Prem Shankar Jha argues that independence may not bring Kashmir democracy and freedom 6/6

[@firstperspective9131]

As a Muslim born in Kashmir, and currently studying at IIT Roorkee, India is my home. Kashmir's future is safe in the hands of India and her army.

[@safiakhan498]

Che chukha kashur kene ye wonuth tar. Me basan ye chu bel😂

[@tashfiqkhan]

Indian money smuggling bot

[@ashiqbhat6581]

🥱🥱🥱🥱

[@Stardusk380]

Okay pjeet bot

[@vaibhavkrish4619]

Difference educated one and foolish

[@wyde3439]

Asking for Kashmir to be independent from India is like asking for Texas to be independent from USA. Both will never happen unless the concept of a nation ceases.

[@abidfazli2046]

Non vegetarians is talking about vegitables this is like that' Non kashmiri is talking about kashmir.

[@KhattaMeethaOficial]

Same Like You Not Commenting on Subject and attacking Personally….

[@Subhendu_Banerjee]

Question is who is a kashmiri? Only the Muslim invaders? Or everyone who lives or used to live there, like kashmiri pandits that had to flee or the Hindus living there?

[@Kanudo1234]

Kashmiri hindus are real kashmiri and not invaders chuslim

[@anujsethi7845]

Just like kashmiri pandits not living in Kashmir

[@navneetparmar3084]

Yeah exactly oxford and english should keep their business to themselves we will deal ourselves

[@navneetsudan8600]

"Jammu Kashmir WAS, IS, and WILL CONTINUE TO BE A PART OF INDIA", roars the Vande Bharat speeding through the valley✊

[@basitshakeel511]

Kashmir was never and never will be part of India, colonial rule doesn't mean shit

[@aleinalien2771]

In your dreams

[@aleinalien2771]

Navneet

[@navneetsudan8600]

@@aleinalien2771 haha😂 should do your homework well in current affairs

[@nurulhudavijapurwala4936]

​@@basitshakeel511even the name kashmir is derived from Indian person who settled in kashmir first Rishi Kashyap, bot.

[@chandrashekharpandey5630]

I see some kashmiri making comments here as if they are living in syria, yemen, iraq or whatever and they said they feel oppressed but they will be silent on kashmiri pandits genocide. hypocrisy at its peak.

[@aatifazahoor]

Bet you don’t know the Kashmiri pandit to Kashmiri Muslim ratio when genocide happened 250 to 1000 or it’s just km blood is so cheap hypocrisy at its peak or you haven’t sister mother being massraped by army in 2 villages of kashmir infront of their families or the case of Asia neelofar or thousands of cases or our brothers in jail the torture that our people suffered bet you don’t know all this and if you know things and read books about Kashmiri’s you won’t be commenting this you can deny things always yk try searching pellet injuries and documentaries try learning about kunan pushpora

[@atharpandit7160]

@@chandrashekharpandey5630 How many Pandits were killed? Could you please give me an official figure so that I can speak about it and break my silence as a Kashmiri?

[@affanzaman6683]

​​@@atharpandit7160just 400 according to government data. And 11000 Muslims..

[@durgeshsingh5220]

​​@@affanzaman6683 remember na what what the slogan that was shouted by your father for kashmiri Pandits? Ask him and you will disown him immediately.

[@affanzaman6683]

@durgeshsingh5220 Un fortunately you have watched kashmir files. So you have lost to hear the view of other side of coin. And my father was hiding in his own house for months. Either he would have been killed by indian army or in cross firing Or by militants. ..

[@GreatestManOfWorld]

Great defence sir ,Pakistan's stance on Kashmir is nothing more than a facade to mask its failures as a nation. While India has worked to integrate Kashmir into its democratic framework and ensure development, Pakistan has reduced its part of Kashmir to a hub of terror, neglect, and repression. By funding terrorism and radicalizing the youth, Pakistan has turned the region into a war zone, proving it has no genuine concern for Kashmiris. Its obsession with Kashmir is not about the people but about its insecurities and hatred toward India. Pakistan’s narrative is hollow, hypocritical, and rooted in chaos, not care. Kashmir is and will always remain an inseparable part of India, protected by its sovereignty and progress.

[@Shah_Bilal]

India has done no good to Kashmir or Kashmiris. Kashmir has no issue being a special state or country within a country but not a union territory which will be run by the autocracy in New Delhi

[@Faqr-e-Ghayoor]

India destroyed kashmir in every aspect.

[@venkateswarluk5133]

@@Shah_Bilal If so, why Kashmir wasn't peaceful even when it had special status? Why Kashmiri Pandits were thrown out though they are natives of the state?

[@Daydreamer-763]

​@@venkateswarluk5133because pandits were too cowards. Just a warning and all of them left without caring about their motherland.

[@ComradeKMR]

What kind of joke is this? Like Pakistan is worse idea to ever exist but how does it justify Indian atrocities in Kashmir. I am a Kashmiri myself and I don't like Pakistan at all, but you are our active oppressors in Indian Side of Kashmir. In Pakistan, it happens in Gilgit Baltistan in a lighter way than India (Coz Pakistan is too hybrid to be such authoritarian).

[@Yawermusharafali]

It is a radicalised kashmiri who wants independence and freedom from india. We don't want kashmir become second Afganistan or second Pakistan.

[@AbhishekKumar-wx1rq]

Most people posting in this forum for Kashmir'a independence are Pakistanis pretending to be Kashmiris

[@MirAmir-r9o]

@@Yawermusharafali kodi hari futye maji goid

[@anonymous.3121]

Near ya lakhnav

[@user-kz4rt4md2r]

cxe gosukh gujjur asun

[@shaharslan3372]

And it's the bootlicker kashmiri people that don't want freedom 🙂. Kashmir paeth munafik.

[@SandeepKulshrestha]

It’s always good to debate. In UK scots also want independence.

[@induchopra3014]

Irish. Welsh all want independence. They dont give plebicite to Irish. They dont do referendum on monarchy. People can't debate monarchy

[@Kasheeeeeeer]

Hate to ind from kmr

[@AbhishekKumar-wx1rq]

Correct

[@therealsumitshah]

@@Kasheeeeeeer Hate kashmir from India

[@pragoyoutube]

Scotland forever

[@rainafroditybarai1398]

What have you done to the 1M Kasmiri Hindus , they are the real offspring of the land even the name kasmir came from Rishi Kashyap, the father of the the clan i belong to.

[@GREENBERG321]

What you have done to 11 millions of muslims in Kashmir world know that ... pooojeet 💩

[@shaguftanasreen-z4x]

So you tell us what Kashmiris want , listen from Kashmiris " independence from india " And the world knows it .

[@srabanbanerjee7590]

But but but....... POK citizens want union with INDIA !!! Such ironical is your statement! Surely u r not Kashmiri.

[@sajadbhat-b7l]

​@@srabanbanerjee7590oo bihari now u will tell us whether we r Kashmiri or not

[@srabanbanerjee7590]

@@sajadbhat-b7l Ooo Kashmiri u will now decide whether I am a Bihari or Bengaleee. Don't u know that people with surnames " Banerjee" are Bengalees! Many of your friends come to Kolkata and do Business of selling shawls. Kashmiris know Bengalees very well. Surely u r Pakistani

[@affanzaman6683]

​​@@srabanbanerjee7590He is a kashmiri. Can't you see his surname bhat which is actually a pandit surname😂😅..

[@razeustrander]

​@@affanzaman6683and how cruelly the Pandits of Kashmir were converted?? Raliv galiv ya tsaliv isn't it??

[@dannysingh8786]

Oxford need to broadcast to their followers On partition King of Bhawalpur acceded to Pakistan King of Kashmir joined India 10% entire sikh population was wiped out in pakistan. 63% remaining fled to india. Millions of hindus joined them. 80% Muslims who voted pakistan from india did not move to pakistan. While hindu population of pakistan in 1951 stood 18% of pakistan. Bangladesh ( E pak) population of hindus stood 33%) Today hindus are 3% of pakistan..7% of banglades. Hindus were ethnically cleansed out of kashmir in minimum of 6 waves. Bbc itv c4 sky cnn have not been given access to interview pakistani hindus & christians? Why? Nor in bangladesh.why Sikhs legally technically owned whole of pakistan punjab Recognised internationally. Why is this land not returned to royal. King ranjit singhs family sitting in patiala Oxford . Please tell world what does partition really spell

[@ComradeKMR]

Too much Historical misinformation in this comment especially about those 6 waves which were six events of Kashmir history and it was very different from what's mentioned historically. Also as a Kashmiri, I don't give a damn about two nation theory. I would like to have a secular Kashmir.

