousness before the day of the Lord. Because, as for the world, it will wax worse and worse, but blessed is the one who occupies till He comes! Lord, please open our eyes to see your Wisdom in Jesus' name. 🙏

[@RiverJamir77]

Loving doesn't mean condoning Sin. The same Loving God also talks of eternal fire in Hell for those not saved.

[@juantuan5941]

I love it when he cherry picks scriptures. It's sinful. Yet he condones it. How can you live a Christian life, and be a homosexual?? That man really needs to do some soul searching. He says he's straight. 🤔 Also, if the church allows homosexual marriage, does it allow trans people marrying? Pedophiles?

[@user-ri3hn5iz1r]

Proposition as sweet and nice as C.S Lewis's N.I.C.E. from "That Hideous Strength".

[@hexahexametermeter]

Haha! Good one! His version of life (L.I.F.E.) = live ignorant for ever

[@dixboncan6191]

an appeal to emotion not objective moral standards

[@cuteface88]

If you want to be Christian and you think you can change it then you think you're more powerful than God? Really? You think you know better than Him?

[@adamrios3141]

Leviticus 18:22 and the lord spoke to Moses saying you shall not lay with a male as if it was a woman for it is an abomination draw the line

[@byronblakemay]

“What if it’s not your choice….” Oh boy. What a simple and naive solution. Do what you choose; what you want in life in order to feel happy and LIVE on earth as it is in….not so fast! Not my will but Thy will, Lord.

[@EmmanuelTTumis]

All those who argue for gay marriage don't always use scriptures but use human logic

[@georgewagner7787]

Weak empathy.

[@georgewagner7787]

I can't even watch.

[@pngpacific2023]

Obviously, this so called reverend has not read no understood Genesis 19 relating to sodom and Gomorrah. Gen 19:5 is the last straw to which the angels of God struck the men with blindness, proceeded to bring Lot and his family to safety before the Lord hailed down fire from heaven. The Lord's conversation with Abraham in Genesis 18 tells us why the Lord was on his way to Sodom and Gomorrah. This false bishop has been struck blind, and is now on his way to be demolished by the rain of fire...

[@CesarScur]

Someone said that the first bishop looked like a demon. What is more demonic? The one that is clearly a demon or the one that is soft spoken yet blasphemes all the same?

[@piretkivi3218]

It is unethical and cruel to cite those historical figures (e.g. Shakespeare) who wouldn't have supported your argument. Let's imagine a future debate where some people support drinking human blood. Should they cite the current speaker in a poetic way?

[@RuNZiT1]

Irrelevant to this argument, but what’s the purpose of the guy in the middle? Just write down points from both sides I’m curious

[@krb7694]

So how did they vote?

[@Audrey15156]

One can’t turn the word of God to please one’s wants. The Bible is straight forward, You can’t add or remove what you want just because you don’t like it. God is a being we don’t speak carelessly of. I don’t believe in giving law authority to step into religion because what does man know ( man makes law) How can a man ignore and claim to rewrite what we call the “gospel of the lord”. Who is man to decide that. As human beings we have no power, I will say this as a fact we can’t bring the dead back to life, cure illness etc without the help of science. We use resources , elements that has been on earth before us to cure or make a heart beat again. We are nothing but beings who wish to do everything but, honestly we can’t because we are not God. We don’t even know what is going to happen the next hour or tomorrow. We can predict but we still don’t know. So to humans out there you can dream, you can love, you can do everything humanly possible but what you can’t do is rewrite nature or control it. You simply can’t play God or be God.

[@bobo0612]

Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’ ”(Matthew13:30 NIV)

[@Josdamale]

So if I follow this argument, it is: God is Life, Love, and Mercy, and therefore homosexual marriage exists and is blessed by God. What was not explained is if there are any forms of erotic love that are sin, and why they would be sin if they are erotic love. Doesn't "love" justify any and all erotic love? There is the indication in this argument that erotic love outside of marriage would be sin. Why? If erotic love is a union of persons or creatures together, are there any forms of erotic love that can't be blessed as a union and called marriage, and why? Maybe a definition of sin would also be necessary, and then the connection between sin and life, love and mercy.

[@darlingjesus5805]

I don't even understand his argument. Where are the scriptures

[@seven7sevenize]

Our natural instincts are to sin, it does not however mean this makes it okey.

[@kipling1957]

Such a shallow understanding of what “life” and “love” means in Christian theology.

