The Teenage Feud That Divided Figure Skating (a video essay turned rant)

[@elinahakelberg4208]

And this year the same thing basically happened with Anna and Sasha, I hope their friendship is strong enough to not be ruined by all this pressure.

[@BlitheDream]

When he said “she’s young, she’s younger”.... why did I think he was gonna say “she’s Russian, she’s Russian-er” 😂

[@minnie6163]

🤣🤣🤣

[@quasarbeam-maple]

HAHAHAHA

[@karinakurbanova724]

alina is technically, since zhenya has georgian roots

[@emmysty]

As far as I know, Zhenya is Armenian and Alina is Tatar, (a small republic within the Russian federation). So, technically, they are both not ethnic Russian. But who cares, they were born in Russia so that’s what counts.

[@KateKabrinsky]

yea Med is half Armenian, Zagi is Tatar, Tut is half Georgian, true Russian story lmao

[@himeraji]

I feel bad for both girls.... They don't deserve that, medias, coaches, they all destroyed their friendship

[@kieranstark7213]

I couldn’t agree more (maybe someday they will get back together and stop being the negative stereotype that is the catfighting of young women to life), but at least for Selena Gomez and Miley Cyrus, they were proven to be good friends with each other in real life.

[@wickedwitch7456]

So it's basically Alena and evgenia: but we don't hate each other The media: NO

[@Melissa-gy9dp]

I 100% believe Eteri wanted Evgenia to win

[@biggestgymfan7230]

At the Olympics 💯 yes

[@lindatannock]

I think we all did, but why did she backload Alina's programme, knowing hers was worth more points?! To secure Alina 2nd place perhaps, thinking there was no way Evgenia would be beaten in the judges eyes? 🤔

[@Melissa-gy9dp]

@@lindatannock I’m not sure. Didn’t Alina lan an extra jump in the last half of her FS due to missing it at the beginning. I think that added to her points so I’m not sure Eteri was really expecting her to score higher

[@tatiad9505]

@@Melissa-gy9dp weren't all her jumps supposed to be in the second half anyway? including the jump she missed.

[@milka8934]

No, she gave both the tools to give their best, and one edged out the other. She doesn't play "favourite", she wants to break records and hold the podium

[@cinnamegroll]

Skating is already competitive enough it's so unfortunate that such young athletes have to be pitted against each other in such a way, especially since they're basically on the same team

[@Shaytardfan975]

I have no clue how I ended up on this side of the internet, but now I’m stuck in this rabbit hole. Thank you for all of this content I didn’t know I had any interest in

[@sarahfranco6802]

FR LMAO

[@paolala]

READ THE DESCRIPTION BOX. The last thing I want is for more useless fights to start in the comments. Since Zhenya & Alina will be together at the Ice Age gala and the Tutberidze show I just thought it is better we have this discussion now. The media and RusFed wants us to hate each other so let's not give it to them. The fact that the girls aren't besties doesn't mean we have to fight strangers on the internet about who's better. Let's just all be respectful and enjoy our faves. Hope you guys enojy! P.S. Still haven't gotten a single IRL friend to care about FS

[@zeiters2055]

No one cares

[@michelrenehasselberg3468]

@@zeiters2055 Wurstbirne.

[@clairepettie]

This video was so helpful - thanks!

[@arthurtheaardvark13]

I also don’t have IRL friends to talk about this with haha

[@elenamastiukova2787]

They don’t resent each other. Media and fans make it up. Zhenya recently called Alina during the show and asked to help with answering the questions on the show. Alina laughed and said something like: you couldn’t think of anyone better to ask😂😂

[@bhavanar3548]

where can i find that video

[@elenamastiukova2787]

@@bhavanar3548 kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2GlmXdrl8qejNk. Here you are)) it’s in Russian but it’s very understandable who Zhenya calls 😁

[@ii1158]

Это неправда. Алина и её фанаты ненавидят Женю.

[@Angel-xe2tl]

honestly i think the first step is when there is a post about one of them, dont bring up the other one. each time i see a post about alina i see some mean comment that brings her down and hypes evgenia up. and the same thing with evgenia, alina fans bring her down and brings alina up. so i think the first step is not to bring the other one up if they arent there and focus on the one that is there.

[@limeiraleonardo]

They are like Shawn Johnson and Nastia Liukin

[@billywaynecoakley]

Does this remind anyone of the Shawn Johnson vs Nastia Liukin "feud"? They've spoken at length about the rivalry and the hell of the Beijing 2008 aftermath. Medvedeva vs Zagitova has reached epic proportions, but the origin stories of both rivalries are similar in some ways.

[@victorbritogoncalves5129]

I admit i was a shawn hater back then so I loved when Nastia took the All around gold after being overshadowed by shawn for so many competitions. But just after the olympics i started loving them both.

[@nora4642]

Shawn and Nastia are real life friends today still

[@somewhat-blue]

this is so incredibly sad - they both seem lovely and are clearly being taken advantage of by adults in their lives.

