Parallel LANDINGS!!! PRM and SOIA approaches! Explained by CAPTAIN JOE

[@KenGrimm1949]

Great explanation, Joe. I am a software engineer; I helped to design the PRM system. Some interesting notes: The FAA never wanted PRM; it was driven by demand from airports and airlines. At SFO, the airport authority didn't want it, but one airline did want it, so that airline volunteered to pay for the entire installation. It was that airline whose senior pilots invented the SOIA procedure. It turns out that while it is very difficult for most pilots to learn to reliably fly PRM without forcing breakouts, most pilots master the SOIA procedure quickly and easily.

[@krakenmetzger]

It sounds like the SOIA procedure contains PRM as a sub-procedure, am I wrong?

[@KenGrimm1949]

The way terminology evolves is convoluted. "PRM" is the name of the hardware that makes both procedures possible. That name stuck to the first procedure developed with it. SOIA is a different procedure using the same hardware. The computer modeling for both is basically the same, however, the size and shape of the NTZ is different, and the procedure rules are different. This results in SOIA having a lower probability of predicted intersecting flight paths, hence fewer breakout orders, which is why it is easier to learn.

[@KenGrimm1949]

@@krakenmetzger see kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWm5Z2l3l7V6oJY

[@audigex]

@captain samuel aviator737 The FAA is concerned first and foremost with safety, not traffic density: therefore anything which reduces separation below the usual horizontal separation is going to cause at least some hesitation... the FAA would rather have fewer flights into the airport, maintaining standard separation requirements

[@KenGrimm1949]

@Michael Keller Actually I have begun to make those videos, on several of my other channels. For example, kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqezlHSefbNlabc documents my encounter with Osama bin Laden, and in kzbin.info/www/bejne/a32nmISGlM2Unrc I recall some of the most significant events in my spiritual journey. I haven't gotten to videos about aviation and engineering yet, perhaps someday in "Threescore and Ten" kzbin.info/door/H1MoL058SGnDPgsPcu3fgA

[@billnelson3732]

Fantastic video! I'm a retired controller from SFO, at the 8:00 point on the video, the breakout is actually a Boeing 737 being pulled off the approach to runway 28L. We never allowed heavy aircraft to fly the approach using side-bys (ie, Heavy Boeing 747 along side of a Heavy Boeing 767 etc). What has happened in the video is the Cathay "heavy" (Boeing 747) was overtaking a "large" (B-737) which is not allowed in wake turbulence separation rules. The safest thing to do when the 747 advises they cannot stay behind the 737 and will pass it, is to cancel the 737's approach clearance and bring them back for another try. We typically avoided pulling the widebody off the approach due to the fact they'll create additional wake turbulence issues and have typically already flown for 10-12 hours - we'd like to get them on the ground. Earlier in the video you'll see the Boeing 777 rolling out on 28R overtaking the regional jet on 28L... that's about as close at its ever allowed without someone being taken off the approach. Great video production, really enjoyed it!

[@spencercolgan]

Captain Joe, why don’t you do a video on your scariest flight.

[@rawpicsfpv3516]

Good Idea!

[@dailydaywithgames1192]

You wanna know mine? I was on Ryan air

[@furkancecen9695]

@@dailydaywithgames1192 LOL

[@Peanut3169.2]

@@dailydaywithgames1192 i can top that i was on a train

[@jasonparry9541]

Mine was on British airways I landed my plane and you know them crossed runways one through a nother runways and yeah a Ryan air was ready for take off they went full speed cut there speed then ducted there take of went to taxi as possible so we could land and I landed my plane smooth and fine condition

[@echorogue3113]

*break out manuever occurs KZbinrs: I almost DIED in a PLANE CRASH!!! (Storytime)

[@holypotat0]

Reverse thrust deploys: KZbinrs: OMG MY PLANE'S ENGINE GOT CUT IN HALF

[@jaymicakes]

Planes- *exist* KZbinrs: OH MY GOD I ALMOST DIED *STORY*

[@MasterCR]

@@holypotat0 LOL

[@froherfinger7456]

Fake

[@TheBranbranbrian36]

(NOT CLICKBAIT)

[@coreyhamura3092]

Hey Captain Joe, Ive only experienced this approach once. At the San Francisco Airport I was a passenger on the LDA Approach and I was sitting on the left side of the plane. It was such an exhilarating moment. The pilot let us know what was happening and you could hear the excitement in his voice. Best landing Experience I’ve ever had

[@NovemberAJacks]

if you were not a passenger what were you

[@powxll7633]

November A.Jacks pilot maybe?

