Transformers Needs Humans (Sometimes)

[@littlemisstfc]

Anyone who claims humans are the weakest part of the franchise has never heard of the icon and the moment Agent Fowler.

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

Agent Fowler is easily the best part of prime.

[@FNGSandBNES]

Agent fowler is so goated I could care less he was so funny and was well written imo

[@Venomguy43]

He and agent simmon were one of the best parts of tfp and the bayverse to me

[@TheBabyCaleb]

Fowler is the 🐐

[@murozaki3547]

We need a crossover where he meets Captain Fanzone and Agent Simmon.

[@DeltaTrion]

Transformers needs well written humans…sometimes the hardest part. I do agree though, that the humans have always been an integral part of the franchise. I think people blow out of proportion the issues of the humans. In my mind, there’s more “fine” humans than there are “bad” humans

[@sss-e5j3c]

I love seeing millenia old alien robots trying to handle chaotic ass teenage kids

[@niemampomysunanick5742]

My favorite human characters in Transformers are: 1. Agent Fowler 2. Agent Simmons 3. Charlie Watson

[@4rtf0rm3rs]

I agree with you.

[@GurrenPrime]

How to make the human characters interesting to an adult audience: use them to explore complex themes that the robots alone couldn’t. How to make human characters interesting to a child audience: give them a transforming mecha to pilot that Hasbro can make toys of. Get all Brave Series in there. Also, these should not be seen as mutually exclusive pieces of advice.

[@professordreadwin7959]

I would love to see a story about the Autobots reaction to our real world politics, i honestly think Optimus would be kinda horrified on how some humans treat each other

[@TheRoomforImprovement]

Reminds me of a line from the first movie. Ironhide: Why should we help the humans? They’re a primitive and violent race. Optimus: Were we so different?

[@トーキ-g8v]

@@TheRoomforImprovementalso Optimus had a similar remark to Ratchet in Skybound, where Ratchet calls humans impulsive and violent to their own kind and Optimus quietly goes “exactly the same as us” while Ratchet continues on his tangent. It reminds me of this Analog Horror I watched were the Apollo actually found multiple Earth-like planets but each and everyone of them were completely barren, the culprit were themselves, each and every one of those Earth-esque planets died through mutual destruction. Like the Cybertronians, and if we’re unlucky we humans.

[@FlippySuper]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="578">9:38</a> I commend your hope of TF One getting a sequel despite everything recently.

[@Jojo-nh4qn]

Humans deserve to be in Transformers due to the actions of ONE MAN

[@Quantum_Magnus]

ALONE

[@arcrisgonzaga7324]

BETRAYED BY THE COUNTRY HE LOVES!

[@ackkid5430]

BETRAYED BY THE COUNTRY HE LOVES

[@gavo7911]

Me when I post the Bumblebee opening scene and say “We need a show set on Cybertron with no humans just like the WFC games!” and get 1 billion likes (please ignore the previous three shows set entirely on Cybertron)

[@LauraTuggleAnderson]

HARD agree. Humans have always been apart of tf, and getting rid of them for good doesn't help solve the issues they can cause.

[@kindequation_Arts]

I always hated that the humans have taken up most of the screen time throughout the movies, but it wasn’t until Bumblebee and Rise of the Beasts I started appreciate them more because let’s be real, If we all came in contact with a real transformer in real life, we would all want to help throughout their aventures and build strong relationships with our favorite Autobots.

[@AutobotMedic156]

That's such an insult to Bulkhead. 😭

[@TheBabyCaleb]

Humans are good in TF, however we have had WAY too many humans recently. Give us more TF films with just the transformers

[@eiriksundby]

I really do dislike how the general attitude in the community has become "humans always ruin the story", when that's inherently untrue. People act as if no humans is a recipe success, and having humans is a burden that the writers have to grapple with, rather than them being a tool for the writer to use to tell stories they wouldn't be able to tell without humans. P.S i read the description!

