Pallatrax Stonze: Addressing The Misconceptions

[@tescr500]

I was fortunate to be a member at Pallington lakes when Simon brought this innovation to light. We all fished in different parts of the lake and we all caught fish, we all know there's hot spots on lakes and that alone speaks for itself. At the end of the day it's a weight and does the same job as a lead but with so many more advantages. I've used them ever since they've been out and very rarely I blank. It's just such an advantage to our fishing. As Simon said they're Porras and they take on flavour, but the other advantage, you can soak them in your local water so there is no unnatural smells surrounding your hook bait. It's a win win and for the environment to if you are dumping your weights. Absolutely non toxic. We're all protecting the environment these days and when I see lead after lead being dumped I can't think of the future consequences. Maybe not in our lifetime, but surely we can see it. Protecting the fish for our future generations we must not be ignorant to it. 🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@TheePunisher]

If anyone is looking for pva bags to fit a 3oz stonze in,keyline are doing tonne bags quite cheap!

[@harrydewitt8692]

Best comment I’ve seen in a while

[@davem3045]

You can skip them over the lake to your spot

[@steventhompson3486]

Great video Tim & Pom - change takes time to implement, vive la revolution

[@ontcarpn]

Love stonze! I even make my own rock weights and also use stonze. I won’t be going back. I fish completely leadless for my carp fishing. They work for me and they will work for you.

[@christopherjames-mills1094]

Used these and in the edge or short casts are ideal. Longer casts and in wind they can be subject to lesser aero dynamics and can go a fair way off course but obviously a great alternative for stealthy work.

[@simonweston9728]

Can't beat the stonez love them never fish without them

[@Thecraftycarper71]

I think these have a place depending where you are ie: close in fishing,these type of leads(stones)are ideal for me when I’m on the canals after the carp close in.. But when I’m on a lake not really good for casting 70/80 yds plus and no good for ova bag work either.

[@kylericho2010]

Cracking video Tim, hope your well mate 👍

[@philipalbon3192]

I’ve used these and they were good only problem l had was the swivels and wire coming out after a bit of use

[@ontcarpn]

Really can’t say I have ever heard anyone have that issue. I didn’t think there was wire in them just glued swivel.

[@danielfairless6124]

I have given 90% of Pallatrax products over 3 years of use and the stonze are brilliant apart from zig fishing as the stonze aren't dense enough for an adjustable type! Back stonze are fab , terminal tackle is 100% but alas the bait I caught less in the last two seasons than the new companies I'm using this year. Would I use Pallatrax stuff deffo but I'd never join the Team again as it feels too clicky and you get shot down if you scrutinise

[@victoriagale9165]

What about uneven lake beds , slightly sloped bars etc stone looks like it would move around a lot more than a lead ? What happens to the rig when there is movement from the stone . Yes they have swivels in them but I’m not sure I’d be confident knowing if I get mugged off by a carp the rig would be presented to say a flat pear lead . Jmo .

[@ericp5065]

The great Neil Hawkins has enlightened me that the whole world has already switched to lead alternatives. Cheers Neil, where would i be without you

[@danpatteson3610]

Had no issues holding in rivers over here in Canada. I find they actually settle faster and hold better then leads. I've seen footage of them under water and they don't move or rock in the flow that I fish.

[@ericp5065]

@Neil Hawkins oh boy oh boy oh boy. Happy to supply you your precious “gotcha” moment 🙄 hope you are proud and happy 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@andywilkie1986]

Do the casting over a field like Terry Edmonds. In water with cross wind it's never accurate. And can you put three on a spot at 30 wraps I think not. Do a proper test

[@bentrower8890]

How far can you cast a whole chook with a 3oz stone?

[@thecarpfather5757]

Thos distance sticks are messing with my ying and yang canyon turn them outwards it will increase your catch rate I'm sure

[@nealeoliver9260]

Great video and I've caught more fish since using the #Stonzes #Pallatrax Team.

[@andrewbeckley728]

9:20 Method fishing wasn't invented by match anglers but by the Mahin brothers of France whilst fishing on the big rivers there in the late 80's/early 90's. Sensas (the groundbait manufacturers) sponsored them.

[@matgurd]

Distance isn’t the issue, it’s the accuracy……..?

