I have always wanted to learn about pickups in this depth. To see them being made and them hearing the finished product is over the top cool. I can absolutely hear a difference. The external pickup has a darker sound. The internal is airy and true to a vintage PAF sound. An awesome video I am hooked. Please keep them coming.
@aryeheast97042 жыл бұрын
That difference is absolutely crazy. I'm usually skeptical of things like this, but that was a huge difference even on low quality work computer speakers. Thank you very much for the information.
@StevenParente2 жыл бұрын
I heard a difference. It was subtle, but I really liked the internal lead pickup. It sounded more open and had a clarity to it. Both sounded good. Great video!
@peteflynnPAF2 жыл бұрын
The internal lead sounds more open. I think you have found yet another meaningful detail. Great job!
@TheChadPad6 жыл бұрын
You're fucking right! Simply through the buzzing alone, you can hear a difference. If it's different sounding in that way, it must be different sounding in general, because the circuit affects all of that. Great experiment you've done! Thank you for this. As a guitarist, people like you give me the opportunity to capture my music in the way it needs to be. Kudos and cheers!
@justthisguyyouknow6664 жыл бұрын
When you were playing, I could almost hear the external lead pickup with its regular and robotically-placed windings exhibiting a more level tone, while the disruption of the windings in the internal lead pickup gave more colour and personality to the output. Makes me wonder what a pickup wound in a truly scattershot manner by hand would sound like.
@myvintagesunburst74186 жыл бұрын
a slight difference is still a difference . if you're going to go the distance to recreate a PAF , you must go the whole way . thanks for investing the time to make a great product . details such as these set your PAFs apart , reinforcing again 'you get what you pay for'.
@michaelwallace11892 жыл бұрын
I am in awe of your setup. Literally green with envy. I used an old ceiling fan motor and a Penn fishing reel with a track wind, to build pickups. Believe it or not, the ceiling fan motor is drag sensitive and provides an almost perfect tension when you get the right speed. Starts and stops are no where near accurate though. I've wound a pair of p 90's I can't stop playing. I have an arbor press as well, which I actually bought for pressing frets. Anyway, loved the video. Very interesting concept and worthy of experimentation.
@RevoFoto4 ай бұрын
Would love to see a video of your pickup winding setup sounds sketchy, I mean interesting 😊. It does make me curious! ❤
@paulcarver9734 жыл бұрын
Internal wire has a more vintage hollow body guitar sound and the external is more the rocker style with a definite treble...they both sound great ...awesome work sir....
@picksalot12 жыл бұрын
Fascinating video. The tone differences became noticeable when you tapped on the Pickups with the Pick. What I heard in the sound samples was that the Pickup with the internal lead sounded a little clearer and more dynamic. The external lead Pickup sounded a little warmer and compressed. Thanks for taking the time to make the Pickups and demonstrate the differences. 👍 It's clear that the internal lead has a real effect on the winding distribution. I preferred the Pickup with the internal lead. 😎
@svajesz3 жыл бұрын
I was a little skeptical at first, but on the test with guitar I really heard the difference. It's amazing! Thank you for the video!
@josephlodwick84934 жыл бұрын
Yes Sir the PAF sounded warmer and creamy, The other was brighter .. Excellent job !!!
@SeemoreDunkan2 жыл бұрын
15:58 Good tip Jon :) In all seriousness thank you SO MUCH for teaching us these things. Please do more videos like this and play a bit more in the comparisons.
@Darkvibration4 жыл бұрын
There is clearly a difference. The PAF sounds better to my ear. Great video. Thank you!
@alastairmacdonald679418 күн бұрын
Great video, I'd be interested in understanding whether there was much difference in the Henries reading on both ?
@mikebledsoe23154 жыл бұрын
*Original PAF winding please when I order my set from you Jon. Thank ya thank ya vurrry much.*
@mickizzo6 жыл бұрын
Definitely a noticeable difference. Great video & great pickups. It’s comforting to know there’s someone further around the tone chasing bend than I am.
