PANASONIC LUMIX 7-14mm VS PANASONIC LEICA DG Vario-Elmarit 8-18mm f/2.8-4 ASPH. | 4K VIDEO FOOTAGE

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Marlon Torres

Marlon Torres

Күн бұрын

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@photogenic2010
@photogenic2010 7 жыл бұрын
It's amazing that the old 7~14 Panasonic (that was used as far back as the GH2) still looks better than many Full Frame lenses of today. many of the other big name wides are less sharp or show purple / orange vignetting on very wide end. If you haven't got a wide at all then either of these two would be great.
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob, I have to agree with you. I think both of these lenses are really good, but in my case I prefer the 8-18mm (personal preference). Thanks for stopping by the channel.
@photogenic2010
@photogenic2010 7 жыл бұрын
We have wide spaces in Australia as you do in the states, so I should get me an ultra wide. your evaluation is spot on. For travel the Oly may be a bit big. I'd say the 8-18 wins for having the protective filter thread.
@YOLOnyc
@YOLOnyc 5 жыл бұрын
Thx for the review *The two lenses are remarkably similar* so it's kinda difficult to justify the substantial price of upgrade to the 8-18mm for minimal increase in zoom at the cost of slight loss of maximum width, and better maximum aperture at the cost of a varying aperture (although you could set the 8-18mm to f4 and it'll stay fixed there just like the 7-14mm)
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Eric, thanks for stopping by! Some of the things I like about the 8-18mm is that you don't get that purple flare that you get in the Lumix 7-14mm, it's weather sealed, you can screw on a filter on, and it has a much more flexible range on the long end (14 vs 18mm, 8mm difference in terms of 35mm equivalent), and after using both lenses for a while I can tell you that the 8-18mm outperforms the Lumix 7-14. Also, the 8-18mm is currently $100 more than the 7-14mm brand new. Not saying the 7-14 is not good, it's good lens too, but if I were in the market for either one of these I'd go with the 8-18mm.
@thevideotourguy7072
@thevideotourguy7072 6 жыл бұрын
Marlon! This video really helped me make a decision on which one to get for my new G9....soon to be purchased. I’ll be getting the 7-14....that extra 1mm really makes a difference.
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Let me know how you like the G9. I’m also thinking about getting it!
@94bjh97
@94bjh97 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your review!Both lens are very good.But it seems that the Auto Focus on G85 ist not very stable...
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, that G85 af is not great. After filming this I sold it and bought the GH5 and G9 and those had better (not great) AF after getting the firmware updates. Thanks for stopping by!
@RichMaza
@RichMaza 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to do this. Great Comparison! I just wish the new lens had the Image Stabilization. I'm using the 12-60 on my GH5 and want to go wider, but I also want the IS. but that 8-18mm looks really good!
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rich! Keep in mind that the GH5 has in body image stabilization though. Having a lenses with IS like the Lumix 12-35 f/2.8 and the 12-60 plus the ibis in the GH5 gives you the dual i.s. which is nice to have, but the ibis in the gh5 alone is pretty amazing in my opinion and does a great job with lenses that don’t have i.s. I recommend you you rent the lens first and see if ibis is good enough for you.
@ceccu.videos
@ceccu.videos 3 жыл бұрын
At 5:57 there should probably be "Lumix 7-14mm @7mm...", not "Lumix 7-14mm @14mm..." ? And thanks for the helpful video.
@appledadlife
@appledadlife 6 жыл бұрын
Great comparison video, half way through I was like “hey I know that place, that’s downtown Tampa!”.
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 6 жыл бұрын
LOL, yup that's it! Thanks for stopping by!
@spyder000069
@spyder000069 7 жыл бұрын
Great video. I feel like in those examples there wasn't enough difference to justify the price. Plus I do like the wider view of the 7mm in those examples. The one test that might have shown off the 8-18 would be a lower light situation for example filming indoors without a lighting setup. I am thinking general purpose situations like bday parties, family get togethers and such.
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 7 жыл бұрын
I don't think you can go wrong with the 7-14, it is a still a great lens in my opinion. I just have other needs so I went with the 8-18. Thanks for watching!
@rrafaelpaz
@rrafaelpaz 4 жыл бұрын
Great review mate! Even though the 7-14 is wider, I still prefer the 8-18 as it's weather sealed and faster aperture in case you wanna shoot something indoors. Also the 8-18 allows you to use filters which the 7-14 doesnt!
