By Hyginus's account, Odysseus never forgave Palamedes for ruining his attempt to stay out of the Trojan War. When Palamedes advised the Greeks to return home, Odysseus hid gold in his tent and wrote a fake letter purportedly from Priam. Thus Palamedes was accused of treason and stoned to death by the Greeks.
@alexread0011 ай бұрын
And that causes more troubles in the future but I can blame Odysseus, I wouldn't like to have to leave my family to go to war.
@sparklefall68711 ай бұрын
I mean, looking at all that happened afterwards, bro had a pretty good reason to be mad
@allyshazaelani513011 ай бұрын
😦
@kathrynblakeley982311 ай бұрын
I know I should be more concerned and not support death by military stoning execution created by false evidence but Odyssey did not want to deal with this and Palamedes decided to enforce the oath thereby dragging odysseus into this. Making Odysseus his enemy not a smart move. Why would you take on the man who built his own palace, pretended to act crazy so we didn’t have to go to war and essentially came up with this whole pact to get an introduction to Penelope!
@WolfyTheWitch11 ай бұрын
@@kathrynblakeley9823it's an unfortunate cycle because by killing Palamedes, they made an enemy of his father, which does not end well for anyone
@foxbytheriver11 ай бұрын
Odysseus: I will miss my son's next 19 birthdays so take a wild frickin guess how many rocks Imma throw at you Take a wild frickin guess
@youknow214511 ай бұрын
LMAOOO yeah he would say that
@Krowos10 ай бұрын
I guess 19 rocks 🥺
@hopeinvoked182210 ай бұрын
@@youknow2145 Now you have 19 likes 😂
@purplepedantry9 ай бұрын
@@Krowos 19. And if that doesn't work, 190.
@IronycheinPain9 ай бұрын
@@hopeinvoked1822 itss very funny knowing your like count
@vibechecker316811 ай бұрын
Palamedes: “You made this alliance, you’re coming with us!” ~Odysseus will remember that~
@Mathew-cj7yd11 ай бұрын
Palmedes : "I'm also gonna threaten the life of you kid just to ensure you come." ~Odysseus will remember that~
@adeleaslan818210 ай бұрын
@@Mathew-cj7yd is this in the myth of the musical? Because I thought Agamemnon threatened his son
@Mathew-cj7yd10 ай бұрын
@@adeleaslan8182 well I saw both versions, either Palmedes or Agamemnon himself : in both, to test Odysseus' sanity in order to verify if he trully is insane, the respective arsehole put Telemachaus in front of him to see if he would trample his own son (wich of course he doesn't), that creates a ressentment that Odysseos will keep to himself until, in the Palmedes version, he frames Pal for treason by planting false evidences in his tent. Either way, this story not being made by Homer, it has multiple versions.
@Sifya10 ай бұрын
Pal isn't a very smart man if thought messing up with man knowked to be a tricker was a good idea
@Mathew-cj7yd8 ай бұрын
@@Sifya It's for this exact reason he did not believed in Ody's madness, thus turning to extreme measures to ensure he comes. Also he's a coward who wanted to return in Greece after a few years, and Ody did not like that.
@crowruffles11 ай бұрын
i adore odysseus' sly pose, diomedes is just standing normally while he has his legs crossed and all, it really shows his personality :3
@tumblingartist11 ай бұрын
IKR!! It emphasizes the mood a lot
@actuallyAtlas19894 ай бұрын
He gets it from his great grandpa ❤
@blue_phenix1364Ай бұрын
@@actuallyAtlas1989 he DOES you're SO RIGHT
@apocalypse207211 ай бұрын
Love that you gave Diomedes so many scars, because yeah! He may be Odysseus’s partner in sneaky crime, but he was also tearing through the frontlines!