[@powxll7633]

November A.Jacks cabin crew. Idk

[@intyente9824]

November A.Jacks learn to read

[@NovemberAJacks]

@@powxll7633 hmmm maybe

[@adamant59]

I am a current ATC at Northern California TRACON and I actually work SFO arrivals. SOIA approaches are run less than 1% of the year at SFO. In the video with the 747 going around you are watching "Side By visuals" that are done in VMC conditions. The reason that the 747 is going around is because heavy jets cannot overtake other aircraft during these operations. All heavy jets are required to be on the ILS PRM to runway 28L during SOIA procedures as wake turbulence does not exist until the visual segment when it is then the pilot's responsibility to provide their own wake turbulence mitigation. If you have any other questions please let me know.

[@JostVanWair]

Lol ok, so, why do rear mounted twinjets, like the MD-80, and first gen 737s with the JT8Ds have literal folding thrust reversers? (they fold upwards out of the engine)

[@adamant59]

I was referring to any other Air Traffic questions. I am not an expert on engine design.

[@JostVanWair]

@@adamant59 sry

[@nikosmanganiotis3519]

Are PRM procedures run most of the year or are regular ILS approaches?

[@WIRRUZZZ]

@@JostVanWair To reverse thrust, you obviously need to change the direction of the gas coming out of the engine. For a turbojet or low bypass turbofan you cannot use reversers that just redirect the bypass air, as is done in high bypass engines, as that would (probably) leave you with a net forward thrust. To achive this, you need to place something behind the engines. The Bombardier CRJs have tail mounted high bypass turbofans and use cascade reversers. Some discussion here: www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=733649

[@gouravdey2856]

I must follow these guidelines while flying in the GTA V

[@kiasoul4lyfe552]

Gourav Dey I tried but a guy in a hydra got mad and blew me up.

[@gouravdey2856]

Okay bro, then you should ask Captain Joe how to beat a Hydra !

[@yasinomidi7525]

@@kiasoul4lyfe552 i got rekt by a flying motorbike.

[@aquaticllamas28]

Gourav Dey You can if you do an Airport RP. I have a group that does it.

[@kleinfeicht]

@@kiasoul4lyfe552 you mean a KD warrior Most times noobs

[@Bobo-bw1uc]

Flying 750 feet close to each other Person: that’s dangerous Blue angels: flys 18inch close

[@dylanlam6745]

Me in GTA V: tries to land stolen hydra on the 747s :)))

[@audigex]

To be fair, a lightly-fuelled F-18 is just a LITTLE more agile than a 747 at MLW...

[@johnjacobjinglehimerschmid3555]

Yeah but the blue angels don't have 100 passengers in that plane with them.

[@HFamilyDad]

I'm 51 and have been into aircraft all my life but never heard of this - thank you so much, you're never too old to learn something new!

[@fl1x05]

@@tobykaminski lol

[@balta1769]

Shrek Sounds pretty suspicious

[@dailydaywithgames1192]

@@balta1769 He might be his grand child😳

[@orbitalpotato9940]

Olympics new event announced: *Synchronized landing*

[@HE4Tgames]

And Ireland -- a team of RyanAir pilots -- come last!

[@adamp.3739]

That'll be interesting, honestly

[@jann326]

I would definitely watch that

[@Atleast37ninjas]

Well we just need the red arrows and we are fine

[@krokodil191]

I did experience brake up procedure...with my ex wife...

[@luckyfilms7306]

Hahahaha

[@craigeagle9209]

this was probably a cheaper brake procedure than a break up with a woman!

[@williamgriffiths]

krokodil196 ummmmm......

[@MrBassdog]

Sad but way too funny !!!

[@carlordena]

Hahaha funny!

[@pelleschwarzberg8848]

I was flying from Schiphol to Rome and I had a PRM approach. I saw that the A320 next to us was coming really close and seconds later we had a brake up procedure!

[@gobah]

Break up procedure? Is that where you break up with your girlfriend when you think you're about to die?

[@jamesburleson1916]

@@gobah no, it's when you correctly follow the breakup checklist at the behest of relationship traffic control, and successfully abort to a single status holding pattern

[@gobah]

@@jamesburleson1916 lmfaoo I can't believe this is a real conversation 😂

[@audigex]

Umm, this is awkward: because Rome don't use PRM approaches... only 5 airports in the world use PRM approaches, and the only airport outside the US that does is Sydney, Australia. (San Francisco, Detroit, Atlanta, and Chicago being the other 4). Rome does have parallel approaches, but you just had a good old fashioned loss of separation, not a PRM approach and breakout.

[@KenGrimm1949]

@@audigex That list is not quite complete; in addition to my involvement with the San Francisco SOIA/PRM, I participated in the design and initial testing of the first two PRM systems, which were at Raleigh-Durham and Minneapolis, and the first PRM outside of the USA, at Hong Kong's then-new Chek Lap Kok airport.

[@typografiti]

Hi Captain Joe, I'm not a pilot, but I am an aviation enthusiast. I love the way you speak and explain stuff. Watched all of your videos. Keep up the great work 👍

[@jordank1404]

I'm super late, but my local airport (5 minutes from my house) KMSP has been doing PRM approaches since 1997!