[@AutobotSonicTheTelltaleGamer]

If people say TF is bad without humans when the Bumblebee movie, EarthSpark, and the Skybound comics have AMAZING humans, they're just stupid, lol. TF stories CAN be good with humans, they just have to be involved in the story in interesting ways and not be an afterthought.

[@Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley]

usually, the writers of the movies don't understand that the Transformers are also characters with depth and personality, they just see them as basic machines incapable of carrying an emotional story, hence the story forces a human plot in which the Transformers can be added.

[@thekoifishcoyote8762]

Not necessarily. It's freakin' expensive to 3D model multiple robots with thousands of constantly moving parts.

[@murozaki3547]

Maybe it is because I am a huge fan of the franchise, but I always felt one neat way of including humans in a TF show would be to create something similar to the Defense Teams in Ultraman shows: Groups of humans tasked with defending people and cities from fantastical threats. They are usually portrayed as at best only really helping with slowing the Kaijus and Aliens down before Ultraman comes in to save the day most of the time. (Though recent shows have tried to make them more competent) You could make something similar with Transformers: A group of I dunno, maybe scientists and engineers, who are tasked with researching alien shit and assist the Autobots perhaps.

[@victorfries8859]

I still have to watch the video: The Burns family from Rescue Bots are the best humans. Change my mind.

[@redalert923]

Sari sumdac it’s clearly the best human character (sort of) in transformers

[@danieljoseph8158]

Yeah she's great! Real shame she hasn't made added to any other continuities. I really hope she ends up being included in the skybound comics. Considering in void rivals the main characters and their species are apparently organic and half cybertronian

[@redalert923]

@ how would that work in the story?

[@danieljoseph8158]

@@redalert923 Maybe cobra or gi joe gets their hands on some proto forms and use them to create an army of super soldiers. But one of the scientists (this universe's professor sumdac) realizes that this is wrong and sabotages the operation. However one of the proto forms survives and gets a sample of sumdac's DNA and creates Sari and raises her as his own daughter

[@redalert923]

@ that actually sounds pretty good

[@Orkdestroyer1]

Humans can work, it just needs the right setting for the human characters I personally think the Afghanistan scenes in bayformers 1 were pretty good, its man vs machine and I think lennox is a good human character for this setting. I hope that in the GI joe crossover movie they bring lennox back

[@larryfranco8470]

I remembered playing transformers as a kid with my friends at school i was always optimus prime since i said if they wanted to play with me

[@hrmm41]

I really like humans in transformers when it's done *well*. I'm sick of seeing them as barely fleshed out side characters or barely fleshed out main characters that end up taking away from the transformers personalities and just make them big ol' fighting robots with very little else. If there's depth, I'm game. I love when they delve into how different the cultures are or how similar certain issues that arise have affected both Cybertronians AND humans. I think a lot can be done with the dynamic but I suppose I am quite picky about it. It does also feel out of place to me to see some teenage love plot in a story about an alien war

[@alumlovescake]

I am not a human hater but I am just saying, shows like Prime Wars and the WFC trilogy did not do no human Transformers justice.

[@ashtonthomas2767]

Earth without humans is like a ant-farm without ants or a aquarium without fish personally I don’t mind the human great video

[@razormatrix8904]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="30">0:30</a> when this dropping 😂

[@midwestm0nst3r]

Real, king speaks the truth again naturally

[@gameandmoviecommunity5757]

I just went to the kindergarden to ask the kids, and they all agreed That I should not be here.