[@dannysingh8786]

@ComradeKMR misinformation? Hunzan Sikh tribe derives from upper Kashmir. Wantrag was 95% Hindu 5% Sikh until 1915 when it got invaded by foreigners. Ramgharia Tarcan Sikh tribe is 2 3rds JK origin Etc etc etc

[@dannysingh8786]

@@ComradeKMR historical gaslighting of Hindu history, hindus ethnically cleansed out of Kashmir does not in any way = " secular" Give back Hindu land for expelled Hindu Kashmiris. Full 🛑 stop.

[@Her7777]

@@ComradeKMR who all are included in that “secular “ state? And from where exactly are you going to start? Start with china first.

[@affanzaman6683]

Comment wasted. Because king was neither a kashmiri nor his ancestors were from kashmir. He was no one to decide what should happen with kashmiris..

[@Shreasvamankar3948]

I wanna see a debate on Balochistan and a debate on democracy/military rule in pakistan

[@muhammadahsan1792]

Balochistan is not a disputed territory

[@Kasheeeeeeer]

Hate to ind, from kmr

[@Artemas-m2n]

​@@muhammadahsan1792 But Balochistan people fighting for their fundamental rights!

[@alraziosmany]

@@Artemas-m2n28 states want independence from India

[@magnificent_123]

Ye Balochistan people want their freedom..... ​@@muhammadahsan1792

[@kingukash4255]

From Indian illegally occupied Kashmir. We want free kashmir

[@i_nehatiwari]

We want free pok and want to be Indian

[@RealMe-c5e7q]

Tiwari bayee ku beech mai àaraha hai up kaa hai kin Bihar

[@SarthakKumar-b3n]

Chup bey bhikhari

[@ajith887]

So as the Pakistan also

[@pakistankabap1971]

Go to my son's house, i mean bhikaristan

[@bhataajaz1732]

It's absurd to seek validation from the colonizer about what Kashmiris deserve. 🤡🤡

[@godsthesis2089]

Jyada bkcdi nhi krtey dost.

[@ajaypalvai]

We don't value what bastards think in what belongs to them😂😂😂

[@nurulhudavijapurwala4936]

India is the only country which never invaded conquered occupied or colonised it's land, India loose it's 73% of area by islamist invasion, now we have that much of power that we will not lost a single inch of our ancestral and cultural land by any of foreign invasive ideology. Bharat mata ki jai

[@grapeshott]

When even Kashmiris can become PM of India(Nehru), what is this "colonization" thing? Should all countries be reduced to city states?

[@durgeshsingh5220]

Beggars can't be choosers said a great Saint from your favourite nation pakistan.

[@Ihsan_khan00]

Reality is, as kashmiri, we are not ready to govern ourselves. Better to be governed by india than see this land surge into deep Chaos. Sectarianism, extremism what not.

[@User122-62]

Even India Was not in a State that it Could Be Governed in '47 but How they Managed ?

[@SolomonSunder]

@@User122-62 Because India had enough ethnicities that one did not dominate the other. But exactly how Ambedkar predicted, the dominant OBCs became the new ruling class and took the place of Brahmins in India. And have a look at Nepal, Sri Lanka with their civil wars. Sri Lanka has radical Buddhist despite the lack of weapons. Why do you think Kashmir will be any different or better? The Ladhakis already did not want to be part of J&K. As a South Indian, I would be glad to see Kashmir gone. We pay taxes which are poured into your region. But with the genocide committed in Kashmir, Kashmiris lost the right to have an independent state IMO.

[@induchopra3014]

Why oxford union does not debate monarchy, grooning gangs, adultery Greemland,canada,trumo,trudeau,starmer. Why kashmir? Does it concern you? Do we debate scotland in our univeesity debates?why british avoid beirish issues? Why so scared of debate on british issues?

[@r.k3261]

Jassa jagga bhaggu baggu aur kuch reh gaya kya 😂

[@shaguftanasreen-z4x]

From Kashmir to Palestine occupation is a crime

[@Sauravkumar-sj6ov]

Pakistan and bangladesh land are hindu land first empty the land

[@VivekKamble-ir4xq]

@@shaguftanasreen-z4x Kashmir is indian territory not occupied Pakistan itself a indian territory occupied by muslim

[@hriday1341]

Which occupying state considers its colony as its own state and people as their own people . Kashmir got special privileges but they didnt utilised it and now cry when army had to be sent to control the mess they created

[@amritanshbaghel6386]

Yeah pakistan occupied Kashmir should be abandoned

[@Drwatson1097]

From iran persian man want back their land,the invaders chuslim grab the land pakistan, bangladesh from india, that is bharat give it

[@brahm-ahamasmi]

From Sindh, Balochistan, Pakhtoonistan, Baltistan... occupation is a crime

[@User122-62]

True, Also JAMMU KASHMIR POK LADAKH GILGIT .

[@channelrex5238]

I guess oxford is running by pakistani sympathizers. And they still discussing kashmir. It’s like BBCs father. They talk about everything from around the world but not their own country or english atrocities. Pathetic.

[@intelkids4986]

you have to let everyone talk..this sorta mentality will only show how we or just you want suppress public opinion which would make it extremely suspicious and work against us. Please realise that these are some of the liberties that our constitution guarantees and the speaker is referring to.

[@razeustrander]

​@@intelkids4986so will the Shias of Gilgit Baltistan get the same privilege???

[@loneowais4865]

Iss sarjan ko kya takleef hau baie

[@yasirbinfayaz1]

Because india is still engaging in atrocities in kashmir

[@ProshnoKoutuhol]

Even the land of Pakistan belongs to India and is stolen from us, what is the debate about Kashmir? The name itself is Sanskrit, Indian name.

[@vu3dfq864]

Im kashmiri and i love india

[@affanzaman6683]

Can you please translate what you said in kashmiri i want to confirm. 😂.

[@SyedHoorain-k6w]

don't forget what they did to us,or rather i can say what they are currently doing to us

[@User122-62]

​@SyedHoorain-k6wActually he/she is not Kashmiri just Claiming.

[@AqibMushtaq-u2t]

say that in Kashmir, Indian negga Bihari

[@Suhailkhan05]

Nice fake id

[@zuthmani9955]

The facts that this person presented just act as tangential remarks and they don’t necessarily correlate to what was being debated. He defines ‘Azadi’ (freedom) with his own interpretation and meaning and tries to deflect the matter away from the Kashmiris and other people of the region who are the main stakeholders of the land. All those polls he mentioned in no way prove Kashmiris don’t want Independence. Infact , if they do portray something it is the fact that kashmiris truely want independence from india as he mentioned in the second poll. He is just trying to say that the freedom kashmiris want can’t be given to them because of obvious Indian interests in the region, just like how British used to do earlier with Indians

[@narendrakaushik27]

For the real Kashmiris not the invaders who resided nearly recent...He's talking of Kashniri Pandit

[@SurajSharma-be2kd]

You want freedom then leave Kashmir and go to your Abba in Pakistan

[@durgeshsingh5220]

Kashmiri pandits wants Azadi from kashmiri radical muslim.... Now give them azadi..

[@georgefernandes848]

Kashmir doesn't belongs to majority muslim alone...

[@MirAmir-r9o]

Kashmir belongs to kashmiri muslim hindu sikh Christian all wants a peaceful solution

[@SHAFKAT_KHAN]

Kashmir also belongs to kashmiri Pandits but not to India.

[@jancyvargheese5351]

@@SHAFKAT_KHANand kashmir pandits want kashmir to be part of India, so it’s not possible for Kashmir to be independent. It can only remain as a part of India

[@bring-it-on]

​@@jancyvargheese5351which kashmiri pandit are you pointing to ?..There is no kashmiri pandit ..only kashmiri live in kashmir

[@user-kz4rt4md2r]

​@@jancyvargheese5351but kashmiri pandit population would still be only 5% if you bring all of them back and the 95% will be muslims so kashmir should be of kashmiris and free and no country has the right to occupy kashmir

[@Yawermusharafali]

A wise, honest and a visionary man will wish for freedom not independence.

