Palamedes' "treason"

[@WolfyTheWitch]

By Hyginus's account, Odysseus never forgave Palamedes for ruining his attempt to stay out of the Trojan War. When Palamedes advised the Greeks to return home, Odysseus hid gold in his tent and wrote a fake letter purportedly from Priam. Thus Palamedes was accused of treason and stoned to death by the Greeks.

[@alexread00]

And that causes more troubles in the future but I can blame Odysseus, I wouldn't like to have to leave my family to go to war.

[@sparklefall687]

I mean, looking at all that happened afterwards, bro had a pretty good reason to be mad

[@allyshazaelani5130]

😦

[@kathrynblakeley9823]

I know I should be more concerned and not support death by military stoning execution created by false evidence but Odyssey did not want to deal with this and Palamedes decided to enforce the oath thereby dragging odysseus into this. Making Odysseus his enemy not a smart move. Why would you take on the man who built his own palace, pretended to act crazy so we didn’t have to go to war and essentially came up with this whole pact to get an introduction to Penelope!

[@WolfyTheWitch]

​@@kathrynblakeley9823it's an unfortunate cycle because by killing Palamedes, they made an enemy of his father, which does not end well for anyone

[@foxbytheriver]

Odysseus: I will miss my son's next 19 birthdays so take a wild frickin guess how many rocks Imma throw at you Take a wild frickin guess

[@youknow2145]

LMAOOO yeah he would say that

[@Krowos]

I guess 19 rocks 🥺

[@hopeinvoked1822]

​@@youknow2145 Now you have 19 likes 😂

[@purplepedantry]

​@@Krowos 19. And if that doesn't work, 190.

[@IronycheinPain]

@@hopeinvoked1822 itss very funny knowing your like count

[@vibechecker3168]

Palamedes: “You made this alliance, you’re coming with us!” ~Odysseus will remember that~

[@Mathew-cj7yd]

Palmedes : "I'm also gonna threaten the life of you kid just to ensure you come." ~Odysseus will remember that~

[@adeleaslan8182]

@@Mathew-cj7yd is this in the myth of the musical? Because I thought Agamemnon threatened his son

[@Mathew-cj7yd]

@@adeleaslan8182 well I saw both versions, either Palmedes or Agamemnon himself : in both, to test Odysseus' sanity in order to verify if he trully is insane, the respective arsehole put Telemachaus in front of him to see if he would trample his own son (wich of course he doesn't), that creates a ressentment that Odysseos will keep to himself until, in the Palmedes version, he frames Pal for treason by planting false evidences in his tent. Either way, this story not being made by Homer, it has multiple versions.

[@Sifya]

Pal isn't a very smart man if thought messing up with man knowked to be a tricker was a good idea

[@Mathew-cj7yd]

​@@Sifya It's for this exact reason he did not believed in Ody's madness, thus turning to extreme measures to ensure he comes. Also he's a coward who wanted to return in Greece after a few years, and Ody did not like that.

[@crowruffles]

i adore odysseus' sly pose, diomedes is just standing normally while he has his legs crossed and all, it really shows his personality :3

[@tumblingartist]

IKR!! It emphasizes the mood a lot

[@actuallyAtlas1989]

He gets it from his great grandpa ❤

[@blue_phenix1364]

@@actuallyAtlas1989 he DOES you're SO RIGHT

[@apocalypse2072]

Love that you gave Diomedes so many scars, because yeah! He may be Odysseus’s partner in sneaky crime, but he was also tearing through the frontlines!

[@LadyElianaWatertonofCree-tg2ht]

YASSS

[@kahonched8079]

Diomedes: you did something didn't you? Odysseus: nnnope

[@niveslee4590]

Their relationship in a nutshell lol

[@valhallen338]

I love the sense of simultaneous vengeance but also the stilted, emotionless edge to Ody's expression here. It really emphasizes how, despite the raw pain that Palamedes has caused him, he's truly just too tired to enjoy the revenge as much as its an obligation, something to do because its on his list. Because for all his problems, Palamedes is one of the least among them

[@spectre9340]

Their barely-there expressions really showcase the "You're getting what you deserve" energy really well

[@potestas518]

I am going insane over Diomedes rn, hes such an underrated figure in ancient Greek stories. HE STABBED TWO GODS AND SENT THEM BOTH CRYING BACK TO MOUNT OLYMPUS GODDAMMIT, GIVE HIM SOME LOVE

[@kalashnikova4748]

I researched abt him when I saw this comment and he instantly became my fav

[@tumblingartist]

HOLY CARP- he’s so cool

[@LadyElianaWatertonofCreekshire]

IKRRR HE WAS MY FAVORITE CHARCATER IN THE ILLIAD. (after Hector)

[@DrewFilms05]

Two? I know of Ares, who else are you referring to? Ik he also shot Aphrodite through the wrist when she attempted to rescue Aeneus but idk if that's who you mean.