[@gollymissholly8791]

Life more abundantly is life in which you aren't eternally locked in prison by your accuser in death!! Jesus speaks upon this in the gospels. And Jesus himself also speaks this all throughout the Old Testament through the prophets. This supposed bishop doesn't understand our adversary and the day that we are going to face!

[@samt7785]

It is not good for a man to be alone, then the solution, I will make him a helper suitable for him A WOMAN. Only God can describe what is good. We humans are usually driven by Sinful thoughts which leads to destruction. It may seem ok or feels good, but it seems ok and feels good to the twisted mind, not to the Right mind of God. I trust God's mind rather than mine.

[@FoolOfGnostalgiacism]

"Love" I don't think you are using that word correctly.

[@hetty7891]

May the Lord forgive him for doesn’t know what he is saying.

[@paulagrant1073]

The gospel according to man. Instead of we are made in God's image, man is trying to make God in his image.

[@The_New_IKB]

Do not presume to know better that the Lord!

[@terryrobbins4224]

Raving bonkers, if he thinks he is talking God's truth then may God have mercy on him, I've done wrong stuff and the Lord has showed me my error O Lord I ask you to lead this man into all truth Amen .

[@nhatlienhoan]

Then one day, they feel themselves as horses and would love to be considered "horsexual". And if those who opposed this is patriarchy and oppressive and as a result, everyone should be loving and accept it and one day "grasshopsexual", "catuasexual", "doggosexual" "polygamy", "pedophile" and more to come to become a norm. Imagine that world, where there's no rule just because someone say love is love and therefore if you love me, you should allow me to do whatever I want just because of love.

[@chrisdeep8417]

There can be no true love (agape) without sacrifice. A man with another man or woman with woman is just easy, no sacrifice, no possibility of having your own children, no arguments, etc... Just too easy. Man with woman now there's a minefield of self sacrifice, even just staying together, now throw a child into the mix and the self sacrifice meter nearly pops it's lid. This is of course an anecdote, homosexual marriage is a grave sin and is really the devil's sacrament. It is a clear warning of a degenerative culture. It has far reaching consequences for any society that falls into its trap. (By the way you forget sheep.)

[@giftqueen5019]

Is this truly a Christian man of God and bishop or the son of perdition the Bible talks about? We must guard our faith diligently against wolf in sheep's clothing in the church

[@TheKize07]

A man of God, and presumably one well versed in the Bible, is standing up against the Bible

[@kennethlalo411]

Looks like he quoted only 1 Bible text and the rest of his argument is based on opinions. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@kennethlalo411]

Even the text he quoted is open for interpretation. Clearly shows that same sex marriage has no place in Christianity. ✋🏼

[@steventorman3993]

He clearly did not go through an exegesis class

[@wugy07]

We are living through the reformation period. Crazy to think it's happening again.

[@kevinsullivan7831]

More like the deformation period

[@keith5405]

He didn't actually give one solid point

[@J_a_s_o_n]

2 Peter 2:1 NKJV - But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.

[@Mumima100]

He quoted ' It's not good for man to be alone'.... So God gave Adam a woman! Not another man! God is merciful, but God is also holy and just.

[@rusokana3642]

@@Mumima100 yeah and look how that turned out. Eve ate the apple ,seduced and gaveit to Adam. If anything, another man would have been a better idea.

[@jasonwigand3112]

His argument: "It isn't fair."

[@UnashamedlyGodSquad]

It's not fair that I can't have a harem like King Solomon. Guess what? I can still go to heaven

[@GonzaReformado]

@@UnashamedlyGodSquad It was actually wrong that king Solomon had a harem. It is recorded that his promiscuity clouded his judgment and Israel paid the consequences.

[@UnashamedlyGodSquad]

@@GonzaReformado Thanks for clarifying

[@ungas024]

​@@UnashamedlyGodSquad he paid for it, while he cried to God for forgiveness in his death bed but God is just and he got what he deserve his kingdom was split in to two after his death.

[@mateichis9461]

@Chad Terly Isaiah 58:6 “Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen: to loose the chains of injustice and untie the cords of the yoke, to set the oppressed free and break every yoke?" I don't think that Bible is encouraging slavery based on that, and about wearing more than one fabric that's the old covenant,we as christians live in the new covenant jeremiah 31:33(prophecy in the old testament of the new covenant) matthew 26:28 and john 13:34(mentions of the new covenant) and that means its no problem to wear more than one fabric:) ,and considering those I don't think christianity has bad moral atributes at all which for me it is logic to be a christian and that's not all there are a lot of explications for those questions and apparent problems , you can't just condemn that you have to be dumb to be a christian without doing some research before.Much peace!!

