Paleo Hebrew Ten Commandments in New Mexico: Forged or Ancient?

[@trentlytle7289]

My grandfather used xray absorption techniques to date rock art based off the collection of sun varnish. It would be a good way to accurately date when those carvings were made. They look to me like they were made incredibly recently, like within a century

[@YahLion77]

So Dr Tabor, what is your opinion?

[@jamescromer550]

That's fascinating but I don't think the "paleo hebrew" inscriptions look ancient. Creative Mormon settlers would be my guess.

[@Yohannson]

or ancient mormons...

[@nathandouglas624]

​@@Yohannsonperhaps the new world is in reality, the old? 💨

[@KendraAndTheLaw]

@@Yohannson no such thing as ancient mormons

[@Yohannson]

@@KendraAndTheLaw im not mormon, but i read their book. what makes you conclude their history in the Americas is false?

[@KendraAndTheLaw]

@@Yohannson There's no rational reason to conclude that it's true. And it has many anachronisms and elements of fraud.

[@mwmii790]

This is the Los Lunas decalogue stone. It has both Hebrew and Greek characters on it, has s veral grammarical mistakes, and exhibits characteristics of a much more recent origin. It doesn't match the LDS (Mornon) narrative for several different reasons. Unfortunately, evidence has been destroyed by improper preservation procedures so there is no way to prove or disprove its provenance. It is most likely a forgery or hoax.

[@ianbrailsford5843]

Interesting, but isn't 107BCE a bit late for paleo Hebrew? It was largely replaced by the Aramaic alphabet during the era of Achaemenid domination then by the 3rd century BCE the more recognisable square letter Hebrew script was well established. Unless of course these purported visitors were Samaritans but that's very very specific.

[@VALENT3NE]

Dr. Tabor, Thank you for this absolutely cool video. Valentene

[@Geordie-qz8bs]

Darn those Seventh Day Adventist Mormons!

[@Magplar]

My first thought too was the Mormons. Still not certain though.

[@thumbstruck]

Don't forget that 500 years ago there were many Spanish settlers in New Mexico that were descendants of Conversos, Jewish people forcibly converted to Catholicism.

[@anthonypanneton923]

Who was that young whipper-snapper doing the narration?

[@CKennethBauer]

Dose anyone know how to contact Dr. Tabor for interview requests? I haven’t seen any sources on his media pages, dose he have an agent or publicist? The interview would be based on Revelation 21 and 22, expounding on Dr. Tabors historical view of the two chapters. Thank you.

[@SleepyPotterFan]

Greetings from a Burqueño, Dr. Tabor! It’s rather odd you had posted this since, I kid you not, I’d just opened KZbin to finish off your Bible Prophecy Through the Ages series and find you posting about what’s basically downtown Albuquerque these days! As a biased polytheist, I think the thing that’s most suspicious is, ironically, the same thing that casts doubt on the other Ten Words etiology; a lack of surrounding evidence, just like Sinai lacks evidence of a long term, wandering band of monotheists, my state is also lacking in the same. I chose history, politics, and religious studies, not archeology as such, but I know our region is pretty good at preserving archeological remains. Though we do boast many, MANY wonders, natural and archeological, I’ve never seen anything that suggests this stone represents a wider Hebrew speaking community existing here for the timeframe. Although… the God that turned 70 weeks into 2,400 years can do anything, right? Safeguarding one of the tribes in the Americas wouldn’t even be THAT preposterous.

[@clearskybluewaters]

man I love these types of videos

[@erlinggaratun6726]

In Mormon country? You gotta be kidding me. The only question I have is how elaborate is the hoax?

[@Eli-Eizen]

this forgery should be berried and forget about, so obviouse it is in "paleo hebrew". Any seriouse individual professional historian or amature should not spend any even second on this rubbish. There is more important things to do.

[@HomesteadAlabama]

I lived 30 miles from Los Lunas, and on the top of that mountain , you will find Alters on top with his name Witten just like it is in Psalms scroll. Wounderful place

[@chucklearnslithics3751]

It's vandalism is all it is. I don't care what it says. It is not ancient - historic at best. It's potentially damaging an area of Native American glyphs that are truly ancient, original, and actually deserve to be there.