[@stopsatmikey]

the word for both in kashmiri is "azaedi". Even the language speaks for itself

[@DaserRaser]

should've asked for "freedom" under British rule and not independance

[@stopsatmikey]

@@DaserRaser this guy is a kashmiri ironically

[@nurulhudavijapurwala4936]

And both freedom and independence didn't exist in islam

[@Yawermusharafali]

​@@nurulhudavijapurwala4936 👍

[@gulzarshaikh9568]

Kashmir has been a separate country since its inception, long before the rule of Ashoka, who was a ruler of ancient India. Our historical rulers include Jaluka, Hashka, Jashka, Kanshika, Harsha, Laltaditya, Awanttivarman, Kota Rani, Sadaruddin, Shahmir, Shahubideen, Zainul Abideen, Skinder, and Yosuf Shah Chak. Though there have been times when foreign invaders invaded and occupied our country, Kashmir has managed to regain its independence over the years. This pattern of regaining independence is also seen in other countries like Afghanistan, Iran, and India. We strongly request that our country not be merged with India. Our history, religion, culture, environment, ethics, education, and values are distinct from those of India and Pakistan. We maintain that our territory has been occupied and go out from our Country. A KASHMIRI VOICE FROM MATTAN, ISLAMABAD. KASHMIR.

[@tiktik9413]

your culture is not similar to that of any province of pakistan,so get your trapped lives liberated from the paksyani army

[@mukeshkhod9641]

nothing is different, whole indian subcontinent is same, see the topography of the reason

[@gulzarshaikh9568]

@mukeshkhod9641 lol, maybe you are in Sleeping mode.

[@User122-62]

​​@@gulzarshaikh9568he is 😂, they're Comparing us Kashmiris with Biharais , They wanna to make Kashmir Biha.r

[@anujsethi7845]

Kashmiri's fate was already decided in 1947 so your point is irrelevant now.

[@affanzaman6683]

As a kashmiri living in srinagar. Free our land and let us live..

[@veteranas5564]

Yes you want to live. Just as the Kashmiri Pandits who wanted to. Did you allow them to live? You guys have no idea about what freedom is because you have been ensconced by your Mullahs to believe that you actually start to live only when you are martyred. You sought freedom from India and created a Pakistan. Then why is it that the people of Pakistan are today sloganeering and asking for freedom to choose their own leaders? Sad. Very sad.

[@NestedLump]

​@@veteranas5564YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE AN IDEA WHAT WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH AND WHATS GOING ON.

[@affanzaman6683]

​@@veteranas5564They were pandits that was not the reason of their exodus. They were pro india and muslim were pro Pakistan and this is the reason Muslims didn't like pandits. And no mullah brain washed we have seen torture oppression with our own eyes. We kashmiris have loosed our loved ones neighbors, friends, father etc. I was personally never a pro Pakistan but when I saw brutality of indian army with my own eyes my whole life changed after that. And we didn't create Pakistan we were under dogra rule. And what ever is happening in Pakistan thay is not my problem I only care about my kashmir. .

[@NestedLump]

​@@veteranas5564SORRY TO TELL YOU... WE ARE NOT IN FAVOUR OF ANY SOCIETAL SEGREGATION.

[@affanzaman6683]

​​@@veteranas5564​@veteranas5564 They were pandits that was not the reason of their exodus. They were pro india and muslim were pro Pakistan and this is the reason Muslims didn't like pandits. And no mullah brain washed we have seen torture oppression with our own eyes. We kashmiris have loosed our loved ones neighbors, friends, father etc. I was personally never a pro Pakistan but when I saw brutality of indian army with my own eyes my whole life changed after that. And we didn't create Pakistan we were under dogra rule. And what ever is happening in Pakistan thay is not my problem I only care about my kashmir..

[@arieyoooooooooo]

WE WANT FREE KASHMIR. WE DON'T INDENTIFY OURSELVES AS INDIANS AND WE'LL NEVER.

[@elizabethsorenson8942]

@@arieyoooooooooo then leave Indian Kashmir and go somewhere else maybe to the neighboring country which has a place erroneously called Azad Kashmir ( illegal occupation of Indian land)

[@CocaCola-h8x]

​@@elizabethsorenson8942who are u to talk( gobar bakht) we are kashmiries it only belongyto us you can go anywhere but unfortunately the hindus are only in India 😂

[@Mohammad.bin.khalid]

​@@elizabethsorenson8942 Classic hindu-jew move It's still our land, we decide where it goes Kashmir is for Kashmiri Khalistan if for seekhs

[@shubhammittal9003]

Yes a true muslims will not identify themselves as indians because you are nafrati converted muslim. Please leave kashmir free it.go wherever you want to go..we want freedom.

[@George-u2u9n]

Sapne dekhta rah sor

[@nick-l4o2z]

this old folk crushed his 3 jihadi opposition ( figuratively)

[@DaDonMega]

God everyone is a jihadi to the dirty hindutva

[@ScienceBiotechArt]

Stop crying lindu. Rss terr....ist

[@shahidsanai]

Kashmir needs FREEDOM , not independence from INDIA . with democratic secular INDIA we can grow , then as Independently might captured later with radical , TOTALARIAN CHINA & PAKISTAN .

[@Gabbargaamada]

As a kashmiri, I totally agree. Kashmir is better off with india, we just need to be treated like other indians. Aes kashir chi munde ti khabees qoum, Hindustan chu asi khatri asal.

[@propheticadmirer1701]

you are not Kashmiri for sure.

[@Killa_3]

@@Gabbargaamada agreed , better integration and opportunities whilst raising the living standards is the right solution.

[@Gabbargaamada]

@@propheticadmirer1701 kara ya lechmayi benni

[@propheticadmirer1701]

@Gabbargaamada that means you do that to your sister, do you!

[@propheticadmirer1701]

@@Gabbargaamada let me translate for others to see who you are: Abusing someone's sister, this is what makes you hindustanich gayeen.

[@noschool-life]

Pakistani bots in the chat. LOL

[@gauravchauhan7834]

On the evening of 7 June, 2017, for the first time when I came out of Srinagar Airport, two kashmiri sunni muslim men had come to take me to my headquarters, i came kashmir on transfer, I joined my CRPF unit in Anantnag. My first & only question to my men was - " what is the problem here?" One of them answered " only religious"... For next 4 years, what I saw was forcible attempts to establish Sunni Islamic dominance over territory of kashmir supported by Pakistan....

[@SHOBHATIWARITHECREATOR]

people taunt Bihari who contributed significantly for indian freedom and these people were throwing stone and now want respect 👹🤡🤡🤡

[@RonyDSouza99]

Bihari were an absolute $hit during Indian Independence Movement . Only Bengalis & Punjabis were fought bravely for India's Independence .

[@toseeornot2see]

I am not sure how to feel. I am an Indian living in New Zealand. I don't want to take sides with the Indian government because of a simple reason - I have read a few too many reports of human rights atrocities committed in Kashmir. That being said, why do Kashmiris want independence? Why not reforms and staying within India with a better system? Maybe someone can educate me on this.

[@mickieminni3204]

Let’s set the record straight: 1. *Allegations Without Evidence*: India has been subjected to a barrage of allegations concerning Kashmir, ranging from Kushanposhpora to fabricated tales of torture camps. Yet, these accusations often evaporate under scrutiny, relying on anecdotal claims without substantiation. Justice demands evidence, not politically motivated fiction. One cannot ignore how such narratives are weaponized in Pakistan's information warfare-a nation that consistently ranks among the world's worst in press freedom and transparency. A house built on propaganda cannot withstand the winds of truth. 2. *Kashmir’s Rich History Predating the Mughals*: The history of Kashmir did not dawn with the arrival of the Mughals; it shines as a cradle of Indic civilisation. The region hosted the Fourth Buddhist Council under Emperor Kanishka, cementing its role as a bastion of Buddhist thought. It is home to Shaivism's profound philosophical texts, like the Spanda-Karikas, and ancient Hindu sites like the Martand Sun Temple. The contribution of Kashmir to Sanskrit literature, including Kalhana’s Rajatarangini, is unparalleled. These echoes of history resound with the voices of all Indic faiths-Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism, and later Sikhism-testament to its profound pluralistic legacy. 3. *Pakistan’s “Bleeding India with a Thousand Cuts” Policy*: The instability in Kashmir is not organic but orchestrated. Pakistan, in its own words, has sought to "bleed India with a thousand cuts," using Kashmir as a pawn in its geopolitical games. From arming and training insurgents to promoting cross-border terrorism, Pakistan has invested in chaos, not peace. This strategy has not only bled India but also hemorrhaged Pakistan’s own credibility, with international organizations openly condemning its role in fostering terrorism. 4. *Kashmiri Pandits and the Overlooked Ethnic Cleansing*: The selective narrative surrounding Kashmir conveniently omits the ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits in the 1990s-a modern-day tragedy of forced exodus, systematic violence, and stolen heritage. Homes were seized, assets appropriated, and a community annihilated in their homeland. Those who claim to fight for justice in Kashmir must first address this glaring atrocity, perpetrated not by foreign invaders but by neighbours turned oppressors. Silence here speaks volumes of selective morality. 5. *The UNSC Resolution Misinterpretation*: The oft-parroted UNSC resolution on Kashmir was advisory, requiring Pakistan to withdraw its forces before any plebiscite could be considered. Pakistan never adhered to this precondition, thereby invalidating the resolution's applicability. Blaming India for Pakistan's failure to uphold international commitments is not just dishonest but absurd. Moreover, invoking this decades-old resolution today, in a radically different geopolitical and demographic reality, is an exercise in anachronistic fantasy. 6. *Progress in Kashmir*: Recent years have witnessed transformative progress in Kashmir. Infrastructure development, rising literacy rates, and new political voices like Afzal Guru’s brother joining the mainstream signal a brighter future. Attempts to re-ignite divisive narratives are not only devious but also an affront to the aspirations of a flourishing populace. The people of Kashmir deserve peace and progress, not perpetual exploitation for vested interests. 7. *Ladakh Is Not Kashmir*: A brief geography lesson is in order: Ladakh was never part of Kashmir, and its people share distinct ethnic, cultural, and linguistic identities. Kashmir is not a monolith, and conflating its diverse groups erases the voices of many, including the Gujjars, Bakarwals, and Ladakhis. Secular India celebrates this diversity, giving representation to all. Contrast this with Pakistan’s abysmal track record-shrinking minorities, economic desperation, and a failed state narrative that serves as a cautionary tale for the world.

