Is a Dyneema Tarp Worth the Money?

[@buzzboykin9982]

At 77 now, I had to decide 3 or 4 years ago to go ultra lite or stay home. I chose ultra lite and can still enjoy nights in my hammock. So for me, and probably other oldsters, yes it is worth it.

[@daleschleicher7794]

ME AT 63 YEARS OLD IT LIKE HAVE GO FOR IT TOO , A TENT AND THAT IS AROUND $600 OR JUST GO CAR CAMPING

[@kewsoner7924]

Going strong 💪

[@markcummings6856]

Totally worth it. Other pluses- Doesn’t sag, doesn’t absorb water!

[@brianc1651]

Yes. Agree completely.

[@AquaTech225]

And it bags up bulky. Sometimes more space is better than a weight savings

[@markcummings6856]

Aqua Boss It actually becomes more compact with time and more usage. The stiffness and creases goes away and flattens out.

[@shaquezr.9541]

Yay I can use it for making my superhero suit

[@brianc1651]

Took me awhile to justify Dyneema, but the minute I opened it, it became one of my favorite pieces of gear. If you want to do miles and go out fairly regularly, just buy it! You won't regret it.

[@eddyoddrod]

You do you brother. Haven’t back packed for a while. A heavy pack with scoliosis is not fun but I’ve done it plenty. If you have the funds. You have the desire, spend the money and make it more enjoyable. God bless you.

[@RicMor200]

It'd be interesting to learn what Ernie thinks now after 2 years of use. One thing not mentioned here is durability, for obvious reasons. I bought one of these from another company back in the day when it was known as Cuben fiber. I loved the weight savings, but besides the high price, other things bothered me. First was the color, mine was translucent with a light green tinge. It let too much light through and felt like I was camping in a green house. But most importantly was the fact that the fabric was very sensitive to bird poop and other small droppings from above. After about 3 years, the thing started flaking off, like dandruff, and I'd find myself patching it up with Cuben tape. At one point the tarp was so covered in patches, that I began to question the weight savings, but it seemed like after every trip I would discover a new hole somewhere on the tarp. So I got myself a sylpoly tarp, and have never looked back.

[@donmartinfamily]

They have other models that aren't as see through now.

[@RicMor200]

Yeah, still not as opaque as I would prefer it, but my biggest peeve with DCF is durability or lack thereof. If I'm paying top money I expect it to last many many years. I have a few 12 y/o silnylon tarps that are still going strong, whereas the one DCF tarp I bought only lasted 3 good years, then it started delaminating, really disappointing.

[@alexwbanks70]

I've had the HG 12' with doors for about 4 years now and its still in perfect shape. I've used it a lot!

[@geraldhenrickson7472]

I have the 12 foot version of this DCF tarp and love it yet...few mention that along with amazing tensile strength it has nearly zero abrasion resistance and cuts very very easily. Although I have several really nice tarps this is my goto shelter. It is SO light I actually say "whoa" every time I pick it up. It is perfect for hanging and great for going to the ground. Very versatile and worth every penny to me.

[@johneckert1690]

I'm coming up on my 64th birthday (Nov 2021) & with bad ankles, knees, and a bad rotator in my right shoulder I needed to reduce the weight I carry plus the fact that I am only 5' 6'' tall, small boned and weigh only 130 pounds something like this will keep me going for years and years. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE VIDDEO.

[@AggyGoesOutdoors]

It's absolutely worth it to anyone whose actually going to going to use it and get the full value of the properties that the item offers for the purpose for which it is designed. If you're a casual occasional weekend warrior who pretends to be an ultralight backpacker who never walks more than a mile from the car to their campsite then you probably don't need it.

[@thomasmusso1147]

It's worth the money to anyone who wants it and is prepared to pay the price for it.

[@bathcolin]

Yes Thomas, I'm with you. It's an 'if you can afford it' kinda thing. I'd buy one, but for the price. I don't mind those extra Oz's or Grams tbh. It's when it gets to Lbs or Kilo's I start to worry.