[@eddyimpanis]

Scott Wolter, a forensic geologist did an analysis of the patina. He did a documentary on it.

[@eddyimpanis]

KZbin censored the link to the source, Google it!

[@billcook7285]

🤔 if it's a joke or an elaborate fake, it was a lot of damn trouble. First of all, they put it in a pretty remote spot. And that was a pretty serious path. And it looked as though it was put on the rock face before it started to flake off. So it would be pretty old. And wasn't nobody walking around New Mexico knowing how to write "paleo Hebrew" a long time ago. Damn! this is a tough one. 🤨

[@longcastle4863]

What last names are you using.. _?_

[@naftali-israel]

Funny the lady says.. "Falling is my least favorite way to go! lol as she scales up the steep hill.

[@davethebrahman9870]

Looks nothing like paleo-Hebrew inscriptions.

[@321ssteeeeeve]

There was evidence of Phoenician inscriptions found in I believe was Argentina as well

[@alanteare1603]

Love this video. Love that you shared it. People are too clever by half and ALWAYS have been. And that tells you something.

[@EinarGrondal]

It would be interesting to do a comparison to get an idea of how the writing has weathered in the 30 - 50 years from the first photos and videos. Perhaps one could get an idea of how old in writing really is.

[@Joshua123N]

I never thought you will bring Moses and Israel to my EYES!!!! THANKS Dr. James Tabor

[@annalisette5897]

OH! I heard you say it looks like Jordan Valley and I was thinking, it sure does. And how is this video connected to Oregon??? In Malheur County, Oregon there is the town of Jordan Valley. It is surrounded by high desert sagebrush. I have spent a lot of time around there. And there is a resemblance to this place in New Mexico. 😆

[@jamesshepherd6491]

It more than likely a LDS (Latter Day Saints, i.e., Mormon) deception. It wouldn't be the first time something like this happened with them.

[@aralornwolf3140]

That would make more sense.

[@Kim-yl4bz]

What examples do you know about? Serious question

[@jamesshepherd6491]

@@Kim-yl4bz Well, if you went to the core of the formation of the LDS itself through Joseph Smith, but look up the name Solomon Spalding and his works of historical romance novels, you will discover that the Book of Mormon is really just a plagiarization of one of Spalding's novels. The connection of is irrefutable. I could go on and on about this, but I won't. When you do your own research, and discover the truth, it has a much better impact than having another person spoon feed the information. Have a good day.

[@ToothacheAZ]

LDS archaeologists from BYU investigated this in the 1980s and declared it a hoax. Their opinions were published. Tabor and maybe Cyrus Gordon (I think there is only unverified statements from Gordon) who are not LDS are the biggest advocates for authenticity. Unfortunately, there has not been the serious rigorous archaeology needed and the site has been damaged by well meaning Boy Scouts "cleaning" the stone. It is unlikely any definitive proof can be made to settle the matter. But there are several questionable people involved in the discovery and some evidence it was created by students in the 1930s. Theories of an ancient date definitely fall into the fantastical realm, but its hard to disprove that some individual sailed thousands of miles, decided New Mexico was the place to be, and his only act was to very, very neatly inscribe 10 commandments on stone, and then I guess a bear ate him right afterwards or something.

[@ToothacheAZ]

@@Kim-yl4bz Mostly LDS church has been the victim of such hoaxes. Two examples would be the Salamander Letter which was a hoax by a document dealer who later turned murderer to cover it all up and the Kinderhook plates which were a set of forged metal plates intended to deceive Joseph Smith. There are of course individuals very interested in producing "proof" of LDS claims, but the Church itself has been rather cautious in what it endorses.

[@Wicknews8100]

8:11 He's mentioned how PRECISE the letters are, have you ever heard the term "read between the lines"? Flip the rock on its side, squint at the stone and voila, you can SEE THE IMAGE, otherwise known as "THE BIG PICTURE", this method was used to hide the Art sobit wouldn't be destroyed if the enemy found it.