@hermesdavi84064 жыл бұрын
Based on this video I'd like to have a guitar with a PAF Bridge pickup and a PAT neck pickup. I think with this setup the guitar would have a more muddy range bridge tone and a neck tone that can have the usual sound of neck position without being too numb in comparison to the other pickup
@binairycode68334 жыл бұрын
Nice video, i hardley hear the difference altough i thought the external lead sounds a bit warmer, but if you really want to know the difference why not use an oscilloscope to see the difference in frequency and amplitude?
@keithblair66446 жыл бұрын
Jon I can definitely hear a difference in the two. The PAF setup has a overall smoother tone. It's most notably on the high and lows. Am I hearing a more , for lack of a better word, hollower tone on the PAF wired pickup? I feel like I am. It's so slight in the grand scheme of things, but I can sense it. Both sound great though. I would imagine the difference would be more prominent in a more driven amp. You are truly a gifted craftsman. As a fulltime musician, I tend to , believe it or not lol, am able to pick up the slightest nuances in pickups. I have a gold Dot 335 that is begging me for a set of ThroBaks. But money can be funny sometimes when you play for a living. But one day you'll get the call I promise. Watching your videos, there's nobody else I'd rather buy pickups from. Keep it up, we'll keep watching!
@monkeyfinger79499 ай бұрын
Amazing that this little detail was easy to hear on my laptop. I'm with the start lead pickup. The external lead was subtly different, but sounded more 'clinical' to me.
@guyr.c.6066 жыл бұрын
When your tapping your hearing the pickup as a mic would, but once in the guitar I still detect a subtle difference between the two. I think that this experiment along with the others you've done helps to illustrate your point that a pickups tonal quality is due to a highly complex set of variables in materials and methods. As a Luthier and guitarist I really appreciate your work as it helps those of us working at the tone wood end of things better inform musicians hunting that elusive sound in their heads, and with application help realize it for them
@jamesnewlyn18035 жыл бұрын
I found this VERY interesting. I like to listen closely to the other artifacts that are pretty good indicators. Like the hum/buzz as you move your hands closer and further from the pickups as you tap. The hum with the internal lead wire sounds more open and natural. The external was more choked and compressed in comparison. And also the frequency response in how the reverb is driven. The internal lead wire just sounds like more air and space around each note which to me translates to more overall clarity. It is very subtle but as we all know, in the tone world, it's about the sum of all parts.
@kevinshackleford790 Жыл бұрын
Definitely a difference between the two. Nice video man. Very cool.
@Mrguitarcraze Жыл бұрын
I think the magic of the tone was in the hickory floor boards at the Gibson plant that the machine vibrated against. I’m joking. Thanks Jon for the informative video. Fun to watch from a fellow geek.
@jcsk86 жыл бұрын
Microphonics are what I like the most when I listen to vintage PAF´s. And I love it. For me the microphonics pickups are what brings most of that middy "3d" that sounds amazing.
@johnhummer10643 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video! This is gold.
@michor106 жыл бұрын
There's quite a noticable difference. Great video!
@markseres34596 жыл бұрын
Jon thanks so much for what you've put into this. The A2 would be part of the result also I'm feeling. Whatever, you've demonstrated something significant for sure. Airiness is a great term to use for a PAF and I think you've really given us some insight here. Looks like the only way I'll find out is to order a set from you, the sooner the better. Thanks again. Best regards from Western Australia..
@bayougtr Жыл бұрын
I noticed the hum was slightly different from the startwire pigtail to the non. I like the tapping of the pickup examples. I’ve been doing the same experiment, listening to the differences and reactions.
@cesarccoronel11566 жыл бұрын
This is so fantastic analysis . Great channel. Congrats.
@seekeroftheways Жыл бұрын
Very interesting outcome. Id put the internal version in a les pauland the external version in an ES 335
@buffdoc466 жыл бұрын
Jon, feel the same PAF darker, more thud, PAT is more trouble with highs. Great video.
