PANKRATION KICKS - ΛΑΚΤΙΣΜΑΤΑ ΣΤΟ ΠΑΓΚΡΑΤΙΟ

PANKRATION KICKS - ΛΑΚΤΙΣΜΑΤΑ ΣΤΟ ΠΑΓΚΡΑΤΙΟ
-reconstruction of ancient pankration in modern times
-ανάπλαση του αρχαίου παγκρατίου στην σύγχρονη εποχή
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[@Emre-ut9zh]

Εξαιρετική δουλειά!

[@pankrationchannel2838]

Ευχαριστώ πολύ, να σαι καλά!

[@agniroyai1230]

This channel has the best pankration videos I've seen on KZbin, showing sources for every single technique

[@pankrationchannel2838]

Thank you very much!! :)

[@lilacghost2281]

Man I love these reconstructions, personally It's hard to see the movements in the still vases or statues for me. So these reconstructions are very helpful when visualizing.

[@pankrationchannel2838]

I'm very happy these videos are helpful. Indeed it's hard to see the movements and reconstruct a technique. In these videos I present my perspective. Thank you for your comment

[@bandanamondal8022]

Nice vidio please make more❤❤❤❤❤

[@Yggdraseed]

The way you combine martial arts prowess and knowledge gleaned from history and archaeology to bring pankration to life never fails to put a smile on my face! Your technique with the front kick is beautiful to behold. I need to learn to really commit and push my hips into my front kicks like that; mine always go too low and their aim tends to err.

[@pankrationchannel2838]

Thank you for your kind words Zoe. Tip: at first try to rise your knee at the height you want to strike your opponent and then push your hips out without kicking. ( like a knee strike) when you ll get used of the movement, add the front kick. Thank you for your comment

[@Yggdraseed]

@@pankrationchannel2838 Thank you so much for the advice! I'll have to give that a try next time!

[@WaraniWanua]

Oh my god, thank you very much... I love Greek warfare and martial art

[@pankrationchannel2838]

Thanks for your comment 🙂

[@user-nn9wf3nv9g]

ΠΟΛΥ ΚΑΛΟ ΒΙΝΤΕΟ ΚΑΝΤΕ ΚΑΙ ΕΝΑ ΜΕ ΠΡΟΠΟΝΗΣΗ ΠΑΓΚΡΑΤΙΟ ..

[@pankrationchannel2838]

Ευχαριστώ πολυ. Κάποια στιγμή αν το επιτρεψει ο χρόνος,θα κάνω και ένα βίντεο με την προπονητικη.

[@saemon-X]

Ευχαριστούμε 👏👏👏👏

[@minhucnguyen3789]

Thanks your channel. This is the good martial art.

[@pankrationchannel2838]

Thank you!!

[@boran1]

ως Τούρκος μου αρέσει αυτή η πολεμική τέχνη

[@slayer5571]

Και πάλι, καλή δουλειά!

[@pankrationchannel2838]

Ευχαριστώ, να σαι καλά!

[@Shoegazebasedgenre0.]

looks like casse bass from savate

[@silvananivis9867]

This is so interesting! Thank you

[@pankrationchannel2838]

Glad to hear that you found it interesting. Thank you for your comment

[@thomasharrison6367]

Thank you for the very interesting videos.. when you see the long guard, high stances, low kicks elbows and knees it is very close too Muay Thai or Muay Chaiya which both come from the battlefield art of Krabi -krabong. Is it just necessity is the mother of invention? And it naturally developed from the battlefield? Or the Ancient Greeks past this on to Far East via trade? Or pure coincidence? All the same very interesting...

[@pankrationchannel2838]

Hello Thomas. A lot of pankration historians believe pankration had been spead by Alexander the great. I don't think this is absolutely correct. My opinion is that every nation developed it's own way of fighting due to necessity for survival and through exhanges with other nation they added things. So I believe the reason we see these similarities between muay Thai and pankration is a combination of all the above you mentioned, plus the human Kinesiology which has never changed through the ages. Also all the blocks of traditional systems(karate etc) and defences of modern boxing can be found in ancient pankration(I will make a video) . Thank you for your comment 🙂

[@ProfessionalRetard]

Man the AC Odyssey music really makes you feel like you’re in Ancient Greece. I don’t mean to be annoying but I would really like to know how to do these moves and the ones from the punches video in the other two stances from your other video, and also what the other stances are for and what situations you would use them in. Again, really hope I’m not bothering you, keep up the great work!👍🏻

[@pankrationchannel2838]

You are not bothering me at all my friend.I'm happy your interested in pankration. When I will have enough time(because it takes a lot of time)I'll make a video answering your questions. Thanks for your comment

[@Centurio_1]

I hope we see more videos of you!