[@nctrailcam81]

Not seeing anything other than red flags.

[@elizabee8273]

Where exactly is this?

[@outcastsofisrael7678]

Conversó settlers from Spain who escaped the Inquisition

[@michaelsmith9453]

My guess is that this was done by some aspiring archeologist with a solid understanding of the Ancient Middle East. Probably a grad student working on his Ph.D. thesis and did all this as a prank on the religionists. (BTW, did anyone else notice how Dr. Tabor seemed so familiar with all the details? Just askin'...) 🤔

[@pruffin]

Is there reason to believe that the eclipse date and the paleo-Hebrew inscription are related?

[@kevinkall8547]

why would you ask someone their last name with "what last name are you using?" which would indicate they have a different last name. and it would highly suspect that tape measure is in meters when vast majority of rules ise imperial units.

[@Malakawaka]

Does this mean you endorse the idea that it is Hebrew Dr Tabor?

[@drrbrt]

Mormon.

[@Karatop420]

Wouldnt paleo-hebrew be too old for a 10 commandments, or anything from the torah? Im pretty sure they were using the aramaic hebrew by the time the torah was written.

[@brandonbackes930]

No the Torah was written in Paleo Hebrew then after the Babylonian exile people started copying it in Aramaic letters but still used the Hebrew language.

[@Karatop420]

@brandonbackes930 don't make stuff up. The dead sea scrolls are still the oldest we have, and they got paleo-hebrew, Aramaic, Syrian, and Greek laying right next to each other. There's no evidence of a torah before the hassmonians.

[@brandonbackes930]

@@Karatop420 The earliest fragment of Torah was initially thought to be from the early 6th to the early 7th century BCE. Further examination, with better equipment, has moved the estimated age back to 586 BCE. Most scholars agree that the Torah existed in its present form in 539 BCE. After returning from the Babylonian exile, Judean scribes began switching to the newer form of alphabet characters, while the Samaritans continued to write in Proto Hebrew characters. Fast forward to the colonization of North America. By this time the use of Paleo Hebrew characters had been out of fashion for at least 2000 years. Hebraists were not generally familiar with Paleo Hebrew. But some Jewish scholars preserved the tradition. For European settlers to fake something like this would have required specialized knowledge not generally available at the time. Difficult, not impossible. Just unlikely.

[@Karatop420]

@brandonbackes930 you gonna examine a thought, bruh? With better equipment? Like....mind reading equipment?..... cuz thinking about an old scroll I NOT THE SAME as finding a scroll that old. Jeez, why do soooo many skip over this super basic thing? Hypothesising, imagining, supposing there is a scroll that old ain't the same as digging one up. Further, if you find one too old, its gonna be different, it wouldn't be THE torah, anyway. It's gonna be more like the Samaritans text, or the enuma elis or some crap. Its not gonna hoave all the orthodox modifations done by later scribes. If genesis says Tiamat rather than the layer tehom, thats gonna look sus. So, you'd have to find a scroll from 300 bc thats "actually" hundreds of years older than it "really is, but matches a newer culture. To put it in perspective. You would need a book from Chauser that's in modern English and has cars and computers. And, it's gotta have new slang like skibidi, and rizzler. 🤣

[@Karatop420]

@brandonbackes930 lol, Greeks, however, did preserve the tradition, along with the Samaritans. I always find the trend to NOT study related languages in this specific field fascinating. I remember watching a video of a classical Hebrew expert talking about paleo-hebrew to a classical Greek guy. The Greek guy was starting g to learn Hebrew. The Hebrew guy was like, "OK, now this is different than what you've been studying it's paleo....." oh shyt, that's phoenician!!!! I fan read that!!!! That's book blah, chaptet blah verse blah!.....and the Hebrew guy was stunned that the Greek guy coild read paleo-he rew better than he could, lol.

[@aborigine3716]

What does Paleo-Hebrew have to do with Mexico and how old is that?😱

[@gailpettee7906]

Has anyone tried to date the rock or the vessel that has markings on it

[@jojones4685]

Anyone else here from Albuquerque?