[@bradleyhudson4331]

Deffo not a fad, no good for outright distance casting to your limits. This guy isnt even casting to his own maximum if he had the right technique. Absolutely great for stalking in clear water and had fish on some really pressured waters on these. The only negatives at all ate size to rate ratio compared to lead and non conformed shapes can effect accuracy at longer distance

[@jaquez666]

Goes on for ages about how unobtrusive the stones are, then in the next sentence says they are twice the size of a normal lead 😳 imagine a stone twice the size of a 4oz lead boshing through your swim, i dont all that unobtrusive

[@garrymarshall3031]

Tell me what is more unobtrusive in a lake, a stone or a bit of metal 😏

[@jaquez666]

@@garrymarshall3031 are we seriously saying a carp will distinguish between a textured lead coated in sand and debris that looks like a lake bottom and a big old stone, i dont think they will tell the difference, and if they are picking up on metal, doesnt the stone have a metal swivel in it, is the hook not metal, is the hooklink not man made

[@PallatraxCatchMoreFish]

@@jaquez666 if you study the amazing capability of the carps senses then they can easily distinguish what is alien within their own environment. It's not a case of what we can see but a case of what they can sense eg changes in water pressure. Hence the reason why it is proven you catch more if you scale down the man made eg match angling. Strange that carp angling does the opposite? The real question is then why do lead manufacturers try to camo their leads if there is no issue?

[@jaquez666]

@@PallatraxCatchMoreFish in which case surely the carp detect the "alien" swivel within the stone and will still detect the "alien" hook meaning the stone is pointless or certainly no better than a well camouflaged textured lead, just seems like a gimmick to me

[@steventhompson3486]

We used to catapult out stones aka Kevin Maddocks to attract the fish to the splash without overfeeding them Plus we all acknowledge that anything can spook wary fish but we regularly launch 6oz spombs over and over again, match anglers "build" a swim using method feeders continually and accurately casting to the same spot. In my opinion the benefits of StonZ cannot be disputed; they carry flavour, they look natural, they provide a surface that groundbait readily adheres to and in this day and age where many anglers don't consider the repercussions of "dumping" a lead, they don't pollute the environment,

[@geoffsaunderson5766]

These have been around forever, it’s a bit of flint with a hole drilled in it, 10 years ago I messed about with them for spooky barbel and chub, then realised it was my hooklink that was spooking them not my weight! 🙄. It’s a nice novelty tho. Company is doing ok, like I say it’s going years but not really a believer

[@terryburn4937]

Giving the carp far too much credit!

[@damianpearce2741]

How come when I see ur video's of u fishing u never catch anything I thought about using them but when u don't see the creater catching what's the point

[@danielfairless6124]

They catch plenty but Pallatrax isn't very well known compared to Korda or Fox etc

[@ontcarpn]

Plenty of carp cause on stonze. Check out my Instagram or KZbin channel as I have film showing carp taking baits under water using stonze. They work and Pom catches plenty when he has a chance to get our. Join the team page and you will see how well they work.

[@garrymarshall3031]

I have had loads of carp using both Stonze and Gripz

[@danpatteson3610]

Caught plenty of fishing using stonze.

[@jaquez666]

No way is that groudbait staying on a smooth round stone on a 100yrd cast, nothing for it to grip too, the stone will just pull out

[@garrymarshall3031]

It does mate. But you do have to mix it correctly

[@jaquez666]

@@garrymarshall3031 even with a mega stiff mix i still cant see it staying on over 100yards plus cast a stone double the size of a lead 100yrds doesnt sound realistic, ball size would be huge

[@danpatteson3610]

Good thing the stonze come naturally textured 👍

[@Carpfisherman69]

Love the stonez wont go back too leads ever again

[@eamontoner8632]

Stone s under water move easy compared to lead which is solid . Chalk and cheese

[@ontcarpn]

I shoot understand water using stonze and have not had them move on me. I actually find in the rivers we fish over hear in Canada the stonze sit well on the bottom especially the flat ones. You can use different style of stonze for your fishing as they come in different shapes and sizes.

[@GG-ch1hm]

Has anyone ever took a sample of water from a busy day ticket and tested the water to see what issues lead is causing with in the lake

[@danielfairless6124]

Still negligible but lead is poisonous and fish will sense it. But we all know anglers catch plenty using it, so I guess for me using Stonze it's an environmental reason and being more versatile.