[@user-pq5up2fb6m]

I love Pankration!

[@theodorospadelidis6537]

THIS IS SPARTA

[@user-hx3yr3fc3y]

Are they training on a dead pig ? It is good - as a dead pig corpse weigh about 200-220 kilos. While a modern boxing bag is only about 25-35 kilos. 10% of that.

[@pankrationchannel2838]

Yes they are training on a dead pig corpse. Nice odversation 👌

[@franksgreen]

Μπραβο !

[@pankrationchannel2838]

Thank you!!

[@stoikusu5084]

Assassin's Creed Odyssey's theme.. I respect that

[@tatumergo3931]

That seems a very appropriate theme for the video!

[@user-cr2fr4to7j]

🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷

[@MMABreakdowns]

At 0:34 in the video, that statue on the far right, I believe it's meant to represent a leg sweep. It looks like he's kicking out his opponents leg while pulling him towards himself to throw him over. If you ever watch Bokh or Shuai Jiao, you'll see similar movements.

[@tatumergo3931]

It is also known as the Italian kick in Savate, a type of "coup de pied bas". In karate is called fumikomi geri, and it is used to destabilize the opponent for a takedown. Recently there has been a lot of research conducted into Shuai Jiao by karate practioners, looking for the roots of karate and the real applications of the katas. It has come to the realization that original karate in reality was a lot of grappling with strikes. Thus the katas of karate have a lot of similarities with Shuai Jiao techniques which were also present in chinese white crane boxing.

[@MMABreakdowns]

@@tatumergo3931 Yeah I came to the conclusion years ago that basically all traditional martial arts have their base in wrestling/clinch work. Funnily enough I came to that conclusion from watching Shuai Jiao as well and then watching channels like karate culture. And of course researching early pugilism.

[@tatumergo3931]

@@MMABreakdowns. Oh yeah the work of Michael Nguyen, I'm a subscriber and also to the English martial arts channel among others. We're living in good times, how easily we can communicate ideas with each other. For one thing it makes me glad that we're reconstructing and reviving all these ancient lost knowledge. It's like coming full circle after many years of research in libraries and collections!

[@MMABreakdowns]

@@tatumergo3931 same! Right? Even in the last few years when I learned about it I’ve seen this community steadily grow and more people coming to this same conclusion. It makes me really hopeful for the survival of a lot of these arts.

[@vz6715]

I’m an American 🇺🇸 Boxer; but I’ve been studying pankration for MMA (I punch the face tho) anyway I’m your 500th sub

[@pankrationchannel2838]

Thank you 🙏🙏

[@sometimesoperates6214]

Great job! History coming alive through these videos! UFC is nothing new after all :-)

[@pankrationchannel2838]

You are right, UFC is nothing new!!pankration was the MMA of ancient times. History repeats itself :) thank you for your comment!

[@sometimesoperates6214]

@@pankrationchannel2838 Ναί, οι Έλληνες εφευρέθηκαν τα πάντα :-D

[@johnnyd5537]

Very similar to Gracie Jiu Jitsu kicks. These styles of kicks compliment the grappling of GJJ and Pankration as they can lead to a good takedown. Eg. Royce Gracie in the UFC.

[@user-hx3yr3fc3y]

1.10-1.16 I believe: The drawing show a snap front kick with ball of foot. NOT a stomp push kick with the sole or heel as explained !

[@pankrationchannel2838]

Hello my friend. It might be a snap kick, it's hard to tell. I chose to demonstrate a push kick because the description after the front kick demonstration( castor vs itimoneas) describes a push kick to the sternum. Also a famous way to kick in ancient Greece was with the heel ( pternizein). You can't heel kick someone effectively in the stomach with a snap kick, it's better to hit with the ball of the foot. These are the main reasons I chose to demonstrate a push kick. Thank you for your comment 🙂

[@arcadian33333]

εξαιρετικό !! ΕΥΓΕ !!!

[@pankrationchannel2838]

Ευχαριστώ πολυ!!

[@vasiliskapsalis1086]

Τέλειο. Σκοπεύετε να κάνετε κανένα βίντεο με λλαβές ή ρίψεις;

[@pankrationchannel2838]

Ναι κάποια στιγμή θα κάνω και βίντεο με ρίψεις και λαβές. Λόγω φόρτου εργασιας, δεν ανεβάζω συχνά, αλλά σίγουρα θα κάνω ένα βίντεο για τα παραπανω. Ευχαριστώ για το σχόλιο σου

[@vasiliskapsalis1086]

@@pankrationchannel2838 Δεν κάνει τίποτα. Το εκτιμώ βαθύτατα!

