This channel is so damn underrated, videos are insane
@historyatwar3 ай бұрын
Thanks :) 🤝
@-XTC-3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. My grandfather (1926) fought in the 23rd panzer division in hungary. Survived the war. There is even a whole combat history book about the 23rd panzer division by Rubentisch with many interesting insights. He lost part of his ear due to severe burn damage after his tank was hit. I inherited the original version, given to all members back in 1963.
@historyatwar3 ай бұрын
Interesting! glad he made it home, I bet he had some amazing stories, if you have any feel free to Email us or DM us on Instagram, I always need first hand stories for our videos, would love to tell his Story, Hungary should be talked about more, I'm going to make a full video about Budapest soon, which is known the Battle of the Stalingrad of the SS, last battles in Hungary were very brutal.
@ragnar2173 ай бұрын
Books?
@erichschimmer77293 ай бұрын
@@historyatwar Hungary? The Pfeilkreuzler. So called because of the Arrow - Cross instead of the Swastika.
@mr.g.53963 ай бұрын
@@ragnar217 Krisztián Ungváry, The Siege of Budapest: One Hundred Days In World War II
@mattclements13483 ай бұрын
Outstanding video,
@historyatwar3 ай бұрын
Let me know your thoughts, Do you think this operation was completely pointless, or could it have been handled differently? How would you have approached it, and would the 6th Panzer Division been better defending Berlin? Instead as Gudarian wanted originally.
@TheSpritz03 ай бұрын
Absolutely futile they (Soviets) would have retaken the area in no time anyways Germany was basically destroyed at that point couldn’t even kick the Allies out of France…
@JeffRachau3 ай бұрын
This offensive was pointless,a waste of lives and resources. Typical of Hitler. I get it, black gold makes the world go around. But pulling back and defending Berlin makes more sense.
@Manuel19763 ай бұрын
Well what was the alternative?
@JeffRachau3 ай бұрын
@@Manuel1976 we are lead to believe the Kursk offensive was the last German offensive in the east,yet this happens in Hungary. Once the Russians broke through the Zeelow heights, French SS troops and old men and boys were left to defend Berlin. It was a waste of everything to do that,in Hungary. What was the point? So AH could prove he sucked at command?
@Manuel19763 ай бұрын
@@JeffRachau it is easy to judge things after 80 years. Germany was doomed în 19444-1945, but the only chance, theoretically, was a suucesful ofensive. Again, it is easy for us today to make assumtions...
@jguth63 ай бұрын
I am so glad I found this channel. Excellent video!! I'm sure this channel will blow up huge soon!
@historyatwar3 ай бұрын
Thank you! Im glad your here 🤝
@ajejebrazorf87313 ай бұрын
Great! Can you make one for the battle of budapest?
@Subcritical963 ай бұрын
Absolutely amazing! Thank you for the in-depth video. The best one I’ve seen yet! And I have seen them all on YT!
@tonyelberg78143 ай бұрын
another brilliant video mate,
@retroblackwulfe34133 ай бұрын
Giving the people good content every week ,im definitely joining the channel.
@historyatwar3 ай бұрын
Appreciate it 🤝
@donnied94323 ай бұрын
Man,! I made it through the whole thing! Excellent, extremely detailed picture of this mess.
@lastmanonearth55803 ай бұрын
I have always been devoted to such Documentaries as "World at War" and "Big Battles" as the benchmarks of the European conflict. But since I began watching this Series, it has been added to my "must watch list" as I have found this to be truly superb indeed.........
@peterparsons71413 ай бұрын
Unique film footage and photos. Excellent music throughout. Very well produced and narrated. Worth watching more than once.
@historyatwar3 ай бұрын
Thank you, glad you enjoyed :)
@moistmike41503 ай бұрын
Old men starting wars and sending young men off to fight, suffer and perish in them. Goddamn war and the warmongers who create them.
@selfrelience93843 ай бұрын
Very true. But sometimes evil men leave good men no choice.