[@johnrowland9570]

'LIFE' in John's gospel refers to eternal life not as the bishop implied. He will answer for his careless words on the day of judgment.

[@FloydKnight-z1d]

This so-call Bishop knows that anyone all homosexuals and lesbians etc. are condemned just as the flesh is condemned. Because the carnal mind is an enmity against God, for it is not subject to law of God, neither indeed can it be, according to his holy word. For to be carnally minded is death,: but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.. according to his holy word, amen. Romans 8: 6,7 " When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel prohet, stand in the holy place (whosoever readeth let him understand). Mat. 24: 15. This deciever, false prophet Catholic Bishop is no Christian The holy word of God tells us; have no fellowship with the unfruitful works darkness, but rather rebuke them. He has no shame. Standing in public on national tv supporting and arguing for same-sex marriage. This is so disgusting and so very wrong.

[@askag11]

Why not allow this and that if it makes one happy? ..asked the devil.

[@aseeker2109]

The Bishop quoted the following text of the Gospel of St John out of context, 'Jesus came so we may have life in all its fullness'. Jesus was referring to eternal life. The Bishop seems not to understand the meaning of scripture and is leading people to eternal damnation.

[@surferatapollobay1341]

He is the same as the text the used for their report llf. 1 jn 4:11..if that is the exegesis of a bishop..what else would you expect

[@juantuan5941]

No, he was intentionally cherry picking because he has an agenda. Just from his speech, he says he is straight, but I think he's a closet homosexual

[@hexahexametermeter]

The guy in the funny collar has no idea what the definition of abundant life is.

[@juantuan5941]

@@hexahexametermeter But you do, I'm sure. 🙄

[@chrisdeep8417]

Starting to question whether he cheated on his exams as a novice.

[@ekuachrist]

If wishes were horses... How can bishops be so wrong and try so hard to twist scriptures? Lord have mercy 🙌🏾

[@joellaz9836]

@@chadterly9842 Homosexuality is still condemned in the New Testament. As for slavery, you have it wrong *In the New Testament, the reality that slavery existed is accepted, but the practice is never affirmed or encouraged. The New Testament authors also strongly challenge the way slavery was understood and practiced in their time. For example, human trafficking is condemned (1 Timothy 1:10), masters are commanded to treat the their slaves well and are reminded that before God they and their slaves are equals (Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), and, where possible, the freeing of slaves is encouraged (1 Corinthians 7:21; Philemon 16). Through these condemnations, commands and encouragements, the New Testament strongly communicates that fact that slavery is not what God wants.* *In this way, the Bible radically challenges the concept of slavery and the way it was practised and sows the seeds that later flowered into abolition. It should therefore not be surprising that throughout church history, many Christians (though sadly not all) have expressed concerns about slavery. There have always been some small shoots from the seeds sown in the Bible, even if they didn’t come into full bloom until recent centuries in many parts of the world.* *When we turn to the topic of sexuality, however, we find no seeds of change. The Bible consistently teaches that sex is reserved for one-man, one-woman marriages and that same-sex sexual relationships are not acceptable to God. The New Testament affirms this and even strengthens the prohibitions of the Old Testament (e.g. Matthew 5:27-28; 19:7-9).* *We also find that, unlike in the case of slavery, where there were diverse views in the Church from its earliest centuries, the Church has been unanimous and consistent in its view that sex and marriage are reserved for opposite-sex couples. The Bible contains no seeds for change on this position and church history shows no evidence of shoots emerging from such seeds.*

[@shakur07]

​@Chad Terly They just read what they want in that book

[@whitebeans7292]

@@chadterly9842 Short answer: certain Old Testament laws were ceremonial, simply to set the Jewish nation apart from other nations. Another example of this would be the ban on pork, which God specifically tells the apostle Peter is no longer applicable, or circumcision. Other laws were about morality, like "thou shalt not steal" or "thou shalt not covet thine neighbor's wife." The ban on homosexuality is a moral law. Secondly, a lot of the laws in the Old Testament, such as on divorce or slavery, were intentionally permissive, giving a bottom for permissiveness, not a ceiling for holiness (also, slaves were regularly released every 50 years on the Jubilee year, in an attempt to remove generational slavery). Jesus addresses this point specifically when He says: "It was because of your hardness of heart that Moses allowed you to divorce your wives. But from the beginning it was not this way." Jesus gives us a high standard to aim at (be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect), so obviously not everything allowed before is ok now.