@LadyElianaWatertonofCree-tg2htАй бұрын
YASSS
@kahonched80794 ай бұрын
Diomedes: you did something didn't you? Odysseus: nnnope
@niveslee45903 ай бұрын
Their relationship in a nutshell lol
@valhallen33810 ай бұрын
I love the sense of simultaneous vengeance but also the stilted, emotionless edge to Ody's expression here. It really emphasizes how, despite the raw pain that Palamedes has caused him, he's truly just too tired to enjoy the revenge as much as its an obligation, something to do because its on his list. Because for all his problems, Palamedes is one of the least among them
@spectre934011 ай бұрын
Their barely-there expressions really showcase the "You're getting what you deserve" energy really well
@potestas51811 ай бұрын
I am going insane over Diomedes rn, hes such an underrated figure in ancient Greek stories. HE STABBED TWO GODS AND SENT THEM BOTH CRYING BACK TO MOUNT OLYMPUS GODDAMMIT, GIVE HIM SOME LOVE
@kalashnikova474810 ай бұрын
I researched abt him when I saw this comment and he instantly became my fav
@tumblingartist10 ай бұрын
HOLY CARP- he’s so cool
@LadyElianaWatertonofCreekshire5 ай бұрын
IKRRR HE WAS MY FAVORITE CHARCATER IN THE ILLIAD. (after Hector)
@DrewFilms052 ай бұрын
Two? I know of Ares, who else are you referring to? Ik he also shot Aphrodite through the wrist when she attempted to rescue Aeneus but idk if that's who you mean.
@LadyElianaWatertonofCree-tg2htАй бұрын
EXACTLY
@twistedmyth58602 ай бұрын
Honestly, considering what he went through during the Odyssey, I bet Odysseus wishes he got some more stone throws out of this.
@lazyspade1559Ай бұрын
Did the stoning take place before or after the odyssey?
@deminoice9688Ай бұрын
@lazyspade1559 It takes place in the illiad which is before the odyssey
@lazyspade1559Ай бұрын
@@deminoice9688 thank
@mixaliskouridis95811 ай бұрын
Everyone: having inciteful discussions and/or meming about Odysseus Me: hot DAMN Diomedes be looking fiiine
@LadyElianaWatertonofCree-tg2htАй бұрын
lol. he DO be looking fine tho.
@geneticdriftwood11 ай бұрын
Watching for like the 15th time, I’m struck by how almost bored diomedes looks with the whole thing, how little setting this guy up to die means to him! Like yeah, he’s helping ody who has a grudge for a reason, but the nonchalant attitude is so perfect. We love deeply morally gray characters!!
@schmad204811 ай бұрын
I really love how semi-expressionless Odysseus is. Like knowing what he did was messed up but he just doesn't care. He's been stewing in his anger at Palamedes for years and despised him for what he did. (Ody probably couldn't even see Palamedes as anyone other than "the guy who endangered my child and made me leave home") I think it's funny af that Palamedes' dad went around trying to fuck with the other king's kingdoms and it worked as most of their wives had affairs but then you have Penelope, the WIFE of the guy who set your son up to get murdered, and she wasn't buying it. Got revenge on all the kings except for the one who was truly responsible because his wife was too cool. "You're telling me, my husband, the embodiment of simping, is going to replace me? When he knows I'm the best thing that ever happened to him? Get out."
@fictional-girl_0511 ай бұрын
I'm dying over Odysseus being referred to as "the embodiment of simping" because it's so true-
@schmad204811 ай бұрын
@@fictional-girl_05 What can I say, she knows her man 🤷♀
@WolfyTheWitch11 ай бұрын
Well he did convince Odysseus' mom that Odysseus died at war, cause her to die of grief
@schmad204811 ай бұрын
@@WolfyTheWitch I DIDN'T KNOW NAUPLIUS WAS PARTIALLY THE REASON WHY ANTICLEA DIED! I thought it was just her believing it after it's been so long. Was it mentioned in the Odyssey??? I mean makes sense, and Nauplius technically got SOME revenge. He can't suddenly flip-flop from "oh did I say he was bringing home a new wife? I meant to say he's actually dead." to Penelope, as it would just prove he was making it all up. So he just went to the rest of his family to try and convince them of something that would cause them pain instead. Probably part of the reason why Penelope knew Odysseus was still alive, as she knew everything Nauplius said was bullshit.