[@hatchingfire]

I played as dino, Slash or g1 bumblebee (specifically g1 because everyone wanted to be bumblebee) and then we had a whole war between boys and girls because "girls can't be transformers" lol

[@dylanbarracks3509]

Bold of you to assume we’re still getting transformers two 🥲

[@thechonkbrothers2267]

This not only applies to Transformers, the Godzilla fandom has also been wanting a full film with no human characters, and while I agree that humans in stories that aren’t focused on humans is not a bad idea, and that most of the time it’s just bad writing, I think the main reason why people don’t want humans in these stories is that the non-human characters are still characters in their own right. With the Transformers, it’s obvious that the main reason that the main appeal is that these robots aren’t just mechs, but have personalities, and for Godzilla, while it wasn’t a for sure thing at first, as the franchise grew, and more people expanded on the monsters, the more they started to become more complex and layered than at first glance. These characters are very interesting in their own right, and stories just focusing on them can and has been done very well, but I think these things should be done sparingly, so that people don’t lose the sense of scale and difference between us and them.

[@ignorereasons]

I feel like a lot of Godzilla fans don't actually realize how integral humans are for that formula to work. A Godzilla movie with no human characters could work as like, an experimental, dialogueless art film, but there's absolutely no way either the blockbuster styled films of the Monsterverse, or the more personal stuff like Shin Godzilla and Minus One could ever work without humans. It's not exactly easy to carry a story when your focus is on a monster that can't speak.

[@treebotreviews]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="221">3:41</a> so that’s why you shot my arm off at Costco. Say no more.

[@pizzaruby5140]

Transformers are "robots in disguise"! The whole point (at least, how I see it) is that Transformers is really about how the aliens interact with the human population of Earth. If that's getting stale, maybe we could have a series where Transformers disguise themselves on an alien planet?

[@J-Man1000]

I love Sammy, I love his mental breakdowns in the bay films they really funny and Agent Fowler is cool too.

[@Desto995]

I found Transformers interacting with humans to be the most interesting. Seeing Transformers and humans sharing ideas and just getting to know each other.

[@jonpower9728]

Daniel Witwicky was the first time i can remember realizing habing human kids in Transformers franchises is a bad idea. I enjiyed Beast Wars, the War for Cybertron games, and Transformers One and never thought they couldve improved it with some fleshy humans.

[@shenronsuper]

Can't lie Sari is the best human in tf media

[@TheBabyCaleb]

Sari is great! I think I prefer Jack from TFP but that might be because I haven’t finished Animated yet

[@shenronsuper]

except agent Simons he's the goat

[@thegodzillafandomsrookie5514]

"Human" they say

[@TheBabyCaleb]

@@shenronsuper Oh yeah, Simmons is one of my favorite parts of the otherwise pretty mid (in my opinion, no hate) Bayfilms

[@shenronsuper]

@@TheBabyCaleb fr, he got me through the bayverse tbh

[@greenninjaproductions9457]

I remember when I was younger, me and a friend would play transformers the last knight (we were kids we thought the movie was epic) and I was bumblebee and he was hound, he wasn’t fat or anything he just liked hound’s guns.

[@R.J.Productions616]

Me personally, I enjoy all the humans however admittedly some do tend to get annoying; overall though I'm fine with 'em since they're mainly supposed to be comedic, have heartfelt moments with the 'Bots, and have surprising connections to the bigger plot when necessary. There's definitely room for stories that doesn't include or heavily focus on humans but to COMPLETELY neglect them from the franchise forever is basically not utilizing the main premise or one of the primary planets in the franchise

[@Cliffjumper-k1w]

The issue isn’t the humans, it’s how they’re written.

[@TheOfficialTyrannozilla]

Hot Take: One of the main reasons for me on why TF 2007 is the best Bayverse movie is because the fact it focuses on the human angle for so long it'd make scenes like the arrival to earth less impactful.