[@himanshubansal6491]

I need freedom from ChatGPT

[@narendrakaushik27]

Nicely illustrated

[@narendrakaushik27]

​@@himanshubansal6491you forgot Kashmir is linked to rishi Kashyap

[@Snickersnap2024]

😅😅 literally he didn't even removed those stars in general headings lamo 😂😂​@@himanshubansal6491

[@gulzarshaikh9568]

@@mickieminni3204 there are lakhs of evidence, but it needs eyes and sound minds, which you lose. Go to your Judges comments with recorded videos whole world knows the reality of what Indian Terrorists have done to us in Kashmir

[@BuddhaLaughs]

Unfortunately Mr Jha lacks the intensity, frustration, bias, loquaciousness and verbosity of the other debaters supporting independence for Kashmir BUT he has addressed the very relevant aspect dealing with Independence and Freedom. I wish another person would use the essence of this speech and use it to present a more powerful argument.

[@SuryanarayanaJagarlapudi]

Kashmir is far far better off than the POK. Pakistan leased Kashmir territory to China but Baltis stopped Chinese Trade.

[@vks704]

British MPs vote against national inquiry into grooming gangs with a 364-111 vote.

[@BhaaratKiAawaz]

Kashmir is an integral part of India❤

[@ScienceBiotechArt]

Then Give them rights first??? Barking is not good....... Presence of 10Lac ARMY Among Civilians is a proof whether it is integral or Occupied

[@animeshkatyayan]

​​@@ScienceBiotechArt The total army of india is 14 lakhs, kashmir valley is just 15% area of the entire state. you really believe that 70-80% of the indian army is inside that tiny area and the rest 4 lakhs are used to man the borders with china and pakistan. Don't go around using propaganda bro

[@craxlocus]

Army to stop pakistani terrorism not for our kashmiri people.

[@ScienceBiotechArt]

@@craxlocus That is why they must be at Border not among Civilians in every village

[@ScienceBiotechArt]

@@craxlocus BTW Why are Kashmiris forcefully taken out of their homes and are used In CASO ???? How is that justified . many civilians got killed due to this an dlater labelled as t......ists

[@BHARATIYA_TIGER]

Even Pakistan was ours from Ancient Times. It's Time for Ancient Civilizations Persians, Indians, Chinese and Mesopotamians to Rise up and get their Rightful Territories back from the Invader Turks and Arabs Glory to Ancient Civilizations 👑👑👑👑

[@Stardusk380]

Bounce pjeet

[@ahmadyawar322]

What I Think As A Kashmiri Is That Every Kashmiri Is Safe & Secured Till India Is Growing Through Constitution If Constitution Gets SomeHow Scrapped Like Our 370 & 35(a) All The Hell Will Be There Like Palestine As It Can Also Posses A Great Threat if Socialist & Secular Gets Evicted Which Is Almost To Be Done

[@vaibhavkrish4619]

If they want freedom they can leave land?? Kashmir is always integral part of india

[@musawwerrr]

Look at the sheer audacity and absurdity of modern day colonialists to annex culturally and ecologically rich lands from the native residents, on the excuse of preventing others from taking the same land and then boasting about advances & development, concealing the factual reality i.e; utter devastation and chronic sufferings. But no matter how much you exploit, no matter how many you kill, no matter how long it takes, it has to finally end one day. May be, we won't be alive to witness that, but, nor would you be. History makes it evident that nothing stays forever.

[@sarthakpatra]

Kashmir i.e JK is and was an integral part of India (Bharat)

[@OyePapaJi]

Yes, the Instrument of Accession was signed by King Hari Singh who was King of the Princely State and submitted to Jawaharlal Nehru. Since Jinnah in his deal said that the Princely State can join whatever part they want to join so King Hari Singh joined A Secular, Pluralist, Democratic India. Then Kabali's from Pakistan attacked and Occupied G.B. portion of Kashmir and then Tashkent Treaty happened where both India and Pakistan named it a Bilateral Issue.

[@junaidhamid5854]

What about Hyderabad and junagadh,kabli attached u butcher 5 lakh muslims in jammu

[@OyePapaJi]

@@junaidhamid5854 brother I am not attached to it, it's just information given on internet. I just said the same, Google it.

[@ComradeKMR]

Integral part of any country doesn't require heavy military presence among Civilian population. If it happens, it means occupation.

[@angelbaybi997]

​@junaidhamid5854 that was a war that Pakistan started n it was Pakistan that killed n raped thousands of muslims n hindus

[@greeperk9s]

The same old argument British india used for their imperial justification

[@why-pu6on]

What argument?

[@anujsethi7845]

Same rhetoric used by right wing Islamist. So both are talking about the same thing again and again. Mr. Thakur is doing the same

[@UsmanAli-youtube]

People of Kashmir have the right of their fredom, Indian State is a brutal occupier like British company sarkar and nothing else

[@shiva4774]

Occupiers are non hindus in the hindu land of Kashmir

[@UjwalKhopkar]

​@@shiva4774 yes right muslim or islam don't belong to indian sub continent. Period.

[@neet2024......]

No one talk on what indian army do with people of kashmir

[@SarthakKumar-b3n]

So you r talking in behalf of stone pelters .. shame on you

[@historicallyfirstprincipled]

yes they brig fredom to you we should now talk about ethnic cleansing of hindus in sindh punjab where 1000s of hindus were driven out of

[@SyedHoorain-k6w]

so when you were fighting against the britishes,were you not aahamed???​@@SarthakKumar-b3n

[@nurulhudavijapurwala4936]

Why are your profile name is on our entrance exam?

[@aman7588]

What they did ?( Asking genuinely)

[@Peace-z56]

Since several centuries entire present Pakistan and kashmir is part of India history speaks everything.

[@dakshmeena6453]

The only one who actually gave voice to the facts, instead of interpreting things to make the arguments feel stronger. Still basic arguments which people of knowledge might think that the world knows are what are always left. The opposition says that Kashmir has been in the periphery, has not been in integral part of India or related things. Are we not going to acknowledge the efforts of a person who was amongst many, mapping the Bharat Varsha on foot. Establishing various temples, maths(मठ) and schools. Adi Shankaracharya, the one whose temple is made on top of a mountain in the very region. Is ignoring the known fact that not only Kashmir but the globe had nothing known as Islam until very recent centuries. How the people of region were forced to convert or made to convert, like many across the globe. By various tactics, ranging from tax to murders, from rapes to forcing things against people’s beliefs. These are things that led to the disintegration or dilution of original Kashmir. Aren’t the still standing vandalised temples, ancient scrips of the region, Kashmiri Shaivism and many more intangibles not enough of a pointer. Pointing right at a past that has been crushed, buried and made as the foundation of the modern day Kashmir. Which now acts as the basis of every argument that people have for things like terrorism, Kashmir being a Muslim dominated region in the union territory of J&K, and many more. Why is it always has to be Indian part of the valley, why not the PoK where people want azadi. Even though Pakistan as a country has absolutely no stability, no democracy, no growth, no peace and no acceptance towards anything against Islam.