[@drcoolit]

one plus that I've read about re DCF is that unlike almost all other fabrics, this doesn't absorb water. since tarps/tents are meant to shield you from (among other things) water, being able to take up the tarp and move on w/ your hiking without worrying about moisture issues for the fabric (which of course adds its own weight!) I would think many people would find useful. these videos are helpful though -- YOU have spent the money but I can reap the benefits! thank you for sharing what you have discovered about many of the things you talk about on this channel.

[@markswishereatsstuff2500]

I bought from Etowah Outfitters an 8x10' tarp made of ULTRA TNT. Think it's 9oz and 1/2 cost of Dyneema.

[@j3hikes444]

buy once, cry once...love my DCF tarp and tent.

[@TainoXtreme]

Totally worth it for that application you were showing. I only wish I could afford it. Thank you so much for sharing this video. God bless you.

[@starlingblack814]

Hello Dr. Ernie, Thanks for another great gear review and informative video. Heck yeah it is worth the money "if" you are willing to pay for it and plan on doing ultralight backpacking. A pound lighter is a lot of weight to shed and over $300 is a lot of money to spend. Still, agree or disagree, it is a personal choice with no wrong answers. Keep up your gear reviews and commentaries as they help us navigate through all the products out there.

[@gboltonatrail1099]

Doors are a must to get the best all weather use out of a tarp. Once you add doors, the weight of Dyneema can’t be beat! Wouldn’t trade my HG Palace for anything, now that it got me through an AT Thru Hike! So worth the cost!

[@aralious44]

Comfort is priceless as long as it’s durable

[@oldandfatoutdoors5365]

Just got my Dyneema tarp in the mail Monday! Saved a pound from my old tarp. Cant wait to try it out!

[@linedwell]

If I had the money, I'd have one in a heartbeat. I'm broke though, so if i spent that much on something, I'd be terrified to use it in case it broke.. 😜🤣🤣

[@rodbagley]

If I spent that much for that tarp something else like going would suffer. I motorcycle camp. Weight is not as much a problem as space and $$ are for me. I can use the cheap HF tarp at 6 bucks and if need be throw it in the trash . Love the small size of that expensive micro pack tarp.

[@danielkutcher5704]

I got the HG dyneema Palace tarp in camo with the linelocs, snakeskin, and 100 ft. of their line. About $535.00. Weight with line and snakeskin is one pound. Linelocs are well worth the extra money over the D-rings, but you can't use straight dyneema line because it will slip. Adjusting the linelocs takes a second once the stake is placed. I have titanium Dutchware hooks on the ridgeline. Go around the tree with the ridgeline, hook the hook back on the ridgeline, repeat on other side, pull ridgeline tight on either end, stake out sides, pull the guy lines tight - done! Takes 3-5 minutes to set up. Hammock goes up in two, while protected from the elements. Never slept better. Good stuff!

[@sinfonianbarelytone9191]

I've had one for a few years. I use a tiny carabiner to close them. My hammock and tarp is 1.1 pounds. I'll be backpacking when I'm 90.

[@anotheryoutuber_]

not absorbing water is really the best feature of dyneema, still not worth it for me, yet, maybe if i was doing two week plus trips and not using an exterior pocket for the wet tarp. i also like tarps that block a lil more light. preference is almost always the overriding factor. even though i still have fairly light sil-nylon tarp i prefer a 12x 12 nylon poly coated tarp. thanks for the video, excited for the year from now, hows it doing and am i still using it video.

[@csamons0935]

I went down the UL rabbit hole recently. I got the larger tarp, a Lite AF curve 40 FS and trailheadz poltergeist hammock. My back will thank me!

[@mainehiker6157]

My camo hammock gear tarp is not see through and is worth the slight weight penalty. Dcf totally worth it!

[@snaponjohn100]

Thank you for your video my friend. I have both tarps I also have a dyneema tarp that I got from Dutchware. The first time I staked it out in my yard one of my dogs was playing tag with the other one caught the guy line and ripped 2 inches off the entire side of it so I had to have it repaired. I was surprised at how easily it ripped. I did not have shock cord on it because dyneema does not shrink or swell up when it gets wet so you don’t have to worry about it sagging. I bought a sil-poly extrawide tarp from Dutchware. It’s about a foot wider on each side, so it gives a little more rain protection or space underneath it. What I was shocked by was that the sil-poly tarp could be compressed into a baseball size wad; maybe between softball and baseball size. My Dyneema tarps cannot be compressed at all. Dyneema is wonderful if you have plenty of space. God bless you. John

[@ericrylands2860]

Is the fabric loud in the wind? Does it have a crunchy sound? That would drive me crazy at night when all I want to hear is the wind...