[@LadyElianaWatertonofCree-tg2ht]

EXACTLY

[@twistedmyth5860]

Honestly, considering what he went through during the Odyssey, I bet Odysseus wishes he got some more stone throws out of this.

[@lazyspade1559]

Did the stoning take place before or after the odyssey?

[@deminoice9688]

​@lazyspade1559 It takes place in the illiad which is before the odyssey

[@lazyspade1559]

@@deminoice9688 thank

[@mixaliskouridis958]

Everyone: having inciteful discussions and/or meming about Odysseus Me: hot DAMN Diomedes be looking fiiine

[@LadyElianaWatertonofCree-tg2ht]

lol. he DO be looking fine tho.

[@geneticdriftwood]

Watching for like the 15th time, I’m struck by how almost bored diomedes looks with the whole thing, how little setting this guy up to die means to him! Like yeah, he’s helping ody who has a grudge for a reason, but the nonchalant attitude is so perfect. We love deeply morally gray characters!!

[@schmad2048]

I really love how semi-expressionless Odysseus is. Like knowing what he did was messed up but he just doesn't care. He's been stewing in his anger at Palamedes for years and despised him for what he did. (Ody probably couldn't even see Palamedes as anyone other than "the guy who endangered my child and made me leave home") I think it's funny af that Palamedes' dad went around trying to fuck with the other king's kingdoms and it worked as most of their wives had affairs but then you have Penelope, the WIFE of the guy who set your son up to get murdered, and she wasn't buying it. Got revenge on all the kings except for the one who was truly responsible because his wife was too cool. "You're telling me, my husband, the embodiment of simping, is going to replace me? When he knows I'm the best thing that ever happened to him? Get out."

[@fictional-girl_05]

I'm dying over Odysseus being referred to as "the embodiment of simping" because it's so true-

[@schmad2048]

@@fictional-girl_05 What can I say, she knows her man 🤷‍♀

[@WolfyTheWitch]

Well he did convince Odysseus' mom that Odysseus died at war, cause her to die of grief

[@schmad2048]

@@WolfyTheWitch I DIDN'T KNOW NAUPLIUS WAS PARTIALLY THE REASON WHY ANTICLEA DIED! I thought it was just her believing it after it's been so long. Was it mentioned in the Odyssey??? I mean makes sense, and Nauplius technically got SOME revenge. He can't suddenly flip-flop from "oh did I say he was bringing home a new wife? I meant to say he's actually dead." to Penelope, as it would just prove he was making it all up. So he just went to the rest of his family to try and convince them of something that would cause them pain instead. Probably part of the reason why Penelope knew Odysseus was still alive, as she knew everything Nauplius said was bullshit.

[@Thomazbr]

Nauplius did fuck a lot of people in revenge tho. Basically made Odysseus mom kill herself, cucked Diomedes and Idomeneus out of their thrones and signed the death warrant of Agamenmon and just killed hundreds and hundreds of greeks at sea I think he did a pretty good job at vengeance all things considered

[@makaniwebb9358]

Diomedes kind of looks like he's thinking something like, 'Well, you did it. Sure that was the right move?.' In a bored tone despite being an accomplice and doing absolutely nothing to stop Odysseus.

[@annawesometheflameingpikac3688]

I love how fucked up Odysseus can be

[@imarock8763]

The greek ammiright?

[@liveadhdtv]

One of the reasons I have to dissociate a little bit when I listen to Epic the musical. A major liberty the musical takes is showing Mercy and Ruthlessness as diametrically opposed themes with regard to Odysseus. Love the story and music but hot damn is it different

[@LadyElianaWatertonofCree-tg2ht]

@@imarock8763 they're ALL greeks in the vid lol

[@garretthildebrandt428]

So he was _always_ ruthless.

[@Sky-ob3jb]

EPIC THE MUSICAL REFERENCE???

[@nara9404]

Yeah, he just became a 'not' because of polities

[@CiaLaVirago]

In the poems, yes, he was always morally grey and ready to cut people down if they stood in the way of what he wanted.

