Part 1: MOON-OTHEISTIC ISLAM - The Pagan Origins of Proto-Islam in Arabia

Join me in the first part of this series exploring Islam's fundamentally pagan origins based on gods that were worshipped from Babylon all the way across Arabia (with a strong emphasis on Yemen and Ethiopia) and how these same gods ended up amalgamating into the supposedly 'monotheistic' Allah as we are meant to understand him according to Muslims and the Quran today.
This is a very important and highly curious topic because one the fundamental notions and backbones of Islam is that of Tawhid توحيد - or the 'oneness' of God within Islam.
I am honoured to be privy to the information researched and beautifully put together by @LloydDeJongh in this immensely illustrating and thought-provoking presentation. Lloyd is doing absolutely fantastic work into areas of Islam that have not been challenged and explored on this level before and as the information reveals itself, the cracks in Islam, as well as the man-made concoction that this is cult is, becomes VERY very apparent.
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[@Seekingtruth-mx3ur]

Never seen someone present the origins of Islam so thoroughly. There's good videos out there but this one takes the cake.

[@joseywales3789]

I've followed Lloyd for over a year and he's an incredible teacher. His Knowledge and depth of knowledge on Islam is incredible. He was the first person to explain that Islam is not a Religion, it doesn't even consider itself as a Religion. It calls itself a *"DEEN"* an Ideology and it's religious or worship side is a tiny proportion of the whole Ideology, it's Political and Jurisprudence side is far more important, complex and larger than its worship side!

[@SR-mv2mf]

Yup Islam is a POLITICAL cult.

[@HolyHumanist]

Thanks for your comment Josey and yes that was new information to me too from Llyod’s channel and it made so much sense all of a sudden. I’m so honoured to have him on this platform dropping this incredible knowledge! 🙌

[@joseywales3789]

Thanks Nuriyah for your reply and yes, Lloyd should be at the top of the pile when it comes to the origins, historical evidence and early years and very Immoral and Unethical aspects of Islam. What really makes him good is that he doesn't just make claims..... he backs up those claims with evidence and Islamic Evidence from original Islamic sources. It's very hard to refute the evidence when the evidence is from your own sources...... but "Allah knows BEST!" (Ask him about "Allah knows best" next time you chat to him, his explanation is hilarious!)

[@LloydDeJongh]

@idol breaker The analysis shows that Islam is derived from Babylonian pagan moon 🌙 worship. How about you make a video if you are so confident, instead of being lazy and making pointless accusations? You just look desperate. Let's talk more about Momo's paganism

[@gopaulangappan8407]

@joelsacks6760 read The History of Jihad from Muhammad to Isis by Robert Spencer reveals the eternal genocide of peaceful civilizations by Muhammad Quran Islam and Muslims In Quran Allah explicitly and unambiguously authorized Muhammad and his Muslim followers to the war plunder and looting including 20% of captured women and children after wars Muhammad practiced slavery abductions human trafficking grooming of children and Allah authorised free sex to Muhammad and those who owned slaves It's all in Quran but as they are crimes committed against humanity by Muhammad and the Arabs Muslims Zakir Naik will not talk about the crimes of Muhammad Quran still advocates slavery abductions human trafficking slavery looting grooming of children and explicitly approved by Allah the God of Muhammad This behaviour is still evident of Muslims today in western democracies

[@therealdeal3672]

Although this series is 2 years old I just found it. Watched the videos on Sharia first. This information is fascinating and so educational. Filling in the holes of a lot of people's perspective on world history. Thank you. 💕

[@MunawarHussain-f2q]

Any body can follow any religion but someone left any religion and started to talk about their religion and their prophet should be arrested and put in the jail

[@therealdeal3672]

​@@MunawarHussain-f2qthere is something called freedom of speech in the West and it should be allowed to talk bad about any prophet or any religious leader. Just like we can talk bad about our politicians. Brainwashed fool.

[@ScoopDogg]

Both of you have really beautiful accents which makes this even easier to listen to Lloyd has a documentary quality voice.

[@HolyHumanist]

Aw thanks and totally about Lloyd’s voice!