[@DjDolHaus86]

Pretty much every busy lake will be paying attention to water quality and lead contamination is a negligible concern unless an industrial contamination incident has taken place. The basic science is that lead is extremely chemically stable, the only thing that breaks it down into soluble components is that first it needs to oxidise and then it needs long exposure to relatively strong acids. Large lumps of lead wrapped in plastic (i.e. coated fishing leads) will take thousands of years to dissolve within the most acidic substrates found within lakes (silt), this process is further slowed by the relative lack of oxygen within the substrate which slows the initial oxidation process. This of course isn't to suggest that I support the unnecessary dropping of leads within angling or that I'm downplaying the actual toxicity of lead, it's just that there is little evidence to suggest that fishing leads are of any environmental concern. The UK has been ahead of the curve in banning lead shot which poses a tangible threat to wildlife (ie. birds ingesting shot when swallowing gizzard stones) and as such we have seen very few cases of lead poisoning deaths in wildfowl as a result. Fishing leads are essentially getting embroiled in the wider issue of industrial pollution of waterways as a result of mining runoff and illegal dumping. A far more tangible threat to our lakes is the application of salt within baiting strategies, granted it'll take an awful lot of salt to salinate a large body of still water but once you add the salt you can't easily get it back out so it builds and builds until it starts a chain reaction which kills everything from the bottom of the food chain upwards.

[@jordfoth]

Catch more anglers than they will increasing your carp catching 😂😂

[@ruthless964]

0.33 line is not 20lb

[@simonweston9728]

Think you will find gamma line is mate I use the .33mm and it's 20lb

[@shaunkeough3969]

Really it's the breaking strain at 0.33 at 20lb isn't the same of a korda 20lb at 0.40. I don't really look at what lb line it is,I look at the diameter of line I need for how I'm fishing ie distance,if weedy and the make-up of lake bottom

[@ontcarpn]

Gamma is built different. Thin diameter for the breaking strength. Is casts like a dream too.

[@Goza80]

I was dubious when I was told about gamma but it really is the real deal. Not sure what they do to it but it's very thin and strong.

[@PallatraxCatchMoreFish]

Gamma is irradiated which makes it totally unique as it is technology from the tennis string industry. Unbelievable gear and the abrasion resistance is through the roof due to the cross ply of molecules. Not us saying this but Gamma Technologies - real scientific facts!

[@danielpolsinger7565]

Interesting. Its time to start ditching toxic lead, especially when you are fishing drop off style. I find it hypocritical how some companies try to give themselves a green outfit, using paper packaging and what not and then ditch Kilos of lead in the water in their Videos. However as an european angler i have found a major disadvantage when dropping stone rigs from the boat. The stones tend to tumble through the water and cause tangles when placing them in greater depths. I have started to use big screw nuts and i tie a swivel on with natural hemp line. The screw nuts are about 200 gramm, very cheap and they sink in a straight line just line a lead. Also steel is not toxic for the water.

[@tjoelker_2026]

yes they are. screw nuts are galvanize in a bath off zink

[@danielpolsinger7565]

@@tjoelker_2026 I let them rust in vinegar acid a few days before use. They also lose their shine that way.

[@dannydavies811]

Start casting into some one swim

[@philipglancy8593]

If you can hit that bivvy on the opposite bank I'll buy them all now cash 😂

[@michaelianson-lw8gi]

Selling stones, what ever next.

[@matthew9643]

Better the devil you no than the devil you don't plus what got caught fresh air

[@alanh2062]

No benefit of using these imo except one, we are not leaving lead in the lake, 3oz is 3oz whatever it is, a carp has no differentiation between a similar shaped or colour stone or lead be it over all substrate.

[@ontcarpn]

Not leaving lead on the lake bottom should be enough of a reason to make the switch but the added benefits are a bonus 👌 there isn’t more nature presentation then a stone

[@rossturner8581]

The only advantages are in the mind of the user! 😉 I can see a lot of angry fishery owners and carp with torn mouths 😜

[@judz567]

rofl.

[@almon799]

These are out years! and there stupid things

[@paulAnthony7236]

No there not at all so much for your expertise.

[@yeahrightok.3975]

@@paulAnthony7236 🤣🤣🤣 expertise? He's right, they are utter shit. If they weren't they wouldn't have to do a video talking them up after they've been out for years and they are notoriously rubbish.

[@paulAnthony7236]

@@yeahrightok.3975 Bullshit.

[@paulAnthony7236]

@@yeahrightok.3975 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ontcarpn]

Try them for your self otherwise your opinion is based on assumption. They really do work well.