[@danieldevadas6481]

I'm also late, but did KMSP discontinue PRM? I didn't see any info about that on AirNav.

[@zvj]

I live 15 mins away from KMSP

[@midwestsirens]

I live in Savage! I go spotting at MSP all the time

[@midwestsirens]

@@zvj I live in Savage and go spotting at MSP often

[@KenGrimm1949]

In reply to Daniel Devadas, I would says "Quite likely, yes"; the local FAA office in Minneapolis always hated PRM, and tried their best to get it de-certified when we first installed it. The kept blaming other system faults, such as FRUIT from an out-of-calibration radio on a general aviation aircraft at the hanger, on the new PRM system.

[@TheCreditShifu]

Cool info. But it is scary knowing how complicated and possibly risky it is, would prefer to sit in my seat as a passenger in ignorance!

[@TheCreditShifu]

@@ericolens3 haha yeah you’re right, maybe I should unsubscribe

[@MBS.SA6]

Its not that risky actually, in a bad weather especially cross wind the PRM is not operational.

[@joek5882]

SFO...my "Home Field" and I experience it all the time when coming home. It never gets old!

[@yannickgeudens5192]

Hi Joe, great video again. Can you make a video about cargo pilot VS passenger pilot or long haul pilot VS short and mid rage.

[@mytech6779]

Freight flys at night and has substantially less passenger complaints.

[@thischannelisdead4808]

Yannick Geudens yesssssss! Good idea!

[@Jet2Guy]

Yes please!!

[@SkynetDrone12]

Yes please do this subject!

[@xy-pl7gg]

freight pilots can make more money than compared with non legacy carrier passenger ops.

[@BrianJOlds]

Captain Joe is a true pilot at his core. It's cool to see how excited he got about his SOIA approach experience 😊

[@lukasz.szyper]

The breakout described around 8:05 comes from what You described before. Since the plane on LDA approach has to have the preceding on ILS in sight all the time after the LDA point, they are not allowed to overtake them. When they are about to, a breakout is necessary.

[@flywithcaptainjoe]

Correct

[@pjdhunt]

Thanks for the explanation. As a passenger coming in to SFO I had one of these. However the pattern was weird. On downwind instead of turning left on to base near san mateo bridge we turned right out to sea(westward). We then did a broad circle around to the left and were joined by what looked like a jet fighter on the right as we did what turned out to be a wide, circular base leg. Eventually both planes did the approach you described. On landing I noticed the other plane was a nasa plane. I trained as a glider pilot and am used to formation flying(while soaring). Seeing a dual landing was new to me. Thanks for the explanation!

[@MehulP30]

Hope all is going well with your switch to Boeing!

[@airwipe1639]

Mehul Patel why wouldn’t it be! #BoeingMasterRace

[@monkeman966]

Captain Joe... I just want to say thank you. Because of this glorious channel I discovered to become an airline pilot. I thought about this before a couple times but then I said to myself that it's not what I want to do. BUT When I discovered this channel I thought about the whole thing. Now I see: It is just wonderful to fly and to sit in the cockpit while flying a whole plane! I think this will be my dream job. Thank you for this channel and your videos. Good luck and keep going! Greetings from Germany

[@monkeman966]

Lol mir ist gerade aufgefallen, dass er ja auch deutsch spricht 😁

[@kingjamesg357]

Something tells me that Captain Joe might have had more than one girlfriend. At the same time

[@liamorourke7613]

It's easy when your a pilot, one in San Francisco and one is Sydney 😉 perfect excuse to be away for days at a time due to work requirements 😂

[@kingjamesg357]

@Michael Keller wow seems like somebody doesn't have a sense of humor

[@kingjamesg357]

@Michael Keller wow seems like you doesn't follow his videos because and a lot of his videos he mentioned other women in other states

[@thabangmonnakgotla]

that's exactly what I thought 😂

[@hayabusa1556]

Ya his girlfriend is dutch pilot girl

[@molly_1250]

We coming in land in Sydney on a Qantas flight when an some American plane came into the no transgression zone and we had to do a breakout (it was a PRM approach)

[@KCFlyer2]

Glad I watched to the end...seeing the planes at 0:40, I was wondering about wake turbulence. Explained at the end. Love your videos and subscribed.

[@mcthyyab]

I’m from San Francisco. I see this all the time I land in SFO it’s so great to watch. Hope I land as a pilot in SFO one day. Love your videos. You keep me motivated thank you for all the lessons.

[@annasstorybox7906]

Passengers: OMG this is so close! Fighter pilot about to do mid-air refuling: Hold my near beer

[@audigex]

A fighter (particularly a fighter with a low fuel load) is just a little bit more agile than a widebody...