[@jahey4763]

Alot of examples of poorly written or boring human characters are from shows or movies that are also poorly written or boring in general human characters are never really uniquely bad in whatever the story is to me

[@titanuskolasaurus2050]

I definitely see your point and I’d actually somewhat agree. But I would definitely argue that if done really well like Transformers one you really don’t need humans, BUT it doesn’t mean you should never use them. Like one of my problems with Cyberverse despite being really well done with the Transformers characters, it is kind of distracting to see these baron landscapes with pretty much zero people. Are you seriously telling me there’s no government agencies trying to like stop these giant robots destroying everything? You might as well put them on cybertron or literally any other planet and not much would change, but stuff with Transformers animated needed humans because they were on earth. That’s the point of them being on it to interact with people. Transformers one is kinda hard to say where it’s going, but personally, I would be completely fine and would prefer no humans in it, since in this universe there’s so much world building they could explore, because if you think about it, why introduce humans as an audience surrogate to discover this world when the Transformers characters already do that, after all they’ve never been in the surface who knows what kinds of interesting conflicts they will introduce. My main point is, humans are completely valid and can be just as good as transformer stuff and whenever doing a story on earth, you should use them. But if your story is more in the Cybertron lore then you really don’t need them and the stories can be just as interesting without them

[@PeggyWhynowhy]

I'm new to the franchise, started with TFOne and then started watching Prime (I'm in the middle of season 2). I do dig the human characters a lot, I adore Miko and Fowler is indeed the GOAT. My only issue related to the humans is I just think Jack is boring as hell. I feel like as along as the humans are actually interesting they can definitely bring a lot to the plot. Bulkhead being like Miko's adoptive dad is like one of my favorite parts of the show. As a kid, I remember there was a period where I was playing as Winx Club with some other kids on the playground and we had this one girl who didn't know about the show and ended up playing as a civilian aiding the fairies until she figured out what was going on. I feel like if I was dragged into some kind of Transformers playground role play, I'd be the one weirdo playing as a human doing a similar role to that since I never watched any of it as a kid.

[@Elemento0420]

The ONLY time this complaint has any validation is the Bay movies because the Transformers are barely characters in those movies. Decepticons were mostly monstrous robots, and Autobots were stereotypes like the twins in ROTF. They were making the Transformers too alien as in they weren't characters we could relate to or understand their motivations. Humans are definitely important to the franchise, but there needs to be a balance. The major difference between Transformers 2007 and the Bumblebee movie was that 2007 spent half of the movie with the human think he had a wierd car while Bumblebee had the human discover the truth about her car and struggle to hide this secret from everyone.

[@alexlemonds2838]

Verity Carlo and Sari Sumdac are the exception not the rule.

[@godzilla44556]

I think humans are basically the best part of every Transformers movie

[@jonpower9728]

You must've hated Transformers One then

[@godzilla44556]

@jonpower9728 no no I like the movie don't get me wrong

[@henry605]

Personally I love the ROBOTS IN “DISGUISE” part but I just REAAAAAALLLLLYYYYYYYY LIKE ROOOOOOBOOOOOOOOOOTTSSSSSS!!!

[@TheBabyCaleb]

Oh damn really? Might be a hot take, but I respect your opinion. Transformers will always be the best part of the films for me

[@Foxy_Gamer64]

okay well being associated with bulkhead ain't that bad he's a whimsical guy with some spacebridge knowledge and strenght soo..

[@broicy9993]

The title caught me so off guard lmao. I thought this was gonna be some spicy hot take about how transformers needs human characters to be good

[@5unnysCorner]

"Robots in Disguise" What the fuck are they disguising and hiding their big robot forms from? A bush?

[@henrymockingbird9645]

Sam witwicky Lennox and epps and agent sermons are the best characters in the transformers franchise to me

[@destinationunown]

I played as no one... nobody else like transformers ;~;

[@marinanieto7670]

I kinda like the one-dimension (ironically enough) robotic-acting humans but in smaller dosages, lol they can serve to create proper comic relief imo

[@madhousestudiosdevious]

Bold move to just assume TF one 2 is happening. Also, Lazarus from Dreamwave is the best Transformers human. Not because he's a good character, but because he's poorly written and no one knows who he is

[@reddead__]

kinda funny that by many sari is considered the best human character and she isn't 100% human

[@WilliamMoeller-rr2op]

Sam is proof that humans can be wrote well, they just aren’t.