[@timwhite9837]

The big factor that tipped me over the edge to buy one was the weight when wet. I live in an area where we get 100+ inches of rain a year. My last trip I weighed my winter silpoly tarp when I got back. It weighs 22 oz dry. It weighed a whopping 41 oz when I got home.

[@nickgreenemail]

Felt this weight factor even with condensation, but nice to see someone measured it! Huge factor

[@trentnichols5075]

The fact of the matter is... I can’t afford it! But God bless those that can!! If I could I would absolutely have it & I’ll tell ya why. Just because it looks so freaking awesome 👍🏻. Yep I’m that shallow! It looks like what I imagine a flying saucer 🛸 is made from. So if “you got it, get it”. & it’s nobody’s business if you do.

[@troybranaman316]

I love it and it's awesome and worth it for you . I get why it is . I'm 50 and I'm not the same person I was when I was 30 or 20 . I honestly couldn't afford it . That doesn't mean It's not worth it . I'm not a doctor or a KZbin star either . I get it but I cant get it at the same time lol 🙃😆😂 !!! Take care and stay safe my friend!!

[@mclostinthewoods]

A good alternative that is more budget friendly is the 20D silpoly Warbonnet Thunderfly. My 11' Thunderfly, with mesh sleeve, guy lines and suspension, weighs 17 ounces and cost $135.

[@emeryz10]

I hike maybe three times a year, and I want this tarp because it’s nice and because of the weight. I’m 32 and in great shape, but I still like the light gear. I want to hike more often, and I want gear that will do exactly what I want and more when needed. I don’t want to worry. When someone with more experience than me says, “I sure hope you have a good tarp.” Then I’ll be satisfied knowing I bought something that will withstand whatever reason that would prompt someone to tell me that. The only thing I'm worried about is I'm not experienced enough to handle a tarp of this caliber because I'll make a beginner mistake and rip it. I understand it's not intended to be used as a ground sheet, but I'm worried ill be too hard on it.

[@WillN2Go1]

Looks like a nice tarp. Good video. It's smart that you zero right in one weight being the primary reason to get this tarp. I've got the War Bonnet silnylon and like it alot. It's also quieter than the dyneema. There's a tarp tent one that's being sold with a screen mesh skirt along the bottom. I like that because it keeps out the flying bugs, and if it's cold you can set up so the tarp edge is on the ground. ( Of course for a hammock the tarp is never near the ground.) I can't tell how those corners attach to the stake lines. I like grosgrain loops there that I can poke a stake through, twist to get 'tight' and then stick in the ground. The end flaps? That's an unresolved situation. We know when it's cold and the wind is blowing we want to be sealed in. Those flaps need to overlap and hook to the other side. I do like the Dutch Gear hardware bits. I've tried all the older stuff and got to where I don't like D-Rings or hardware bits and bobs. I want to tighten up a line? Mostly I just move the stake. These bits look like problem solved. I was all set to buy a bunch of dyneema gear and then I started hearing about pinholes after a year or so. I'm too lazy to wear out my gear in a year or two so longevity is important.

[@iceman857]

I realize that everyone's perspective on gear is probably influenced by both their experience and their personal preferences that will sway their opinions, so it really hard to give definitive "is it worth it" advice that will apply to a lot of people. Purchase price, durability, weight, customization, privacy, features, ... lots of variables to consider. For me at least, my primary criterion is weight. I too have bum knees (thanks to sports injuries), and wouldn't be able to hike much distance without going UL. I have the HG Standard Tarp with doors like yours, but mine is 12', I got the Camo DCF, and has D-rings. I'm using a Dutch CRL (2.2mm Lash-it, Dutch hook, and wasp), and Dutch fleaz on the tie out points. I don't have any other DCF tarps to compare it to, but it's working very well for me!

[@lizstrailsandtravels4624]

My hyperlight dynema tarp, beak, 9 stakes (can do with as few as 6) leaving the inset tent at home is 9 ounces. With bag and guidelines. These old bones are happy. I also have a two pound it depends where I go +. Yes spent a shitload but if you save you too can do it.