[@MetroMania-go6gy]

The Front Kick is also known as the Gastrizein.

[@tatumergo3931]

In what language is that, German?

[@MetroMania-go6gy]

Greek

[@MetroMania-go6gy]

1:14: This is Sparta!

[@wankawanka3053]

This is sparta was real

[@maksymmerkulow5196]

It would be interesting to compare pankration kicks and savate kicks. Are they related?

[@tatumergo3931]

The argument persist today as how much did savate might have evolved from historical European swordsmanship treatises in which kicking was used. Usually it is mostly believed that French sailors created the art of savate, after contact with southeastern Asian cultures. Yet medieval European combat treatises show kicking techniques. There's even an incomplete self-defense manual dating to the early 17th century to late 16th century, that shows kicking techniques.

[@zawarudo6660]

was wine and bread (and meat also?)important daily diet for pankraton fighters? milo of croton's diet was a lot of only those 3 items. wine,meat and bread

[@tatumergo3931]

Don't forget a lot of olives, cheese and figs. A lot of smoke fish might also have been included and in many countries it is believed that lamb and goat meat increases flexibility.

[@kungfuninja9438]

野見宿禰と当麻蹴速の蹴りあいもこんな感じだったのかな？

[@user-hx3yr3fc3y]

I like the Pankration kicks. They fit better a western body than Karate or Taekwon Do kicks.

[@mattmc9812]

Most Western arts don't teach taekwondo type kicks with the exception savate zipota and some Russian martial arts

[@davidxoomer3806]

what do you mean by "fit better a western body" ?

[@mr.purple250]

😂😂😂 “fit better a western body” we’re all human lol, marginally different. Main difference is skull shape and color of skin, hair, and eyes

[@tatumergo3931]

​@@mr.purple250. There's also the skeletal structure, specially the hips and also the head of the femur junction. That is why it's easy for some people to kick high, and not for others. The natural elasticity and flexibility also plays a major part. When was the last time that you saw an Asian woman with broad hips and thick ankles?

[@tatumergo3931]

​@@mattmc9812. It is believed that modern Karate took its kicks from Savate, whether is true or not it is still up in debate. Russian martial arts for the exception of grappling and fisticuffs, are not original to Russia. Borrowing a lot from Eastern martial arts like Bok, ju-jutsu/ judo and Karate.

[@Nick_Nekro]

Were there any round kicks or sweeps?

[@pankrationchannel2838]

I have found only one documented technique of low kick or sweep, it's not clear which technique is. It's a description of a duel between an hoplite and a Pankratiatist. I guess roundhouse kicks used rarely, that's why I still haven't found an illustration on a vase or a description in ancient texts.

[@Nick_Nekro]

@@pankrationchannel2838 do you think the side kick could be interpreted as a high roundhouse also? and following that chai of logic, would a low roundhouse kick follow?

[@kuroto7773]

Was there any Roundhouse Kick in Pankration???

[@tatumergo3931]

Some archeology recreationists have considered that some ancient depictions demonstrate this type of technique. It's probable that Muay thai might have been developed through the influence of a kickboxing martial arts from India. Ancient India was partially invaded by the Macedonians and ancient Greeks.

[@tatumergo3931]

The French kickboxing art of savate is allege to have developed by sailors who came in contact with the people of southeast Asia. Yet kicking techniques have been present in medieval swordsmanship treatises and manuals. Prior to the 18th century there were several manuals of self-defense combat that depict the use of kicking techniques. The manuals are incomplete and impossible to determine if the roundhouse kicking technique was present. Since the roundhouse kick is similar in nature to the crescent kick and something that is easy to execute, it would not be too far fetch to think that it could have existed. It's allegedly believe that modern Karate adopted the roundhouse kicking technique, after the Japanese witnessed a demonstration of savate from a French delegation.