[@Love-One-Another]

How could Eva and Hobe done this in the 30's if indeed the stone was seen in the 1880's? Maybe Eva and Hobe just mark a stone when they were there and seen this for themselves in the 30's.

[@ToothacheAZ]

The 1880s account is unverified and second hand.

[@dr.froghopper6711]

This valley has millennia of history

[@chronometer9931]

Thank you for sharing this old footage DR Tabor. I love to see things like this and this place is fascinating as are the inscriptions. It's been aome time since this footage was taken. I know you asked us what we thought, but im just as curious what you think about it now that you've had time to think on it and perhaps there has been more discovered. I'm guessing there is two ways you could go with it. Either these are Morman works or Clovis who strangely had European style spear heads and knowing that, it wouldn't be so surprising that they spoke that language.

[@TobiasC-mg4zk]

Clovis people had similar shaped spear points so they spoke Hebrew? That’s a bit of a leap.

[@aniksamiurrahman6365]

With all the world famous unis around this place, no one bothered to run any test? Like examine the type of hebrew, examine the style. Those two alone might be done for for the investigation. Then someone can date ther rocks etc.

[@StanKindly]

A lot of strange locations (and myths) in New Mexico. i've been to Chaco Canyon - a real head scratcher 🤔

[@Bizarreparade]

There have been inscriptions found all over north america

[@Zebred2001]

A Biblical Blair Witch Project!

[@keho9801]

Can't be authentic unless they are in Egyptian hieroglyphs

[@dancho1217]

Is this really a mystery?

[@longcastle4863]

No white out when you’re carving in stone 😊

[@cee_the_proof]

APTTMH GOI 💗🛐 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤄

[@ismaelt.261]

Moses was there.

[@howardmoore184]

New Mexico. Not Mexico

[@joefization]

It hasn't been "new" for very long though

[@michaelmcclosky1142]

Very interesting. I read something not long ago regarding what seems to be related to the spread, or confusion of language, saying that Japanese for instance was Hebrew in reverse with diacrictics in place.

[@Redhawkeye]

I’d rather you spend time on the discovery of the Ark of the Covenant in Jerusalem. Shalom!

[@Seekandtune]

Haha, he forgot the first commandment. Has to be real.

[@simritnam612]

Eh?!

[@Magplar]

Such a shame that this stone was vandalized in 2006.

[@TobiasC-mg4zk]

Someone vandalized a perfectly good stone with that fake inscription

[@xifangyangren9997]

Weird

[@Geordie-qz8bs]

Paleo AND Greek ? They've overdone it!

[@knowledgeseeker-yy1ix]

yes...ancient Hebrews wouldn't have used Greek...

[@marmieRH]

Why do you read jehovah? I thought that name was invented after 1600 bc because the letter j didn't exist before? Thank you for explaining from Québec 😊❤

[@anothersaint9759]

11/07/2024 11:07 PM 🥰☕😎🔥☝️

[@leotek..]

you are discrediting yourself by putting up this nonsense on your channel.

[@ToothacheAZ]

I don't think he cares. But also Isaac Newton experimented with Alchemy his entire life. Hero worship of academics should be avoided. We all have blind spots and occasionally believe irrational things. It doesn't invalidate other parts of our work. People should be given the freedom to explore the unlikely and take unpopular positions. It is built into our human nature and much good has come from it. No one should feel topics are out of bounds for fear they might not turn out to be true. As long as no intentional deception is taking place it is good to have a few sharp minds probing the unlikely.

[@theomnisthour6400]

What if the gospels referenced stories from a different Dead Sea, the Great Salt Lake - which were far older than 2000 years ago? Has anyone analyzed the local topography versus the biblical record? I bet some enterprising Mormons have

[@aniksamiurrahman6365]

Yeah sure. So much so that the entire bible is written in a language that never arrived in Mexico for 2100 years.

[@theomnisthour6400]

@@aniksamiurrahman6365 How can you say that with such confidence? There is a growing body of evidence that the first Americans were not Siberian land bridge Asiatics, but a combination of seafaring Aryans and Indo-Pacific islanders. Or haven't you kept up with the latest science and DNA studies are are still stuck on the debunked "out of Africa" nonsense? I get so tired of clueless clowns like you spouting nonsense they heard from their woke cult echo chambers

[@shawnwatson1419]

Not buying it at all.