[@MrAKhiker]

Is it worth it? Absolutely! Particularly if you have physical conditions that mandate a lighter load, or you backpack a lot and can average the cost over numbers of nights in the woods. As always however, my wife hit the nail on the head while I was obsessing over this. “Why don’t you just lose ten pounds?” 😊

[@aralious44]

😆😆

[@TNBushcrafter]

I've pondered one, my main issue is the sunlight and abrasion shortcomings. It's what I keep on my 4 wheeler winch. I do love it and it's strength ratings. I may be overthinking it but a big investment to find my concerns hold validity.

[@keithcronk7980]

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT 2 OVER THUNK IT BECAUSE OF THE MONEY. HAVE A GREAT DAY

[@Oldsparkey]

I always wanted a cuben fiber tarp. I got one and used it in a heavy rain. That is one of the loudest traps I have ever had. I went to Warbonnet outdoors and got the Minifly in Silpoly and bushwhack Camo. The Cuben fiber one was folded and packed way. The Silpoly ( NOT Silnylon ) is what I call a poor mans cuben fiber. It's as waterproof and a lot quieter. The down side is it's about twice the weight of a cuben fiber tarp. I don't mind the extra 6 or so ounces , my base weigh is still in the 7 pound area. At 78 and a heart patient I consider every ounce.

[@Squirrel200]

Good video! I am old and broken so the less lbs to carry = I can do more! As long as the equipment in question is suitable for the intended task! Good video! Hugs

[@crusoeisoutside882]

I have the LiteAF dyneema tarp and it is awesome! Absolutely worth it. Great video!

[@SignalOutdoors]

Its for sure worth the money. The only thing I've really heard is that its super loud when it rains, but if you're saving a pound of weight I'll take loud rain over a sore back and knees.

[@OutLan]

Absolutely worth it. I still need to get one. I'm using a Warbonnet tarp right now and it's great, but need to pull the trigger on a Dyneema one. Great vid, Ernie!

[@bangalorebobbel]

Not that I would not like to watch bears through my tarp but transparency means also I do not get enough of shadow. Else, surely a nice piece of gear and absolutely worth the money. If one has this much of money for gear. In my case, I save weight and money by not using a tarp at all. Initially I carried always a poncho which doubles also as tarp if required. It isn't only the weight of any piece of gear alone which saves you weight during ultralighting. It is also multifunctionality which can help to reduce weight. And even volume and/or money, in some cases. Meanwhile I do not even carry a poncho in most cases. I have now a good piece of polycro with me. Works as poncho, tarp, shelter, ground sheet, what not. Weight tends to zero, and based on a cheap window isolation kit, it costs almost nothing. And yes, I have no shadow with it. That's the bad thing. But I can see the bears. ;-)

[@curtisparry3146]

Thanks for the video. I want one of those tarps...where do they sell the snakeskin?

[@Wayaha13]

It's worth it if you decide it is. I will say, I think people forget about silpoly in these discussions as a middle ground. It's lighter then nylon and doesn't stretch or absorb water near as much but is cheaper than DCF. I have a dutchware 12' silpoly (without doors) that weighs 11 oz and packs down to the size of a softball and it cost around $150 (I added side tieouts, tarp flys etc.).

[@The07gsxr1000]

Can you link some of that lightweight bungie cord great video...

[@udmbfckx2916]

One thing I like about this material is that if there is any condensation or water on it you just wipe it off and can put it away.....it does not retain moisture like most other light materials.

[@udmbfckx2916]

But oh.....$335? I believe if I fart 3 times on the trail I will lose the weight difference between this tarp and a "sillynylon" 20 D one. Yes gram counting does make a difference, but so does losing some weight and being fit. I went from 195 to 180 lbs and that is exactly the weight of my 3 day / 2 night mostly-3-season pack with food and 2L of water (2 - 1L smartwaterbottles).