@gfdnnfnfgnfgnАй бұрын
War was declaeed on germany first and ussr was preparing to invade. Dont defend commies
@dkprophett95313 ай бұрын
Superb as always 👍
@danielgreen37153 ай бұрын
An Excellent Video Cheers. People forget that Germany still had some considerable Striking Power left in February/ March 45 and the fact that they were able to move the 6th SS Panzer from Belgium to Hungary and then Go more or less straight into Battle speaks for itself!.(The Bulk of the Fuel needed though was used up Slogging it out with 'General Mud') more than Malinovsky's Tankers and when they did they invariably achieved a Kill Ratio of around 4 or 5 to 1! There are some Excellent Books available about the 1st SS Panzer Division/ Leibstandarte and it's Fighting Retreat all the way back from Hungary to Linz in Austria The Fact that Hitler sent the remaining 'Cream' of His Army to Hungary and Czechslovakia and Schorners Rigid Orders to Hold out at all costs in the end as everywhere else crumbled was because of the Oil and Weapons Research Facilities that were Sighted in those areas ie the Skoda Werke and the underground Factories etc
@redskyatnight1233 ай бұрын
Hay matey could you point me to some books if you don't mind deer fellow
@danielgreen37153 ай бұрын
@@redskyatnight123 Michael Reynolds Wrote an Excellent series of Books on the Waffen SS and writes quite extensively on the Hungarian offensive and subsequent Retreat into Austria .'Son's of the Reich ' About the 2nd SSPZ Corps and 'Men of Steel' and The Devils Adjutant ( About Peiper ,And the Ardennes offensive) Well worth reading Pal
@ColinFreeman-kh9us3 ай бұрын
Thanks Daniel for the comment and book tips mate
@markhorrell92133 ай бұрын
The Germans didn't realise that the Russians had cracked their army codes,so of course the Russians knew they were coming. I beleive this happened around 1942 which is why they ultimately were pushed back so successfully from Stalingrad to the Ruhr
@danielgreen37153 ай бұрын
@@markhorrell9213 Enigma and Bletchley Park Had a Great deal to do with it even though Stalin had penetrated the Abwher very successfully too
@JakeConny123 ай бұрын
Bro Wow, amazing video
@tml7213 ай бұрын
WEATHER!! it will always be a major factor is the out come to any battle
@johnzaferes22572 ай бұрын
Great video! Love your attention to detail to detail and the great videos, keep up the great work!
@SturmmannFabich3 ай бұрын
Hi, thanks for the video! I got a video idea what you would maybe like and its battle for Dukla pass in Slovakia 1944-45.👍🏻
@TheSphee1313 ай бұрын
The last knights of Europa.
@haeuptlingaberja49273 ай бұрын
Yeah, the concentration camps of these noble "knights" were just the pinnacle of Western Civilization, weren't they?
@jesusvdelgado54013 ай бұрын
The last killers knights.
@j3lny4253 ай бұрын
If the SS were knights then I guess the world can do without knighthood.
@sthrich6353 ай бұрын
I suggest people to do a bit of reading on warrior/noble classes in real historical periods of feudalism, the likes of knights or samurai weren't always exactly heroic like those from fairytales
@Jinxohh3 ай бұрын
Brave men that sacrificed for their people
@John-y8z2q3 ай бұрын
love you,re channel , amazing documentary and very informative .
@passthebleach97453 ай бұрын
New kino just dropped🍿
@RubyMarkLindMilly3 ай бұрын
Superb informative stuff excellent all round 👍
@BenTrem423 ай бұрын
4:45 - Nice glimpse of what transpired _post _*_Ardennes._* p.s. I helped produce docos for Radio (CBC Canada) so know how much work goes into every minute. *_Congrats!_*
@1joshjosh13 ай бұрын
Good documentary
@taylorarnold53113 ай бұрын
You should do coverage on all kinds of wars.
@historyatwar3 ай бұрын
Will have another channel coming very soon...
@benjaminlathem27453 ай бұрын
Ww2 is the best tho.
@southwestsideandy3 ай бұрын
Very detailed
@herbertvonsauerkrautunterh25133 ай бұрын
A great time to be alive and join in. I have a good idea and the severity and the hardships record by those that were there but life is an adventure.
@zororosario3 ай бұрын
Excellent video of the best and worst mistakes of hitler.😊Cheers Thanks
@aJarrowLad5253 ай бұрын
Thanking everyone
@robertanderson49173 ай бұрын
A corporal from Austria overruling experienced German generals. That couldn't go well !