[@roberthooton6606]

I thought this vid comprehensively explains it. I think earlier vids of their growing up together prior to the Olympics, better reflects their true relationship in their hearts. Hell, I even saw an excerp in one vid of them making out under water, much to the chagrin of Zhenya's real mom, not Eteri, wth raised eye brows...lmao...kids..I like to think of them getting together, on the sly , now & again ,over vodka shots laughing and giggling over all the "manufactured drama" for the masses that keeps them in the spotlight while the tiny 3 a's or b's whatever,...lol...compete to see how many times or time & a halfs (axle) they can rotate before they become women. Alina & Zhenya will be fine. Though forever linked, they are both gorgeous, gifted young women in their own right...however...This is what sells newspapers, as they used to say. Thanks! Loved the vid. Loved the passion in your voice over. Please keep up the Great work. Coach Hoot

[@MedievalistMuse]

Your channel gives me life in these dark times!

[@philipshane768]

You have such a beautiful voice Paola and very wise insight.

[@klt479]

The Olympics needs an age limit. This is the o ly way to.protect these children. Let them complete in the Olympics once they are age 16. The problem is the problem countries will simply falcify birthdates as they do anti-doping testing regiments and results.

[@ChristineTheHippie]

The age limit alone won't fix it. They need to seriously investigate coaches.

[@klt479]

@@ChristineTheHippie Coaches, counties governing bodies and year around surprise blood testing. If truly surprise year-around blood testing by truly independent bodies and labs is not done, this is all useless.

[@seaquarian]

I hope at least them both being thrown into this situation will strengthen their relationship with each other. No one would understand better what one is going through than the other.

[@sampam123]

one year later and now they're both retired and were cheering side by side at the stands for their russian teammates at the 2022 olympics lol

[@brandondaniels9471]

Yeah as she alluded to in this video... I think this was really much more of a fan base vs. fan base feud than it was actually a skater vs skater feud (the entire time). They were fierce competitors. But they really had no good reason to hate each other.

[@blakemccann445]

Alina is the most gorgeous girl I've ever seen.

[@taebearzuzu4974]

Damn im so new to this scene ive been watching your videos after i came across your beginner's guide video to keep up and i feel so bad for both of them

[@laurani9678]

To be honest, I still don’t really care about Russian figure skaters and the dramas, but I like to listen to you rant, it’s just nice

[@paolala]

you know what, lowkey this is such a nice compliment hahaha

[@pieinside2345]

i just realized that i used to watch your chanel for tessa and scott content lol looks like im back again

[@papawoody9597]

The Russian Skating Federation and Eteri manipulating these two and fans for personal and financial gain. I feel bad for both of them. Like being a teenage girl doesn't have enough drama to begin with. I can't choose between them, but I pick my favorites for my own reasons. (Also, 8:29 MASHA!)

[@Zozo-ke2dl]

is it bad idk who alina actually is i just know evgenia lol I know yuzuru and know how good he is with brian... maybe with brian's coaching, if she returns, we'll see a gold! I hope... Evgenia deserves a gold medal for what she did for modern culture and figure skating. but that's just my opinion, with the context that idk who alina is

[@ophirshemer1046]

Eteri is an extremely effective coach but an emotionally abusive one. She needs to be fired.

[@chbibss]

she isn’t even effective in the long run, she’s great at pushing her skaters to their furthest (triple axels, quads, etc). however her skaters also face lifelong injuries due to eteri’s lack of education on proper techniques and it’s sad :(

[@yelly13mori]

Wait what they have bad blood? The last time I watched figure skating was just right after the 2018 Olympics and back then they looked like great friends. Man, knowing that something like this happened sucks.

[@bobbyokeefe4285]

Big deal,they're the Bird/Magic,Ronaldo/Messi of figure skating people always do that,it's not something new,and they'll continue.

[@gonzalesj91]

I love both of them (well ZHENYA more) but I wish they could get along better than they do now. Of course not forcefully be best friends but better than what they are/became now... It is a bit sad to watch the “Of Ice and Fame” documentary nowadays and see how things turned out. I respect and admire all the female Russian figure skaters, just hope their fandoms don’t add to the hostility of them being against each other like what happened with Zhenya and Alina.

[@bipinshahi9830]

And i can't help her to build her career in figure skating, But I'm pretty sure i can help her to build our modest deadliest cabin on svalbard nearby ghost town. #TopicalMe

[@Griffw06]

IMO both of them are over marked technically, they both have flat/inside edges on lutzes. Evgenias artistry is what makes me like her more than Alina. Also, Zhenya is just charming and so sweet! No one (of this generation of skating) can emote like Zhenya can. (Yuna not included she is queen.)

[@floks5558]

Алина необыкновенно мила и позитивна!

