Paris Almost Looked Like This: Exploring Le Corbusier's Plan Voisin

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@archidots Жыл бұрын

Unité D'habitation : a bad prototype of modern social housing kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4G9YqCvh6-omrs

@JohnFromAccounting Жыл бұрын

Haussmann was a visionary because he wasn't an architect. He was a practical man above all. At the time, he was criticized for making a city that made it too easy for the military to shut down protestors. How French. But this turned Paris into the most iconic city layout in continental Europe.

@federicocamilo7917 Жыл бұрын

Excellent video! As an architect I say, we must move as fast as we can away from…. Le Corb!

@sebastiancoamo6262 Жыл бұрын

Does that include the Unités? How about the sculptural allure of Ronchamp? The use of color in the facade?

@curanki8868 Жыл бұрын

@@sebastiancoamo6262 exactly, le Corbusier had some ideas that the majority of people would consider bad, but some of his works are masterpieces!

@debbrueggemann3762 Жыл бұрын

Anybody calling him leCorb is sadly silly. Corbu is the correct nickname

@someinteresting 6 ай бұрын

@@curanki8868Examples, please.

@psomariante Жыл бұрын

In 1929, he designed a kilometer-long elevated road for Rio de Janeiro with hundreds of apartments hanging from it, cutting through the city's hills and beaches. I am thinking he had a plan to destroy the most beautiful cities in the world.

@al4381 Жыл бұрын

He wanted to demolish all of Stockholm, including the Old City, which has parts still intact from medieval times, to turn the Old City into a huge park. The rest would be turned into a giant block-like building, that would continuously snake accross the entire Southern Isle. Now the Swedish government would demolish most of northern Stockholm some decades later, but at least they preserved the Old City...

@31000or Жыл бұрын

He had the same desire to do so in the city of Algiers, as he was close to destroy the historical part of the city that is at the least 10 centuries old

@adamcheklat7387 Жыл бұрын

Le Corbusier can take his designs and hurl it into the Sun.

@johnkeviljr9625 Жыл бұрын

Aye Yi Yi. While I was in Architecture School back in the '70's, we studied Corbu, among many others. Modernism is one thing, but this mania is something else. Planning cities is a fool's errand. Cities must grow and evolve over time. This all-at-once stuff is terrible. I think Corbu might have been a sociopath. Would he ever live in this crap? I am sure that he would not. Great video, good food for thought. Consider Brasilia, or Walt Disney's City of Epcot (Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow), or Wrigt's Broadacre City - megalomania at it's best/worst. Silliness.

@mikeyreza Жыл бұрын

I agree with you on all of this. Especially Corbu being a sociopath. But many people still believed in his principles. Look at the housing projects of Chicago and NYC. Thankfully they are (mostly) all gone now, but I don't think the public actually learned any lessons -- people saw what happened and just assumed that the projects failed because they've been taught that poor people are inherently immoral and do crime.

@barbaraaraujo7700 Жыл бұрын

Corbusier's disciple, Lucio Costa, one of the creators of Brasília, wanted to destroy all the old buildings in Rio de Janeiro from the Beaux-art architecure (Eclectic architecture). He even managed to achieve his objective in one of them: the beautiful Monroe Palace, which was destroyed after a campaign by Costa, a palace he considered ugly and foreign. Today, the demolition of the Monroe Palace is considered a tragedy for Brazil's artistic and historical heritage and no one pays attention to the horrible Capanema Palace, created and listed by Lucio Costa in Rio de Janeiro.

@johnkeviljr9625 Жыл бұрын

@@barbaraaraujo7700 Barbara, Destroy the old (a better Building) to build the new, bland soulless buildings. I did not not know this story about Monroe Palace, which makes the situation worse. Thank You for telling the truly terrible and sad story about the Monroe Palace.

@johnkeviljr9625 Жыл бұрын

@@mikeyreza Mike, Excellent points. I agree 100%. Thank You.

@mikeyreza Жыл бұрын

@@johnkeviljr9625 Thank you John

@JamesBond-qm1iy Жыл бұрын

Le Corbusier' s Architecture ist a dystopian nightmare .

@laurentcorbellini2383 Жыл бұрын

He forgot humains have souls, they need to see beautiful things and variety. They no longer build those things in the suburbs nowadays.

@benitopitopol Жыл бұрын

Lets face it... what L.C. proposed became reality in many parts of the world. A true prophet.

@rafamericano Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately.

@HistoriaenCeluloide Жыл бұрын

So is thanks to him that today we are stuck with horrible looking modern cities🧐

@TalwinderDhillonTravels Жыл бұрын

If anyone is interested in how his plans would’ve turned out, lookup Chandigarh. He actually did end up designing a city from scratch

@mikeyreza Жыл бұрын

Lots of public housing in the US was inspired by his work. Most of the examples you can find were destroyed decades ago because of how badly his design principles worked in real life.