@1014kerry2 ай бұрын
a superb program, one of the best i ever viewed! did any one noticed the color shot rtght near the end of the BLOW UP of the FRENCH COLDRON C 714 WITH POLISH SIDE MARKINGS, an incredable rare piece of film, its very quick so use freez frame , check it out,i knew what it was because i am a modeler and have built the HELLER kit , excat markings on the box top! .like to here from others on this.
@jasonmussett21293 ай бұрын
Great Primary Source material
@danielgreen3715Ай бұрын
Michael Reynolds Has Written a Great Account of the Lake Balton Battles and the Subsequent Retreat back into Austria and Eventual Surrender Interesting Video and well worth watching Cheers
@Haziq19923 ай бұрын
Heelllloooo....!!!!!❤❤❤❤ i am love tank combat story than other story .
@thomasshoff65123 ай бұрын
The German army had no country to return to. Most were raised from children modeling soldiers- they knew no other way. An entire generation of people committed to war. What a horrible legacy!
@_Denes3 ай бұрын
The Hungarian military leadership signaled to the Germans that it was not good for an attack there, it was mud and swamp, and the area was also in its name. German leadership did not deal with this, the price became expensive. Irreplaceable German heavy tanks sank, which were then blown up one after the other. They blew up most of the tanks, not the Russians, but themselves. You just had to look at the name of the area, mud meadow and snow melt. Too bad about that. The Hungarian leadership suggested a little further north, not much, but the ground would have been firmer there.
@josephhelm-w2c3 ай бұрын
The Germans fought fearcely for Berlin even though all hope was lost.
@donjoaoresort85653 ай бұрын
There was no fierce fight for Berlin once the Seelow heights fell. There was simply no Army to fight for Berlin.
@anter54573 ай бұрын
Given what Europe has become, we clearly had the wrong enemies during the last world war...
@davidjackson21793 ай бұрын
Europe is fine you’re just a bitter Nazi that hates brown people. You can either cope or seethe about it.
@Hybrid_Strength3 ай бұрын
@@davidjackson2179you don’t see reality, it’s not about “brown” or “black” people. That’s what these elites want you to think so we fight each other.
@Platanis20083 ай бұрын
There was no other option. Without his last major oil production, what resistance could Hitler present? Furthermore, he associated troops that could be used on other fronts, but which front was more critical? Allies knowing German plans and moves is the most at fault factor for such defeats...
@j3lny4253 ай бұрын
Even had they succeeded what would they really gain ? The war would last another 6 weeks so what was the point ? The idea of a victorious outcome especially against the Soviets was ridiculous.
@Platanis20083 ай бұрын
@@j3lny425 My comment tries to justify the decision, ofc it was suicidal, but what other option was there? You lose fuel, you lose tanks and airplanes and self-propelled guns and mobile infantry! At this stage, capitulation was the most rational option, since Hitler didn't get England out of the war in early stages, the war was lost... And when the enemy knows when you're going to attack, with how many forces and what operational planning you follow...then, you're done for!
@diamondcityrebel25713 ай бұрын
10/10
@janmale77673 ай бұрын
Depressing that such great soldiers had to sacrifice so much win so many battles but lose the war! The wrong side won,what a shame!
@ty75743 ай бұрын
56:50 hits hard
@aaronweiner24923 ай бұрын
I don’t really agree with the idea that this offensive or the Ardennes offensive being bad ideas. Yes the Germans could have used those forces for defense but would the outcome of the war been any different? No the Germans would still lose
@selfrelience93843 ай бұрын
it is interesting that the soviets killed millions before/during/after WW2 but they are the good guys in this story. Why did they not recede back to Russia if they were just a liberating force? Their actions suggest this war was not what we are told.
@peterlewis28773 ай бұрын
If you attack a country, after attacking and taking over most of Europe, a country is not going to rest if they get the upper hand on you.
@RealXBit3 ай бұрын
That's not how it happened. The Russians and Allies pincer them and met in Berlin. Germany was then split between both Rus and allies. They stopped because we won
@sjoerdboschker96373 ай бұрын
There are no good guys.
@phann8603 ай бұрын
They were Allies albeit after being Allied to Germany until 22 June 1941. Stalin had his own agenda and the Russians were "Good guys" insofar as they were fighting Germany, the fact Stalin was a psychopath and killed more people than Hitler was due to the fact he was in power longer.