[@weetzybat]

I never even heard about this until now 🤣

[@savannaware]

i just subscribed queen

[@veragorchenina5123]

Evgenia beautiful figure skating!She's is more stable than Alina!!!Alina is not competing at the age of 18.!!!Evgenia at 21years old took a break!

[@ethelrizarri2614]

Remember that Alinas jumps is much better than kenya

[@victoriasb5560]

is her name evgenia or zhenya? that sounds dumb but idk😭

[@KateKabrinsky]

Zhenya is a diminutive form for name Evgenia (female version) or Evgeniy (male version) Also you could see that Sasha is Alexandra (female version) or Alexander (male version) Anya - Anna, no male version there

[@victoriasb5560]

@@KateKabrinsky so kind of like a nickname?

[@KateKabrinsky]

@@victoriasb5560 yes, it often uses for kids, younger ppl than you or friends\buddies can use it. It's like a name for an informal setting. By the way Victoria we call Vika in that way

[@victoriasb5560]

@@KateKabrinsky wait that’s so cool!!!!

[@KateKabrinsky]

@@victoriasb5560 you're welcome 🤗

[@JOSETORRES-ur6em]

fucking genius ETERi....THE MASTER COACH TUTBERIDZA

[@caehlers]

and the next generation begins...

[@alextonelli1834]

They are both basically retiring now anyway so... can we move on ?

[@kosmopolitanna]

This politics behind of these single figure skaters here is disgusting.

[@mastermargarita3926]

Great work👏👏👏

[@ane4ka_beauty88]

There was never a friendship between them. Never. It's sport. Alina was stronger. More artistic. More spectacular. And more polite. Evgenia still has not worked in herself this injury. That's why she's always angry.

[@liitbro]

Alina is not more artistic. Evgenia is not the artistic queen but putting Alina's name alongside the word 'artistry' is a blaspheme.

[@laamelia8430]

Are you serious? "Alina is more artistic". Was this meant to be a joke? Genuinely an insult to every artistic skater out there. No one can beat three mighty artistic trio: Yuna Kim, Evgenia Medvedeva, and Aliona Kostornaia.

[@ane4ka_beauty88]

@@laamelia8430 i agree with Yuna. But not Medvedeva. Simply transitions, tha same presentations. One of many, many skaters.

[@laamelia8430]

@@ane4ka_beauty88 that's you. you are free to differ. but Medvedeva < Zagitova in term of artistry? UMM, BIG NO.

[@floks5558]

Алина артистичнее!

[@stevencoardvenice]

When are you going to a video on the scandal??

[@naturelover5781]

This is better than the kardasian

[@keniagarcia4359]

por que nunca vi la parte de 5:01 en la entrevista 😭😭

[@KateKabrinsky]

0:15 here you are, bunch of haters :D

[@OJMAH]

they look gorgeous. are they surgery ? i don't think so. so natural talented girls that people should take to idolize. kpop singles those lipsick on concerts with surgeries instead on mainstream. most people are more like sheeps then.

[@PV1230]

Both wildly overscored by bought and corrupt judges.

[@fritzwiesler6548]

✨🌸 Alina 🌸 & 🌸 Zhenya 🌸 💕 herzliche Grüße aus Wien 💞 zum 💐Valentinstag 💐 🤟🙏

[@care018]

Whatever, I do not watch and have never watched Evgenia because of Alina. I have always been a big fan of Engevia and nothing changes that or my desire to watch her skate. Not everybody just watches ice skating for a stupid so called"rivalry", there are MANY people who enjoy watching ice skating for the sport and the talent.

[@NicoleW-gx3pv]

Well said!!!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@KolkhozWoman]

How do we find you on twitter?

[@paolala]

my twitter is @ggcncobtsbp but please only use it wisely. i don't wanna be spammed on twitter just because we disagree on some fs opinion 😅

[@KolkhozWoman]

@@paolala of course!

[@FerminaHaddenProakzmia]

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[@garyschnake3125]

They were both on drugs

[@Sasha-pf9os]

I actually don't think so. Evgenia was randomly tested multiple times because of her dominance in 2016/2017, (which is different from the scheduled testing Kami & co failed because that was scheduled in a way that Eteri was able to get the drugs out of their system). Evgenia personally became the face of the Russian appeal for the country to be represented at the Olympics. A lot of people suspect Alina (because she backloaded her programs) but Alina had that power before she joined Eteri. There are actually speculations that Eteri put Zagitova on drugs after her disastrous worlds 2018 performance, and thats why Zagi was training a quad before she retired. This is something the 13 year old Ukrainian skater revealed. But not during the Olympics. Zhenya went to Orser, and was reportedly sent packages of pills from Russia (for her injury) but didn't take them. But their dominance was probably quite organic.(because they didn't do quads, the drugs probably starting coming more into play with 3A, quads) Also Zhenya and Alina didn't have any injuries that would sound like drug abuse, ie Alena being rumored to have her kidneys fail, Sasha/Anna's repeated crazy injuries + Anna's performance at Russian Nationals and miraculous comeback...etc. Zhenya's chronic back issues and injury perfectly made sense with her weaker incorrect technique and mirrored other skaters from other federations with weaker technique.