@Thomazbr8 ай бұрын
Nauplius did fuck a lot of people in revenge tho. Basically made Odysseus mom kill herself, cucked Diomedes and Idomeneus out of their thrones and signed the death warrant of Agamenmon and just killed hundreds and hundreds of greeks at sea I think he did a pretty good job at vengeance all things considered
@makaniwebb935810 ай бұрын
Diomedes kind of looks like he's thinking something like, 'Well, you did it. Sure that was the right move?.' In a bored tone despite being an accomplice and doing absolutely nothing to stop Odysseus.
@annawesometheflameingpikac36883 ай бұрын
I love how fucked up Odysseus can be
@imarock87633 ай бұрын
The greek ammiright?
@liveadhdtvАй бұрын
One of the reasons I have to dissociate a little bit when I listen to Epic the musical. A major liberty the musical takes is showing Mercy and Ruthlessness as diametrically opposed themes with regard to Odysseus. Love the story and music but hot damn is it different
@LadyElianaWatertonofCree-tg2htАй бұрын
@@imarock8763 they're ALL greeks in the vid lol
@garretthildebrandt428Ай бұрын
So he was _always_ ruthless.
@Sky-ob3jbАй бұрын
EPIC THE MUSICAL REFERENCE???
@nara9404Ай бұрын
Yeah, he just became a 'not' because of polities
@CiaLaVirago3 күн бұрын
In the poems, yes, he was always morally grey and ready to cut people down if they stood in the way of what he wanted.
@johnmartin41192 ай бұрын
Odysseus: I've done some bad things in my life, Palamedes... Things I'm not proud of. I promised someone I love very much that I would never go back to being that person... But for you, I'll make an exception.
@LadyElianaWatertonofCree-tg2htАй бұрын
that person was Penelope
@charbird2011 ай бұрын
Oh MY GOD!!! This clip from Cell Block Tango has also been scratching at my brain for WEEKS! This is so amazing! It’s better than what my mind could ever imagine. AND DIO BEING IN ON IT OR AT LEAST KNOWING??? *chef’s kiss* perfection
@WolfyTheWitch11 ай бұрын
In some versions he actually helps Odysseus drown Palamedes (notably a different death from stoning)! So I wanted to do a little nod at that haha
@charbird2011 ай бұрын
@@WolfyTheWitch I know about that one, too, and it’s also really fascinating to me! So my brain has decided to combine the two versions, and have Dio know about the plot and cover for Ody if anyone were to get suspicious.
@tumblingartist11 ай бұрын
OOOOOH
@saltenzy44910 ай бұрын
@@WolfyTheWitchwait a minute. There's a version where Palamedes, a likely grandson of Poseidon, was executed by forced drowning? WHAT?????? Is the goal to be personally impaled by Poseidon's trident? Because that's how you make that a certainty.
@LadyElianaWatertonofCree-tg2htАй бұрын
@@saltenzy449 IKR
@NilaanSnАй бұрын
One of the reasons Odysseus wanted to stay out of the war was due to a prophecy that said if he went to troy, he will not return for a long frickin time
@fictional-girl_0511 ай бұрын
This is why you don't mess with Odysseus
@redacted507811 ай бұрын
I love how cunty Illiad Odysseus is. I wouldnt trust him but i respect the hustle
@zkkitty24367 ай бұрын
Call me a weak kneed bitch bc one look at those curls and I’m gone
@Emily-qb6ke3 ай бұрын
I love his character in the Iliad. By far my favorite but I would never trust the man.
@itsnowonder98563 ай бұрын
Odysseus is my favourite greek hero, and one i could rant about for days. If I saw him walking down the sake street as me, I'd call a taxi to get me the fuck out of there.
@eyesleerage642 ай бұрын
i read up more about his involvement in the iliad and ur right, i honestly can't think of a better word to describe him in it
@LadyElianaWatertonofCree-tg2htАй бұрын
@@itsnowonder9856 ikr same
@AyameFyuu5 ай бұрын
Don't threaten Odysseus kid just because you want to force him into a war. That was Palamedes mistake thinking that he wouldn't hold resentment. It one thing to call out the BS it another to purposely put a kid life in danger to prove the point. Soooo can kinda understand Odysseus wanting revenge for that.