@owensthilaire81893 ай бұрын
Stalin had plans to spread the " revolution " by force of arms before the war started. Knowledge of this was one of the reasons Hitler insisted on invading Russia when he did. The allies decided that " the enemy of my enemy is my friend ".
@ergot573 ай бұрын
I never knew Buddy Holly, The Big Bopper, and Richie all died in Europe during WW2. Well I'll be.
@edwardbishoff15443 ай бұрын
they didn't they died in a plane crash in the US in February 1959.
@ergot573 ай бұрын
@@edwardbishoff1544 yes i know but there is the photo of their crash used in this video
@gmalexander7223 ай бұрын
My man, 'Pazner' in the thumbnail does your good work a disservice
@kohtalainenalias3 ай бұрын
Even despite horrendous losses russians could still muster hundreds of divisions of 'men' and thousands of tanks and planes. Unbelievable.
@sthrich6353 ай бұрын
A little known fact is that Soviet divisions in WW2 were actually smaller in size in organization compared to German or Western Allies division, a full strength Soviet rifle division was barely comparable to half-strength German infantry division - an organizational design stemmed from the broad front of Russia which required forces to spread much more to cover all the ground.
@xXKillaBGXx3 ай бұрын
@@sthrich635I disagree. If you watch the victory parade in Moscow after the war ended, it was clear that the Soviet divisions were massive even with heavy losses. The Soviet Union perhaps had the most conscripted people in the military ever at any given time.
@itsjustomx16563 ай бұрын
@@sthrich635 ur a joke
@mcsmash49053 ай бұрын
@@sthrich635 i believe TIK covered this exact topic several times in his courland pocket series
@kulio12143 ай бұрын
They had a bunch of Asiatic half breed mutts as slaves fighting for them
@chuckMoon-g1j3 ай бұрын
Why was Buddy Holly plane crash in there ? At 8:25
@HealthTubeOfficial_3 ай бұрын
🔥
@jamesrizza26403 ай бұрын
Although the Nazi's were evil, the men who fought for them were caught between a rock and a hard place. I look at their faces and see humans and sometimes myself. What would I have done? I shudder to think about it. Every country's government thinks they are right in what they do, but I look at my own country's history and see the wrongs we have done in the name of patriotism, loyalty and national pride. In the end of it all, it is up to the individual human to decide how they will act and respond to each situation and in the end, live with it.
@_Denes3 ай бұрын
Were Nazis evil? and the communists? They are much better evil. German soldiers fought for their country. They lost, so they became evil. There was just as much care among the Germans as there was between the Russians and the Americans.
@TP-ie3hjАй бұрын
Good video, watched many of your videos. I do think you key in on something that is over stated. This idea that German high command and "internal frictions" played some mass role in the defeat of Germany is way off. Clearly it did not help matters but its over played. There was no way in hell Germany had a chance, from the start. The fact it did what it did is pretty amazing. (from an observers point of view) the narrative is sold that Germany was trying to take over the world and the world was saved by the allies. The old good versus evil. However the truth is far more complicated. The history/story that has been pushed for so long and accepted to the point few people ever question it. So much is taken as fact, yet when one starts to really question the story its pretty easy to find huge holes in it. The Red Army was coming for Germany, this was reason enough to fight to the last man. Those in higher positions knew good and well what awaited Germany. Rarely is this point of view ever discussed as the narrative is too ingrained. Few videos are made about the cost of the war to the Germans and fewer ever think about what these last ditch battles were meant to hold off, for as long as possible. From that point of view it make far more sense.
@benjaminlathem27453 ай бұрын
Bet it sucked to once have been the most formidable army in the world to go to barely making enough fuel and ammo to run your tank.
@jayryan19563 ай бұрын
I always imagined if Germany didn’t draw so much attention to themselves in invading Poland and then trying to invade the rest of Europe/ Russia and spent more time building their factories and technologies with supply/ storage oil and metal reserves. How different it may have been
@xXKillaBGXx3 ай бұрын
@@jayryan1956 Germans were being slaughtered in the former Prussian territories in the newly formed Poland. If Hitler did not act on it, then his approval rating would have went down and the Germans would have disapproved of his leadership.
@Jeffery34643 ай бұрын
@@jayryan1956 germany was getting out scaled by the allies big time, germany only won the battle of france in our time line due to pure luck, horrible ally plans and better tactical tactics. If france and britain had 2 or 3 more years to plan and mobiles, germany would of lost and this isnt even counting the usa.