[@I-Minecraft-428]

I strongly agree 💯

[@garrusdeltaprime]

I do love the humans from armada and cybertron they def felt apart of the story

[@reymiramos9152]

I think the solution to transformers human problem is to somehow give humans the power to transform into cybertronians themselves because it would make them useful in fighting against the Decepticons and having a good reason to be partners with the Autobots.

[@reginesaguin1191]

They kinda did that with Sari upgraded form and The Cobybot and they were well received from what i know

[@reginesaguin1191]

They kinda did that wirh Sari upgraded form and The Cobybot and they were well received from what i know

[@reymiramos9152]

I'm talking about humans turning into transformers like that old anime super god masterforce.

[@rashadkurnia4733]

Some of the best Transformers stories have humans in it. The most recent one being the Skybound comics. I won't spoil anything so people can check it out for themselves. But the point is, if done well, a lot of great themes can be explored through the relationship and parallels between transformers and humans.

[@caramelcandys]

My favourite human characters in transformers in no particular order are charlie watson, captain fanzone and agent fowler

[@thekoifishcoyote8762]

War for Cybertron made me miss humans. Sure there's a lot of other problems but I wonder how many would be gone if the bots had little squishies to protect, contrast, and banter with.

[@rockmangurlx4973]

I actually like the humans, yet they do need to have a purpose and actually contribute somehow.

[@sidewire8777]

I think it does work for humans especially since usually speaking decepticons have a very “might makes right mentality” “one bots strength over an over”and the humans being weak flesh creature, are the antiphrasis to the Decepticon mentality especially when it’s humans that aid the autobot in the fight against the decepticons and are usually the deciding factor in winning the war

[@rainbowracer9576]

I can see Humans fit in a transformers film or show, if done well of course. (Example like Agent Fowler, Charlie Watson, etc.)

[@JarOfLooseScrews]

Great video, interesting points made.

[@Kashibura]

Remember what we Transformers say:We NEED more Autobots,Decepticons and Cybertron NO humans

[@ImmortalHulk447]

for me they can drop the robots in disguise part

[@Brepnir]

You know who else needs humans sometimes?

[@SM-th7pw]

Alot of people don’t understand that a live action Transformers movie LITERALLY CANNOT FUNCTION without human characters, the reason Transformers don’t get as much screen time is because they are very fucking expensive and time consuming to bring to life. The reality is, to have the Transformers take up a majority of the screen time will take up so much money and time that they simply do not have, it’s either an animated movie that focuses solely on the Transformers (which we finally have), or a live action movie with human leads, no in between. Also the Bay movies have Simmons.

[@masonarmand5198]

Fish

[@milkiassamuel780]

The problem isn't that human characters are the weakest part of the Transformers franchise; it's that *poorly written human characters* are the weakest part of the franchise. While yes the human characters can very much take away the interesting aspect of the Transformers as fleshed-out three-dimensional robots, it's the fact that so often they fail to write compelling ways to make the human characters interesting, because if they are just the bizarre, loud, boring characters we saw in the Micheal Bay movies, then why should we care about them when we could be learning more about the Transformers? What is funny is that we have, in fact, had great human characters in the franchise before in movies, tv series, and comics; as you already stated there, Agent Fowler in Transformers Prime (GOATED character), Sari Sumdac from Transformers: Animated (I know she's half Cybertronian, but I still like her), Rarity (IDW comics), the Molto family (Earthspark), and the current depiction of Spike, Carly and Sparkplug in the Skybound comics are very compelling interpretations. I feel like human characters, if written well, could play as a POV character who can learn from the war of Autobots and Decepticons and reflect our own war and conflicts today. We continue to kill innocent lives just for petty, nonsensical reasons.