[@garyschnake3125]

@@Sasha-pf9os She was sent vitamins ? when she was with Brian Orser and stopped taking them. Her career went down hill didn't it.

[@Sasha-pf9os]

@@garyschnake3125 Nope actually, her fused back actually happened right after the Olympics. The reason why Evgenia LEFT Eteri was because she knew she would have to be on some sort of drug to retain her level. (If she was on one already she'd have to be on more) Evgenia didn't have any of the suspicious breaking any of the Eteri girls did later on (+ in her time) and her back is easily explained with how bad her technique was, plenty of figure skaters have that injury. She actually skated her best with Orser technique wise, her 3S/2A >>>. Her consistency was destroyed because of the fact she relearnt all her technique from scratch (even her edges were so bad before) and the fact that her back was bad when she primarily used it to muscle jumps. Therefore she wasn't as secure. Thats why Elizabet Tursynbaeva went to Eteri, she didn't want to deal with the actual uncertainty that comes with proper technique but wanted a higher level of competition, and she also had the heart medication. Same reason why Evgenia was dominating 2015-2016. Wagner/Tennell/Miyahara had better content for one but all 3 were inconsistent because they were jumping more properly (although they had their weaknesses). That's also why Liza (Tutkymsheva) ended up fading after her great junior career for a bit. In actual technique, her jumping was impeeded by consistency, she was incredibly inconsistent (she didn't make it to the Olympics in 2014 for a reason) but over time she improved and is still competing. Properly jumping leads to a level of inconsistency if you're not used to it. But Evgenia ended being top level w Eteri at 19, and even until 20. All the other girls wiped out at 16/17 except maybe Sasha?

[@RaineriHakkarainen]

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[@lole2796]

Alina had more artistry than Eugenia lol

[@aspannas]

Not true at all

[@douglasbrown5671]

Alina has as much artisty as an elephant. Her PCS are the biggest joke in skating since Sotnikova's gold. And I am not even a big Evgenia fan.

[@butterfly6546]

@@douglasbrown5671 Is it that skating with your mouth open and your eyes bulging artistic in your mind.

[@astreqwerty]

sweety pie this is not it... do you think only eteri and the rusfed benefits? it benefits them as much. And of course the are compared. They were vying for the same medal and they were very close at that. It will always follow them as much as it had followd any other rivalry ever. And in these kind of situations the people involved can never be friends at the beginning. they were never friends to begin with. its not the medias fault

[@Vasilia4]

*They're like the Maddie and Chloe of ice-skating. The comparisons have broken the friendship. And against all expectations, Chloe beat Maddie at Nationals* EDIT: Coming back to this comment after a year and having learned more, they're not quite like Maddie and Chloe. Eteri is 100% like Abby Lee Miller though

[@felcityhe1058]

and we all know what happened to maddie and chloe.

[@sarahcorbo3659]

And Eteri is the Abby Lee of figure skating 🤣

[@Jayjen35]

@@felcityhe1058 What?

[@kaiaswrld]

@@sarahcorbo3659 lmaooo she really is tho

[@samelis6546]

@@felcityhe1058 what? I couldn't watch the show because of Abby Lee lmao she's too unlikeable for me and the atmosphere was too toxic and didn't capture the dance world I lived in.

[@optimalrefundable]

it hurts my heart Zhenya went back to Eteri. Brian, and imo, specifically Tracy, was great for her. Canada, was great for her. And now that's all gone. Sad.

[@uroboros4260]

Of course it wasn't. Ever since she joined Brian she stopped being that competitive as she was with Eteri. The only good thing about Brian was that he taught her better step sequence but not the jumps. If she wants to stay competitive and actually win the Olympics, she needs Eteri.

[@optimalrefundable]

@@uroboros4260 you're delusional, but okay. you don't trash your old coach and all the terrible abusive training methods months in advance and then all of a sudden say you're going back of your own free will. we all know Evgenia will never be competitive again anyway, not with that technique.

[@uroboros4260]

@@optimalrefundable abusive training that actually bring results. In the end, that's all that matters in the big sport. Eteri is the best figure skating coach in the world right now (she won that reward in 2020). She made female figure skating better than the male. You westerners just need to stop being jealous of her and Russia's success.

[@gyaanfreak]

@@uroboros4260 when she was in Canada with this Brian guy she became a diva rather than a figure skater.its good she gone back to Russia. Russia is her home. She will be most comfortable there . She can still change her coach but I think eteri personally loves her very much like her own daughter and was heartbroken when evgenia left her.thats why she quickly accepted her as if she was waiting for her return.