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 4 жыл бұрын
Same here, I ended up selling the 7-14 and kept the 8-18mm. Thanks Rafa!
@sudoroot777
@sudoroot777 6 жыл бұрын
thanks for vid,but I still can't decide which one should i go 7-14 pros: 7mm cons: no normal filter 8-18 pros: normal filter and 18mm extra zoom range cons: more in price btw, I'm tending to go for 8-18 but just doubt about extra 1mm does it really matter
@DennisMeetsWorld
@DennisMeetsWorld 4 жыл бұрын
Nattaphon Amp I know I’m late to this but 8-18mm is also weather sealed.
@GO2CUT
@GO2CUT 7 жыл бұрын
thanks for the detailed comparison :) just bought the "old" 7-14 and I am so excited about it.
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 7 жыл бұрын
André is still a great wide angle lens. Thanks for stopping by!
@DrooliusFilms
@DrooliusFilms 7 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison video! I'm looking at these two lenses currently. I switch from vlogging to photography so I'm curious to see what these lenses capture at full zoom. Thanks for making this video!
@StatementProd
@StatementProd 7 жыл бұрын
thank you, so hard to find a review on the leica 8-18mm I'm buyin it for sure now after watchin this
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 7 жыл бұрын
Glad it helple you out! Thanks for stopping by!
@AnimousArchangel
@AnimousArchangel 6 жыл бұрын
Straight forward, very informative. My budget doesn't allow me to but the leica one, I'm eyeing for the 7-14mm.
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! I used the 7-14 for a long time and it is a good lens too.
@kavalicious1999
@kavalicious1999 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this review! I'm getting into vlogging for my realty business and this was such a perfect video to see! Thank you, Sir!
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 5 жыл бұрын
Adam, thanks for your comment. I appreciate you checking out my channel. Glad O could help.
@ejpmusicandvideo
@ejpmusicandvideo 7 жыл бұрын
Man great video. I like how you get straight to the point on matters. I didn't even know this lens existed so I'm glad you posted it for that reason also. Keep up the good work!
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 7 жыл бұрын
Jimmy, I appreciate that! Thanks for checking my channel out.
@FlashOnTwos
@FlashOnTwos 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great review. I was just starting to look for a lens with these focal lengths, and your video sold me. I appreciate you taking the time to produce this.
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 6 жыл бұрын
My pleasure, glad you found it helpful. Thanks for watching!
@AmyiReport
@AmyiReport 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for making this video. It is very helpful. and you did a great job on comparing these two lens. Really Appreciated.
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Amy!
@MarieLou3M
@MarieLou3M 7 жыл бұрын
I prefer the Leica 8-18mm lens.
@PhilippSchallmeister
@PhilippSchallmeister 4 ай бұрын
Very good job!
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 4 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@rengervanesveld
@rengervanesveld 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review! Did you also check out the Olympus 7-14? Maybe nice to compare that one with the 8-18mm.
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Renger, I would love to do that comparison, but I haven’t been able to get my hands on that lens. If I do, I will definitely make a video on it. Thanks for stopping by my channel!
@rengervanesveld
@rengervanesveld 5 жыл бұрын
@@Marlon_Torres Great! Thanks bro, keep up the good work. I don't have a lot of stuff on my channel, but please check my instagram out: instagram.com/filmsfromrenger for some nice GH5 photography. Or my website for video's: www.rengervanesveld.com
@theshawning
@theshawning 7 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you for the comparison. Do you know why the Leica seemed to have micro-shakes on everything in the background behind you? The Lumix wasn't doing that, it was strange. I noticed it more in the initial comparison when they were both on the tripod. Again, thanks for the video!
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 7 жыл бұрын
Nwahs, I am not sure why that happened. Those particular shots were on the Manfrotto BeFree travel tripod and in the past when I extend it I have noticed some shake in my videos, but I am not sure. Thanks for pointing that out going to look into that.
@Quarantain
@Quarantain 4 жыл бұрын
Very useful video. The overall quality would improve if the voice would toned down a bit though.
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback and thanks for stopping by!
@marekl
@marekl 6 жыл бұрын
I found this video extremely helpful. Thanks very much for the time you put into it.
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Marek, I appreciate it man!