[@hashimawan2433]

​Third-rate Propagandist, nowadays you're bowing down to Christian missionaries,you don't have integrity,Shame on U ! I am a relative of Dr.Madiha ​@@HolyHumanist

[@rawan3435]

Ther is a tremendous amount of information with Lloyd which muslims all over the world need to watch his videos. Too much hard word had been done i would wish him to have millions of subscribes, as well as to Nuriyah

[@salmaanzubair9692]

So enlightening. Your content is like a breath of fresh air and backed by some real extensive research. Most of us don’t have the courage to openly challenge and critique what’s been drilled into our minds for years..

[@HolyHumanist]

Thanks a lot for your kind words Salmaan, I really appreciate it! 🙂

[@truthseeker000000]

I’ve had a full meal with this amazing and fascinating conversation. So much has been unpacked here. Lloyd’s work is so important in exposing these myths in Islam, which also exists in ALL religions. Unpacking one at a time. I love your channel! ❤️❤️👍👍

[@ramdharisinghdinkar1069]

Same here. I made pasta and ate it.

[@HolyHumanist]

So glad you enjoyed it and thank you so so much for your kind words! 🙌

[@truthseeker000000]

@@HolyHumanist ❤️🙌

[@MY-qm6yz]

One hour into this and loving it. Thank you for spreading truth. ❤

[@HolyHumanist]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@ogarvin7064]

Thank you both for this fantastic presentation. Full of information I've never heard in all my 82 years! On to Part 2 tomorrow-

[@satyanarayanamysore1962]

I am also 82 years old and love this channel of Nuria , the Holy Humanist .

[@Channel66678]

This is extremely interesting to me also, I just subcribed to Lloyds channel. Thankyou Nuriyah for hosting him, it was eye opening as well.

[@HolyHumanist]

So glad you enjoyed it, do stay tuned for more 🙂 it was my absolute pleasure hosting Lloyd and bringing this information to this channel and hopefully beyond! 💕

[@theelder5505]

@@HolyHumanist Hi Nuriyah, thank you for the amazing work that you're doing. In South Africa, they announced recently that muslim marriages are now legal. Could you share the implications of this? Thank you, and God Bless You. 🙏

[@AkasaurusRex]

Great channel and episode! I’m a Japanese Canadian Pagan thinking of jumping into Ottoman studies, so just a bit eclectic lol I love the histories of forgotten gods and how these Abrahamic religions are mingled up with all other traditions. I’m especially interested in the Djinn, they remind me of the “Faeries” of Ireland but one had an elemental fire association and the other of Must and water. Also the host you are sooooooo Beautiful! 😻😻😻

[@godlessbeliever4817]

1.6 billion muslims have been duped since 1443 years ago!!!!😁😁😁😁😁🤣🤣🤣🤪🤪🤪🤪

[@faithreasons3041]

This information is amazing!! No wonder Friendly Muslim was so upset! It would indeed be interesting for him to come on your show with Lloyd with his counter-evidence.

[@HolyHumanist]

Thank you so much and I agree it’s pretty phenomenal stuff! Yes the invitation is open for him to show us how it’s allegedly ‘debunked’

[@theastronomer5800]

It's rather difficult to show counter archaeological evidence!

[@zilkmusik7652]

Fascinating! 🎉 Amazing work Lloyd!

[@AskForTruth]

Thank you for presenting this. Interesting to see all this historical analysis on pre-islam

[@christyliebel9500]

Fascinating history lesson. Everyone should see this video.

[@HolyHumanist]

Thanks a lot Christy, glad you enjoyed it 😊

[@BLACK.ANGEL.]

Lloyd De Jongh is a fountain of knowledge! Great infos!!!

[@HolyHumanist]

He is indeed, the world needs to see his fabulous findings!

[@LloydDeJongh]

@@JesusisaMuslim Islam is all fake. I’ve destroyed your stupid arguments on my channel. I replied back to you even though I know you're a clown that's been triggered by me. You're obsessed with me right now. You're also ineffective.

[@hans8025]

@idol breaker That's been debunked Mary has nothing to do with Ishtar try again buddy.

[@BuskaBDOPS4]

Please I want to know about 360 mecca Idols what is the difference between Hubel idol and Allah idol ? @@HolyHumanist

[@GrandmasterTigerfist]

A Bihari woman was beaten and humiliated in a Sikh temple in front of her little kid despite of apologisning for something Sikhs accuse she was smoking outside the temple. Coulc you please highlight this issue.