@geneticdriftwood11 ай бұрын
This is INCREDIBLE. I absolutely love ody and dio’s scarily casual, nonchalant poses, they’re terrifyingly unbothered by it. Fucking perfect music choice
@clouddd805311 ай бұрын
can i just meantion how glad i am for all these animatics bc im on a homer's writings kick and these r single handedly the best part of my day
@TheYellowBlade11 ай бұрын
I was not expecting to hear Chicago today but here we are.
@crystalkatsuka4 ай бұрын
No ones gonna talk about Odysseus's crossed leg stand? Ok!
@morganmurner158110 ай бұрын
With “pals” like these, who needs enemies
@noodlesxd179511 ай бұрын
Palamedes looks way sicker than I imagined-
@iliketea142711 ай бұрын
First les mis, then the count of Monte Cristo, now Chicago? I wonder what musical is next for our Trojan War saga... Hmmm... * casually pretends like I don't already have a wishlist of musicals *
@RajuSnow11 ай бұрын
omg THE LIGHTING!!! ❤❤
@yurig983211 ай бұрын
RIP Palamedes, the ultimate sufferer from success
@speedyhorse895711 ай бұрын
Thanks for the context! I absolutely loved this one, and the use of cell block tango is the absolute best. Love, love, love the dramatic lighting, so beautiful and perfect. Love your work as always, i can never get enough of it. :P
@hector916111 ай бұрын
THIS IS INCREDIBLE
@Indigo_Shard3 ай бұрын
How many times have you- Me: Yes
@skydragon694311 ай бұрын
The lighting makes my brain happy :D!
@228comen11 ай бұрын
Cell block tango and Odyssey 🤨🤨🤨 Something I haven't expected but still delighted
@steohim11 ай бұрын
the dio and ody character designs,,,,, gnaws on them
@izabell289311 ай бұрын
Ugh bro why does this look sooo tasty?! I love how all the characters look!! ❤ And don’t even get me started on the lighting 😩🙏
@Samara0-0Ray9 ай бұрын
Id also be out for the person who tore me away from my beloved wife and newly born son
@FluffeeSMASH3 ай бұрын
In fairness to him, the whole “pact to support and protect Helen’s marriage” was Odysseus’s idea, so there’s a level of “Well your scheme got us all dragged into this war, you’re not sitting it out.”
@locusta-bw2vd3 ай бұрын
@@FluffeeSMASH When Odysseus proposed the oath of protecting Helen's marriage, circumstances were different. He wasn't married to Penelope yet. He didn't have a family. And he couldn't imagine that some Trojan (Paris) would appear and steal Helen. He thought the oath would be enough to prevent other Greeks from attempting anything with Helen after she got married. Things changed later. He didn't want to leave for Troy when he had a wife and a newly born son.
@MirantiMentari412 сағат бұрын
@@locusta-bw2vdStill didn't change the fact that it was indeed Ody scheme that dragged everyone to the battle. I love Ody but I never deny that he's indeed one of the people who was responsible because he's the one who was proposing the whole pact things.
@reaxoxome11 ай бұрын
woah this part of cell block tango also reminded me of palamedes and odysseus, this is amazing and i want to eat the lighting
@auntieguac58178 ай бұрын
i love cell block tango, i love animations, i love mythology, and i LOVE THIS
@jellyg00bersdayoff4 ай бұрын
you know..Medea would be REAAAALLLLY good with this audio *wink* *wink*
@hyouart28838 ай бұрын
The lighting omg the atmosphere wahhhh its so amazing
@briannadesrochers679Ай бұрын
This was amazing. Thank you for making this.