@johnkirkpatrick17786 жыл бұрын
One variable which was not taken into consideration was the possibility of magnetic field strength variations between the two pickups. How did you check the actual gauss rating of each pickup? Did you have to charge the magnets yourself? Also, we know that relatively slight changes in the height of the pickups with respect to the strings can produce a lot of variability in the actual audio signal output. A very interesting video: one possible method of quantifying the results would be to record the audio produced by tapping the pickups with a thick plectrum, and analysing the relative frequency spectrum produced (tapping each pickup multiple times would tend to allow the 'heavier' or 'lighter' taps to be disregarded: by displaying the waveforms produced using a DAW [digital audio workstation] you could 'normalise' all the weaveforms so that they would all have the same maximum amplitude, making comparision of the actual different frequencies easier)
@ThroBakChannel6 жыл бұрын
I charged the magnets and pickup height was precisely measured.
@chriswalshcustomguitars39625 жыл бұрын
Wow, a clear difference. Thanks for this very enlightening video. I learned a lot!
@draginspring6 жыл бұрын
easy to tell the difference even on my Macbook speakers. Glad i bought from you a NOS wire PAF set some years ago... does my '59 large coil Melody Maker also have a start wire Jon? an amazing vid!! thank you
@ThroBakChannel6 жыл бұрын
I have not repaired one of those Melody Maker pickups so I can’t say for sure.
@Andluth4 жыл бұрын
Do you have a video on how to attach the leads to the magnet wire? I struggle with this. Thanks
@petedazer33815 жыл бұрын
Very informative and interesting, thanks for posting
@Metal1ngus4 жыл бұрын
awesome video! I'm curious though if you did the same experiment but also wax potted the pickups...would you still get the same tone differences between the two or would you loose that because you are reducing/eliminating microphonic feedback?
@jeffreytelmo21355 жыл бұрын
So would you agree that the wood used makes a difference in sound when the pickup is microphonic?
@ThroBakChannel5 жыл бұрын
Yes, the wood resonance makes a difference.
@GibsonLesPaul22735 жыл бұрын
@@ThroBakChannel For sure it does because my LP is very bright and gives me those "ice pick" notes. Ive tried everything you can think of and its been an expensive mission and nothings worked.
@danielmankiller50984 жыл бұрын
@@GibsonLesPaul2273 have you tried a bridge with plastic or nylon saddles? That's what they were designed for; to tame ice pick highs. Make sure you don't buy the ones with tusq or synthetic bone saddles. Those are designed to alter your tone, but don't specifically target just the high end.
@danielmankiller50984 жыл бұрын
@@GibsonLesPaul2273 The Gotoh GEP 104B ABR-1 Style Wireless with Plastic Saddles will take away the most excessive highs, and cost about $35.00. Nylon saddles on a Tonepro ABR-1 Style Bridge would take away less highs, but cost much more.
@GibsonLesPaul22734 жыл бұрын
@@danielmankiller5098 I will look into that thanks, hard to find these things in the UK and shipping from US is huge, I will have another look closer to home.
@mikepetrich99596 жыл бұрын
I have fell down the rabbit hole of your vids the last few days Jon. Haven't seen if yo uhave one yet, but would love a peter green pickup discussion of some sort. My main guitar, a Ron Thorn Artisan, was built around that tone.
@ThroBakChannel6 жыл бұрын
Actually I will be doing Peter Green video some time soon that has some new information about his iconic neck pickup.
@mikepetrich99596 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to it. Not sure which version of your pickups I've heard, but several Thorn's with them and really great stuff.
@ThroBakChannel6 жыл бұрын
Ron Thorn usually orders ER-Custom pickups from us for his guitars. Ron does amazing work!
@mikepetrich99596 жыл бұрын
Sure does....he's now at Fender Custom shop...they stole him! LOL
@ThroBakChannel6 жыл бұрын
I did not know that. Good for him.
@JohnOakwest5 жыл бұрын
You should twist the magnet wire together several layers to make a thicker start lead using only magnet wire.
@pcpersonalcensorship31053 жыл бұрын
Really interesting, thank you.