[@ObamaoZedong]

Blue Angels flying in diamond formation: hold my non-alcoholic hydration formula

[@opwave79]

I was a military brat and I’ve seen F-16s refueling mid flight from inside a C-135. I was 12 at the time and waved to the fighter pilot, who waved back. Coolest memory of my life.

[@joe2mercs]

Years ago I flew into LAX from the East and I was captivated by the view of square after square of residential housing stretching to the horizon. After counting swimming pools for about ten minutes I looked up and just off the left wing there was another jet. It was a surreal experience, like a scene from a science fiction movie, two jets in the afternoon sun flying in close formation over an infinite city.

[@Aurril]

Just wow, I didn't even know that there is something like this. You enlightened and made my day! Thanks for this great video.

[@triple7marc]

I’ve flown into SFO countless times!! It’s so cool how you’re flying over the San Francisco Bay just seconds before landing.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Fascinating Captain....think I'll stick to VFR in my PA28!

[@zanderhamilton7908]

lol

[@johno9507]

4:08 Oscar Juliet Alpha or VH-OJA Was Qantas's first 747-400 and set the record by flying from London to Sydney non stop in 1989, and a aircraft that I've worked on many times. Great to see my home city of Sydney used here.

[@rocketdyneF1]

The more I watch these videos the more respect I have for airline pilots.

[@gregoryjunker3914]

And controllers. Pilots only have to deal with their aircraft and those near them, and see-and-avoid is always in effect (assuming VMC). Controllers have to deal with dozens at a time (including coordinating handoffs between sectors), especially in an airspace as dense as the SFO bravo. There are also two very busy Class C airports under the bravo, as well as numerous Class D. It's really impressive and amazing that there as few incidents (and potential incidents) as there are in that space. The only other airspace I've had experience with, that comes close to the complexity of the SFO Class B is the LA basin (I've not flown on the east coast, I'm sure that NYC area and the DC metro are nightmares to navigate and control).

[@dc5723]

I've experienced a breakout approach at San Francisco Intl Airport (KSFO) where we were approaching 28L in a United 767 and a Asiana 777 encroached into the No Transgression zone and we broke out of the approach, circled the bay area and landed safely this time on 28R. Thanks for the video!

[@binorobin]

3:06 I thought he's going to say "If you get into the transgression zone, you will be shot down". 😂😂 Well this is a joke, please don't take it seriously. 🙏

[@endeavor8]

Being SFO based, i experienced parallel landing multiple times and its always fun and exciting each time. I never knew it was a SOIA approach until today. Thanks for the explanation. Hope you had the opportunity to fly into SFO.

[@windowssonic5953]

My first flight EVER ended in Dallas, we dropped ~200 feet in turbulence. The VERY NEXT FLIGHT we had a parallel landing at Phoenix with a Southwest 7(3/6)7. Give me the chances.

[@brandoncaldwell95]

Ya, i hate Dallas Love Field. Worst design. I swear between the wait, trams, and taxi we could have drove home. Take off made us taxi clear across the airport to take off.

[@SierraGolfNiner]

Live in the SF region and am savvy enough to understand safe separation distances, etc etc. That being said I always wondered about the SUPER close approaches at SFO. So this was super fascinating to learn and explains so much, especially why the right hand aircraft always seems to be the one slightly behind.

[@robertslydell6990]

LOL at the old/new girlfriend comparison. I guess I'm easily entertained in my old age.

[@flywithcaptainjoe]

Haha ;)

[@zimasandibi6176]

Im a school teacher in village in south africa. Captain Joe i dont understand why I'm watching these videos but for some reason I've been glued to your channel for over an hour

[@hikarusugiyama4460]

Captain Joe: woo thats 2 planes flying way too close to eachother Blue angles: am i a joke to you?

[@joshuacraven7562]

First officer joe **

[@pirayv3397]

*Blue Angels

[@mrvelocity9613]

This explains why I always saw another plane on our left at landing (I live in the San Fransico Bay Area).

[@maxon1672]

This is one of your coolest videos yet! I’ll have to watch for this next time I fly commercial into SFO

[@flywithcaptainjoe]

You should ;)

[@saxmanb777]

I have 94 landings at SFO and I’d say a vast majority were just straight visual approaches. They ask if you have your paired traffic in sight. Ok good. Don’t hit each other. Only a couple were the offset LDA or the PRM.

[@DerNesor]

Dad, are we going to crash in that plane ? Don't worry boy, the pilot is having fun Never thought these things are actually fun for the pilots :D

[@Jet-Pack]

It's like flying in formation. Every pilot I know loves that.