[@theastronomer5800]

Coins from the Kingdom of Elymais (under Parthian control) also have a crescent/star, they date from the 1st to early 3rd century AD, as do of course Parthian and later Sasanian coins, all before Islam. You'll also find the crescent/star on coins of Mauretanian Kingdom (eg: Juba II and Cleopatra Selene, 25 BC - 24 AD), many Roman Empire coins (eg: Hadrian, Septimius Severus, Elagabalus, Geta, Caracalla), some Roman Republic coins (eg: L. Titurius Sabinus, 89 BC) and Greek coins (eg: Amisos Pontos, 100 BC).

[@nazone7527]

Great content! There is so much to unpack here. I’ve come to think of Islam as truly what it is, a mix of many different religions of the time. Unfortunately having a conversation with my Muslim family about these things are unthinkable.

[@HolyHumanist]

thanks so much for your comment and appreciation and yes I agree it’s a complete mish mash of many of various religions, traditions and gnostic practices before it. And just like you, I can’t imagine trying to shed light on this with most Muslims around me 😔

[@klodius8588]

Thanks again Nuriyah and Lloyd for this informative topic. Always interesting to know how that humanly degrading and subservience religion came up to existence.

[@HolyHumanist]

Totally!! Thanks so much Klodius for your support and for tuning in today 🙌

[@LloydDeJongh]

Thank you! I'm glad you found this informative. There's a lot more to be discovered, it's worse than you realise.

[@theelder5505]

@@HolyHumanist Thanks Belove for your awesome participation and insights. Very Very well presented topic. 🙏

[@jamalkhan3708]

An awesome information. Very interesting. Lloyed is a full of knowledge. Love the stream. Thank you for doing and sharing.

[@kinggeorge7533]

Bravo. Keep the good work. My greetings. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@HolyHumanist]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@henryshearman5550]

Commenting for the algorithm and to let you know I really enjoyed that, thankyou! Looking forward to watching the rest.

[@xb-dx]

I cannot fathom how this has so little views, this is gold content. People watch only stupid videos, unfortunately

[@freethinker3653]

This was great! I am going to watch the other parts. Thanks for the great work u 2 👏💯💥

[@HolyHumanist]

Thank you so glad you enjoyed it, hope you enjoy part 2 just as much 🙌

[@olive8249]

goldmine of info! ty both so much

[@HolyHumanist]

You’re so welcome thank you for your comment

[@arshadxaidi]

What a great knowledge thankyou so much for that precious info.

[@HolyHumanist]

Our pleasure!

[@topsecret5110]

The people you bring on are unbelievably interesting! Holy smokes!! I look forward to the growth of your channel!! Stay safe, Nuriyah! I'm so glad I found you through Harris Sultan. You all have my full and absolute support. Subscribed!

[@HolyHumanist]

Thank you so much & welcome to the KZbin fam! 🙌

[@sibyrajamani285]

Great Video Nuriya.

[@julesbc9031]

Brilliant presentation. Thank you. More people should see this.

[@HolyHumanist]

Thanks, glad you liked it!

[@S-AM_1445]

First timer here, watching from UK imho, this is a scholastic acheivement! Lloyd deserves a honorary award And you are a fab host, Nuriyah!!! Thank you

[@HolyHumanist]

Thanks so much for your kind words and welcome to the channel! 🙌

[@jonahtisamphd.6101]

This is amazing stuff. I will look for Lloyd's site to learn more about his research.

[@HolyHumanist]

Thanks Jonah and yes please do his archive and research is extensive 🙂

[@jonahtisamphd.6101]

I see there are 5 series so that's awesome 👍. Gibson, Jay Smith and others have some good materials from the north but there's blank slade in the south. From these materials I can see the stories coming together. Why Muslim academics or historians did not reveal this side of their history says a lot about their religion. Once more and more people know about these fascinating facts Islam will need to deal with it. I believe Imams, Shiekhs, and Ustads know somethings about these facts but too scared to reveal it because of self- sanctioned as shown from Lloyd's work and from what's happening around the world when someone insults Mohammed. One question. If Mohammed is only a title, and the Qura'n was not written by Mohammed, then who is the real Mohammed and who sanctioned death penalty for mockery of this prophet, and why the tenecity? It's a form of human bondage (slavery) to this person (Mohammed) embodied under a pagan god (Al Lah). Some say, Islam is nothing but a pseudo Christian sect that evolved and adopted a pagan god (Al Lah) and practices (Hajj, Kaabah, black stone, etc.) to create an Arab identify. If so, I feel for our Muslim freinds, brothers and sisters who have been lied to and suppressed for centuries. Not only that, but now they carry the burden to explain this madness to the world 🌎 so we can all live in peace.