@erwinmayer5033
@erwinmayer5033 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Marlon, great comparison video (even after several years🤣) I think one year ago I was into buying a wide-angle lens, and beside the two Panasonic lenses of your comparison I was also considering the Olympus 7-14mm; while the latter offered the benefit of constant (and for the most focal length higher) aperture, the Pana Leica offers a bigger zoom range into the "normal" focal lengths, and it allows to use conventional filter since the lens is less bulbous and does not protrude. THat is what finally gave the decisive point for the Pana Leica lens, and I enjoy using it very much. And although the optics are clear, I was still surprised to see the difference between 7mm and 8mm, the image is quite diferent, and I could imagine that in narrow space situations this may be a real advantage for the older Pana lens or for the Olympus lens; BR ERwin.
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Erwin, thank you! There is definitely a noticeable difference between 7mm and 8mm with these lenses, but even then my go to lens was the Pana Leica when I shot m43. I loved that lens!
@laurentdegrutere5046
@laurentdegrutere5046 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video, exactly what I was looking for.
@Zack_Darce
@Zack_Darce 6 жыл бұрын
If you used manual mode we would be able to see the differences in light transmission at different focal lengths besides just what the different focal lengths look like..
@SlidVibe
@SlidVibe 6 жыл бұрын
HI, thanks for the review. I have a question about the lenses I probably should have for my Panasonic G7 and GH5 in future. Now I have only one lumix 12-35 mm, but I want to sell it and to buy 7-14 mm for vlogs and 14-140 mm for filming different objects. Could you tell me whether it's good decision or not or could you recommend me better stuff but I don't want to have more than 2 lenses. Thanks in advance!
@WorldTravelingCouple
@WorldTravelingCouple 4 жыл бұрын
Great review, thanks! BTW, what is the name of that awesome music track you are using at church scene??
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 4 жыл бұрын
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@WorldTravelingCouple
@WorldTravelingCouple 4 жыл бұрын
@@Marlon_Torres Thanks Marlon!
@itsryanwilkes
@itsryanwilkes 7 жыл бұрын
Both awesome lenses. I opted for the olympus 7-14mm f2.8 though. I'll have a review on it next week =)
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 7 жыл бұрын
What's up Ryan? Cool man I'll be on the look out for it. Thanks for stopping by!
@BSBBQ
@BSBBQ 7 жыл бұрын
Good vid. I hated the outside wobble in the 7 to 14 panny lens I had in vlogging. So I got rid of it. Where's that review of the oly 7 to 14 at?
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Brandon, I don't have have the Oly 7-14 lens, but head over to Ryan's channel "The Path Less Traveled" he's got a review on the Oly 7-14. Thanks for stopping by!
@SeanTheRightWay
@SeanTheRightWay 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome video man! I just got the 7-14 but still within return policy. I wish the 8-18 was a smudge wider for vlogging it's my only hangup.
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Sean, Thanks man! You know today I was reviewing more footage that I filmed with the 8-18 and I went back and watched so of my vlogs that I filmed with the 7-14 and I think I do prefer that extra mm for vlogging. However, I prefer the range of the 8-18 and so right now I am not sure which one I want to keep. We'll see, thanks for stopping by my channel.
@Zumaa
@Zumaa 7 жыл бұрын
olympus 7-14mm is best cus its wide than 8mm which m43 terms is alot wider for vlogging and its constant 2.8 not 2.8-4
@GlennUpgraded
@GlennUpgraded 7 жыл бұрын
Zumaa is there still an AF with the Oly 7-14 with the g85?
@DennisMeetsWorld
@DennisMeetsWorld 4 ай бұрын
Speaking from experience, the Oly 7-14 f2.8 has horrible lens flare. Any type of light source hitting the lens (even with the built in lens hood) whether indoors or outdoors, will render ugly flare in your image. The AF would cause a weird “zoom jump” in video every time it would try to regain focus in AFC, it is very jarring and looks so unprofessional. I think it’s because it’s an Olympics lens trying to communicate with a Panasonic body (i shoot with a GH5). I sold mine because of those issues.
@MikeleKonstantyFiedorowiczIV
@MikeleKonstantyFiedorowiczIV 6 жыл бұрын
So panasonic lens is better?
@GhettoDefender
@GhettoDefender 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you for posting! Great comparison!
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Esteban! Glad to help! Thanks for stopping by my channel too!
@UCTeeth
@UCTeeth 7 жыл бұрын
I like the 8-18mm a tiny bit more I think. ah man I don't miss the constant focus search from panasonic, but image quality is top notch
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah man, if Panasonic could get there autofocus to be like Canon's Duel Pixel Autofocus; they would be the "perfect" cameras for video. For now I can deal with it. I don't feel like I get it a lot, but does happen once in a while.