@TalwinderDhillonTravels Жыл бұрын

@@mikeyreza yep but Chandigarh is holding on to that on the name of heritage 😂

@sebastiancoamo6262 Жыл бұрын

I just found out about your channel. I am eager to see your next videos. Welcome to youtube!

@Andrea-lj4jg Жыл бұрын

Le Corbusier is the perfect example of an architect that should NEVER be listened to.

@aristeon5908 Жыл бұрын

Le Corbusier's plans were too extreme and dogmatic, but he created some concepts that have been very infuential and successful. For example, many new towns in Hong Kong clearly show LC's influence. I lived there and I found them great. Also, what constitutes human scale is very debatable. I prefer to live in a residential skyscraper surrounded by great infrastructure and lots of shops than in low rise low density neighbourhoods that only have the bare minimum. It all depends on how these concepts are implemented and improved upon.

@hufficag Жыл бұрын

When you leave home how long do you walk to some good restaurants, a couple bakeries, the farmers market, supermarkets, and cafes. I lived in various cities. Currently in Nanjing Liuhe district, where they built LeCorbusier style towers and wide roads. I'm actually in the process of renting an apartment in a residential glass skyscraper with good windows because the residential skyscraper community I live in now (Longcuifanting if you want to look it up on the map) has tiny recessed windows and closely spaced houses that permit only 1 hour of sunshine per day. I also live in Yangjiang, which has high density 5-storey buildings, very human scale and livable. I think Yangjiang is much more livable and enjoyable.

@aristeon5908 Жыл бұрын

@@hufficag recessed windows have nothing to do with height, that's just a really silly choice from the architect. There are also old low or medium height buildings with small windows. The residential skyscrapers where I lived had large enough windows. I also don't know what this "human scale" trope means. Most buildings in HK have 24/7 security, they are surrounded by efficient public transport, parks, sports grounds etc. There's no way you can get such high quality of infrastructure and services in a med-rise middle class or lower middle class neighbourhood.

@hufficag Жыл бұрын

@@aristeon5908 I think human scale means it feels comfortable to be there and convenient to walk around. Larger scale is designed for driving at high speed in cars, and some larger buildings are grand and imposing by making everything oversized. I didn't say recessed windows have something to do with height. The building I'm in now (龙翠芳庭）may be designed to be cheap. Most of the residents are unpleasant old villagers that glare at you and are impossible to have a conversation with. That's why I told the real estate agent I want floor to ceiling windows and she's taking me around the fancy buildings (欢乐港，万达广场，理想城）. I also love HK and love urban living, high density housing, mixed zoning, where shopping, parks, are mixed with residential. I hate it when you have to walk too far like in suburban Canada, that's why I came to China. I want to be able to walk to the bars, gym, supermarket, great coffee shops etc.

@aristeon5908 Жыл бұрын

@@hufficag cheap buildings may suck even if they're not tall. I felt very comfortable in my high rise neighbourhood. There was a 24/7 reception in every building, the cost of which was divided among a lot of people, which makes it very affordable. If you only have a few households in a building it's far too expensive. There was a convenience store, a local restaurant and a park downstairs, the metro station and a huge shopping mall were across the street. What's uncomfortable about that? Moreover, I didn't hear any traffic or street noise. To me it was very cozy.

@hufficag Жыл бұрын

@@aristeon5908 It is very comfortable. I love living in Kowloon. I love eating at the 24hr diners.

@michaelstadnikfilm Жыл бұрын

This deserves more views!

@mikeyreza Жыл бұрын

I don't understand why city planners and architects seem to love terrible ideas so much. Paris is obviously an exception, but Le Corbusier's designs caught on in many other parts of the world, and his principles are still practiced today. How long will it take until this modernist madness ends?

@federicozimerman8167 Жыл бұрын

Elitist “artistes” need a stage to sell their crap. Corbu is acceptable in the middle of nowhere.

@MarkLL1961 Жыл бұрын

It's astounding how much his site plan derives from the hated and inhuman Roman castrum plan, the encampment-to-colony plan. The similarity begins with refuting cultural dynamism as the engine of urban development in favor of such a totalitarian imposition. Ghastly. These site plans and building plans actually resemble many of the very worst examples of coercive architecture in human history, including prisons, concentration camps, and nightmarish versions of public housing. Awful!

@herravintage Жыл бұрын

This plan is a mostly car centric, anti-human mess. Regardless of what a person thinks of modern architecture, or functionalism, you can still make a human-centric walkable city with any type of style. Including modern and functionalist styles. But Le Cobusier's plan for Paris barely benefits the pedestrian in any way whatsoever.