@highhowareyoufam4 жыл бұрын
Since this is a machine wound process the wire inside just introduced variations in the coil at the beginning so compared to the other machine wound pickup with nothing to affect its pattern then it should be the case that there will be less capacitance on the pickup. But its a neat trick to add some airy top end to the pickup without guiding the wire by hand
@rontrabbic882711 ай бұрын
I’m going to get some PAF.SOON
@greghardy35826 жыл бұрын
Internal lead is the "pure" P90 sound to me. Just curious what other pickups used the internal lead method?
@ThroBakChannel6 жыл бұрын
P90’s and P.A.F.’s.
@matthewhill50433 жыл бұрын
The internal PAF without a doubt has more depth and sounded more vintage than the one with the outer wire. I personally would rather have the internal PAF in my Les Paul. That's just my own opinion and choice. It's all about individual perspective.
@rickclark41124 жыл бұрын
Definitely a diff man!!! Which one is best is only going to be an opinion. I like the internal better ( I think LOL)... But both are awesome. But I think the goal of the experiment was achieved. Thus There IS a difference... GREAT VIDEO
@brycejames7829 Жыл бұрын
i agree, sounds like a punchier quicker upper mid range on the external, whiich to me sounds like a fuller tone, but i think youre correct the when you take that response out of the pickup, it is literally more low tones tho for some reason it doesnt feel that way to my ears...
@ivanblock66413 жыл бұрын
WOW. What do you know. I can definetly hear a difference. Like the internal rout PAF one better. I can see how this would change or make a difference to the characteristics of the pickup.
@strat7751 Жыл бұрын
What direction for 2 humbuckers on series? cc for bridge and c for neck?
@jboner6685 жыл бұрын
Excellent video!!
@ejspode95036 жыл бұрын
I quite enjoyed that demonstration. Thanks. Just for the sake of chasing different tones, I wonder what would happen if you used a thicker start wire, or perhaps just wound the current size one twice around the bobbin. I know neither of these would be vintage correct, but it might produce some interesting results.
@ThroBakChannel6 жыл бұрын
Earlier Gibson lap steel pickups used a thicker cloth covered start wire.
@ejspode95036 жыл бұрын
Are you talking about the "blade" style pickups? Soundwise, were this akin to P90s?
@ThroBakChannel6 жыл бұрын
No, these had pole slugs rather than pole screws.
@ejspode95036 жыл бұрын
So if I may return to my original question . . . if one used a thicker start wire on a PAF-style humbucker or wound the current sized-one twice or more, would there be a discernible difference in tone? Better? Worse? And thanks again for your videos!
@ThroBakChannel6 жыл бұрын
I would need to test that to know for sure.
@KozmykJ6 жыл бұрын
I agree with you on tones. In the guitar the PAF was a smidge rounder and the Pat# was that little bit sharper. I'd be interested to hear the difference Potted and unpotted; if that's consistent with your search for authenticity. Still be interested in the differences if there weren't potted versions of these, historically. 😉
@ThroBakChannel6 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a great idea for a future video!
@mrfrontranger79115 жыл бұрын
I did hear the diff and I have old ears.great test thanks
@tonyanthony77036 жыл бұрын
How about winding tension,.. could make the same tone changes?
@ThroBakChannel6 жыл бұрын
The internal start wire does effectively lower the tension of the coil internally. More tension gives a slightly harder tone and less a slightly softer tone. It’s a subtle difference but that is what I hear.
@footprintsonthemoon46822 жыл бұрын
Great Video! Super interesting! What's the internal wire dimension? Is it was changing during the years? What the gauge you are using right now? Greetings! :)
@klasewiberg3 жыл бұрын
Is the difference only due to the fact that the internal is more scatterwound? That would explain the higher pitch and air-ness.
@Thoracius Жыл бұрын
Yeah the internal lead one sounds a little deeper, which is what you'd expect on a wider coil. Very cool sound.
@wesleymorris15 жыл бұрын
I can hear it, it sounds more harmonic in my opinion, more treble slightly but, both sound good, i have a secret way i a+ b my pickups, which im going to try this with. And see if there really is alot of difference.