[@johnmartin4119]

Odysseus: I've done some bad things in my life, Palamedes... Things I'm not proud of. I promised someone I love very much that I would never go back to being that person... But for you, I'll make an exception.

[@LadyElianaWatertonofCree-tg2ht]

that person was Penelope

[@charbird20]

Oh MY GOD!!! This clip from Cell Block Tango has also been scratching at my brain for WEEKS! This is so amazing! It’s better than what my mind could ever imagine. AND DIO BEING IN ON IT OR AT LEAST KNOWING??? *chef’s kiss* perfection

[@WolfyTheWitch]

In some versions he actually helps Odysseus drown Palamedes (notably a different death from stoning)! So I wanted to do a little nod at that haha

[@charbird20]

@@WolfyTheWitch I know about that one, too, and it’s also really fascinating to me! So my brain has decided to combine the two versions, and have Dio know about the plot and cover for Ody if anyone were to get suspicious.

[@tumblingartist]

OOOOOH

[@saltenzy449]

​@@WolfyTheWitchwait a minute. There's a version where Palamedes, a likely grandson of Poseidon, was executed by forced drowning? WHAT?????? Is the goal to be personally impaled by Poseidon's trident? Because that's how you make that a certainty.

[@LadyElianaWatertonofCree-tg2ht]

@@saltenzy449 IKR

[@NilaanSn]

One of the reasons Odysseus wanted to stay out of the war was due to a prophecy that said if he went to troy, he will not return for a long frickin time

[@fictional-girl_05]

This is why you don't mess with Odysseus

[@redacted5078]

I love how cunty Illiad Odysseus is. I wouldnt trust him but i respect the hustle

[@zkkitty2436]

Call me a weak kneed bitch bc one look at those curls and I’m gone

[@Emily-qb6ke]

I love his character in the Iliad. By far my favorite but I would never trust the man.

[@itsnowonder9856]

Odysseus is my favourite greek hero, and one i could rant about for days. If I saw him walking down the sake street as me, I'd call a taxi to get me the fuck out of there.

[@eyesleerage64]

i read up more about his involvement in the iliad and ur right, i honestly can't think of a better word to describe him in it

[@LadyElianaWatertonofCree-tg2ht]

@@itsnowonder9856 ikr same

[@AyameFyuu]

Don't threaten Odysseus kid just because you want to force him into a war. That was Palamedes mistake thinking that he wouldn't hold resentment. It one thing to call out the BS it another to purposely put a kid life in danger to prove the point. Soooo can kinda understand Odysseus wanting revenge for that.

[@geneticdriftwood]

This is INCREDIBLE. I absolutely love ody and dio’s scarily casual, nonchalant poses, they’re terrifyingly unbothered by it. Fucking perfect music choice

[@clouddd8053]

can i just meantion how glad i am for all these animatics bc im on a homer's writings kick and these r single handedly the best part of my day

[@TheYellowBlade]

I was not expecting to hear Chicago today but here we are.

[@crystalkatsuka]

No ones gonna talk about Odysseus's crossed leg stand? Ok!

[@morganmurner1581]

With “pals” like these, who needs enemies

[@noodlesxd1795]

Palamedes looks way sicker than I imagined-

[@iliketea1427]

First les mis, then the count of Monte Cristo, now Chicago? I wonder what musical is next for our Trojan War saga... Hmmm... * casually pretends like I don't already have a wishlist of musicals *

[@RajuSnow]

omg THE LIGHTING!!! ❤❤

[@yurig9832]

RIP Palamedes, the ultimate sufferer from success

[@speedyhorse8957]

Thanks for the context! I absolutely loved this one, and the use of cell block tango is the absolute best. Love, love, love the dramatic lighting, so beautiful and perfect. Love your work as always, i can never get enough of it. :P

[@hector9161]

THIS IS INCREDIBLE

[@Indigo_Shard]

How many times have you- Me: Yes

[@skydragon6943]

The lighting makes my brain happy :D!

[@228comen]

Cell block tango and Odyssey 🤨🤨🤨 Something I haven't expected but still delighted

[@steohim]

the dio and ody character designs,,,,, gnaws on them

[@izabell2893]

Ugh bro why does this look sooo tasty?! I love how all the characters look!! ❤ And don’t even get me started on the lighting 😩🙏

[@Samara0-0Ray]

Id also be out for the person who tore me away from my beloved wife and newly born son

[@FluffeeSMASH]

In fairness to him, the whole “pact to support and protect Helen’s marriage” was Odysseus’s idea, so there’s a level of “Well your scheme got us all dragged into this war, you’re not sitting it out.”