[@zuthmani9955]

Your assertions don’t make sense. You are trying to correlate Kashmir with India on the basis of religion. By that logic kashmir should belong to the arabs as our religion and culture today is far more closer to them rather than the Indians. Compared to some temples we have numerous and numerous mosques. Does that make us subservient to arabs? And your points aren’t even validated. Islam didn’t enter in the valley as you mentioned. You can’t just talk without proof

[@dakshmeena6453]

@@zuthmani9955 I am not trying to correlate Kashmir from India, if it was holding land and forming a country with more landmass, I would have been speaking about occupying rather weaker neighbours. It isn’t about trying to occupy or keep control of the valley. It is about atleast acknowledging the very fact that Kashmir belongs to a greater part known as India. In this country unlike most we have diversity, but if we just try to divide on the basis of how diverse we were/are we will face what our neighbouring countries have. It’s not me trying to divide or make the fact that Kashmir is a part of India, valid on the basis of religion. If you really agree to what you said, try to think what is your identity first, a Kashmiri or a Muslim. This isn’t a question I would ask only the Muslim population of this nation, I would do so to even myself if I ever find myself in a dilemma. Your identity as a Kashmiri is not restricted to you being a Muslim just as mine isn’t restricted to being called a Hindu. Try to imagine a time when sharia is imposed. If you ever had watch a documentary named ‘Indus Blues’ on KZbin, you’ll understand how nations who ended up identifying as Islamic states have ended up loosing their own culture and are now adapting to Islam. Music, paintings, singing, art of any form apart from calligraphy is quite literally banned in Islam. Isn’t this what Kashmir is known for? Secondly, I or anyone can not deny with what you as Kashmiris have faced or are facing. But are you going to ignore what the vast Hindu majority faced in the valley? The sufferings which are very same or worst than yours. It’s not about each and every every Kashmiri asking for their well deserved rights as humans, as Kashmiris. It’s about anyone going to the extreme with their demands. The very word with which you identify yourself, Kashmiri. What are basis of that? How did the very word Kashmir came to existence brother? Many people including many Kashmiri Muslims say that the depiction of what Kashmiri Hindus faced in the past is mere exaggeration, but how infuriating it feels to you when nothing like that is even implied upon you and many fellow Kashmiri people. Imagine someone trying to wipe you out of your home, destroying the evidences of you ever living in that place and later claiming to be the original resident and builder of that place? How does even this thought feels to you? Raise your voice, protest, make awareness and do whatever you can, but for getting what your deserve, just like how any human would, not to make extreme demands which have no basis.

[@LadakhAfter8]

As a supporter of Kashmir with India. And being a patriotic Indian, this thought process of the baldie is emblematic patronizing thought process of the elite in India. 😅 Sad... And symptomatic of the cultural supremacy that all Indian minorities suffer from. However, our country has much more empathetic leaders with egalitarian views😊 😊

[@Makhech]

Question to indians if u guys think kashmir Rightfully belongs to India and people of Kashmir support it why are indians so insecure about the word referendum even after promising it and promoting it in other regions is it because u guys think u guys have more right on Kashmir then kashmiri people themselves ...

[@stallionspirit1576]

answer is simple...after seeing wat happened to pakistan...we can't trust...skybook people with another country to ruin!..

[@whatsinthenamebru]

Because we have already given our land away to Pakistan, bangladesh, Burma . Not anymore .

[@whatsinthenamebru]

Since you seem to be a real Nerd about kashmir cam you tell me the most common snack they have ?

[@animeshkatyayan]

We are not insecure about referendum, we just think it is useless. Referendums have never solved a political issue. The quebec referendum, the scottish referendum, the referendum russia did in donetsk were all useless as it never resolved the discontent. Even jf you get a referendum done, and let's say India wins it, do you think Pakistanis will accept the result. Pakistanis don't accept their own election result when a political party they don't like wins. How will they accept if India wins the referendum. But let me give you that too, Imagine we live in an ideal world where a referendum happens and kashmiris either get independence or join pak and India heartily accepts the results. Now J&k has 40% non muslim population, they would be part of a country they don't want to be in. Your referendum would've forced them to live under a islamist regime they don't want to be under. now will you conduct referedums for them again. what about shias, gujjars, pahari rajputs, who never supported this seperatist nonsense, will you keep conducting referendums till each village has been partitioned. The referendum is an idiotic idea which will only create chaos

[@raws1201]

The right of plebiscite was given by UN security council it was based on three conditions. 1) Pakistan had to remove all their troops 2) India will also remove the majority of troops but keep some to maintain law and order. 3) When the above two conditions are met then only the plebiscite can be held. Pakistan never removed its troops hence it was Pakistan which was insecure to have the plebiscite.

[@anupchakravorty7720]

Various raiders , occupiers and periodical dynasties, belonging to various religions have tried their bit to 'convert' the populace into its own religion for conveniencing subjugation. And I am not talking about Kashmir. It happened everywhere, all over history. So, the Mughals too did the same, and crafted a Muslim populace in Kashmir. Now, it is the turn of the Indian government to design a population suitable for its amicable administration over this territory. It is the logical, historically justified thing to do. What is being missed here is the comparative standards of living standards, development, economic prosperity and education that has evolved over at POK Vs Indian held Kashmir. That should provide the answer to the Kashmiri people.

[@Faqr-e-Ghayoor]

Has india given democracy and freedom. So his argument is flawed.

[@bhaskar2894]

The Kashmiris of Free Kashmir are much more free and well-to-do than of Pakistan occupied Kashmir. How can someone flourish if he is oppressed or dominated? It is obvious that they’re free to do whatever they want for their lives and for the lives of their future generations. First visit Free Kashmir and Pakistan occupied Kashmir. You’ll understand the difference. The only freedom Kashmiris, in Free Kashmir, don’t have is that they cannot practice terrorism like in Pakistan occupied Kashmir.

[@VivekKamble-ir4xq]

Pakistan don't have any democracy

[@affanzaman6683]

​​@@bhaskar2894who even told you that? 😅. We cannot even apply for indian passport we have to give proof of at least 5 years that we were born and brought up in kashmir.with more verified from police and even not able to get passport because one of my familys man picked up weapons I cannot get passport because he was from my family. Thousands of kashmiris in jails in Up, delhi, jammu&kashmir & hundreds of kashmiri journalist in prisons because they wrote what the truth was. And today we have news papers full of government ads and propaganda no journalism at all. If they tried to do some journalism psa, uapa will be put on them and they will be behind the bars for years and they can't even get bail and even with any proof they can arrest any one on mere doubt. And most interesting part we cannot even keep weapons for our safety just because we are Muslims. Normal sim cards don't work in kashmir because kashmir is not a normal state And people in Azad kashmir have their own weapons own flag own pm and president and have you ever heard stone pelting in Azad kashmir Or azadi slogans or attack on army or ambush on army. You won't. And kashmiria on indian side picked up weapons against you people Burhan wani, Afzal guru, Maqbool bhat, yaseen malik etc. So don't give lecture kashmir has alot of peace because of india. 😂..

[@razeustrander]

​@@affanzaman6683PM of Azad Kashmir has less powers than a deputy commissioner from Lahore .. how much more are you paying for electricity that has been generated in your own "country" than an average Punjabi who is stealing it for free???

[@sharad991]

​@@affanzaman6683😂😂😂 ok.....ok ho gaya Tera ,ab ghar pe baith jaa

[@adilakhoon7768]

He knows nothing about Kashmir and Kashmiri people. and how can he because he is the representative of colonizer.

[@afzalw1]

Mr. Shankar is so in favour being colonized should write a book how India was better off colonized then being independent. Remember Mr. Shankar all your arguments against free Kashmir is against an independent India. A hypocrite.