@mikepetrich99596 жыл бұрын
OK. I expected to be..meh hokum. But this is pretty interesting stuff. Not being a les paul guy but using buckers..it's interesting just for the knowledge. Thanks for sharing. I do hear a difference. It seemed to translate to a tighter bass on the external wire..I actually liked that better.
@daveyspider6 жыл бұрын
love the vid please keep them coming
@imsergio5 жыл бұрын
I wonder what pickups would sound like if they were wrapped with the same type of wire twisting that i use to build my coils for vaping (i.e. Clapton Coil, Hive Coil...). In theory it's possible, right? i just don't know how you would be able to twist so much wire before wrapping.
@tracyc78136 жыл бұрын
I can hear a difference but neither is "better" than the other. They both sound great.
@jcserrano16635 жыл бұрын
IMHO I can hear the difference when you tapped em, the P.A.F. sounds more bassy and a little hollow compared to the Pat. More trebly and tighter. When you played there wasn't much difference, I think if you use OD and Distortion there should be more difference in sound.
@DmaraGuitars5 жыл бұрын
Did you by chance measure the inductance? If so what did it read, the Henries ?
@ThroBakChannel5 жыл бұрын
I did measure inductance and there is an insignificant difference between the two.
@strat7751 Жыл бұрын
Same direction for bridge and neck? (CC)?
@dzidolgitara5 жыл бұрын
Hi . you absolutely right . PAF sounded more calm . i like it more
@allanex08315 жыл бұрын
the one with the internal start wire is brighter and louder while the one with the external is darker and weaker
@sammyrothrock69814 жыл бұрын
Internal is true to form of the original! Thank you for your research and sharing this with us! You could have kept this for yourself and with the trade secrets.. That classic sound it a bit brighter and spanky sounding... Love it! ❤️ 👍 These MFG ruined a great pickup from ceramic magnets wax potting overwound muddy sounding junk. And now the internal start wire along with a non potted alnico 2 with a DC resistance around 7.5 to 8.5 k sounds about like perfection along with 42 gauge wire!!! ❤️
@LPCustom35 жыл бұрын
Jon; So how would I know if one of the pickups sets I bought from you in 2008 to 2010 had the Start wire inside the bobbin? Thanks! Don Butler
@ThroBakChannel5 жыл бұрын
All but the Pre-T-301 and ‘70 Select have internal start wires but I do vary the length of the internal start wire for some models.
@attilakovacs63664 жыл бұрын
Great video! Ps: pls switch on the subtitles your vids. This is help me a lot for a better understood. Thx!
@smkh28903 жыл бұрын
I thought PAF pickups sounded exotic and mysterious, until I looked it up and found Patent Applied For! Seems it takes 50 years to obtain a patent in the US!
@gregdunn60404 жыл бұрын
What type of wire are using for your lead wires?
@Jesuswinsbirdofmichigan Жыл бұрын
🍒@23:39, amazing! On budget android tablet speakers can hear almost reverb characteristic?, an "aliveness" from (long internal lead) vs a "sterile" abruptness the clean wound bobbin p.u. Nice work✝️ Sept.-28-2023.
@dougmaia6 жыл бұрын
I can definitely hear a difference. I listened through my Bose headphones and I would say the internal wire version sounds more open, the external wire version sounds a bit darker and tighter, which can be a good thing for more overdriven guitar sounds. That airy tone with more overtones associated with PAFs is more present on the internal wire version, are least to my ears. Bottom line for me is: They are definitely different. Better or worse is a matter of preference, very subjective. Anyway, great series of videos! Thank you Jon, for taking the time to record and edit these. I know it's a lot of work, but it's very much appreciated. Please keep them coming! Greetings from Burst Lovers 🤘(Instagram)
@e.tienne66006 жыл бұрын
Douglas Maia same!
@Mark706096 жыл бұрын
Douglas Maia there is a slight difference, but not a huge difference. I heard it in the bass notes of the guitar. I don't think it is deal breaker different. What I'd like to hear is a single pickup set and have magnets substituted for long and short A2, A4, A5's etc. I'd like to hear different combination pickup set, I have an A2 long magnet in my neck pickup and a A4 in my bridge pickup. I like the tones from both pickups and I like the unique timbre they have together. A clip on the breath of timbre from different vintage PAF sets would be great too.