@herravintage Жыл бұрын

@Judith Mirville I can understand that, however his design for Paris dedicates a large portion of urban space exclusively for automobiles. Hence why I think the design is ultimately car-centric and hostile to pedestrians.

@DarkwarriorJ 3 ай бұрын

@@herravintage Modern Chinese and South Korean cities seem to have taken cues from him; they also show that it's possible to recover from the inappropriate car-centric tower scale once they start building out their metros, but before that... what a nightmare.

@someinteresting 6 ай бұрын

So, more or less Dubai is this joke of an architect’s dream. 🤮

@lavillenouvelle Жыл бұрын

Finally, most of Le Corbusier's plan has been put in practice, albeit in a less disruptive way. The Center of Paris has been demolished to make way for the train station of Châtelet Les Halles, and New towns have grown east (Marne-La-Vallée) and West (La Défense) of Paris. The main differences between the plan and its implementation are the motorway, which is circular and not radial, and the towers, that have been built here and there, wherever there was a free space. (some of them are just next to the Tour Eiffel)

@dickystrike6966 Жыл бұрын

Almost every soviet city was corbuseed like this. The difference is that soviet concrete was as poor that top heights were about 25 stores.

@robertschumacher9640 Жыл бұрын

a true maniac

@casualgamer8450 Жыл бұрын

This city concept reminds me of Futurama(New Yorks World Fare)

@liamsingleton4214 Жыл бұрын

A city plan with no soul.

@evermar1 Жыл бұрын

As an architect myself, I found this City planning only suitable for a fascist state. Thank God this was never followed thru in Paris, a tragedy for other Cities who have pursued this model.

@goodstuff8156 Жыл бұрын

The word “fascism” has been so misused that it has entirely lost all meaning, how does this city have anything to do with Mussolini?

@tommywong3147 Жыл бұрын

He basically envisioned new Jersey with shitload more of public housing lol

@are3287 Жыл бұрын

Theres nothing more evil than hating beauty. A lot of 20th and 21st century architects were/are guilty of this.

@gabrielmarengo1244 3 ай бұрын

Himself admited before him die, that the projects he idealized, for grace, not growd up. In the end of him life, he recognized the errors around him projects.

@Dev1nci Жыл бұрын

You should do a video explaining why modernism was needed. It will reveal A LOT about his motives. I understand your critique but as with all history, it’s not this simple.

@JohnFromAccounting Жыл бұрын

Modernism wasn't needed because Paris already had a new and efficient design from the Haussmann era.

@Dev1nci Жыл бұрын

@@JohnFromAccounting Interesting argument :) ultimately that proved true in Paris I guess, thankfully XD I still think modernist architecture would be more suited economically to service a greater number of people however I've never researched it. (economically lead projects can be very negative for urban environments though).

@carlosimotti3933 Жыл бұрын

Money and ego were his and modernism's motives

@Dev1nci Жыл бұрын

@@carlosimotti3933 Ego was arguably part of it and it worked because of the financial viability of the schemes but I'd argue that greed wasn't really a driver. It's mass-housing, it needs to be economical so that more people can have housing.

@ssugd5789 Жыл бұрын

This reminded me the Zaha Hadid's Masterplan project for Kartal İstanbul. Check it out, it's very weird.

@ernsthazenbroek9349 Жыл бұрын

Oh, absolutely she is inspired by LC his masterplans as you can see from his Algiers 1933 urban project as well. Nowadays hardly anyone knows them, 100 yrs ago!

@ssugd5789 Жыл бұрын

@@ernsthazenbroek9349 Oh god, I'm glad they did not build random walls around Algiers!

@duncan8013 Жыл бұрын

Corbusier...worst architect of all time!

@zagyex 2 ай бұрын

his ideas unfortunately partially have realized in Eastern Europe...

@maestromecanico597 Жыл бұрын

Brutal doesn’t even begin to cover this.

@Yugoboss2 Жыл бұрын

Honestly this would be cool but not for Paris though. If it was a completely new city I personally wouldn't have anything against it

@NorskInjustis Ай бұрын

architects should not become city planners and Corbusier was a better furniture designer than architect

@danny3man Жыл бұрын

Sure when you compare it with the Paris that was built, it's a very bad vision and design... Now compare his vision/design for Paris with already built nightmare cities like...idk... Tokyo ?

@DarkwarriorJ 3 ай бұрын

Toyko's no nightmare city; if anything it's the anti-Corbusier. Not a single bit of regard given for large scale geometric patterning appreciated only at the scale of an airplane; whilst on a street level almost every location is human-centric and aesthetic despite the otherwise modernist lack of ornamentation.