@benjaminlathem27453 ай бұрын
The germans bit off more than they could chew and wasted valuable resources disposing of the jews and other races they considered lesser. I truly think Hitler just wanted to cause as much death as possible on all sides.
@benjaminlathem27453 ай бұрын
Maybe Hitler wasn't crazy at first but got that way around the end of 41 beginning of 42. Between drugs and his messiah complex began making catastrophic tactical mistakes and never quite got his sh1t together.
@zali133 ай бұрын
Madness. Madness and stupidity.
@rajans39933 ай бұрын
You can defeat an army but not a population .
@rudolfkraffzick6423 ай бұрын
Not true. You can subdue and scatter or expulse a population, thereby destroying it. Even not mainly physically but mentally. This is was happened to a big extend to Germans since the allied armies entered Germany. The truth is, there wasn't made a difference between the Nazi government, its atrocities and the people, even with Germans which lived since centuries outside Germany. This only changed when the US and Russia needed Germans to secure their gains and to save Europes economies from disaster caused by 70 mio. Germans forced to live for years almost under stone age conditions.
@serlistogiette41683 ай бұрын
I recognize the WaW line
@historyatwar3 ай бұрын
Best CoD
@zillsburyy13 ай бұрын
after March it was only straight back
@matebalazs15753 ай бұрын
The 'sár' word in the names of the settlements mean 'mud'. Big surprise for the Germans.
@_Denes3 ай бұрын
1/ Hitler was Austrian, Viennese. He was always proud of that. Vienna was more important to him than Berlin. That's why he ALSO took everything to Hungary from 1944. 2/ Hungary was the last country that sided with the Germans, it was politically important that they were not alone. 3/ Militarily as well, since August 1944 there was a fierce battle with the Russians in the territory of the country, for 9 months. 4/ Important raw materials, including crude oil, were in the country, which was understandably important to the German leadership. Anyway, slightly smaller than the Battle of Kursk in 1943, but also one of the biggest armored clashes of the World War in Hungary, was the "Alföld", or armored battle of Debrecen, in October 1944. By the way, this brought a German (Hungarian) victory, one of the last.....
@kulio12143 ай бұрын
Hungary was an ally and was strategic to the oil fields in Romania.
@_Denes3 ай бұрын
@@kulio1214 In August 1944, the Romanian oil fields fell into Russian hands, so it no longer played a role. EXACTLY this is why Hungarian and Austrian oil appreciated. It was fundamentally important that at least these remain.
@gyozop2 ай бұрын
Hungary being the last ally is a stupid lie. The Slovaks and the Croats were longer, not counting Austria and Japan.
@StephenBaird-cp1fc3 ай бұрын
They should have left the 4th ss panzer corp on the central front, and reinforce with the 6th ss panzer army, the main battle was the central front. Hungry was a side show.
@BernardoIbarrajr-gn6xq3 ай бұрын
Dear SIR YOUR CHANNEL KICKS ASS SO INFORMATIVE SO ON IT I'M GLAD I FOUND THE CHANNEL KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK SIR I'M YOUR VIEWER BERNIE' FROM SAN DIEGO
@pigpaul3 ай бұрын
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@erichschimmer77293 ай бұрын
The " untrained reserve" were the " Volksfront", everyone left between 14- 65 y. Even women were shown how to fire a Panzerfaust ( Bazooka). The Americans were young,but shocked to find themselves fighting against boys, the "Hitlerjugend". My Dad was one of the lucky ones to survive. Russia used child - soldiers too and the average age of GI's in Vietnam was 19y. War is sooo WRONG ✝️
@benjaminlathem27453 ай бұрын
You have to be young for them to indoctrinate you. It's hard to brainwash a 30 year old man.
@voodooofficial67963 ай бұрын
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@FarkmetalАй бұрын
I wonder how they would have fared if they listened to generals like guderian and manstein, Rommel of course. They could have held out much longer if they reserved their offensive elements for defense of the reich
@deanv378Ай бұрын
This offensive makes no sense. The Russians were at the Oder. Mr. Mustache should have listened to Guderian.
@diamondcityrebel25713 ай бұрын
😮
@garynew96373 ай бұрын
Why is the video such poor quality?