[@waynekerr966]

Every pilot loves formation

[@worldcomander]

Pilots lobe what they do the harder the approach is the more fun it is. For example most east coast pilots love DCA river visual approach because they have to actually fly and because it’s tricky

[@michaelconradt8575]

I experienced a breakout on a Lufthansa A340 flight to SFO once. It was a really awesome experience to feel how much power there is in the plane when needed. And it's really awesome to understand the details of that maneuver now, as the pilot only explained that another plane was flying too slow and we would have gotten too close. Thanks for the great explanation!

[@panagiotiskouk6965]

The intro with that WOO that was funny great video Joe well done!!!

[@kelisep_1547]

When I was leaving sfo (San Francisco) there were two planes that looked exactly like 0:46. I saw it two times!! The size comparison of different planes are very cool.

[@mabsalom1]

Great video and, as usual, wonderfully concise. The more I learn, the more I realise just how much I don't know. (paraphrasing Einstein here).

[@dpm-jt8rj]

I have never had the opportunity to fly a PRM or SOIA myself, but I heard that at SFO specifically, when visibility is at a certain minimum that they won't even try the SOIA. The only airport that I have flown approaches into with parallels are around 6,000 feet apart. Interesting landing on one in a Grumman Tiger AA-5B with a MD-11F landing on the parallel! At a mile out I was "ahead" of the MD-11F but at the middle marker location, we were wingtip to wingtip extended and I was given the "Use Caution; Wake Turbulence." I OK'd the caution with a "Thanks," continued to land. I may have felt a little push if I was farther back, that wake could have reached me, I think.

[@MCPilot1201]

Did the audio go static about a minute in for anyone else?

[@johannereago935]

Oh good, I thought it was just me so I came looking for other comments about this

[@k30ngamer28]

Yea for me too

[@flywithcaptainjoe]

Yes, my mircophone battery was low and I didn´t realize it. Sorry for that :(

[@MCPilot1201]

OMG first time a KZbinr has done anything to my comment!

[@ianbarker3710]

I also he.....insi….bre….to......74......insid….five...papa delt…. What.

[@shaunpierce4174]

I love the girlfriend analogy, I bet you never had this situation with Michelle :)

[@speakintothemic3891]

Soya approaches at ksfo are easier if you land on the taxiway (if you know what i mean)

[@ToBeDahlia]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ralfbaechle]

Only TOFU airways flies soya approaches.

[@tjhess2]

Only if you're an Air Canada pilot.

[@kierann9986]

I love it, how his answers can be like 10 words long but no, it’s like 10 mins! I love you vids. 🙂

[@trishaadsharma8563]

Love from india sir.....u r true fan...thanks to u for all the concepts that u made clear..love to watch u

[@maanyavgangaraj8624]

Surya Deepak as an Indian you should be ashamed of yourself. Don’t ever say that

[@azmike1956]

More good stuff Joe! Thanks! I was returning from John Wayne/Orange County to PHX & saw another 737 turning to pick up the north runway as we were going for the south runway. (approaching from the west) It's amazing how close we were to the other approaching flight. We had heavy crosswinds & I thought to myself that we'll be ok but not without undue stress. I was so wrong! Our America West pilot touched down as he corrected for the crosswind as he made contact. So perfect! Some history: I worked on/ OH'd APU's for America West, Southwest, Frontier, Air Cal, US Air, Piedmont, Wien Air Alaska, USN, Braniff, USAF, Project Orbis & so many others. I also performed on wing engine checks & hydraulic repairs & troubleshooting for UPS, FEDEX, Casino Air, CF & Capital. Such a rich & fulfilling career & this doesn't include my work for the D.O.D. (USMC) I just wanted to say that even working in a support position for an MRO shop, you can help ensure a high quality flight product & safety measure for the flying public. Support our troops!🇺🇸😉👍 Please help support Project Orbis so that they can continue to prevent undue blindness! Check out their website to understand their mission & success rate! They, like our military, do an amazing job that no-one hears about. Thanks for letting me ramble.

[@thomaslown4353]

When will you show us a “day in a life”

[@D0539]

Great video! Being based in Melbourne I often fly into Sydney for work and have been a passenger on lots of PRM approaches. The departures are also usually quite fun by the way. Same for KSFO, been on the Qantas 747 lots of times coming in on runway 28. The parallel departures on runways 01R and 01L at KSFO are also super fun.

[@samerhaddad280]

one of your most interesting videos yet captain joe!

[@kenansamedov]

Parallel landing I have seen in Frankfurt am Main (FRA) airport. Just amazing scene!!! Thanks for explanation!

[@thatmofuka556]

Every since I saw an airplane then heard that it was a job It’s now my dream job

[@oldmech619]

A friend of mine was landing an aircraft at Lax. Approach control said do not pass the aircraft on the parallel approach. So he adds power. The f/o rightly spoke up. The Capt replies “Approach didn’t say I couldn’t catch him.” And just a Why Not. True story.

[@christainmarks106]

Cap😮. Would that make the TCAS go off in the approaching planes? Would u have to turn it off?