[@locusta-bw2vd]

@@FluffeeSMASH When Odysseus proposed the oath of protecting Helen's marriage, circumstances were different. He wasn't married to Penelope yet. He didn't have a family. And he couldn't imagine that some Trojan (Paris) would appear and steal Helen. He thought the oath would be enough to prevent other Greeks from attempting anything with Helen after she got married. Things changed later. He didn't want to leave for Troy when he had a wife and a newly born son.

[@MirantiMentari4]

​@@locusta-bw2vdStill didn't change the fact that it was indeed Ody scheme that dragged everyone to the battle. I love Ody but I never deny that he's indeed one of the people who was responsible because he's the one who was proposing the whole pact things.

[@reaxoxome]

woah this part of cell block tango also reminded me of palamedes and odysseus, this is amazing and i want to eat the lighting

[@auntieguac5817]

i love cell block tango, i love animations, i love mythology, and i LOVE THIS

[@jellyg00bersdayoff]

you know..Medea would be REAAAALLLLY good with this audio *wink* *wink*

[@hyouart2883]

The lighting omg the atmosphere wahhhh its so amazing

[@briannadesrochers679]

This was amazing. Thank you for making this.

[@tired_and_bored_nerd]

I WANT TO EAT YOUR ART STYLE!!! i feel like i could just gobble it up and it would have the flavor and texture of a lemon bar

[@starrrr444]

Don't forget the sprinkles :D

[@brokenmir5164]

Now this is my favourite youtube short-

[@Herttuanpalatsi]

In love with the lighting and story, its so epic

[@MilkyFoxies]

Oh god, they just partners in crime and i love it👀

[@sandraieremiah7710]

The lighting is gorgeous, I'm so captivated 😮❤

[@ToastedBoba-ww5ow]

I love this audio so much

[@gracemlachak4717]

This is my favorite video on the internet

[@Thomsn_Gazelle]

I KNEW THAT ARTSTYLE OMG I DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD A YT CHANNEL.

[@bluewolf6323]

Greek mythology animations?! Not helping my fixation and I don't care!! This is beautiful!!!

[@SophieNash-zi7td]

This is one of my favourite myths!

[@unintellible]

this is really kool , but I cant decide between both parties, as Odysseus was being cruel but had a reason to avoid the war, but Palamedes I feel was just doing his job(?)…. ill probably edit this later

[@geomeopeoleo1740]

Yeah I really don’t see how selling out Odysseus for a war equals getting stoned to death. It doesn’t make sense to me either

[@WolfyTheWitch]

In many versions he does threaten Odysseus' infant son to get him to comply/cease his tricks so it's a biiit more understandable. But still a pretty rough move haha

[@unintellible]

@@WolfyTheWitch yeah thats understandable.

[@FluffeeSMASH]

@@WolfyTheWitch The pact to protect the marriage of Helen that dragged everyone into the war was Odysseus’s idea. I can’t Palamedes for being like “You got us all into this, you are not sitting it out.”

[@helenlight9864]

YES, A NEW ANIMATION FROM OUR FAVORITE ARTIST! I'm sick, and you've lifted my spirits, thank you :> To be honest, I would do the same as Odysseus - I could forgive the call to war, but not put my child's life in danger. 10 years of war, murder and away from home...I understand Odysseus and accept his decision. Besides, Palamed managed to gain more influence in the army, and this is just politics. In all this, the blood of Hermes is guessed, even in the pose of Odysseus.

[@Hybridcrows]

Odysseus standing like that >>>>>

[@Jason.todd.arkham]

Look how SMOOOOTH that animation is

[@fluffycat2728]

THIS IS SO AMAZING AND PERFECT WHAT

[@DogseatDogs]

Now I want to see the night raid by Odysseus and Diomedes!

[@eitakou]

I aspire to have your skill and ability to animate* your creative ideas well AND THOSE BODY TYPES AND FEATURES GAWD DAYUM 👀👀✨

[@annoyingdog9666]

The song is cell block tango from chicago

[@dragonking1097]

Something tells me Wolfy here has been watching See U in History.

[@levisasimp2757]

This is amazing!

[@sumomo2236]

Their expressions ae amazing

[@Savagewolver]

Refresh my memory. How bad was Palamedes? He couldn’t have been as bad as Agamemnon.