[@chriscombat4617]

@Chad Terly Remember, when it comes to sin, Christianity has one crucial principal: Hate the sin, not the sinner! You make a lot of presumptions which shows a mirror of yourself. Don't conclude everything as hate, it's shallow. The other reason why Church don't agree with gay marriage is that if you don't believe in God but still want to marry as gay then you don't need to marry in a church, but if you believe in God and want to marry as Christian then you can pray to God to change you so you can experience the calling of marriage as written in Genesis 2:24, “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.”

[@paulmccauley871]

Irrespective of the sin element which I will not go into. Consider this...Homosexuality is a biological anomoly and if relied on as a whole the human race would be extinct. Why has God created a man and a woman? For a woman to wear a strap on prosthetic to please her partner's vagina? A vaginas anticipates a penis. Then for a man to have penetrative sex as his sexual organ requires, he must place in an excretory hole that is the anus with all its toxins. Now tell me that's all right??

[@congt9288]

I am not a practising Christian but same sex marriage is against Gods / Jesus words. You have no right to try and change that. Your choice is to give up being a leader in the church. People are not banned from same sex interaction (at least not in the Christian faith) and indeed love, but Marriage is completely different. Having someone your own sex for company and indeed to love both physically and mentally is not condemned by most in the church I would suggest. Civil marriage is as far as it should go.

[@cinnamondan4984]

Here here

[@J_a_s_o_n]

2 Peter 2:1 NKJV - But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.

[@NC-vz6ui]

The problem is God is not against it and the Bible has been manipulated to say he is out of prejudice and personal disgust by straight people.

[@cinnamondan4984]

@@NC-vz6ui That may be but there is no way to prove that.

[@NC-vz6ui]

@@cinnamondan4984 All you have to do is read the entire bible and church history. It's pretty easy to prove. This is nothing more than a personal disgust against something that people who don't experience it, don't understand it. It's really sad how brainwashed people are over this issue. Even if you believe it is a sin, Jesus came for hurt people, not to hurt people. You can not pick and choose what people you are going to be a shepard to. It is the work of the Holy Spirit to convict if it is a sin, not preachers assessing behaviors.

[@philipho5635]

I am not a Bishop, but how can I find so many misuses of Bible verses in his argument? 🤦‍♂

[@metaljuan]

The ghoulish scream at the end from the crowd says it all. This is the argument told to Jesus while trying to temp him in the desert. Have mercy on your self, save your self

[@Milo-hf9nc]

I rebuke this agent of the devil!

[@2Uahoj]

His argument is a bit absurd in a Christian context. First, Christianity is not about "equality." People born with one arm are certainly not physically equal to those born with two. Likewise persons with homosexual inclination are not equal in eligibility to marriage as heterosexuals. One might cry - unfair! But as Jesus says to his apostles," you are thinking as men think, not as God thinks."

[@Brenda-ny1gw]

Amen

[@desydukuk291]

Last week the other useful idiots argued that God was a woman. Father forgive them for they know not what they do.

[@knifedrowns8272]

Why does God have a sex?

[@adambamford956]

Gods not real though. Wouldn’t go around calling people idiots if I were you.

[@desydukuk291]

​@@adambamford956"In political jargon, a useful idiot is a term currently used to reference a person perceived as propagandizing for a cause-particularly a bad cause originating from a devious, ruthless source-without fully comprehending the cause's goals, and who is cynically being used by the cause's leaders."

[@mcbroekemeier]

They know what they are doing… this fellow for sure does…

[@pinguy2334]

There is no god period.

[@neilmrichardson1]

POI: ‘Denied, you’ve had your chance’. Point of Order: This is not how points of information work.

[@jamesa4829]

He kept trying to convince the audience / himself that he's "heterosexual". I don't belive a word of it. He's an apostate, pure and simple. Leave the church and create your own. Don't preach lies.