[@liitbro]

@@uroboros4260 There's no way that she can win olympics and it has nothing to do with her coach. She lost her competitive edge because she doesn't have the ultra-c elements, which is a must in current ladies' field, and Eteri has never trained a girl at her age to do triple axels and quads. I think she has visibly improved since she joined Brian, and the reason why she went back to eteri is probably because she couldn't train with Brian due to the pandemic.

[@XAngela]

I miss their relationship before they started to resent each other, it’s sad to see really.

[@karupe9982]

they do resent eachother? i didnt know :(

[@Melissa-gy9dp]

@@karupe9982 I think maybe a little bit. I love Evgenia but I think the resentment is coming from her a little, as she left Eteri after Alina won

[@adapienkowska2605]

@@karupe9982 to a point I think they do. Maybe not the other person but at least the idea of the other in the media.

[@elenamastiukova2787]

They don’t resent each other. Media and fans make it up. Zhenya recently called Alina during the show and asked to help with answering the questions on the show. Alina laughed and said something like: you couldn’t think of anyone better to ask😂😂

[@lunafotos634]

Yeah, they looked really close.

[@whitneywilson7182]

I was on the Evgenia train until right after the Olympics when I saw how awful people were being to Alina. They're both extremely talented, but I think they have such different personal styles, you can't really compare them. I hope they start a skating school together one day.

[@DavidR212]

I was in love with Evgenia way before the Alina feud , I trully believe she is a unique artist they dont need this feud , the media need this feud.

[@beckiityler]

While Zhenya is my favourite skater, I support all of them including Alina and think they all deserve so much better than Eteri and the Russian media drama. What I've never understood is why Alina has stayed with Eteri all this time? As a Zhenya fan it makes me really sad to see how Alina was treated by Eteri at the Olympics, and as soon as she started to grow it was clear that Eteri's focus was on the 3A girls and not Alina. I think Alina has shown Eteri way more devotion than Eteri has shown her, and I wish that Alina could have moved to a better coach where she'd find more respect. Zhenya thrived so much more with Brian and she was Eteri's favourite, so imagine how much Alina could have thrived if she had gone to a healthy environment

[@KateKabrinsky]

Alina has made a lot of money with Eteri and became a famous media person. So why did she have to leave Eteri? :D

[@midoriyakyun9488]

Alina probably thinks she owes everything to Eteri who gave her a second chance, and brought her to gold. While I think it’s more on the skater than the coach, in Russia, it’s 50/50 it seems. Not to mention, that Gold medal has brought her all the sponsorships Alina now has, the money security, etc. Her life was set with it.

[@DrScarface74]

Eteri is the best coach in the world, thats why 😀

[@NormaLilia24]

Alina couldn’t have cared less after wining that gold medal. She even said it herself that after winning Olympic gold, she lost motivation bc she pretty much got the highest accomplishment possible. She knew there was no way in hell she was going to beat the 3A girls hence why she went a different direction into tv. She’s “retired” from competing as far as Russian and the rest of the world is concerned she just hasn’t made it official bc of the money that is still coming in from her Olympic title. Perhaps after next Olympic win, she will confirm her retirement and go on to do hosting or whatever endeavor she prefers.

[@KateKabrinsky]

@@NormaLilia24 One months after Olympics the Worlds 17/18 began. She did not perform well, fall 2-3 times as I remember, got 5th place and medds fans hate. But she was achive gold in Worlds 18/19 and by the end of the season 18/19 won all major international competitions (Med could complete the same shit in season 17/18 if won Olympics) after that -> lost motivation, 3A, money making etc :D So sad that she didn't get Worlds 17/18, 2018 could be a "perfect year"

[@lindatannock]

By spreading all this hatred, they've created a monster. It's just horrible. At the end of the day though, does it really matter anymore? Neither of them are going to beat the young up-and-coming skaters anyway, sadly.

[@KateKabrinsky]

Come on girl! You just envy Tutberidze :p

[@roberthooton6606]

Imho, correct....Unless there are changes in age limit, a focus on pre & under rotation and a new emphasis on artistry no, sadly, they don't have a shot in my view. With the heavy emphasis on body ripping "athleticism"...lol. ...it'll most like figure skating feels the need to emulate the perversions of gymnsstics....not to put too fine a point on it...lol. Personally, I 'm losing interesst. coach Hoot

[@roberthooton6606]

"It's almost".... (dah)

[@KateKabrinsky]

damn just rewatched grand prix final 19/20 with Alina. I feel so sad for her. At the end showed happy 3A lil gurls, they was like hey! we are the new generation and the next level of figure skating try to beat us if u can

[@KateKabrinsky]

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[@magicflour]

Eteri is literally the only villain in this narrative

[@yohanes2034]

The simpler time when figure skating drama was between Yuna bots and Mao bots. Now almost every skaters from Russia have drama including their coaches. :D

[@memom2227]

I never really felt the Med/Zag fanwars were all that bad. I guess people don't remember the Kwannabe's against the Tara-ists? The Yunabombers against the Mao-ists? Now THOSE were ugly fanwars.