[@VivekKamble-ir4xq]

Because it's already free

[@navneetparmar3084]

😂 it's all you got ? He simply asked what independence will get kashmir? Freedom that you imagine? a small state with 10-12 million people no industry or port sharing border with india Pakistan afganistan and china yeah right these countries will go easy on powerless kashmir china occupied entire tibet simply because it couldn't resist , india is union of states it's not a ethnicity it's nationality marathi bengali odia tamil gujarati kannad punjabi malayali telugu naga mizo kuki bihari idk how many others exist idk who is stealing identity in india? but in pakistan it's not case there is reason Bangladesh separated there are protests in Balochistan kpk sindh kashmir happens , if not for Pakistan kashmir would have been a normal state of union of India , these states make india not the other way like punjab of pakistan

[@navneetparmar3084]

😂 it's all you got ? He simply asked what independence will get kashmir? Freedom that you imagine? a small state with 10-12 million people no industry or port sharing border with india Pakistan afganistan and china yeah right these countries will go easy on powerless kashmir china occupied entire tibet simply because it couldn't resist , india is union of states it's not a ethnicity it's nationality marathi bengali odia tamil gujarati kannad punjabi malayali telugu naga mizo kuki bihari idk how many others exist idk who is stealing identity in india? but in pakistan it's not case there is reason Bangladesh separated there are protests in Balochistan kpk sindh kashmir happens , if not for Pakistan kashmir would have been a normal state of union of India , these states make india not the other way like punjab of pakistan

[@Eezzzee123]

Jammu Kashmirs accession was provisional on 3 points it was never merged with India it was to be decided by the people of Jammu Kashmir not Indians the Union gave its decision that’s majority vote for independent Kashmir India has been rejected and failed to stand up as a democratic country it’s a fascist regime that’s dictating on Kashmir on the point of a gun

[@idk-ll6yv]

Yes

[@Anish_07k]

Kashmir is only for Kashmiri pandits...not for mullas and muslim radicals and extremists....they are creating disorder and chaos in Kashmir..they vandalized and threw out the original kashmir people from there homes...now it is hijacked by Pakistan backed mujahideen

[@Amrraelwani]

👍✌️

[@mukeshagrawal]

The same paper was signed by every single princely states

[@Ishitakapoor12]

Get educated kid..

[@nectorsnow34]

Oxford is disgusting for holding this debate while democracy is normalising in J&K. Why won't they debate about the religious persecution and massacre of Kashmiri pandits?

[@m_ahmad_anwar]

Give Kashmiris Independence, they will remain free or not that is not your problem.

[@shaharslan3372]

Poz . Yeman dalan chune yecha han ti samaj taran

[@SHOBHATIWARITHECREATOR]

you will be annexed by pakistan and they will sell you to china

[@SarthakKumar-b3n]

Chup bey bhikhari

[@SarthakKumar-b3n]

Kashmir kashmiri hindu ka ha

[@George-u2u9n]

Bhikharistan calling kashmiris

[@kindandhelpful1658]

Only Kashmiris have the right to choose if they want to be a part of india or Pakistan or be independent.

[@ReissHaidar]

Everyone seems to have an opinion on Kashmir, except the Kashmiris, who are constantly being represented by Indians and Pakistanis, oddly at the Oxford University. Both India and Pakistan have a history of persecuting their minorities, ethnic and religious (according to human rights organisations), yet, they want to save Kashmiris from the other side. The hypocrisy on display is breathtaking. As for Pakistan and Pakistanis, please stop embroiling yourself in the affairs of Occupied Kashmiris, your country is one of the worst violators of human rights under an illegitimate military regime. You have no standing amongst genuine democracies, having committed a genocide against East Pakistanis. Azad Kashmir’s Independence Kashmiris are treated with contempt by Pakistan.

[@kakashisenpai99]

Nice debate.. His points are justified

[@kunaldargan4467]

Central question: Every Religion has equal rights in India. Especially Sufism which is the most prevalent form in Kashmir is more secure in secular India and people have freedom. The deficiency of removing Article 370 can be augmented with special domiciliary rights like other hill states of India. India as a union of Independent states is the idea which has been taken forward and shown that democracy works. I hope the brothers and sisters in Kashmir can have a dignified life and economic freedom away from tyranny of terror.

[@faizanm7]

@@kunaldargan4467 c'mon brother you want us to believe us in the dreams of dignified life when you yourself are a part of a decaying nation. Thinking India is a secular country is lame.Talking about the rising crime rates, the daily rape cases and exploitation of minorities, bulldozing their homes, discrimination on the basis of religion. If your dignified life includes bars and alcohol we are best away from it. We don't want development at the cost of losing our culture.

[@faizanm7]

@Peaceforall10 Honestly I don't know please acknowledge me. And why are you assuming that if I'm not an Indian fan I must be a Pakistani supporter, I hate Pakistan equally

[@atharpandit7160]

@@kunaldargan4467 bro wake up and stop sugarcoating occupation

[@atharpandit7160]

@@Peaceforall10 you need to study material other than what’s coming from RSS and whatsapp university, majority of the Non Muslims who lived Pakistan of 1947 were living in East Pakistan which is current date Bangladesh and when Pakistan broke in 1971 it is but obvious the population of non muslims decreased, go and check census of those days and you will get your answers.

[@adnanashraf6496]

If you are really sincere thn you should support right to self determination of kashmiries. Let us choose! Don't decide on our behalf! Plus no one likes a million foreign guns in their state! How would you feel if your state was controlled by kashmiries with guns in hand?

[@upscgs8152]

oxford need to have a debate over Ireland freedom from UK

[@NavneetYadavॐ09]

i don't know THOSE who are commenting , how many of you are kashmiree or pakistani but yeah one thing i would like to tell you about kashmiree that they don't have the wisdom ....agar inke paas akal hoti to ye log gun nahi uthate pakistanio ke kehne pe ... whatever indian soldiers are doing right now is based on the past you guys did ....aur rahi baat history ki to aapke allah se pehle waha budha the ....jabki velley me waha aaj ek bhi buddhist nahi milega to agar budhist log aake kehne lage kashmir humara he to 400 saal purani history ko leke kaha tak jaoge ...ye duniya kisi ek ki thodi he sabki he ...

[@adnanashraf6496]

Pure ignorance. Those buddishts were our ancestors . They did not leave kashmir they accepted islam. We are their descendants. Your argument is plain stupid.

[@NavneetYadavॐ09]

@@adnanashraf6496 matlab aap mante ho ki hindu bhi aapke ancestor he ?

[@adnanashraf6496]

@@NavneetYadavॐ09 it is simple logic. Every muslim country had pagans who accepted islam. Because they accepted islam doesn't mean they lost the right over their own land.

[@NavneetYadavॐ09]

@@adnanashraf6496 bro my question is do you think that we are different ? i am living in delhi and you are living in kashmir, it means we both are different or you believe we all are same?

[@adnanashraf6496]

@@NavneetYadavॐ09 we are different culturally, religiously, we eat different we wear different we talk differently, we think differently our morality is different! Clearly there are very less similarties between us.

[@RM668]

Kashmir was never part of Pakistan. Kashmir will never be part of Pakistan. Both Pakistan and Kashmir belong to India. Muslims converting from Hinduism to Islam... doesn’t change the fact that the entire region is Hindu Land. India is older than Islam let alone Pakistan. Be honest..,” Imam Mohamad Tawhidi

[@animeshkatyayan]

This is so true. Independence in kashmir doesn't mean creating a better society. Kashmir is already independent. What's something a normal kashmiri can't do today which he will be able to do once kashmir is independent. I can tell you things which he is able to do now which he won't be able to do once the state is "independent", from beauty salons to movie theatres to art, these things can be expected to be banned in a so called independent kashmir. When the opposition talks about independent kashmir, what they want is to transfer a democratic state to a radical islamist theocracy and we know how well that has worked out. Syrians too cheered when Daesh forces entered alleppo, they just didn't know what they were cheering for. The opposition can be as dishonest as possible by cherry picking the human rights abuses from indian side and completely ignoring the Pakistani side of things but the problem is that such issues can't be solved by plebiscite or random polling

[@DaDonMega]

Lol it's occupied by both Pakistan and India how is that democratic or free?

[@animeshkatyayan]

​@@DaDonMega What do you mean by occupied here. India has 30 other states, are they occupied too. Just by saying that kashmir is occupied, it doesn't mean it is occupied. Many kashmiri pandits say that kashmir is occupied by islamist radicals i.e. the sunni population. The term occupation has been used so sporadically that it has lost all meaning. A kashmiri is free to do whatever a normal indian citizen can do. The islamist might ban a few things though

[@animeshkatyayan]

​@@Daydreamer-763 That's because british and mughals were not developing India better. India held 33% of world gdp before the Mughals, it dropped to 25% at the time of jahangir and 0.4% by the time british left. Jammu and Kashmir on the other hand has developed under India. It's gdp per capita is higher than many Indian states and all the Pakistani states. It has universities, railway infrastructure and welfare programs. India has spent massively to make sure that kashmiris are taken care of. India was a colony under the british, Jammu and Kashmir is not a colony, it is a state. You are making a false equivalence

[@sharad991]

​@@Daydreamer-763😂😂😂 bcoz Britishers were not Indians or people of soil,Mughals lost to Britishers ,😂😂😂 India is there from last many years 😂😂 compare with some logic

[@sajadsaleem6678]

@@animeshkatyayan There are nearly 1 million troops stationed in kashmir. Now u will say they are there to protect kashmiris from pakistan. The states of Punjab, Gujarat and Rajasthan are in closer proximity of pakistan and share a longer border. Why aren't a million troops stationed in these states to protect the people of these states from Pakistan since they share borders. Look when u are supposed to protect the borders u protect the borders. U don't open huge cantonments in residential areas and occupy vast swathes of land. Every state has police for the civillians but its only in kashmir where u find the army disproportionately more than the local police. If that doesn't sound like occupation what does.