[@sivuyilejonas]

Ladies and Gentlemen. Here are 7 simple points as to why the church cannot support same-sex marriage: 1. God is the author of marriage, not humanity. Therefore, Humanity doesn’t have the right or authority to define marriage. Genesis 2 teaches us that when God saw that Adam was alone, he didn’t build Adam a brother or another Adam. He built Adam a woman. A Christian woman is designed by God to fulfil 3 purposes: 1. Procreation. God commanded the man to “be fruitful and multiply. (Genesis 1), Adam cannot fulfil this command with a man. Same sex couples cannot produce children. A man needs a woman for this. 2. Illustration. A marriage is suppose to reflect what God’s design for what a family is. “Therefore a man shall leave his mother and father and be joined to his wife and they shall become one flesh”. When God look at what a family is, he sees a man and woman joined together, nothing else. 3. Sanctification. a Christian marriage is suppose to reflect Jesus’s relationship with the church. They are one body. Just as a man and a woman married together are one flesh, one body. 2. Jesus himself is against homosexuality. Why? Because of the Holy Trinity, Jesus is God. Jesus was there when Sodom and Gomorrah was being destroyed for rape, homosexuality, and other wickedness. Jesus is the author of Leviticus, a book which contains the laws given to Israel, which condemns same sex sexual activities as an abomination. You cannot separate Jesus from the God the father and God the Holy Spirit. Jesus himself said “I have not come to destroy the law but to fulfil it”. 3. There are three types of laws in the bible. The moral law (summaries as the Ten Commandments), the Civil law (laws given to the nation of Israel, and ceremonial law (laws given on how to worship the True God rightly). Homosexuality being a sin is a moral law. This means that it is a law that needs to be preserved for all time, just like how murder and stealing are moral laws. Moral law transcends time and culture. We are all, believer and non-believer, sinner and non-sinner, are responsible to the moral law. 4. Homosexuality is a dangerous sin to commit. It is the only sin in the bible that God calls “an abomination” and in the Book of Romans, it is the one of the few sins where God says “there is a penalty in the flesh” if you commit this sin. This is why the LGBT community has the highest rates of Sexual diseases, high suicide rates, and various mental health issues. This is a judgement from God. This sin cannot be taken lightly. 5. The bible view on “Love” and the world’s view on “Love” are completely different. The bible doesn’t teach you to “follow your heart”, in fact, the bible teaches the opposite. In the book of Jeremiah, God says that “the heart is wicked and deceitful amongst all things, who can know it.” Since God is all loving, he defines what love is. God defines love in the Ten Commandments. We are called to love God first and then love others. This means that obeying God is a Christian’s first and top priority. Even Jesus himself, after saving a woman from persecution in the Book of Matthew, told the woman to “SIN NO MORE”. As a Christian, I cannot love you and see you embracing an act which is against God and will lead you to hell. 6. Finally, the bible is not outdated, because God is not outdated. God is an all powerful being who exists out of time. Do you really believe that such a God would give us a holy book that needs to be updated and complement to the modern culture? Absolutely not. The bible, in the book of Timothy, makes it clear that it is “a complete book, fit to equip a man for all good works”. 7. Since that fall of Adam in Genesis 3, we are all Sinners. This means we are all bent towards ourselves and not towards God. The book of Psalms echoes this point: “there is nobody, not one, that seeks for God”. We are all wretched sinners and everyone deserves to go to hell. God, through his love for us, sent his son to take all of our sins and die the death we should have done. We are saved through Jesus Christ my brothers and sisters. Therefore, Jesus himself said that if we truly loved him “we would keep his commandments”. This means that as Christians, we are ultimately called to OBEDIENCE, not just love. Love is a part of the nature of a Christian, it is not the be all and end all of what a Christian is. We must obey first, then love second. God himself in the book of Jeremiah, chapter 3 calls us to return to him, not to Love others harder. Brothers and Sisters, from the book of Genesis, to the book of Leviticus, and the Book of Romans, it is clear that Homosexuality is not to be supported, embraced, celebrated, and accepted. Remember that our Goal is be like Christ, not like the world. We cannot adopt what the world wants, only what God wants, which is obedience, repentance, and a complete hatred of sin, not the sinner. If the church becomes like the world and thinks like the world, then we are mocking the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and disgracing the Gospel of Christ which saved us. Non-believers do not have the right to tell us what love is, because God has already done that.

[@pinguy2334]

So glad I dont support any church.

[@michaelbroderick527]

Spot on... GOD BLESS.

[@tiffannyranger8134]

Thank you for this long passage! I am a new believer, and am trying to learn more about the Bible. Thanks for the help!