[@victorbritogoncalves5129]

Yuna vs Mao fans was the most visceral competition

[@raerohan4241]

​@@memom2227 I wasn't around to see that live, but knowing the recent history between Japan and Korea, I can guess that the fights must have been... well, as close to bloody as is possible over the internet. Probably it went beyond _just_ fanwars, and became an analogue for real war

[@jellyrcw12]

Never thought I'd be this deep into ice skating lol

[@sarahfranco6802]

ME TOO

[@mphrdldn]

Maybe because it’s an issue that goes beyond ice skating.

[@angelagotz729]

1:19 for a moment I thought he was going to say "She's more Russian!" XDXD

[@begobolehsjwjangan2359]

she was a queen, until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast her down and take all that she hold dear...

[@begobolehsjwjangan2359]

now Alina is the new zhenya..and the prophecy repeat itself. tomorrow Anna, maybe the day after tomorrow Kamila.

[@darkflame3669]

I always love when fandoms meet each other!! And yes it's sadly true, due to Eteri's coaching technique these girl' body can't make further than 17-18.

[@begobolehsjwjangan2359]

@@darkflame3669 its not coaching technique, its the progressing sport demanded more and more bigger guns if an athlete want to survive. these athletes started from 3-4 years old, retired in 21. other sports athletes started at 12 retired in 30. the life span is the same.

[@annecohen8927]

You know, this actually reminds me of an issue during a competition of who’s the better of the bunch with the five battling each other out for dominance: Irina S., Michelle K., Tara L. Sarah H., and Sasha C.,

[@allier1867]

huh... i actually feel bad for both of them. friendly competition is nice but putting too much pressure on both of them isn't nice at all

[@NINTENDOstarMarth]

This is basically Kudryavtseva vs Mamun all over again lol. Exatly. The. Same.

[@QQ-wl6yt]

Not at all - Yana and Mamun are friendly and even were roommates all along. And Yana seemed at peace with the silver (given her mistake in the penultimate round) from the very moment she finished the last round of performance.

[@karupe9982]

ive always watched this sport without knowing any names or rules, only after seeing Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir on those olympics i got invested in the sport, and ive loved and rooted for Evgenia in every old stream i found or new event ive seen. But then when i tried to watch events with commentary, and after the algorithm saw i liked Evgenia, Alina started popping up everywhere and i thought they were family or something, like cousins(? After deciding i was going to search them in the fandom (bc i watched by myself, never followed anyone on any social media nor took part on the groups or whatever in the fandom) i realized why the algorithm went that way. Still to this day i am able to think of them as separate -bc i actually didnt pay attention to Alina, im sorry, dont at me- but after that team event everyone went nutz and now i get why they appear togheter in those headlines or in the fandom. Now my focus is on the triple A Eteri girls, and there i can say i cant separate them (Sasha, Aliona, Anna), bc i think of one and i think of all three, gadly is not a negative thought, its just like oh waw they have this and that in common (being honest, Anna is the idel one, but my heart always roots for Aliona, Sasha on the other hand stresses me with all the crazy jumps but little care for other elements, she is indeed impressive but nope nope). In conclusion: What media does tho... jesus christ. (im sorry if this is long, as i said i dont interact with the fandom, unless its here in youtube and rarely happens... nor do i have friends to talk about this, have a lovely day

[@magicflour]

You should really learn at least the jumps. Evgenia has a horrible lutz, so I have no idea how people are/were rooting for her to get the gold.

[@savannaware]

ugh i live for your figure skating drama videos

[@bridgetbinion8494]

Eteri was kind of horrible to Alina. Alina earned that Olympic gold medal. She bust her ass to get that medal. I feel genuinely bad for Alina and Evgenia. I bet if they had met a different way, they would've been good friends.

[@skateata1]

I was a figure skater for years so I know how some of this works and let me tell you, the technique they are using would have been so painful for someone who is average weight like I was as a kid and teen. It's not supposed to be done like that because you legit can't do it anymore once you reach a certain weight. Even getting breasts changes things. Im not being dramatic. I'm speaking from experience. I understand why she returned to her coach. Having to change the way you've been doing it for so long you feel like you are starting over (again personal experience) and it's terrifying because it's like being a new Skater all over again.

[@sarahfranco6802]

ooooh wooow

[@dc11truckfd]

Now that I see this and hear the statement about the coach wanting one to win over the other and spending more time with the 2nd place winner than the Olympic Champion, I wonder if THAT is exactly what just happened at the 2022 Olympics?!? It sure looks that way to me! Especially considering how people were questioning why the girl who actually won the Olympics, Shcherbakova, was even allowed to be on the Olympic team in the first place. Eteri certainly left Anna in the winner circle all alone, while spending an unusual amount of time trying to comfort Sasha behind the curtain, so to speak.