[@knowlegdewithjoy1610]

Who are Oxford 😂😂who was decided debate about kasmir when Oxford was not birth then whole kashmir and whole pakistan is part of Hindustan

[@induchopra3014]

J and K is not muslim majority state by that criteria also deserves to be in india. If few districts have muslims ,doesnt mean Pakistan deserves full state. By no logic Pakistan can claim it. Jammu,ladhak, gilgit, all are non muslim. Kashmir has huge hindu population too

[@affanzaman6683]

Kashmir is 97% muslim. And it shares it borders with Pakistan. And minority doesn't count you have done the same in junagadh..

[@navneetparmar3084]

​@@affanzaman6683he is talking about jammu ladakh and gilgit and 97% really we are not talking about pok it's about indian kashmir and india is not a hindu state neither you can claim every muslim territory Bangladesh can too do that by same logic it's a islamic state too why would pakistan get everything don't be too cocky or you might loose even more

[@affanzaman6683]

@@navneetparmar3084 My same question is to you why did India got muslim majority princely state with hindu ruler the same way Pakistan got hindu majority with muslim ruler who wanted to go with Pakistan. But India rejected Pakistan on junagadh by saying it has a hindu majority and they will decide who they want to live with. But when it comes to j&k they didn't care about their own logic that majority are Muslims why do Muslims want to join india. Why didn't they conduct a referendum just like junagadh. No one than and now (majority) wants to live with India. And i didn't claim muslim territory that is what India and Pakistan decided muslim majority will fall to Pakistan and hindu majority will fall to India. And how the heck is India than holding a muslim majority princely state. . 💀😶.

[@navneetparmar3084]

@affanzaman6683 how ignorant you people are junagarh was a city state even today it's mere district of Gujarat completey landlocked neighbouring district kutch is like 10 times larger that this check map and by 2011 census it had population of 4-5 lakh people how can you really compare this to kashmir which have population of 1.2 crore today ? And where exactly is it written that all muslims majority areas will go to Pakistan? India have more muslims than your population what a weird logic you people use , muslims in india are scattered no state in India have muslims more than 5% of its population but as whole they are 30 crore so how can you create pakistan with these small pockets within hindu majority territories? Only reigon were pakistan and Bangladesh that you got and kashmir was not a absolute majority of muslims atleast not before exodus of kashmiri pandits , and let me clear one thing you made pakistan for muslims who didnt wanted secular country for all we didn't we inherited british india while you were broken out of it , just google our reserve Bank is working since 1935 so are Bombay Madras bengal high courts our police service foreign service they were not formed like yours on 1947 ours were transformed by acts in parliament not built from scratch that's why even today your country lacks proper beaurocratic offices india inherited everything you didn't and pakistan is no more claim itself as made for muslims as you broke into two countries so what now you and Bangladesh are equal just like Bangladesh was created out of pakistan you were created out of India don't stretch too far or Bangladesh too will want share in everything why should pakistan keep Balochistan or kpk or pok why can't Bangladesh demand it's share

[@moonknight3594]

@@affanzaman6683 listen ur in no position to talk even lol beggers can't be chooser if u want kashmir do war with us win with courage or give up stop begging and crying thats how ur own ancestors got converted by ancient looters rapers whoi are ironically n ow ur heroes lol

[@altafkavi7019]

Let the people of Kashmir be given a universal chance to say what they want

[@wanimohsin2444]

See the comments 😂

[@radhas2156]

Kashmiri pandits are the Natives. Invaders offspring are not

[@George-u2u9n]

Bhikharistan zindabad

[@IshtiaqAhmedArzo]

Occupation must end 🔚

[@angelbaybi997]

Kashmir DOES NOT BELONG TO MUSLIMS...its a hindu and buddhist region that was invaded by the vicious islamists who killed millions of hindus destroyed their temples culture and religion...the muslims in Kashmir are occuping hindu land n thats a FACT...n its HISTORY 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

[@jon1045]

Kashmiris are all true believers monotheists, and nothing to do with sufism or any other deviant sects. We are true followers of Qur'an and sunnah of prophet Muhammad (saw) and no one can dispute our beliefs, by slandering the way this imbiscle has. He should mind his own business and his own beliefs.

[@ରାଜକିରଣ]

Kashmir is land of Rishi Kashyap and land of Kashmiri Shaivasim. Keep your arab cult out of this holy land. Otherwise, whatever happening in Jerusalem looks like joke on you.

[@TheNsahaf]

Freedom is our birth right British could said same to India where it was more diversity than Kashmir We would like to know the dates of the plebiscite without wasting more time in debates and tryingto prove something which has no logic so we can decide our future where to go and what to choose for ourselves by the way you are not from Kashmir at least other guy is from the valley of Kashmir so it makes his speech and the sentiments of Kashmir more legitimate and practical

[@santhugowda7179]

Na, na, na. Might is always right. Might will always remain quiet and do all the things. 😂😂

[@FEIN...]

As a kashmiri we want freedom from these colonizers.

[@samg7123]

Kashmir belongs to its original inhabitants. Kashmiri pundits. You guys are the descendants of looters from central Asia. Leave this jihadi mindset based on religion and Islam. Forget Kashmir, you guys are also restring britain and misusing such podium for freedom of speech. The day if ever islam is in majority, first thing you guys will do is stop this debate

[@angelbaybi997]

Kashmir DOES NOT BELONG TO MUSLIMS...its a hindu and buddhist region that was invaded by the vicious islamists who killed millions of hindus destroyed their temples culture and religion...the muslims in Kashmir are occuping hindu land n thats a FACT...n its HISTORY 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

[@Sun-ce7zz]

Present Kashmiri Muslims ancestors are form Iran and Turkey, so give this land their own people Pandits and go back your own land

[@jeevabalegar4954]

😂😂😂

[@angelbaybi997]

@@FEIN... Kashmir DOES NOT BELONG TO MUSLIMS...its a hindu and buddhist region that was invaded by the vicious islamists who killed millions of hindus destroyed their temples culture and religion...the muslims in Kashmir are occuping hindu land n thats a FACT...n its HISTORY 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

[@Amit-qr4ds]

The land of Kashmir belongs to Kashmiri Pandits and not to Muslims. Muslims had captured it.

[@qasimaslam2622]

1:15 they Given me the written speech because they don't want to speak freely about that matter. "Say instead of that you said"

[@Er_Faizan_Wani]

Independence of kashmir is the right of Kashmirs. The only option by which we can bring peace in south asia is by making Kashmir an independent country just like it was in SHAH MIR DYNASTY with Srinagar its capital. We Kashmiris neither want to stay with Pakistan nor with india. We have our own history. We want ZAIN UL ABIDEEN / YOUSUF SHAH CHAK 's KASHMIR...... THE KASHMIR SULTANAT ( which includes indian adminitred Kashmir, Pakistan adminstrated Kashmir, aksai chin, wakhan corridor). These parts form united Kashmir with Srinagar it`s capital. I really appreciate Dr Muzamil for raising this issue . I request #UNITED_NATION to step forward and fulfill the promise of right to self determination that they made with us.

[@cbadaik9498]

Shah Mir, chak were not kashmiri. They were from swat valley. They force fully converted kashmiri Hindus to Islam.

[@jancyvargheese5351]

@@Er_Faizan_Wani talk about kashmir history before shah mir dynasty. shah mir hamadani was a sufi priest from Iran. He managed to convince rinchan, the ladakhi king to convert to islam rather than hinduism. It’s after this, many hindu pandits of kashmir were converted. sikander butskhan or something forcefully converted 10,000 pandits every day. The last Hindu Raja of Kashmir was Sahadeva. Before legendary kings like Laladitya muktapida ruled Kashmir during the karkota dynasty. Kashmiri Hindus always called themselves as the Bharatiya people, along with all Hindus from South Asia. They called Bharat as their nation, and kashmir was the kingdom. Jai Hind Watan 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳

[@Er_Faizan_Wani]

@jancyvargheese5351 when Britishers left south asia Kashmir was given right to decide whether to join India or Pakistan or remain independent. Our maharaja at that time choose to remain independent. But the problem was more than 80% of the population was of Muslims and Maharaja was hindu. He was doing lot of injustice against Muslims.( Like taking our rights for jobs, only Hindus were at government posts . All Muslims in Kashmir before 1947 were treated like they are people of lower class. And there are a lot of examples of massacres in Kashmir before 1947. One day a Muslim in a mosque stood for the call of prayer . When he started azaan he was killed . And all the people were told not to pray but Muslim there one by one stood and were matryed. In this way 27 Muslims were matryed on that day in order to complete the azaan. We Muslims do not hesitate to fight against injustice. We are fighting for our freedom right from those maharajas , Britishers, and now against India , Pakistan ,china. I mentioned Shah Mir Dynasty Kashmir above because we 80% Kashmir wanted Kashmir to prosper just it was under the reign of sultan Zain ul abideen .He is called the greatest king of Kashmir. Under his reign we Kashmirs were happy . Just like indians and Pakistanis we Kashmirs also have rights to make their own country in 1947. And we want an independent Kashmir with its map just like it was in Shah mir Dynasty.