[@giftifekadu7796]

Thank you Be blessed! Go with the truth! Am amazed

[@kathleennolan5089]

Is there a way to copy or save your comment?

[@felipeneves9571]

This is why people shouldn't interpret the Bible on their own.

[@dod6031]

This ‘bishop’ is reading his own views into the text. His views are not founded upon biblical truth but through his own worldly experiences that he then tries to find an exception for in the Bible so he doesn’t have to quit his day job as a church leader, of course he hasn’t found it so he twists the scriptures to fit his own world view. The Apostle Paul warned of this in his first letter to Timothy and in his letter to the Romans.

[@tyshekka]

What are we then to do about other relations besides homosexual for which some people burn? Do we allow homosexual marriage but not others because it's just more obvious why the other desires are wicked if given in to them?

[@ifunanya24]

Why are “we” allowing? Scripture is clearly against it. Unless we are saying we know better than God?!

[@dropdmacrossaint4039]

​@@ifunanya24 know one "knows" God's thoughts. Only he does. The bible is merely a interpretation of his thoughts.

[@ifunanya24]

@@dropdmacrossaint4039 the Bible is not an interpretation of God’s thoughts. What on earth are you talking about?? It has historical accounts of important events, and shows the full of humanity and how God redeems humanity through Jesus Christ. If you read the Bible and study it in context, it’s obvious.

[@dropdmacrossaint4039]

@@ifunanya24 I do read the bible. I am finishing my bachelors in Theology. And unfortunately, the bible is by no means a historical. There is no foundation. It's interpretation all the way through. Doesn't mean you shouldn't believe what you read. Just means you must be more creative in how you understand the term "truth"

[@dropdmacrossaint4039]

@@ifunanya24 it is unfortunate for people to see the bible as a history book. It is more so a book that spreads love, faith, and hope

[@tpw7250]

He really needs to do a study of the Word life in the book of John. If he did that, he'd realise what Jesus actually means in John 10:10, and has nothing to do with marriage.

[@hexahexametermeter]

All that education only to resort to proof texting. What a shame...

[@tpw7250]

@@hexahexametermeter Makes you long for the day when fishermen led the church, doesn't it?

[@jarrod2276]

"His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction." ... The crux of the issue is whether homosexual acts are sinful or not, if one fails to acknowledge that then he can easily negate ANY other sin by his 'reasoning'. Woe to this supposed Bishop.

[@TheSupaman98]

No, because other sins are clearly harmful. Like theft for example.

[@devanteboll4934]

Men who support this view in the church need a revelation of the fear of God. To believe that marriage, according to God, is anything other than a male and female covenant is to be tragically deceived.

[@cat-tanungansabuhay9574]

Sin makes our brain shrink.

[@ashissamuel8680]

As a person of a community where modernism is just a baby, i am baffled by developed countries. My forefathers converted to Christianity by missionaries and i am glad they accepted this religion whic is all about love and mercy. I am surrounded by many religions and have watched them closely. I can say all of them Christianity is the most liberal and has the most modern thoughts. My vew in this topic, i would say it's it's clearly mentioned in the Bible, Romans 1:26-27.....

[@Alex_-oc4bt]

no need to be baffled, the answer is very simple. prosperity leads to decadence which leads to moral decay. it's a cycle which every civilization goes through and ours is no exception.

[@mariussielcken]

Strong men create good times create weak men create bad times create strong men.

[@darkmoonsignal]

How about this.... the choice is about obedience to God or disobedience, not necessarily about being single/celibate or getting married.

[@katrinayakizz]

So if a gay person obeys God he/she will have to live a ceibate life.

[@Werytex42]

Yup. If Christ isn't your choice your option is eternal death.

[@matthewcollins7358]

What a crap sounding way of life. Why be obedient to someone who more than likely doesn't exist?

[@leftreadlinks]

What will u tell the Lord when standing before the Throne?

[@ianbuick8946]

"It's not fair" "Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

[@ToBeLikeChrist]

Martin Garrick needs to get born again by the Holy Spirit. Some are called by man and others by God. He needs to read the scripture about teachers/shepherds who lead Gods people away from truth. Their blood would be required of Him. Who must we obey, God or man. The bible clearly speaks against homosexuality, the act, not against the person. You need to understand marriage which is a reflection of Christ and his church. This is why the church is called a bride. This is why a man is instructed to love his wife (woman) like Christ loves the church. Martin also needs to understand the word love. Love is not some sexual act or desire. Jesus said if we love him we obey what he has said and if we are loving folks with Christ love, that love would not, WOULD NOT, push us to sin against Christ. Same sex marriage should not be in the church. Any church allowing this is in apostasy and will be judged by the hands of God for leading folks to sin against Him. We cannot mix the holy with the vile, the light and darkness.. it’s creates an abomination and hastens the judgement of God.