[@glow15]

This speaks truth, in volume. I don't think anyone would EVER want to be remembered as the person compared to another person. Of course, competition is the nature of all sports but to make rivalry between two people be the main focus of their whole life and career? It's absolutely insane.

[@pllpsy665]

So basically somebody decided to one day bring boxing and MMA type drama to teen girl sports. Genius

[@evan-vd4fu]

I love the way you say Tutberidze lol

[@paolala]

you know i caught myself saying it kinda in an Italian way a few times 😅

[@KateKabrinsky]

@@paolala you pronounce her last name correctly, even difficult sound "dz" :D

[@ginismoja2459]

@@KateKabrinsky what's difficult about dz?

[@KateKabrinsky]

@@ginismoja2459 Paola pronounce her last name like Russian do. If she pronounced "r" in English way, then the "dz" sound would be blurry to our ears. It should be noted that the sound "dz" is often found in Georgian last names, but not often in Russian language in common. Also "dz" in russian types like "дз" very stressful to see p.s. Georgian there is not about US State Geogria :D

[@fsfan3802]

The amount of happiness I feel every time you upload a video

[@ggobugi13]

Isn't something similar happening with Trusova and Shcherbakova? Not that they hate each other, but it's clear Tutberidze has favorites and seems to give less attention if you aren't winning gold, let alone silvers..

[@doraziyanchen]

thank you so much for this! I constantly see so many people blaming either one of the girls when in reality it was all spurred by media, rusfed, and Eteri. and this channel 1 comp, once again caused by the media and press, just reignited the flames of the feud. and by everyone fighting over who was the immature and bitter one, it's just fueling the flames even more, which is exactly what the media wants so they can get their headlines. as fans, we all just need to recognize this entire toxic rivalry between 2 literal teenagers is neither of the girls' faults and to move on from it, so we're not fanning the flames even more.

[@donkp]

They should make a Netflix show eteri camp drama

[@julesr6965]

i miss their friendship 😭

[@junkfood1991]

Am I the only one who think the same thing is going to happen with Anna S and Kamila V?

[@deryan3364]

Omg I hope this doesn't happen

[@gonzalesj91]

It kind of seems like it to me too. I really hope not, but such is competition. I’ll be really bummed out if it turns out that way.

[@archiouseemerald2268]

not really.

[@midoriyakyun9488]

Anna is consistently a dark horse even though she’s proven herself time and time again. Especially after what she pulled at RusNats, I don’t think anything is stopping her. Kamila is the favored one as Evgenia once was, and Anna has the experience on her side (much less nervous skater), and by her will she will try. ❤️

[@theprinceoftides6836]

@@midoriyakyun9488 Agreed, that is what seperates Anna from the pack at the moment, A champions 💓. Just like with Michelle Kwan 20 years ago, if U Wanna win a comp against Anna, U better bring your A Game, U better be ready for a fight, because just like MK 20 years ago, Anna ain't gonna give it up, U better come and take it.

[@mlr4524]

Honestly, we had this 'back in the day' with the 'Battle of the Brians' lol. No one took it seriously. But then we didn't have social media.

[@anneramones2923]

During Olympic season Zhenya endured pain because of her chronic back injury, pain for her broken foot, psychological pressure, pressure to maintain minimum weight in order to compete with Alina that didn’t have this problem being still a kid( lucky her), pressure to represent Russian athletes in the controversy about the flag and “OAR” AAAAAND after all this crap, Eteri had the audacity to say in a interview that “Zhenya skated well at the Olympics because Alina was dragging her.” Hell ,no, Eteri, Zhenya skated so well and left her heart on ice because skating is her life and she is a fighter. Medvedeva won my heart forever with her grit and courage. And, she competed and won medals at 18,19 and 20. For me the queen ❤️

[@butterfly6546]

Medvedeva was lucky to skate before Alina and 3A

[@anneramones2923]

@@butterfly6546 mh considering how things went for Alina when 3A came around, not winning anything anymore, I wouldn’t say this. Although Zhenya also did not win, she skates in her 20s. Alina had to end her career at 17 and she was already losing to 3A several times...and without serious injuries...the sport evolves so quickly..

[@liitbro]

@@butterfly6546 Alina was lucky to meet the age requirement and came before the 3A. She is incredibly lucky. If you really think about it she has only remain dominant for one season, and I don't recall any preceding olympic gold medalists with such a short-lived career. Regardless, she was the rightful winner and a very, very talented lady.

[@butterfly6546]

@@liitbro Alina Olympiakulta 2018, 2019 world champion isn't it enough for one skater

[@liitbro]

@@butterfly6546 I am responding to your 'lucky' narrative. If you said that Evgenia is lucky to earn her titles, Alina is even luckier.

[@cometasporelcielo]

you make incredible videos. keep this content coming.

[@batodelcastillo4802]

They are amazing both ..!!!! Technically Alina is better ; artistic Evgenia is better ...., but with these system about to gift extra points is the skater do all the jumps in the second part of the routine gifts to Alina the bonus ...., This was very critical and the ISU eliminated this criteria after the Olympics ...........