@CabinKrue
@CabinKrue 7 жыл бұрын
Whats up man, I really enjoyed this video. It was exactly what I have been looking for. My girlfriend wants to get into vloging so we got the Lumix g7 and the kit lens makes it hard to fit her face in the screen when she is holding the camera (she has short arms). We want to get a wider lens but I would also like it to have POWER O.I.S. because her videos are so shaky and I dont think the MEGA O.I.S. is cutting it. What would you recommend? I know almost nothing about cameras and lens. Thanks for any advice. I Think I like the panasonic leica 8-18 lens more but dang is it expensive.
@Evolve816
@Evolve816 6 жыл бұрын
Dang man, did you ever make a decision? I am in the same situation. I've had the G7 for 8 months now, but I'm looking for a wider lens, but that price tag is crazy expensive. I may just spend $300 and get a Rokinon wide angle. Since with a MFT, the cropping won't show as much curvature. Let me know what you guys ended up doing.
@Mraz75
@Mraz75 Жыл бұрын
That 7-14mm is awesome
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres Жыл бұрын
It's a great lens tbh!
@43griffins
@43griffins 6 жыл бұрын
Super helpful. Thanks man
@yudiherdiana4979
@yudiherdiana4979 6 жыл бұрын
Huge thanks for this video...
@TheTravelersPlanet
@TheTravelersPlanet 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video! So nice
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for stopping by Casper! I appreciate it!
@TheTravelersPlanet
@TheTravelersPlanet 6 жыл бұрын
MarlonPTY no problem man. Why is the 7-14 so Dark?
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 6 жыл бұрын
It's an F/4 lens and doesn't allow that much light in.
@TheTravelersPlanet
@TheTravelersPlanet 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah i know, but the iso would normaly just go up. Did you set the iso or leaved it at auto
@andrewvitti8468
@andrewvitti8468 7 жыл бұрын
Finally! I've been waiting for someone to review the 8-18mm. There are no reviews on this lens while vlogging so thank you! Awesome video. I also have the same camera set up, I love the g85. I wanted to ask how you have your autofocus set up? I've been gathering a bunch of footage for my first video and I finally figured out how to get the autofocus fast and accurate while vlogging. What settings are you using? I have autofocus set to +2 on sensitivity, quick af on of course, 1 area select, AFC on, and the trick I found is that when you use 1 area select, make the focus box small and leave it dead center that way the contrast based af system can easily tell when the subject is moving. Most people tend to make the 1 area select box large so their whole body fits in the box, but that makes the af very inaccurate. Wondering if you use the same settings? Again thanks for the video. Subscribed and liked
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 7 жыл бұрын
What's up Andrew! Thanks man, I appreciate that! I too use the same exact settings, and yes minimizing the focus box makes a huge difference. The only time I use the the Face/Eye Detection is in extremely bright settings like at the beach or something because I feel it does a great job in that type of setting. Also, when I am doing talking head shots 95% I'll shoot those in MF, but for the most part I'll stick to the 1 Select area and put the focus box in the center and keep myself framed in there. 👍🏽 Do you have the 8-18mm or are you planning on getting it? Thanks again for stopping by my channel!
@andrewvitti8468
@andrewvitti8468 7 жыл бұрын
Thinking about getting it, I have a 58mm wide angle adapter for the 12-60mm kit lens which does the trick for now but I want the shallow depth of field with the 8-18mm and a variable ND. No problem, its cool to see what people who use the same equipment as me are creating. Shows me there's no excuse not to create cool stuff.
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 7 жыл бұрын
Cool, Iookin' foward to seeing some of you vlogs/videos.
@wcf4831
@wcf4831 6 жыл бұрын
Great review, thanks a lot!
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 6 жыл бұрын
Glad to help out! Thanks!
@angelussinna2248
@angelussinna2248 6 жыл бұрын
I subscribed because you were very clear and to the point and great test footage. And had the VW bus. The bus is awesome.
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 6 жыл бұрын
Hi there! Thank you, I really appreciate it.
@GabeCuello
@GabeCuello 6 жыл бұрын
Believe it or not, I'm starting out on making videos and I truly appreciate your approach to making videos man. I hope you don't mind that I take notes :D For the price difference and overall dominance you get with Leica; I may as well am for that. It just sucks that I have a 12-60mm Leica lens already and really would like to use the 8-10mm ranges.. lol, 1k don't grow outta the culing you know.