[@ashleybishton742]

I need an ultralightweight ultra light packability solution to my needs as my dd 3x3 tarp is good but its bulky to carry and takes up too much storage. i am thinking of going for the ultralight version and selling my dd to help pay for it. so then it will literally just fit in one my side pockets while my snugpack sleeping bag can take up most of the space in the bag cos that is literally what a snugpak sleepin bag does it takes up majority of the space in your bag so if your roaming round with a 30litr day sack you will need to use the straps on the bottom to attach sleeping bag there somehow then store tarp at top of your main compartment so that its first thing u get out to set up. i just want to improve on my efficiency and your channel is going to help me find the best products for my needs without spending too much on the cheaper products. i only want to buy once and be happy as i am supper light weight and not very strong at all so need something that reflects on that on my build.

[@surronzak8154]

Holy moly and that’s rain/waterproof ?? Awesome

[@spider5001]

Really awesome! I’ve been looking to get one. I have a silpoly right now and it does retain some moisture and needs to dry out. I heard dyneema does not. Also if you get the mesh snakeskins they weigh less than the dyneema and allow your tarp to dry on the move👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@massivedynamic2339]

A good deal is a state of mind, so I am glad you feel the tarp is a value. As we live in the same area, I am curious about how much hammock camping you do around here. I have never used one, but I am gathering info, because I am considering whether or not to invest in a quality hammock setup. Your thoughts please.

[@bigmac3006]

Great vid!

[@richarddaugherty8583]

At 67 I'm not getting younger and stronger. My Dyneema tarp is worth every penny I spent for it. My goal is to be out in the woods at 80 and beyond!

[@sillylilly4794]

It is worth the money and maybe one day I will purchase it. But will have to save to that day. For now, I working on as affordable lite weights as I can.

[@MSScout86]

Dyneema tarps are required purchases to join the gram weenie club. :-) Definitely has its place and if I were doing some serious long distance hiking for extended periods and miles I would be a gram counter for sure. thanks for presenting the video.

[@pakleader4]

Your doing a wonderful job. And I will purchase this tarp just being ultralight. Been searching for one. Like you said I’m no spring chicken anymore may not be able to carry the big tarps and gear. Just like I found you looking for cheap stoves this tarp will do just fine. Wish it was a little bigger though if they make one bigger. Found it in cammo. God you, the outdoor gear review, mark young have been a heaven send in finding gear. Piecing gear together to make survivalist gear and make all fit with weight range. I can’t stand the fake nuts who swear by surviving with just a poncho and I’m former military 😅😂🤣😜🤪 can’t fully enclose yourself when conditions become bad. But Canterbury believes it when military don’t. Yes we do manipulate our gear but we do not wish to use just a poncho, but if we can carry a tarp we will. Still the best my man. SEMPER FI June 21 2023

[@effyleven]

The 'antenna" on the guy line device is called a "cleat." It can lock the line because is is a self jamming cleat.

[@TraceyAllen]

No it's an antenna, it's a Dutchware tarp fly, they are titanium. Super nice piece of kit. I just got some.

[@davidvavra9113]

Another sailor!

[@greekveteran2715]

Please, I need some help. What about the strength and toughness of an expensive lightweight tarp? Is it going to hold in bad weather conditions,(on really strong winds for example), as a bit less expensive but havier tarp would? I'm trying to decide which would be my 1st tarp to get. Is the Helikon Tex Supertarp small for example, a good choice? Thanks in advance

[@brianferris1233]

🎥🐻🌲🦅🌲🦌🌲 thank you for sharing your video stay safe happy and healthy🎥🌲🐰🌲🦅🌲

[@carrdoug99]

Totally worth it, sweet!

[@kerrir1955]

Only thing that kept me from purchasing the dyneema from a gals perspective is the fact that it’s practically see through. My tarp is from hammock gear as is my quilt and I love them both.

[@charlesshannon1437]

Love the review. Interested . . .

[@603storm]

I have a 10x12 SilNylon that I bought almost 20 years ago for $120. Weighs about 18oz. Dyneema Composite is light but a 10x12 is not 2oz in order to shed the "pounds" that keep getting mentioned. Is it worth it, depends on how you calculate worth. If you use a weight per sq yard/money ratio, then not for me. If you use a weight/weight ratio where money doesn't enter the equation then it's worth it because you can afford it. It was noted in a few comments but not many that the other factor to take into consideration is the lighter weight the Dyneema Composite the less wear abrasive and durable it is.