[@pranzgamingxd6781]

Maybe you switch it over to standby. I didn't hear the TCAS go off in the high alert video.

[@MyraArcadia]

@@pranzgamingxd6781 if u switch it off, then atc wont get detailed data

[@stargazer7644]

If TCAS goes off, you follow the divert instructions. You don't turn TCAS off.

[@seraphina985]

No because TCAS isn't only based on proximity, TCAS is designed to resolve conflicts for one purpose only and that is to avoid collisions. As such the only conflicts it will issue an RA for are those where the plane is both close enough and also is actually on a predicted collision path since parallel lines do not intersect by definition TCAS is not concerned by a plane on a parallel course. Not sure how it works with the other kind as the two paths are not parallel but I would guess that it has something to do with the fact that with both planes descending the expected collision point would actually be at a negative altitude and thus it assumes that you are landing before that, TCAS is built to avoid mid air collisions not ground collisions so that would rather make sense if altitudes bellow some minimum value are outside it's scope.

[@christainmarks106]

@@seraphina985 but whether it's above or below or across... That's still proximity... Right... I mean I'm asking🤷....lol

[@easymac79]

5:40 A TCAS alert during a break-out maneuver, oh man, that would be scary, to say the least. -In crowded airport airspace.

[@Nilguiri]

Hopefully when giving the breakout alert, the ATC don't get their left and right mixed up!

[@ashishpradhan636]

Nilguiri they cant... they know there shit coz theyve been doin it for years

[@ralfbaechle]

ATC are just humans. Maybe not exactly about left and right but not far from KSFO, not a mile east from the Golden Gate Bridge a controller once repeatedly warned me about traffic but for my life of it I couldn't spot it. After minutes the controller then said "ooops, it's from the other direction" ... Welcome to Norcal Approach :) That said, up to that point ATC was very friendly and competent, allowed me to cross the KSFO class B airspace while a jet started its takeoff run right below me on RWY 01R, pushed me even further down north of KSFO so I could basically watch people in the Transamerica building from the side before a quick 1 minute visit to Alcatraz You know the difference between a controller and a pilot? There is none. Pilot makes a mistake - pilot dead. Controller makes a mistake - pilot dead. ;-)

[@snow86241]

No not that left! The other left!!! XD

[@daveg1701]

Ralf Baechle l

[@xy-pl7gg]

Yes, and only the best controllers work at the airports where these approaches are available.

[@willg6331]

Boston Logan has one! It's a prm! I saw a Hainan 787 and an American a321 on the prm!

[@maximeluprano2331]

Beautiful video, can you make a video about a fraighter pilot career pls? All the best one of your folowers

[@annehyams7795]

The crosswind is really challenging and super fun when you know what you are doing, also going overall mountain and you want to descend, there are a lot of challenges in departures and landings, it can be fun at times but other it can be frightening Thank you so much. Annie

[@playerinuse0]

That actually that happen to me when I was landing in JFK 2 same planes parallel landed and I was in it

[@user-or1uo4ct9r]

8:19 what is that airline for the 767? That looks like jet blue, but they don't operate the 767. :\

[@xraymind]

Here is the original video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3Oxapeffb9pl5o The title said it was an UA 757.

[@user-or1uo4ct9r]

@@xraymind Thanks :D

[@originalpatrick6600]

Hey Joe do u ever get bored of flying a airliner?

[@robertslydell6990]

Obviously I won't speak for Joe, but my uncle is a retired airline pilot who flew fighters in the U.S. Air Force before that. To this day, he is STILL the only person I have ever met who said he has never had a bad day at work. I didn't ask him if that included his time flying missions in Vietnam, but it wouldn't surprise me if it did. Now he's 75 and has a "part time" (I quote only because it's usually full time) job training low time pilots in a simulator. The man simply loves to fly.

[@originalpatrick6600]

@@robertslydell6990 thanks. I saw one video about becoming a ag pilot and he said people get bored as an airline pilot. But how can you get bored flying around the world in a jet plane and staying at holiday destinations

[@carmengrace2413]

Landin Rebennack For the vast majority of pilots, even if you’re flying to a holiday spot means heading to next gate for the turnaround flight home.

[@Westhamsterdam]

@@originalpatrick6600 You can get very seriously sick. An airline worker has around 1/12 chance of cancer before 60.

[@paddyinjapan8064]

Haneda Airport, Tokyo has a PRM approach - Runways 34 L and 34 R... I've experienced this approach 3 times now and it's always very interesting! Thanks for the in-depth explanation!!

[@rohittved]

Just DutchPilotGirl uploaded her video & now you uploaded 😁❤️ BTW I love both.

[@SamGlasser]

My last flight home used one of these approaches at SFO. It was quite interesting looking out my window and seeing that other plane so close. Thanks for explaining these proceedures.