[@Kapanol97]

Μαγκες νεα βιντεο παρακαλω

[@bleakfuture5209]

No roundhouse kick? Αν όχι, γιατι; Υπάρχει κάποιος λόγος;

[@pankrationchannel2838]

Στο βίντεο παρουσιάζω μόνο λακτισματα που έχω βρει στο αρχαιολογικό υλικό που διαθέτω και και το έκανα αυτό για να υπαρχει εγκυρότητα στη δουλεια μου και να μην παρουσιαζω τεχνικές που δεν μπορουν να αποδειχθουν.Πέραν μιας αναφοράς που δεν είναι ξεκάθαρο αν μιλάμε για σάρωση ρίψης η κυκλικό λάκτισμα, δεν υπάρχει κάτι άλλο. Βέβαια δεν αποκλείεται να χρησιμοποιούσαν κυκλικά λακτισματα. Κατά την άποψη μου η έλλειψη π. Χ ψηλών λακτισματων οφείλεται στο υψηλό ρίσκο, και των κυκλικών λακτισματων στη διαμόρφωση της παλαιστρας(άμμος) που δυσκολευε την χρήση αυτών. Είναι πολυπαραγοντικος ο λόγος εν ολίγοις. Ελπίζω να σε κάλυψα 🙂

[@bleakfuture5209]

@@pankrationchannel2838 Με κάλυψες και με το παραπάνω.

[@Red_Neck]

No high kicks ?

[@pankrationchannel2838]

The aren't any archaelogical evidences about high kicks in ancient pankration. In this video I demonstrate only kicks that are documented in the archaelogical record. One reason we can't find high kicks in ancient pankration is the sand of palaistra( arena).tha sand makes mobility difficult. Also there is a high risk when you execute a high kick, especially when wrestling involved in the fight. Thank you for your comment, I hope I answered your question.

[@Red_Neck]

@@pankrationchannel2838 Thank you

[@user-hx3yr3fc3y]

High kicks are dangerous for the kicker His leg might be caught. He needs to train daily flexibility otherwise he can tear muscles . Front snap kick to the groin is more effective. But I guess it was prohobited. Not allowed.

[@babiskatopodis2787]

Φίλε μου έχεις καμία σχέση με κάποιο υπάρχον γυμναστήριο Παγκρατίου ή τα βγάζεις μόνος σου

[@pankrationchannel2838]

Καλησπερα φίλε μου. Δεν έχω καμία σχέση με κανένα γυμναστήριο και καμια Ομοσπονδία παγκρατιου πλεον. Εχω περάσει σαν αθλητής απο το συγχρονο παγκρατιο για κάποιο διάστημα, αλλά επί το πλείστον ασχολουμαι με άλλα μαχητικα αθλήματα εδώ και πολλα χρονια. Τα παραπανω βίντεο είναι προιον προσωπικης ερευνας και αντίληψης περι παγκρατιου.

[@babiskatopodis2787]

@@pankrationchannel2838 Ευχαριστώ για την απάντηση. Παρεμπιπτόντως πολύ ωραία βίντεο, μου φαίνεται άλλαξες το στυλ και στα προηγούμενα ή απλώς τα θύμαμαι λάθος.

[@pankrationchannel2838]

@@babiskatopodis2787 Να σαι καλά, ευχαριστώ για τα καλά σου λόγια. Τι εννοείς άλλαξα στυλ? Στο μοντάζ των βίντεο?

[@mattmc9812]

Don't forget the gastriezien

[@pankrationchannel2838]

Gastrizein is a generic term for strikes to the abdomen( gastir=abdomen) . It means " To perform an action( to strike) to the abdomen". It does not determine the way you strike the abdomen but it determines the hitting area. You can strike the abdomen with front kick, side kick, back kick, knee or you can even punch. We usually use this term for kicks but it is wrong, it could be any strike. Thank you for your comment 🙂

[@MrBrandonStar]

@@pankrationchannel2838 what about roundhouse kicks

[@pankrationchannel2838]

@@MrBrandonStar in this video i demonstrate only kicks that I found from the archaelogical record.Probably pankration athletes used roundhouse kicks (like low kick), but there no archaelogical proof yet. Thanks for the question 🙂

[@lambsauce9544]

Up knees are particularly useful against horsemen

[@tatumergo3931]

You must mean centaurs, because all the depictions shown are against centaurs not horsemen....😅

[@henryhurtado2025]

i think they use roundhouse kick and to hands block and leg catch in this picture www.fightingarts.com/content01/graphics/pankration1.jpg

[@henryhurtado2025]

because the roundhouse kickis very strong, makes you to move the arms in that way, but the front kick beeing less strong you can keep the guard in place

[@tatumergo3931]

That's the image in debate between recreation archeologists, of whether it depicts a roundhouse kick or a front kick. In either case, it's very possible or probable since both kicks are a matter of turning the hips. More than likely it is, similar in execution to a muay thai kick.