[@dannynimmo3052]

I want that :o .. all I have is the hyperlight and zpacks stuff, some of these smaller companies not as well known, have some awesome stuff. If it wasn't for your videos I wouldn't know how to find this stuff. I found a " jacks are better " hammock on eBay. Well over 2 lb heavy as crap but a really cool hammock, the first time I'd seen the snake skin application. I'm just trying to find all that in dyneema. I'd make it if I had to, but would rather buy it. So, thanks for this video, I know I'll find the tarp here at least. :) my puntuation sucked there lol hope all that readable

[@asmith7876]

I was ready to buy such a tarp...the older I get the lighter I want things...but I also require durability and longevity from my equipment. If someone could prove to me that a 7 or 8 ounce tarp could stand up to being used I'd drop $500! But they can't, I've heard too many stories of simply branches brushing up against dyneema, that it's not abrasion resistant. I ended up with an Aquaquest, 10 x 13 feet (yeah, it's HUGE!!!) but it covers my hammock COMPLETELY with room to spare, only costs $109, and has a lifetime guarantee. Ok, it weighs 2 pounds, not 7 ounces, but I'm not a through hiker. Maybe someday, but it ain't today! I might buy some dyneema anyway, seems awesome with the no stretching and no absorbing water.

[@thomaspotter7765]

That is a lot of cheddar for a tarp, but it seems kinda cool. I like science. Is heat retention better, worse,or even with other tarps?

[@kanukkarhu]

Honestly, most of us who say we wouldn't 'waste the money' don't have the money to waste anyway, so...🤷🏼‍♂️😆 If I could, I'd buy the lightest equipment I could get, as long as it's as functional as my other options. Once y'all turn 50, you'll get it... Sad, but true: when it comes to gear, you only get to pick two of the following: light, good and cheap. 👍🏻🇨🇦

[@herbieburbie]

Lessons I never seem to learn!!! Spend the money if you backpack if you don't backpack don't. I've bought 4 tarps in 6 years I could have just bought 1 dyneema and I'd be satisfied. So I spent that money anyway. I just bought a 180$ poly sill and I'm already regretting not getting the dyneema.

[@strongbear9304]

IF ITS WORTH IT TO YOU, THEN IT’S WORTH IT! Doesn’t matter what the others think. If you can afford it (and apparently you can-cause you have one ) then get it if that’s what you want. Me, I’m a medically retired Disabled Veteran on a fixed income. Would it be nice to have one and would I like it? Damn straight! But it just isn’t going to happen. So I settle for what I can afford and wait for the price to drop ( yeah right) or to win the Lottery-WAIT! We don’t have a Lottery here in Utah- Oh Well! Back to the first option!

[@dalejuhl8591]

Just far enough out of my price range for comfort 😀 If I did get this mighty fine tarp no pun intended har har I would be scared to use it and I would constantly worry about it 😁 I really like it though.

[@jordan2042]

Yes

[@josephlynn85]

Curious about how this tarp will hold up over time

[@AndreaSimone57]

Thats so Expensive, but neat product

[@orraman5427]

Is it a good product? - I'll take your word for it. Is it worth the money? - You bought it and you're satisfied with your purchase, so that has to be a yes. If the buyer is happy with his/her purchase then, to them, the product is "worth the money", it doesn't matter what others think.

[@samsmith8870]

I'm just curious, has he ever done a video where he actually went on a backpacking trip?

[@7777R]

I need one of these.

[@Y2J3469]

Not just tarps, tents too! Yes, it's worth the money when it comes to shelters. Maybe not for backpacks and some accessories; however, when it comes to shelters - I will never be in a non-dyneema/ cuban fiber shelter again (save and except for winter adventures).

[@msilverhammer]

Get one made from Ecopack, or Ultra 200, the Dyneema killer!😮

[@MrTangent]

How tear resistant is it?

[@kawasaki9167]

Worth it if you want long lasting and ultra lightweight weight Tarp for your hiking, camping in deep in the jungle

[@tomvaughan1157]

What is the weight /sq ft?