@teamgonzo92893 ай бұрын
Interesting. Because I heard different. Through the eyes of the German army. Just saying...................
@rakibalhassan51563 ай бұрын
it's not "Panzer Fury" it's the real fury
@poderosoeuropeo38523 ай бұрын
😮😮😮😮👍👍👍👍
@HuiYingHong-b8q2 ай бұрын
Wondering how do these people thought of hitler? Are they great hitler fans?
@Gerd93.53 ай бұрын
Good video...however...your last question "why did it fail?"...must be a joke. No fuel...no manpower...shitty weather...btw, not "Germany's decision", you explained yourself, that Guderian but no doubt many more higher-ups...had reservations against it. 🤷 The only one who wanted it was Hitler....like a lot of other things. But that's the way war goes.
@kentonge18123 ай бұрын
Hilr was always a cowards way out,
@LEGOBubuS3 ай бұрын
😊🎉❤
@erichschimmer77293 ай бұрын
While this sounds like a strategic "game", it was people torn apart alive and left to die,grown men streaming for their Mothers.....imho those online war "games" are spossed to desensitize young people against killin😢
@jamescorless82833 ай бұрын
Toooooo dark
@kickit593 ай бұрын
It's crazy how many soldiers and equipment Hitler wasted that could of been put to better use defending Germany itself! Stalingrad, Kursk, Fortress cities, Courland Pocket and this Spring Awakening Offensive just to highlight largest loss of troop strength! All of these troops and equipment if they could of been carefully saved would of allowed the Germans to put up a meaningful defense of the homeland!
@wallysmith92613 ай бұрын
America counts the Battle of the Bulge as their biggest Battle. The Eastern Front had about twenty Battles the same size and three of four battles twice as large. By 44 Russia could have finished Germany off by themselves. We just kept the Russians from overrunning the rest of Europe!
@eulipion3 ай бұрын
At that point in the War, anything the Germans tried was merely farting into the Hurricane.
@masudashizue7773 ай бұрын
With all its technological superiority, if Germany had played their chess pieces sensibly instead of waging war with the entire world, things would have turned out much differently.
@mikeypeinado3832 ай бұрын
They didn’t want war they were forced into it
@gfdnnfnfgnfgnАй бұрын
War was declared in them
@WilliamAlanWebb3 ай бұрын
Absolute BS. The SS divisions were less than half their allocated strengths. Absolutely terrible research.
@davidbradshaw15823 ай бұрын
Quagmire giggerty giggerty giggerty
@samlazar10533 ай бұрын
It was not a brutal fight at all. Since 1944 the Russians were literally toying whit the rapidly disentregating Wehrmacht. Btw.They newer had any intention to ocupy east Germany. Thats why Stalin proposed that germany can unite as long as Nato doesn't go further east.He actually wrote it 1950. We all know that Germany was beefed up by cheep credit from the Usa
@MarkPulford-p7i3 ай бұрын
Got no time for Stalin and the Bolsheviks - just as evil and racist as the Nazis. Russians would have been fought to a stalemate by the Germans without supplies from USA and British empire. Uncle Joe WAS interested in colonizing Germany and Central Europe, including Denmark, in an unashamed focus on defending Russia from future attacks from the West. The West likewise wants to defend the very real threat of totalitarian invasion from the East. The nonscence of it all is that the threat for all northern Eurasia, including the people of Russia, is from the totalitarians in China! And of course it's not the people's of the world that are the problem, most of whome want to live in peace, it's our governing elites. We the people have somehow got to find a way to command governments that govern properly, including setting science, human rights and the rule of law at the center of national life. And certainly the current nonscence of placing feelings above science in the woke West has to be challenged otherwise I'm off to Moscow to take up the offer of Asylum. Finally, we should never forget the bravery and sacrifice of our ancestors as well as their war crimes.
@davidstone50943 ай бұрын
My grand father was in the waffen SS 1940-45. He said he was so sorry for cooking GEWS in the ovens. He said poor GEWSS where baked like bagels. He said he was just having a good time trying to chill out. He said too bad they did not have micro wave ovens back then. It would of been faster. .. Grand pa cracks me up when he laughs about all the baking they did. I laugh too. You go Grand ..pa...keep baking them....ha....ha....ha...!!