[@violeteirlys8003]

Alina did win the next year and Zhenya came in second again. So I would still say Alina deserved her win

[@zeiters2055]

No one cares

[@kthy31]

@@zeiters2055 leave then

[@emmysty]

Alina’s 3Lz3Lo was the most expensive cascade and she was the only one to do it in those days

[@zeiters2055]

@@emmysty no one cares

[@tanya16030]

Thank you for saying this! I've been trying to make this point for so long and always get shot down by Alina and Zhenya stans. They're probably so exhasted by now over the fact that for the rest of their lives, people will constantly ask them about this rivalry formulated by Eteri

[@a_gnuest]

"Until my feet bleed and my heart aches" anyone? No? Ok I'll leave

[@TwinkleSmileMe]

i’ve been really curious as to what the problem between them is, since i love alina and evgenia so much. thanks for uploading and this is just sad...

[@CodeDeb]

And neither made the 2022 Olympic team

[@ELI2004able]

love n miss zhenya so much

[@ABSDEFRD]

I personally a huge zhenya fan but I love all Eteri skaters including sasha and Alena becaue Eteri made them big and not plushenko

[@nenavujicin7882]

U'right, Eteri made Alyona & Sasha great, but i really hope that Plu will keep Sasha's quadruples- don't forget, Plu was excellent qidist during his long term career. About Alyona, not sure, but i would like if she restore her 3 Axel.

[@ABSDEFRD]

@@nenavujicin7882 I loved Plushenko as a skater but I can`t stand him as a coach he seemed to me a jealous guy why can`t he not make his own superstars and not try to lure skaters away from Eteri really dislike this .he tried this also with Alina .

[@nenavujicin7882]

@@ABSDEFRD , of course- i would like that Plu create his own superstar- a man, if it possible. Male figure skating in Russia is in deep crisis after Plushy retired. Yes, Misha , Dima,..etc are great, but they aren't on Yuzuru's or Nathan's level, not yet.

[@kthy31]

@@ABSDEFRD I get where youre coming from but Eteri herself almost only takes skaters that have their triple jumps already. The only skater she built from scratch was Evgenia. Also people are allowed to switch coaches - you dont need to "lure" anyone

[@ABSDEFRD]

@@kthy31 Don`t be naive Plushenko is jealous of Eteri producing 1 super star after another .see what he is doing with sasha big mistake from her to change .they tried to lure also Alina away .and building Zhenja from scratch is pretty impressive isn`t it ?.but Plushenko as a skater was amazing

[@rahelhorvat1471]

Both Eteri's daughters are very beautiful young ladies.

[@butterfly6546]

You mean Diana and Medvedeva?

[@nenavujicin7882]

@@butterfly6546 , no- he probably means Diana & Alina. Have U seen Russian team competition? Eteri was all for Alina and her Team, while Zhenya seemed to me somehow '' rejected'' by Eteri.

[@nenavujicin7882]

@9001 , did Eteri confessed to you, personally ?!

[@nenavujicin7882]

@9001 , all coaches have only one interest- to see their students on the podium. Eteri is no exception

[@nenavujicin7882]

@9001 , but we ( you and me,......and the rest of the ppl) actually don't know who Eteri really loves- we have never met Eteri ( in person), and have no right to talk about her ( or anyone else's) feelings.....As i know, Alina and Zhenya are still very popular in Russia, and both girls know the way how to earn money..... Alina is one of the richest girl in Russia ( i don't mind- she deserves it all)... As i've heard- trainings, costumes, ice rinks,.......etc are free for all talent skaters in Russia ( as opposed to other countries, including mine, also, where everything is paid for). Only Plushenko's Angel's academy is private skating school, while ''Sambo 70'', ''CSKK'',....and other skating schools work for free. U mentioned Yullia- as i know, she works in Plushenko's Angel's, participated in many ice shows and still has successful career. Figure skating is very popular sport in Russia ( treated as show business)

[@al.s.3277]

This is so sad, I don’t know why people do this. If y’all want stupid little drama go watch Real House Wives of whatever, KUWTK, etc. Sports are not for those craps and I hate when people turn it into some reality TV drama. 😐

[@KatsumiManami]

"alina's name doesnt pull clicks as long as its not next to evgenia" WRONG. She breathes and its an article topic. And Alina was selected the most influental sportswoman in Russia for 3 YEARS straight, she has worldwide commercial deals, a huge fanbase etc.

[@madisonblinick4674]

the clip with eteri and the girls says so much. look at their faces when she touches them??? so disgusting

[@biancahotca3244]

Yes, but Medeeva came back to Tutberitze. Let’s say that woman Eteri doesn’t look so kind. She looks a little scary.

[@roroses]

So who's gonna make the gay fanfic of this and give me the link tho?