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Gabe, thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it. I hear you man, that lens is sweet, but $1k is a pretty penny. I lost the lens hood to it and wanted to replace it with a Panasonic brand one , but it cost $160 just for the lens hood! I was heated when I found out LOL. I've never used the 12-60 lens, but I hear it's a solid lens. Only problem is that it's not as wide. Thanks for stopping by the channel! Glad to hear you're creating too! I'll check your channel out!
@mikeyg4944
@mikeyg4944 7 жыл бұрын
What is the music you used during the landscape segment? I need that in my library.
@YouBDub
@YouBDub 6 жыл бұрын
which ND will you recommend for this lens panasonic 8-18mm? what size for no vignette?
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 6 жыл бұрын
I've been using the ICE 67mm ND1000 Filter (10 Stop Optical Glass) and the Fotga 67mm Slim Fader Variable Adjustable ND2 to ND400 without any issues or vignetting. The link are in the description of box of this video if you want to check them out.
@YouBDub
@YouBDub 6 жыл бұрын
67mm? Really? other places recommend to get a 82mm ND to avoid any vignetting but if you are good with 67mm, I will look into it. Also, have you tried Breakthrough Photography X4 10-Stop ND Filter? Between the Fotga and ICE, which would you prefer? and pros and cons? by the way your video about this lens really help me!
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's the filter size for this lens and I haven't had any issues in terms of vignetting. If there's any is minimal. I haven't tried the Breakthrough filter and between the Fotga and the ICE, I use the Fotga more because it's a variable ND filter. The ICE I use more for long exposure shots in daylight. Hope that helps!
@DynamicLearning4u
@DynamicLearning4u 6 жыл бұрын
Superb review!
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for stopping by!
@PeterLinyov
@PeterLinyov 7 жыл бұрын
Классные очки.
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! :)
@FarithJamli
@FarithJamli 7 жыл бұрын
Does 7-14mm support dual is?
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 7 жыл бұрын
Farith Jamli unfortunately, it does not. If you camera body has in body image stabilization then that will be the only i.s.
@CarGhost
@CarGhost 6 жыл бұрын
You should lock the autofocus of your g85 to your face so it doesn't lose focus. Great video though. I am also using the G85 for my videos, but have no money to upgrade to the 8 - 18 Leika lens. I use the 12-60 kit lens instead and it has been pretty good so far. You get a Like and Subscribe from me.
@willw125
@willw125 7 жыл бұрын
Do you know if the lumix g85 takes 256gb sd cards? The user manual states that it only takes up to 128gb
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 7 жыл бұрын
+W W Hey there! I am currently using a 128gb sd card, but unfortunately I don’t know if a 256gb SD card would work with it.
@yudiherdiana4979
@yudiherdiana4979 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Marlon, at 11:38 did you mean it's @18mm?
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 6 жыл бұрын
11:38 is when the video ends. What time did you mean?
@yudiherdiana4979
@yudiherdiana4979 6 жыл бұрын
@@Marlon_Torres Ohhhh stupid me... I mean 6:06. Sorry
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 6 жыл бұрын
Yudi Herdiana no worries. It was 8mm at f/4, not 18mm.
@Zack_Darce
@Zack_Darce 6 жыл бұрын
What are you doing in aperture priority? manual mode all the way
@YAKNASTYTHATNILLA
@YAKNASTYTHATNILLA 6 жыл бұрын
nice video...thank you
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 👍🏽 I hope it was helpful too.
@yosoyballito
@yosoyballito 7 жыл бұрын
good one bro bless!
@Marlon_Torres
@Marlon_Torres 7 жыл бұрын
+Yo Soy Ballito gracias
@mitosview6166
@mitosview6166 7 жыл бұрын
Nice
@datamedicpr
@datamedicpr 6 жыл бұрын
💯💯💯
@a-bin2326
@a-bin2326 6 жыл бұрын
1:45~1:50 and 2:04~2:13 the leaf behind you look like focus on and of, look like pushing when using Leica 8-18 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bH-lqKiEqtuUqbc i watch this video before i though that might be a special case.... is that happend often? i hope its not,because i was plan to get this Leica8-18 for video...
@mshaftenberg
@mshaftenberg 4 жыл бұрын
I was asking the same myself. Did you buy the 8-18? How is your experience regarding this focus pushing?
@SKLAD_UMA_18
@SKLAD_UMA_18 7 жыл бұрын
LEICA is a killer, as usual... :)))
@shaolin95
@shaolin95 6 жыл бұрын
TheBEDUIN18 not really... More money and not really better
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