[@LloydDeJongh]

@@jonahtisamphd.6101 Very well said. I think they do know, so they work hard to hide it.

[@Seekingtruth-mx3ur]

@@jonahtisamphd.6101 Reminds me of how the Vatican hides or suppresses the truth to keep it's followers ignorant.

[@dundadunda552]

Lloyd you are a treasure trove...never stop and watch yr back...yster

[@bugsbunny6869]

Hello Nuiriyah, Thanks for introducing, Mr. Lloyd he is an apsolute gem, hope you will keep bringing him on:)

[@HolyHumanist]

You’re so welcome John, I’m glad Lloyd was willing to share this with us 🙂

[@bugsbunny6869]

@@HolyHumanist Good to hear back from you, by the way I am Pakistani American living in London :)

[@ZagrosŞêxbizin]

Great stream Nuriyah 👍🏼👍🏼

[@HolyHumanist]

Thanks Zagros, glad you enjoyed it 🙂

[@LloydDeJongh]

Than you, I'm glad you liked it

[@ZagrosŞêxbizin]

@@LloydDeJongh Good stuff man, good stuff!

[@shortghoststory]

Wow...this is pot of gold!

[@valentintomberg4276]

Lloyd De Jong: The human "finger on the wound" of Islam.

[@LloydDeJongh]

Appreciated, buddy! Thank you, good to see you here.

[@PARGULEK]

Greetings from Poland guys! Good stuff!

[@HolyHumanist]

Thank you so much for your comment and appreciation!

[@tamaraberchuk454]

I was looking for something like this. Thank you for your knowledge, great production.

[@potkinazarmehr]

This was a very interesting video to watch. Really enjoyed it. Well done Lloyd for the research and the courage to talk about it. Will subscribe

[@potkinazarmehr]

And thank you Nouriya for introducing Lloyd to us

[@christislord4608]

1:17:00 "That finishes the introduction" Wow thats quite the introduction xD But so far very very very interesting.

[@HolyHumanist]

Haha indeed it was!! Thank you so much for your comment, so glad you’re enjoying it!

[@casualmaille1749]

This is the bomb that makes the puzzle pieces fall into place for islam like learning Yahweh was in a pantheon was for Hebrew Bible/Christianity to me. Thank you!

[@shookreeseeree4]

This info is mind boggling..wow..tks Lloyd..

[@LloydDeJongh]

Thank you. You are welcome, I am glad you enjoyed it

[@balajipadmanabhan2927]

5 times prayer is a very famous statement in Hinduism which is the most ancient 'religion' in the world. This is done for Lord Shiva as a Lingam, a capsule like form to represent the creation. It is also said that the black stone in the Kaaba is actually the lingam

[@donovan8747]

Love to see Nuriyah's stunned face 😃😃 I've been watching Mr. Llyod for quite sometime. You're a bit late there

[@HolyHumanist]

Hahaha I can’t believe I’m late to this EPIC party! The tree of knowledge must be here somewhere 😉 Lloyd has smashed it out of the park with this one! Thanks for your comment Donovan!

[@LloydDeJongh]

@Safraz Hussain We ALL know Islam is fake and are stunned by the garbage it contains. Don't you have to change nappies on your most recent child bride instead of saying unintelligent things on YT?

[@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid]

@@LloydDeJongh - ‘change nappies on your child bride’ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@LloydDeJongh]

@@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid He knows he supports exactly that. He's salty 🧂 after he was embarrassed on Adam Seeker's show last Friday

[@adamsandler1679]

@@LloydDeJongh huh who is being embarrassed? 🤣😏 just asking

[@jojofreelancerkup7501]

@Holy Humanist | Nuriyah Khan תורת אדום (Red👁Judaism) This is a great channel on the origins of Islam.