@tired_and_bored_nerd11 ай бұрын
I WANT TO EAT YOUR ART STYLE!!! i feel like i could just gobble it up and it would have the flavor and texture of a lemon bar
@starrrr44411 ай бұрын
Don't forget the sprinkles :D
@brokenmir516411 ай бұрын
Now this is my favourite youtube short-
@Herttuanpalatsi9 ай бұрын
In love with the lighting and story, its so epic
@MilkyFoxies11 ай бұрын
Oh god, they just partners in crime and i love it👀
@sandraieremiah77107 ай бұрын
The lighting is gorgeous, I'm so captivated 😮❤
@ToastedBoba-ww5ow6 ай бұрын
I love this audio so much
@gracemlachak4717Ай бұрын
This is my favorite video on the internet
@Thomsn_Gazelle4 ай бұрын
I KNEW THAT ARTSTYLE OMG I DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD A YT CHANNEL.
@bluewolf632310 ай бұрын
Greek mythology animations?! Not helping my fixation and I don't care!! This is beautiful!!!
@SophieNash-zi7td2 ай бұрын
This is one of my favourite myths!
@unintellible11 ай бұрын
this is really kool , but I cant decide between both parties, as Odysseus was being cruel but had a reason to avoid the war, but Palamedes I feel was just doing his job(?)…. ill probably edit this later
@geomeopeoleo174011 ай бұрын
Yeah I really don’t see how selling out Odysseus for a war equals getting stoned to death. It doesn’t make sense to me either
@WolfyTheWitch11 ай бұрын
In many versions he does threaten Odysseus' infant son to get him to comply/cease his tricks so it's a biiit more understandable. But still a pretty rough move haha
@unintellible11 ай бұрын
@@WolfyTheWitch yeah thats understandable.
@FluffeeSMASH3 ай бұрын
@@WolfyTheWitch The pact to protect the marriage of Helen that dragged everyone into the war was Odysseus’s idea. I can’t Palamedes for being like “You got us all into this, you are not sitting it out.”
@helenlight986411 ай бұрын
YES, A NEW ANIMATION FROM OUR FAVORITE ARTIST! I'm sick, and you've lifted my spirits, thank you :> To be honest, I would do the same as Odysseus - I could forgive the call to war, but not put my child's life in danger. 10 years of war, murder and away from home...I understand Odysseus and accept his decision. Besides, Palamed managed to gain more influence in the army, and this is just politics. In all this, the blood of Hermes is guessed, even in the pose of Odysseus.
@Hybridcrows9 ай бұрын
Odysseus standing like that >>>>>
@Jason.todd.arkham5 ай бұрын
Look how SMOOOOTH that animation is
@fluffycat27284 ай бұрын
THIS IS SO AMAZING AND PERFECT WHAT
@DogseatDogs10 ай бұрын
Now I want to see the night raid by Odysseus and Diomedes!
@eitakou11 ай бұрын
I aspire to have your skill and ability to animate* your creative ideas well AND THOSE BODY TYPES AND FEATURES GAWD DAYUM 👀👀✨
@annoyingdog96664 ай бұрын
The song is cell block tango from chicago
@dragonking10978 ай бұрын
Something tells me Wolfy here has been watching See U in History.
@levisasimp275710 ай бұрын
This is amazing!
@sumomo223611 ай бұрын
Their expressions ae amazing
@Savagewolver11 ай бұрын
Refresh my memory. How bad was Palamedes? He couldn’t have been as bad as Agamemnon.
@WolfyTheWitch11 ай бұрын
He wasn't like Bad Bad. Pretty smart actually! Invented dice and numbers and letters. What he did, unfortunately, was to see through Odysseus' ruse (pretending to go insane to avoid the war) and threatened his infant son to get Odysseus to stop committing to the bit
@Savagewolver11 ай бұрын
@@WolfyTheWitch oh. So, I’m short, it’s really his fault he got dragged into this mess. Yes, Odysseus was being something of a baby trying to weasel out of an oath he took, but still this dude was a jerk for involving the kid.
@WolfyTheWitch11 ай бұрын
@@Savagewolver yeah but I can't blame the guy Haha. It was prophesied that if Odysseus left for war, it would take him twenty years to come home (I forget if twenty was specified, but it was prophesied to be a long long time)
@DogseatDogs10 ай бұрын
@@WolfyTheWitch Also, he set up the whole deal without expecting some Trojan prince to ruin it. And how could he?! When Aphrodite herself helped the whole affair along?! Really, he had the best cause to refuse because Paris was being an idiot.