[@Er_Faizan_Wani]

​@@jancyvargheese5351​ But what about now, Muslim population in j&k is 80%+ and all the culture and tradition of Kashmiris match with Shah mir Dynasty. If you will come to Kashmir you will find it different from rest of India interms of culture, tradition. Kashmir is known for its arts like shawl crafting and weaving, Copper works, kaleens. These arts came into Kashmir with the Muslim traders that came from iran. 80 % population of jk lives in Kashmir. And everyone here wants an independent Kashmir. Thats all.

[@Er_Faizan_Wani]

​@jancyvargheese5351 But what about now, Muslim population in j&k is 80%+ and all the culture and tradition of Kashmiris match with Shah mir Dynasty. If you will come to Kashmir you will find it different from rest of India interms of culture, tradition. Kashmir is known for its arts like shawl crafting and weaving, Copper works, kaleens. These arts came into Kashmir with the Muslim traders that came from iran. 80 % population of jk lives in Kashmir. And everyone here wants an independent Kashmir. Thats all.

[@DaserRaser]

Basically an argument for colonialism. Prem's description of Kashmir being a diverse region with differences that cannot afford independence on territory is even more so relevant to the entirety of India. By that logic, the British should regain control of the Subcontinent

[@asmitkarpit5689]

Sabhi Mai BaBa ka Lecture mast hai 👌👌 But view sabse kam😢

[@qasimaslam2622]

16:10 wait wait!!! Any long term solution. And which is that solution. Of course Indians merged Kashmir for what you are trying to say but can't want to free Kashmir from both sides and give them total freedom. Instead of this you are trying to say some foolish reasons like shia sunni and their other roots. But one thing you don't know Muslim is always an Muslim when it is come for war or freedom.

[@motivateuaself8530]

As a Kashmiri I support the idea of democracy.... Like India and Pakistan are democratic countries. In the same way Kashmir is also going to be a democratic Kashmir.

[@The_VortexGames]

True democracy is the best modern day ideology

[@moonknight3594]

Islamists love authoritarian rule lol

[@muhammadamin5677]

irony in the topic "independence may not bring kashmir democracy and freedom"? Are they free now? stupidity

[@shiva4774]

Ofcourse they are. Only muslims like to pretend they are not

[@AvyaanYadav-q8m]

If they ( Kashmiris) are demanding partition, then I also pray that there should be partition, but the partition should be only of Kashmir. You can go and join Pakistan or a new country is formed, we have nothing to do with it. But Jammu has 70% Hindus and Ladakh has 80% Buddhists. It will never be connected with Kashmir and it will not even become a part of the narrative of Kashmir. If Kashmir is divided, then the Hindus of Jammu and the Buddhists of Ladakh should also get their rights. If Kashmir belongs to the Muslims, then Jammu belongs to the Hindus and Ladakh belongs to the Buddhists.

[@coderon-148]

yeah of course, like india is the one country itself that doesn't tolerate minority religions. but still didn't want colonizers to interfere. irony is it

[@user-jj7yh4vb3j]

Kashmiris don't have the right to speak about Dogras, Jammu and Ladakh too. 🤡 I don't why these people are offended if someone is there to represent the veiws of Dogras and Jammu. 🇮🇳 We were, are and will always be Indian 🇮🇳

[@aleenashafaat2295]

Excuse me sir, in the beginning 2:00 you said that the whole greater Kashmir region should be included for this particular debate ... But sir, what happened in August 2019 when India revoked the article 370. At that time India didn't ask Pakistan that oh I am going to do it, what's your say in that. When India talks about Greater Kashmir.. it talks only from it's point of view, siding Pakistan or China or the main body The Kashmiri... In actuality Kashmiris are at stake here the most.

[@SpSingh-jv3ne]

What will happen to Kashmir post " independence" from India and Pakistan, that should be left to the people of Kashmir how they live together.

[@nikhilgandhi5725]

Muslims can leave kashmir

[@Stardusk380]

Okay pjeet

[@akeel6328]

Is he speaking from experience about what happened to pajeeetland after British left?

[@tiktik9413]

yeah anantnag is full of stone pelting pajita

[@beautyofkashmir_]

He ain't gonna fugging decide what it may or may not bring for us. The fact he brings Independence of Kashmir in argument in itself says he's weak in his argument, because Independence is a whole big thing!

[@inamulhaqwani517]

Off course Kashmiries never ever wanted to be with either india or Pakistan. We were an independent state when you were living under British colonial rule. We as kashmiri want to have a sovereign independent kashmir which it was before illegal occupation of india and pakistan including the Asia chin which is illegally occupied by china.

[@MirEHTISHAM]

Jammu and Kashmir is the country that was there Hundreds of years before so called India and Pakisan .

[@hkpandey1]

Kashmir is the land of Kashyap rishi...the land of Sharda peeth .. its history is not 500 years old... its more than 5000 years old...and its always been Hindu/ Buddhist land... its doesn't belong to muslims...its has culturally, civilizationally, religiously, geographically, politically always belonged to Bharat... and will forever be part of Akhand Bharat... UN, pakistan and the enemies of Bharat may take a walk...we were always in Kashmir as a people and will always be...digest that and cope with it...

[@rishikeshramjilal]

Very well said ❤

[@drnikeshkumar7040]

Independence.. Freedom.. Sovereignty.. Indentity.. Good to hear 👍👍

[@Kashmirimuslimakhi]

old man from theslums of muimbai is gonna tell kashmiris how their future should be lol

[@atharpandit7160]

I heard the arguments in favour of India by this gentleman very carefully and trying hard to make people believe Independence does not guarantee democracy and things could go really wrong which in my opinion being a Kashmiri myself is far better than living in occupation of a nation whose collective conscience satisfies by hanging a Kashmiri and who celebrate snatching of the same democracy in Kashmir and subjugating it’s people. The whole idea of this gentleman was focused on some poll conducted in 2004 when the fear of repression was so high that even genocides conducted in broad daylight were brushed under the carpet and unmarked graves were filled with dozens of bodies for speaking decent against Indian occupation, if this so called poll holds so much relevance for India and the speaker which undeniably according to him was in favor of India means any plebiscite conducted in Kashmir will result in India’s favour? Let him and India push for a plebiscite and settle the dispute once for all in a democratic way since the speaker was concerned about democracy and should not have any problem in letting Kashmiris practice it and decide their future!!

[@QrsRafiq]

We want freedom from india

[@QueenBattle-zb7nz]

We want freedom from Muslim to whole subcontinent

[@George-u2u9n]

Bhikharistan bhag bhadue

[@mewmewgene]

Even if you strip off everything in matter of context of the debate, opposing independence of a place on the basis that it would be hard to govern and devolve to chaos is stupid. The point of the debate aside, the speaker is very bad.

[@farhat43-h2y]

LOL...a non kashmiri is speaking about kashmir...Man! have you ever witnessed what kashmiris have witnessed ...Do you people know what kashmiri people have gone through? And to all the people who are commenting here ...its easy to comment being with the family ,do you know how many families have been destroyed in the Kashmir so far!..be a human atleast feel the pain.. WAKEUP!!!

[@blackaxe8950]

This man doesn’t know the urdu language. Khudmukhtary = sovereignty. Azadi = freedom. When Kashmiris say they want sovereignty and freedom it means precisely that they want their own state back from Indian occupiers

[@waquarahmed572]

All debaters in favor of India, unfortunately, are intellectually inept and their arguments, though ‘technocratic’, come off as bankrupt in multiple forms. This is terrible!! Oxford Union needs to do a better job of inviting better intellectuals willing to make a case against continuing balkanization of South Asia. I will be happy to accept an invitation from Oxford if there arose another opportunity to examine/debate the case of Kashmir in the future.