[@jplamb77]

Great review,,,!!! Speaking of that material. Could You please do a review for the Zpacks duplex tent. Everything I’ve seen on it looks amazing. Your review would be greatly appreciated,,, Joshua

[@peterdelmonte9832]

I’m in the UK and 74. Despite walking several of our national long distance footpaths I have never slept in a wood so hammocks are purely theoretical. I went UL a dozen or more years ago and saved for a Zpacks Hexamid Solo in green Cuben. I’ve sat out storms, seen lightning through it and knocked ice crystals from it. I don’t foresee buying another tent. It’s amusingly lightweight, has worn well without a single repair being needed and though I’ve read what’s been said about the noise, that has never been an issue for me. One walking pole and eight pegs. Mine is up with me inside before those reviewers on YT have threaded one pole through a sleeve of their hooped bivis. I also bought an American ULA Conduit backpack that weighs from memory, a tad over a pound. That too is still in great condition. Both were expensive but I saved up knowing I’d soon get over the shock. I have and have regretted neither. I have lumbar stenosis now which makes walking distances a thing of the past. But I have reviewed my kit and will soon be doing my first cycle camp for about 35 years. The weight issue is still paramount for me so only the Conduit will become a thing to sell. Yes to Dynema every time.

[@gg3675]

What do you mean?! I walk 10 feet from my car to wear I sleep and camping in a steel shed works fine!

[@stevedilts6276]

I’ve seen pine straw fall and puncture silnylon tarps. How would Dyneema stand up?

[@michaeld4502]

You can take a 1"wide by 36" strip with double sided tape to repair on the fly.... Can't do that on other gear and keep on hiking for years after repair...

[@rwp722]

Dry gear and wet gear matter greatly. One pound difference dry could be two or three after the nylon takes on water.

[@phyllismulkey3778]

good review

[@Cacodominus6969]

As someone who's fat as hell and goes out to help lose weight ultralight is the weigh to go lol for my first backpacking trip (in mid winter) my osprey pack ended up topping out at 60 lbs 😅 I was miserable and now most of my big 3 gear is either hyperlite mountain gear or warbonnet, nothing beats thier hammocks for comfort and the weight savings with dyneema let me actually get 9ut there way more often

[@vantasticvoyage6228]

What does the entire sleep system weigh

[@YTkenntkeinenDatenschutz]

Lighter, more tear resistant, waterproof, doesn‘t stretch, doesn‘t absorb water, uv resistant and long lasting.

[@bazza1carter]

Cuben fibre was always a bridge too far for me. Not only price but it can be seen through. Not a problem in the backwoods but here in the UK it's mostly on a campsite. It's easy to whittle stuff down by reducing the bulk allowing a lighter rucksack, taking items that have more than one use, not taking stuff you wont use/doing need., etc.

[@flyfishtev8308]

A guy wearing a light baby blue sweatshirt giving advice on spending time in the woods? I couldn’t leave the house before the front was stained.

[@davidsawmandave8731]

Have the zpacks plex tent , will not soak up water and sag also

[@martink9785]

Totally missed sil-poly. Much better than sil-nylon for weight, moisture retention, stretch and packed size with only a small price penalty. No real need to go the whole way to DCF unless you have the money to spend and will use it a lot in my opinion

[@aaronfuentes5919]

I want ultra light, but I also want to abuse my gear. Improvised center poles, incorporated ground sheet pitches, fire embers. Tough choice.

[@jakesnizzle9385]

Well, as someone who has been tarping it for years, with the basic 6x8 hardware store tarp, I still can't justify the price of DCF.

[@BinManSays87]

I 100% get the lighter gear thing and I'm waiting for a trangia 27-2 to lighten up my load a touch but I can't see me turning to these space aged thing that cost to much because I think I'd be to afraid to get the most out of it and it'd ruin the carefree vibes of camping plus I'm not letting no old guy call me a soft twat for using fancy light new gear I'd rather struggle like the good old days in the wild

[@sprocket40]

The sag and weight are worth a lot. Sil poly is somewhere close

[@papajeff5486]

And it doesn’t soak up rain. And it drys much faster. And it packs smaller. Worth it? Yep. Texas

[@kewsoner7924]

I guess it's worth it if you buy it and you don't regret it.

[@warlordghost5]

Military term “ ounces equals pounds and pounds equal pain” 30lbs to 15lbs equals a hard 10 miler to an easy 10 miler

[@dogculturereveiw]

is anything worth the money?