[@WolfyTheWitch]

He wasn't like Bad Bad. Pretty smart actually! Invented dice and numbers and letters. What he did, unfortunately, was to see through Odysseus' ruse (pretending to go insane to avoid the war) and threatened his infant son to get Odysseus to stop committing to the bit

[@Savagewolver]

@@WolfyTheWitch oh. So, I’m short, it’s really his fault he got dragged into this mess. Yes, Odysseus was being something of a baby trying to weasel out of an oath he took, but still this dude was a jerk for involving the kid.

[@WolfyTheWitch]

@@Savagewolver yeah but I can't blame the guy Haha. It was prophesied that if Odysseus left for war, it would take him twenty years to come home (I forget if twenty was specified, but it was prophesied to be a long long time)

[@DogseatDogs]

​@@WolfyTheWitch Also, he set up the whole deal without expecting some Trojan prince to ruin it. And how could he?! When Aphrodite herself helped the whole affair along?! Really, he had the best cause to refuse because Paris was being an idiot.

[@mado-wh4jv]

He wasn't bad at all, his only crime was to call out Odysseus bullshit proving he was sane and capable of going to the war HE was indirectly responsible for, by putting his baby son in the way he was riding mindlessly. The risk was killing Odysseus son, but he was certain that Odysseus was lying about his madness. His death was unfair, then his dad in revenge spread the news of the crimes the greeks were commiting in war and how many concubines they were hoarding to their wives, which ironically didn't affect Odysseus, the man who set the fake evidence to get him killed.

[@thermalnuclearwar]

Diomedes: did you plant the evidence Odysseus: no never of course not. but if I did I would regret nothing

[@poinkz_]

OH MY GOD???? SOMEONE WHO USES THIS SONG1!1!

[@abbyisntsleepy4349]

Love this song sm

[@shadowcat5939]

In fairness he did put his infant son in the path of a plow to prove he wasn't insane I'd be big mad too 😅

[@melancye]

love your style!!!

[@PenPen-xy3xd]

CHICAGOO!!! dude I love Chicago so much

[@buggymah]

Okay but this audio also belongs to Clytemnestra

[@Foofle]

AH THIS IS GREAT-

[@Chavela259]

CHICAGO!!!! CELL BLOCK TANGO!!!!

[@soph9440]

I LOVE THISS

[@dj0thedemigod]

It a good loop. I didn't realize it started again.

[@wu_ming205]

omg i love this song

[@delfinal7560]

I absolutely love your art.

[@z0bi_]

i love the lighting 😍

[@Tesco_clubcard544]

Chicago fans… …assemble

[@juanig4198]

Give the old razzle dazzle

[@Tesco_clubcard544]

@@juanig4198 razzle dazzle ‘em

[@Seabicycle291]

Shit they found my private chat

[@XxKennaxxX]

CHICAGO. OMG-

[@ferxv6941]

No entiendo mucho que esta pasando pero se ve increíble 😮😮

[@pooferfloofer]

CHICAGO

[@aesommer-]

I thought this was about Palamedes from Arthurian Legend at first

[@biseragjurovska1998]

Love this

[@sebastianwinter]

why i think about judas...

[@MagicaPungu]

Woow your style 😮😮✨️

[@FairFeline]

CHICAGO YESSS

[@ThatOneArchivist]

Hamilton fan artstyle /pos

[@SIMPLY_GJ]

Odysseus was p!ssed 😭✋🏽

[@Miles_Phantasmagoria]

He’s so babygirl...

[@HYAC1NTHUS]

OOO THINGS R GOING DOWN

[@catroe]

I loved that fucking movie

[@knightfall0153]

I wonder if this will be in Epic

[@noneyabusiness3239]

Why did I think this was a Bible story with Judas selling Jesus 😭

[@UrielSeptim456]

That's because It looks like it. with him throwing the money back at him.

[@user-jv1qs4ep1p]

I hate him sm for setting up Palamedes. Like you made that oath dude, don't kill other people because they hold you accountable to a war you pretty much helped start.

[@christiandidonna8808]

Hey I know this song I’m in a production of it

[@IRIS-1739]

What’s the name of the song? Also great animation ❤

[@juanig4198]

cell block tango from a musical called chicago

[@IRIS-1739]

Tysm

[@bannanamicammel1436]

@@juanig4198do you know what it’s mixed with? I can hear another song there, I just don’t know what it is…