@kramerproaxe18955 жыл бұрын
Doug, I hear the same as you, internal wire sounds more open in the bottom, a little less snap in the treble. External wire, a bitter tighter overall with sharp attack on treble. I agree with Keith Blair (below), you need to drive the amp harder. With the internal wire, a larger air gap exists, thus allowing slightly more internal coil vibration. The way to excite the coil is through the turning up the volume on the amp until feedback. Jon, I bet if you test this hypothesis the internal wire pickup will feedback slightly sooner than the external wire. Thoughts?
@lennyluzitano89205 жыл бұрын
Yeah ... what you said..... ditto... agreed... Jon .. is.. awesome....
@bryantcrawford2144 жыл бұрын
The internal one has a crisper sound like a microphone and the other one sounds like a acoustic guitar pick up to me.
@dsmith95725 жыл бұрын
Picking angle and position make waaaay more difference than this little wiring change. You would need a "string" driven by a motor and Fourier analysis to quantify how these pickups are different (Probably not at all). Tone doesn't come from the pickups it comes from the player.
@ThroBakChannel5 жыл бұрын
I hope you make that video. My approach has been to use the same player, setup and same phrases. I don’t think you can take the player out of the test. I know of no motor driven system that could approach being useful for a tonal test.
@sisajtegabre5 жыл бұрын
Truth D Smith, actually my friend did thesis back in 2005 and i did some lab tests in 2003 if you have mail will gladly sent them to you but only to use it for personal purpose etc you know and of course you can show that to anyone just avoid makers i wouldn't like that some winder use anything of that to raise a prices even more - due in one thesis we gave free program for testing. Problem with all talk aka what makes and what don't make a difference is that everything is well known, for sure a material have impact but that will depend from a pickup part. You are absolutely right regarding the angle that a pickup, lower it , raise it and that will have larger impact then some ''mythical materials'', 2nd problem is that people learn physic in the school but either they refuse to remember some lessons or simply they have missed class (maybe they didn't went to school at all), 3rd problem is that We never see the real engineers in this industry ( i guess they didn't spent 4-8 years to wind pickups) and above all everything regarding pickups can be proven mathematically and then with test - a real one in lab - so when we find that a martial X have impact Z on the sound further big question can human hear that and above all if impact exists is it noticeable in a real gig situation. If all that would came out s data to some magazine etc then mythical industry would despair, maybe that is why people never see any real evidence in magazines as well as on a producer sites, Cheers.
@sisajtegabre5 жыл бұрын
@@ThroBakChannel truth player is important as well, i wouldn't go so deep to talk about is skin hard soft etc but mechanic of playing, if you like his technique of left and right arm pressure etc all that have impact. You know when people take guitar for ''professional setup'' and some dude do it without thinking about player and set up guitar for let say light touch and put down strings for shredding and when customer try it if he is some old school blues rocker guitar will sound terrible like it wasn't setup-ed corectlly. Strings to have impact nickle, SS etc, pick VS fingers, wood above all doesn't meter how good pickup is if guitar sound like crap on dry without an amp there are no pickups in this world which make it sound amazing. That is why old school players or players with enough experience always test guitar 1st without amp, if it sound great like that it ain't problem latter to find adequate pickups. Differences can be subtle for some people but lo of players will do anything for that one extra 1% that will gave them edge, i believe main factor is player and then equipment of course he can't have amazing sustain on terrible made guitar with terrible pickups and strings etc. Sorry for long comment i came to watch videos regarding those old machines which you did great, it is good that somebody made them, cheers.
@dsmith95725 жыл бұрын
@@sisajtegabre I'm thinking you're never pushing the coils into saturation so you could just mount a tiny magnet on a motor to get a quantifiable response. You're right - it's the myth that costs so much.
@markgrimm35644 жыл бұрын
what guage is that wire and is it any special insulation on it
@ThroBakChannel4 жыл бұрын
42awg PE.