[@tregs4754]

He needs to repent.

[@nokuthulangwenya4161]

You want to argue based on secular thought against scripture. What a shock!!!!

[@kaluchuks6915]

When such matter about doctrine are even debated at all. It a sign that England has lost it. Were are the days of Wesley? Quoting Shakespeare (what happened to the Bible)

[@hprincessbride5277]

Jesus calls us to die to the flesh/self and to pick up cross daily and follow Him. Why do we have to gratify the flesh over following Him? Why is sex SO magnified in culture? Sexual immorality is dominating the world and in an instant we shall behold Him. Is it truly worth it to “choose a loving partner” over the One who created you and wants to spend all of eternity with you? This life is a vapor and many don’t believe HELL is real, His judgement is sure and HE absolutely cannot condone sin. 😢😢😢🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@jimmymelonseed4068]

Stop changing God’s word. Leave the faith or repent!

[@nereb100]

"I hear the devil at work" (Rev. Calvin Robinson)

[@tbeniel]

Wow! Jonh 10:10 is interpreted in an utterly bogus way! what a shame of the so-called reverends of nowadays. Where's the first part of the verse? is dissecting verses without any context for our own narrative right?

[@RiverJamir77]

The Bible defines marriage between Man and Woman. And Homosexuality and lesbianism as sin and against nature. Period . There is no compromise. Church which accepts these things are not the Church of Jesus Christ, but something else. Jesus Christ came to lead people way from sin and cleanse their sins, not to commit more sin and abomination.

[@DMC33]

Liar

[@victoriasantos5874]

He has no base to his argument. He said nothing, except misquote Paul & lie about Jesus.

[@fishoreboyz6069]

Where in scripture does it say that same sex marriage is approved of by God…….

[@danielmanta]

This Bishop is mixing Bible and his desire in this.

[@navinkv7024]

How did this guy become a bishop?

[@shilpamanoharan8381]

What a naive argument. You have twisted the scriptures. Out of Context, What did you learn in seminary.

[@dynamicchecklists127]

"Love" is the most weaponized word Satan has in his arsenal.

[@andya7012]

🐺

[@therock3942]

To get that life that Jesus spoke of, we must repent of our sins, walk away from them, and follow Jesus. If you continue in your sin then you have death not life, you are not following Christ.

[@mre7550]

Here we have "Christianity Light". There are rules, but if you don't like them we can change them, according to the latest fashion.

[@infinitegodtv]

I can't believe this man is using the holy Bible to defend lust

[@__seeker__]

The United Kingdom, like most western countries at this point, allows same-sex marriages. I really don’t know why the churches would feel a need to get involved. You don’t need a cleric to get married.

[@marleanmcsporran7835]

God love is divine and not lustful

[@deborahjabara2614]

I haven't memorized the bible, but aren't there a few times when Jesus tells sinners to repent and sin no more? He saves the prostitute and tells her her sins are forgiven; to go and sin no more, not I forgive you, go about your business and I will save you the next time your customers come round to stone you! All this support for gay marriage would be reasonable if one does not know what happens in the gay community. Up to 98% of especially male unions are rife with extra "marital" partners. And many female unions are not only non monogamous, but have a high degree of physical abuse and battery, as women are a very jealous lot. How is this conducive to marital happiness, and squared with what Jesus said about A man and A woman, abolishing the old Jewish laws that allowed a man to divorce his wife and marry another?

[@pmdempsey9742]

God id love and mercy but on his terms not ours and the only concrete guidance we have comes from the bible

[@jonl3696]

Like every other argument for same sex marriage, this Bishop’s stance holds no water, no biblical supporting verses, and illogical, it’s all about feelings. Nothing more than feelings.😂

[@Goodnews4man]

A new issue? I present for your consideration: Sodom and Gomorrah. They called evil, good. God is merciful. He is also holy. Mercy is not abomination.\ I pray the last thing you hear God say, "Denied, you had your chance." The truth: a loving, merciful, good, holy God will send people into hell. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.