[@SpicyFaceActual]

If you could see the other plane they weren’t using SOIA approaches. Most likely visual or ILS approaches

[@jays9572]

I love outside SFO and it’s always stressful when they’re so close 💀

[@jamesmerkel9442]

Hving 2 on same vector mean double the lights to help spot it too, but 1 can b the grooved runway when hardest precipe & other the runway made to hold a tiny few inches of water & foam in case emergency type need. The tiny holding water can b salt water & antifreeze that is pet safe, so if temp near freezing 1 strip stays open or emergency open, & other sheds water more quickly.

[@holdingpointaviation]

When I fly Infinite Flight I click the waypoint closest to the runway, or the runway waypoint, makes it much easier

[@markg7963]

Joe, great video as usual. I do that SFO approach a lot, and I’m guessing the breakout in your video wasn’t because of a controller directed, but rather because the 767 forgot to turn his TCAS to TA only, and thus got a RA. Seen it happen a handful of times myself (not me, of course😉). However, the go around could have been anything, but wanted to chime in about specific procedures on the TCAS for SFO. We were pulling up beside another carrier one night who was in front of us, and they did a pretty aggressive pitch up go around. Then stated their TCAS went off. Oops. They should have read the instructions😎 That approach is definitely my favorite in the USA. One thing that bugs me is that SFO approach will have you “maintain visual separation”, but in a 737-900 we are going faster than literally everybody else, so you end up over running and going in front. Thus, visual separation gets kind of iffy. SFO runs their airport almost identical to LGA, but they are doing it with 2 sets of parallel runways simultaneously instead of singles. It’s a piece of art when well executed. The very second that the two landing aircraft are clear of the intersecting runways, they are clearing the intersection runways for two more takeoffs to a fan departure, followed by two more landings as the next two takeoffs are lining up. Very cool. Worth mentioning to passengers with a PA ahead of time to not be alarmed when they find themselves in formation with another plane on final.

[@lauriuusi-illikainen8245]

In finland Tikkakoski where i live there is Flying shows and they fly with Hornets only 2meters away from each other hornet thats Crazy i have seen that shiet happen live

[@kyechilds7128]

At Bathurst Airport in Bathurst Australia (ICAO code: YBTH), Our gliding operations run off a grass runway maybe 50 feet away from the main paved runway (RWY 35) and we call them as two seperate runways over the radio. Not sure if this is the same thing but it does create a challenge when the regional airlines ask our gliders to "go around".

[@retrograde7156]

You know just before I got the notification for this video I just finished watching a wendover production video around this topic. Coincidence I think not! *Edit: My apology the video was made by Real Engineering, I just had a watching spree of both channels

[@abdoulsene2793]

Wait wendover posted a new vid❤❤❤

[@eysank]

Wendover is bae

[@sirBrouwer]

@@abdoulsene2793 yes and no. He posted a video on his Half as intresting chanel (about cheating in LasVegas)

[@jhdiscgolfer]

Wendover is love, Wendover is life

[@AliAhmed-ez2zy]

Real Engineering posted a video about runways a couple of days ago on this topic. I recommend you guys watch it! kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4K9ZJilr96EnLc

[@TesterAnimal1]

I had a view like that approaching SFO. We came in over Oakland and San Jose, the other came in over the coastal range. The other plane was on our left. For some reason our pilot aborted the approach, and went round over the golden gate and back over the coastal mountains,

[@ey7290]

What do certain runway signs mean for example at Gatwick at the hold position marking to RWY26L there is a sign saying CatII/III

[@ThomasDanielsen1000]

The CAT II/III sign is the holding point for the given runway when ILS category 2 or 3 is in use. To be more specific, when ILS CAT 2 or 3 is in use, planes flying towards that runway can do an autoland. This of course requires that the ILS signals are extremely precise. Therefore, to prevent signal interference, other planes need to be kept at a greater distance from the runway. Hope this makes sense.

[@TheUglyGnome]

They mark the point where you hold on CAT II or III conditions. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_landing_system#ILS_categories

[@hiddenInsight486]

The numbers are the compass heading of the runway. The L and R are left and right when there are parallel runways. If you go to the opposite end of say runway 90 it will now be runway 270

[@MrThisIsMeToo]

Josh Haviland Not that bright are you?

[@davidoverbaugh1180]

@@hiddenInsight486 wouldn't it be runway 9 and 27?

[@albert3801]

Having just seen a PRM landing at YSSY Sydney Australia this video came out just in time and answered all my questions.

[@soremakes645]

I would love to get you as my instructor Joe!

[@jamesmerkel9442]

I really like this parallel run way step up bc in white out fog conditions, or cross wind conditions u can b lined up for wind side & end up on go line for left run way as a fall back. Blowing runway in snow & sleet conditions may mean hving little time after clearing run way b4 u can still land, but again if u hve 2 same vector to land on the most min to min cleared can b used.