@GibsonLesPaul22735 жыл бұрын
Theres a clear difference to my ears, its funny before I saw this I always wondered if there was some gap in those first PAF's or maybe they started off with thinner/thicker wire and finished with 42 gauge. How did you find out about the start wire?
@JJ31366 жыл бұрын
I agree, there is a slight difference
@rnemchev6 жыл бұрын
There is a difference, PAF's sound is more quacky. So do you make your PAFs using internal wire?
@ThroBakChannel6 жыл бұрын
All ThroBak P.A.F. Repros have an internal start wire which is vintage correct.
@underworld37214 жыл бұрын
The internal wire has a more vintage sound that I hear then the external; I' am thinking it has more wines with a definite treble...they both sound excellent here. "Unpotted PAF". FISCHER ENTERPRIZES.
@6xcchamber971 Жыл бұрын
Internal all the way! Thanks!
@kimhansen63845 жыл бұрын
Very nerdy, but I like it :-) There seems to be a subtle difference, the PAF sounding the best. And then it would make perfectly sense to screw the PU´s directly into the body, like a steel guitar, or to experiment with different solid metal or wood pickup frames.
@johnhowe40796 жыл бұрын
Second video in, subscribed and LOVING this channel. I'd love to work with you, I'll be going to electronics school soon, school again at 38y/old wish me luck.
@ResoBridge6 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, but your sample size is very small so your experiment does not show if the effect is consistent. If you wound lets say 6 with in internal start wires and then 6 without, had someone else identify them with a 'hidden' mark, then hand them to you at random for testing, the result would be more convincing. Of course that is a lot more work. All credit to you for even going this far, you are one of the few (only?) pickup makers who are prepared to, and go to the trouble, of revealing their methods in such detail.
@ThroBakChannel6 жыл бұрын
The internal start wire does make how the coil builds more variable. I suspect a larger sample size would show more tonal consistency with no internal start wire. For this test my goal was to compare the two extremes. A larger sample test would be an interesting exercise.
@ResoBridge6 жыл бұрын
I think perhaps you are trying to wind me up Wozzlepop. Saying Mr Gundry's excellent videos are 'tongue in cheek' implies he is not serious or is making a joke. I don't think this is the case and found his reply to my comment both serious and informative. The problem that everyone that posts comparison videos on KZbin has is that, a full blown blind test is both very time consuming and boring. As I said, Mr Gundry deserves a lot of credit for even going this far.
@redcatstw Жыл бұрын
I wonder how it would sound after waxing?
@Relayer6a3 жыл бұрын
You should do a vid with all the differences A.B between two PUP's. And if you read this. Seems like some of the other (admittedly smaller) PUP makers on You Tube want to make it all about the PUP and associated hardware like bridge, saddle, pots, caps, etc... Like you could literally buy a
@CyclopsGuitars86422 жыл бұрын
I agree there is a difference
@jamescopeland535825 күн бұрын
I agree
@elvislives-gl4rv4 жыл бұрын
Interesting, but the difference is negligible. Any output, clarity or tone differences here could be cancelled by a tiny movement of a pedal or amp knob. Thanks.
@patfurlan3 жыл бұрын
the internal start wire has lower pitched tap ... and sounds way more woody
@daveanderson56805 жыл бұрын
I think the internal SL PAF has more “quack”
@colasko8006 Жыл бұрын
I heard the same thing you did.
@Fabaoguitarbrazil Жыл бұрын
Did I see it right? The machine is showing 2478 turns.
@ThroBakChannel Жыл бұрын
You are correct. The actual turn count is 2X the reading on the counter.
@swampdog15925 жыл бұрын
Subtle but its there especially with studio headphones
@davidsigglekow1349 Жыл бұрын
I hear a freaking difference, and I love the internal wire sound rather than…………
@kenturmon94282 жыл бұрын
Internal def did sound nicer to my ears.
@lennyluzitano89205 жыл бұрын
thanks great video you are a rock star..... rocket guitar scientist.... genius.... pit bull pin point accurate precise kind of person... pb.pp.ap.kop...... thank you kind sir..... much respect..... to you bro