[@sage4293]

Maybe this is a forgery. But then again, maybe it's not. I don't understand why so many are against the possibility that ancient Israelites and others could've made it to North America. Not only that, but especially the fact that a large number are triggered and offended by the idea.

[@suplol4893]

Yes man everytime I watch one these Hebrew artifacts in America videos people get mad is like they don’t want it to be true. Why tho

[@ToothacheAZ]

I think this is very likely a forgery, but the group think that no one should look at it is disturbing. Who are we to tell Tabor how to spend his time and talents? He isn't trying to be deceptive, even if he turns out to be wrong. He developed his skills. It is fair for him to decide what projects he will focus them on.

[@Joshua123N]

TANAKH VS NT: HIS LIES AGAINST GOD (NO. 6) SIN, REPENTANCE, AND HUMAN SACRIFICE Jesus says that everything is possible for God, that God can make a camel go through the eye of a needle. If that is the case, why did he lie by claiming that God wanted him to die for your sins? Especially when Ezekiel 18 tells us that God does not take pleasure in a sinner’s death, and that no one shall die for another’s sins. Ezekiel 18 makes it clear that God does not enjoy seeing a sinner die but would rather they repent and live. Why, then, was Jesus apparently unaware of this? Why did he claim it was the will of the Father for him to die for the forgiveness of many? Consider Ezekiel 18:23, where God declares, "Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? … Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?" The message here is clear: God desires repentance, not death, even for those who have sinned. Furthermore, in Ezekiel 18:20, the principle of individual accountability is emphasized: each person is responsible for their own sins, and "the son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son." This passage affirms that God does not transfer guilt from one person to another; rather, each individual is accountable for their own actions. Why would God want him to die for your sins when He can forgive you? Why did he lie about God wanting him to die for your sins, contradicting the entire chapter of Ezekiel 18? Especially when he himself taught that everything is possible for God, even for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. Consider the contradiction: if a camel can go through the eye of a needle for God, then can God also forgive you directly? If your answer to both questions is yes, then you must acknowledge that he lied by saying, 'No one can come to the Father but by me,' and that he died for your sins.

[@Eli-Eizen]

Mr Tabor . I did not expected from you to ptopagate this forgery. This is very unprofessional. Disapointed in your credentials.

[@Bizarreparade]

Tough crowd Your an expert until people don't agree with you. Then all of sudden your a charlatan site unseen🤣🤣🤣

[@emalee8366]

He didn't claim is definitely authentic. He highlights both sides of the debate. The fact that he highlights both your side and not your side doesn't make him bad, especially if it's his honest expert opinion.

[@Eli-Eizen]

@@emalee8366 this have nothing to do with clames and highlighting. Some one who is professional of such level at list should say about forgeries of this nature. And at list, please read my comment. And my comment addressed to Dr Tabor not to you.

[@Eli-Eizen]

this forgery is as much "paleo hebrew" as Im a marcian.

[@HiramLoki]

​@@Eli-EizenYou're on KZbin. You cannot decree who answers your very public posts. Grow up.

[@daveyjuice7710]

Plausible as the west coast of mex would be attached to west europe before the flood. The text does look a bit recent though .

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

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[@petergrant2561]

This is nonsense. You've lost me James. I'm out!

[@chronometer9931]

There is nothing wrong with asking questions...

[@HiramLoki]

Bye Felicia

[@hans.stein.]

God forgave and he forgives the one who turns from his wicked deed. In addition to Ezekiel (death of the wicked) read Isaiah (death of the righteous). This death of a righteous man fulfilled the Torah's requirement of death and ransom and sacrifice for the doer of evil. So God harms not his own righteousness and justice when he calls back to life all mankind, the sons of the human (adam). And it proves that God partook in our suffering with his own son. Don't trust any church or rabbi. Trust God. He is the Father of all life and of all righteous statutes.