[@shealupkes]

maggie and glen were the best human characters in anything transformers related and the bay movies were worse off for not keeping them

[@MarvelandDC379]

I understand people hate annoying or useless human characters but human characters are necessary. I like human characters along with Transformers because it makes the universe feel bigger. If every single character is a transforming robot, it makes the Transformers less special.

[@w.o.4703]

seconding the toxic yaoi trilogy

[@smproductionswrestling3667]

When me and my friends would play Transformers on the playground everyone of us made sure we were size accurate hahaa. You have nothing to be ashamed of, man! 🤣🤣. (In my country TF shows aren't too popular so mostly we played based on the Bayverse.) Everyone always told me I should be Optimus cause I was the tallest in the group, this lean skinny guy would pick Sideswipe because everyone loved Sideswipe. A slightly fatter guy would always be Bumblebee. And a dude a little shorter than me would be Ironhide. One time a short fat dude wanted to join us and he said he wanted to be Bumblebee. The Sideswipe guy stepped up and went "Um, no! You don't suit Bumblebee, Bumblebee's not fat! You should be that green short guy with the gold tooth instead, (turning to me, cause I'm the expert.) what's his name?" "His name is Skids." I said. Poor guy, imagine having to be Skids instead of Bumblebee. Good times. 🤣

[@BoltbusterVideo]

What if everyone complaining about humans in Transformers are just aliens who just want a fully alien movie/show

[@henry605]

Depends

[@axezad9680]

we dont need humans in transformers

[@Mycatisaliteralidiot]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="436">7:16</a> I’m genuinely so tired of people endlessly gassing up Skybound and acting like it’s a sin against mankind not to read it. It’s not all that.

[@sharpscharnier1905]

Transformers needs humans, definitely, but not human CHARACTERS. Using humanity or any other civilisation as a backdrop for exploring the effects and moralities of the transformers brings out the best in the concept, autobots are at their best when they’re protecting the vulnerable, decepticons are coolest when they’re exploiting them. When juxtaposed, humans are always going to be boring and annoying so they’re best kept as props almost.

[@justdobber]

Am i loosing my mind or was this uploaded a month ago i feel like im going crazy

[@bandawin18]

Idk how we went from Sam Witwicky to Mr "I'm an inventor" but it ruined my perception of the human plots to be similar to godzilla movies. Sam was the best in the Bayverse but Noah in RotB was pretty nice too. They had some action interesting stories and the movies they were part of weren't complete dog shit

[@keironknapp7070]

This is what I believe the transformers one series will focus on We had transformers one tell the story of the origen of optimus prime and megatron I believe transformers two will be about the origen of the conflict and the start of the war And the third movie will focus on the war destroying cybertron Then they head to earth for some reason And if they possibly make a fourth movie It will be about the transformers relationship with the humans And if they want to continue making more movies They could decide what to do

[@chickensoup1312]

YES!!!!!!! HUMAN PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!

[@_Bitmen_]

yes very justifed

[@Selena223]

Ngl i don't honestly like Fowler for his cool moments i think his genuinely fine same with other Prime Main Human Cast (-Vince and Sierra) as a kid i never gave a fuck about him but as a Teenager when rewatching Prime i honestly couldn't help but feel bad he was tortured and Bulkhead made me want to jump on screen when he said that Fowler is a Jerk and it made me feel bad for him seriously he didn't deserve the words Bulkhead said about him in Darkness Rising and Jack haved fucking RIGHTS to call me out! No one can convince me what Bulkhead said about Fowler is disgusting, disrespectful and Hypocritical to me and fucked up, not to mention if it didn't work for Jack calling him out his ass out Fowler could have dead from torture Starscream put him through by torturing him! And forget the fact he didn't said shit about the base be happy he managed to be okay despite the torture he could have dead from 💀

[@jacob2776]

Nah I’m good

[@axezad9680]

The story should be about transformers not about humans and transformers

[@axezad9680]

It is called transformers not human and transformers

[@ROWANfrompikmin]

Are transformers trans

[@zaynoonmoses]

There are trans transformers 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