[@rahultiwari7325]

Joe tell us YOUR FAVOURITE AIRPORTS AND WHY .......=??? We wait for it😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

[@comradeohyeahyeah2234]

Rahul Tiwari mine is JFK

[@farukche3848]

Mine is Probably Heathrow EGGL or Dubai OMDB

[@yazanc7665]

Comrade Oh yeah yeah JFK and Comrade doesn’t go together well...

[@sickflow6027]

KMSP and KATL are my favorites

[@ColHogan-le5yk]

ORD represent

[@747-pilot]

Yes!! All of it makes sense now! I am from the San Francisco bay area, and fly reasonably often into KSFO. Even though I have a PPL myself and am in instrument training right now, I had no clue about these procedures whatsoever!! About a year back, I experienced this EXACT same SOIA "breakout procedure". We (United A320) were lined up for 28R (if my memory serves me right). Then all of a sudden, the captain came on and announced that they were going around, and it was clear that this was done to avoid a mid air collision. The situation was literally identical to the explanation in the video! As we were headed for the runway, I saw another A320 (Virgin America), parallel, but very close to us. I thought to myself, Wow! that plane is very close to us! But at the time I didn't think much about that, and instead thought another plane had just crossed our path, and the pilot had executed an emergency maneuver to avoid it. But now it is crystal clear that it was a SOIA breakout procedure!!

[@polo113]

Hey Joe, I'm from France. Your videos are just awsome and really instrcutive. I would like to be an airtraffic controller and is that possible to you make a video about this subjet ? Because air traffic controller are really linked with pilots so it would be really interested !

[@lindritalija969]

He’s a pilot not a ATC

[@polo113]

Spoonge Boob yes but Pilots have lot of links with ATC thats why I think he should be able to present ATC from his point of view

[@flywithcaptainjoe]

I´m interviewing a famous airtraffic controller very soon, I`m sure that video will help :)

[@lindritalija969]

Paul Waligora true dat

[@jetix2050]

Paul Waligora iam pilot i hate atc bitches

[@christopherpilkington8375]

Atlanta (ATL) has 5 parallel runways. I was recently on a Delta flight into Atlanta and out my right passenger window I saw a Southwest 737 and Delta 717 in formation with us on final to ATL.

[@leo7779x]

Are you guys, who fly freight, scared of shifting cargo? I have heard that it can even take a plane down during rotation.

[@mytech6779]

If cargo is properly stowed there will be no shifting and it is ultimately the pilot in command's responsibility to check the stowage and balance before takeoff. Yes it can take down a plane during rotation, weight slides aft, the elevator cannot compensate for the large imbalance, the nose goes up, the plane has a non-recoverable stall and falls from the sky tail first.

[@lylemills4569]

I believe that there is an example of a 747 falling to the ground in Afganistan after take off due to a vehicle load shift on Smithsonian's Air Disasters series.

[@ericgirardet1848]

Leonidas yes, cargo shift is a possibility. The airline industry has strict loading procedures, loadmasters are checking all lockers before signing the loadsheet. When loading is completed, one of the crew goes down for a double check and make sure that they are no leaking cargo as well.

[@countcruzer]

The thing is though, it’s not moving anywhere

[@vts747]

A scared pilot is more dangerous than shifting cargo :) On a plus side, cargo doesn't complain that it's hot, cold, bumpy, lavatory stinks and it doesn't scream when you hit a bump. Safe flying!

[@michaelmccormick422]

I had a Fed on my 767 jump seat going into SFO who was going to violate a regional crew who didn't abide by the procedures completely. I told him we had some time at SFO and I'd track down the crew and explain their deviation. I did so and I expect my yearly Christmas card any day. Very cool of the Fed to let me handle it; I've always had good guys from the FAA on the jump seat!

[@samu_cornia9991]

0:05 this can became a meme

[@scrufhack3]

1:42 that cloud group raises an alarm for me. BKN below SCT?

[@sgt.megashi4984]

You should vlog live inside a cockpit boeing 747

[@chuun2784]

i think they are not allowed

[@aidenshaya]

Hi Joe! I have a question. It may seem odd, but to avoid bird strikes, why don’t engineers design a special grill to go over the engines? It could be made aerodynamic enough so as not to create a dangerous amount of drag and say a bird hit it, the engines would come out unscathed. Thanks!

[@pryxisjr3536]

I’ve seen a LOT of those in area 51

[@superaviation001]

Sydney has the PRM approach I saw it while plane spotting at sydney

[@konraarthursson7217]

WOOOOO Sydney Airport; thats my hub y'all!!!!

[@michaelcrossley5661]

I’ve flown into San Francisco and the pilot got on and announced the SOIA approach so we wouldn’t freak out. I hangout on the peninsula a lot and spot them all the time now. I’ve always wondered about wake turbulence though. Good video!