@mado-wh4jv4 ай бұрын
He wasn't bad at all, his only crime was to call out Odysseus bullshit proving he was sane and capable of going to the war HE was indirectly responsible for, by putting his baby son in the way he was riding mindlessly. The risk was killing Odysseus son, but he was certain that Odysseus was lying about his madness. His death was unfair, then his dad in revenge spread the news of the crimes the greeks were commiting in war and how many concubines they were hoarding to their wives, which ironically didn't affect Odysseus, the man who set the fake evidence to get him killed.
@thermalnuclearwar21 күн бұрын
Diomedes: did you plant the evidence Odysseus: no never of course not. but if I did I would regret nothing
@poinkz_10 ай бұрын
OH MY GOD???? SOMEONE WHO USES THIS SONG1!1!
@abbyisntsleepy4349Ай бұрын
Love this song sm
@shadowcat593922 күн бұрын
In fairness he did put his infant son in the path of a plow to prove he wasn't insane I'd be big mad too 😅
@melancye11 ай бұрын
love your style!!!
@PenPen-xy3xd4 ай бұрын
CHICAGOO!!! dude I love Chicago so much
@buggymahАй бұрын
Okay but this audio also belongs to Clytemnestra
@Foofle11 ай бұрын
AH THIS IS GREAT-
@Chavela25910 ай бұрын
CHICAGO!!!! CELL BLOCK TANGO!!!!
@soph94409 ай бұрын
I LOVE THISS
@dj0thedemigod9 ай бұрын
It a good loop. I didn't realize it started again.
@wu_ming20511 ай бұрын
omg i love this song
@delfinal756010 ай бұрын
I absolutely love your art.
@z0bi_11 ай бұрын
i love the lighting 😍
@Tesco_clubcard54410 ай бұрын
Chicago fans… …assemble
@juanig419810 ай бұрын
Give the old razzle dazzle
@Tesco_clubcard54410 ай бұрын
@@juanig4198 razzle dazzle ‘em
@Seabicycle29111 ай бұрын
Shit they found my private chat
@XxKennaxxX4 ай бұрын
CHICAGO. OMG-
@ferxv694111 ай бұрын
No entiendo mucho que esta pasando pero se ve increíble 😮😮
@pooferfloofer3 ай бұрын
CHICAGO
@aesommer-2 ай бұрын
I thought this was about Palamedes from Arthurian Legend at first
@biseragjurovska199811 ай бұрын
Love this
@sebastianwinter11 ай бұрын
why i think about judas...
@MagicaPungu7 ай бұрын
Woow your style 😮😮✨️
@FairFeline11 ай бұрын
CHICAGO YESSS
@ThatOneArchivist4 ай бұрын
Hamilton fan artstyle /pos
@SIMPLY_GJ10 ай бұрын
Odysseus was p!ssed 😭✋🏽
@Miles_Phantasmagoria9 ай бұрын
He’s so babygirl...
@HYAC1NTHUS11 ай бұрын
OOO THINGS R GOING DOWN
@catroe10 ай бұрын
I loved that fucking movie
@knightfall015322 күн бұрын
I wonder if this will be in Epic
@noneyabusiness323910 ай бұрын
Why did I think this was a Bible story with Judas selling Jesus 😭
@UrielSeptim4565 ай бұрын
That's because It looks like it. with him throwing the money back at him.
@user-jv1qs4ep1p9 ай бұрын
I hate him sm for setting up Palamedes. Like you made that oath dude, don't kill other people because they hold you accountable to a war you pretty much helped start.
@christiandidonna88085 ай бұрын
Hey I know this song I’m in a production of it
@IRIS-17399 ай бұрын
What’s the name of the song? Also great animation ❤
@juanig41989 ай бұрын
cell block tango from a musical called chicago
@IRIS-17399 ай бұрын
Tysm
@bannanamicammel14364 ай бұрын
@@juanig4198do you know what it’s mixed with? I can hear another song there, I just don’t know what it is…