[@HolyHumanist]

Cool, I’ll look into it thanks!

[@ratnakarpani4890]

Praise the lord dear sister.may God bless you

[@yasuynnuf1947]

6K views? This needs to have minimum 20 million views.

[@HolyHumanist]

Aw thank you

[@MrMaliktanvir2002]

Excellent and very informative presentation!!!

[@ScoopDogg]

Thanks Nuriyah very interesting discussion

[@tc7500]

Lloyd that’s an amazing work! Major contribution to expose the worst cult in history!

[@melatara]

Also, they found a cave in Petra with this moon symbol as well as other archaeology connecting that area to Moon God worship. Theyve also found evidence to suggest the connection that Petra was the original Mekka as it fits the description on the Quran perfectly and much better than Mecca itself.

[@madgergillard2652]

Petra or Nebatea Arabic was the language used in the Quran because this was where the earliest part of islam started as a Christian sect where Jews (race) and Arabs practiced Christianity. This is the Ummayyad caliphate. It is the Abbassid caliphate where most of the islam we know today came about. It is the Abbassid that follows Lloyd's hypothesis. So, in short, you have a combination of North and South influences with the Southern influence having a stronger impact. And it is this Southern influence where the pagan aspects of Islam comes to the fore and not just pagan but their distinct, clear disdain for Christianity which is clear in the Quran and sunnah. Lloyd should also note similarities between Judaism and Islam in terms of some prayer rituals.

[@HolyHumanist]

I pretty much think along these exact same lines as you re-Islam’s beginnings and south vs north impacts. I personally think you may have hit the nail on the idea given the information we have so far. Thanks so much for your comment Madger

[@LloydDeJongh]

To my knowledge, the evidence shows that early Quranic Arabic is Yemeni. The oldest Quran is from Yemen. Arabic developed out of the Yemeni language and Ethiopic, before absorbing northern languages. Ethiopic contains all of the sounds in Arabic, and their script became the basis for early Arabic.

[@madgergillard2652]

@@LloydDeJongh Your reply goes against Phander Film's where they on the other hand the original Quranic script has Nabatean leanings or leanings of a Northern Arabia script. Or are you saying the Northern Arabian script has Ethiopian beginnings. BTW, have you gotten in touch with Pfander. I'd be keen to see how you and Thomas Alexander and Odon La Fontaine end up with after comparing each other's notes. Keep up the great work, Lloyd.

[@LloydDeJongh]

@Madger Gillard You should watch the interview with Jay and Al Fadi where he talks about the earliest Quranic Arabic being Yemeni

[@LloydDeJongh]

@Madger Gillard I emailed Jay this morning. I've written presentations for his channel already

[@chidexy4166]

Lloyd is incredibly intelligent. An extremely smart fellow.

[@keithwhitson]

Happy to see her so excited about his revelation

[@jinn_1891]

15 years, christ and paganism (moon god) 🌙 🌚 information and travel? This is a treasure chest of damning information!

[@HolyHumanist]

Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for the comment!

[@nikoh6703]

Great video seen u on other vids. Doing great job .

[@HolyHumanist]

I appreciate it!! 😊

[@Ninjamannes]

This is a game changer. Very glad this content was shared

[@LloydDeJongh]

That's a great compliment. Thanks!

[@AbdullahKhawar262]

Nice work dear

[@deathstroketheterminator8722]

Very nice. The truth is coming out.

[@nazigol289]

22:34 Zoroastrianism also has 5 times prayer. Islam also took a lot of things from Zoroastrianism

[@thinkingperson2122]

Appraching 10K!! That is great! Well, I am a Christian and I am a fan!

[@HolyHumanist]

Thank you @ThinkingPerson! 🙌

[@glennisholcomb592]

I know, I seem to be repeating myself, but I would really love a book that lays all of this out so I can add it to my collection

[@leestephenfitzpatrick6373]

Lloyds the don & has a voice where he could be reading the phone book & it would sound interesting.

[@nikoh6703]

Lloyd reminds me of the Oracle in Matrix the wise one

[@umwha]

makes me wonder why so many different cultures seemed to hold the moon as the major deity. It does help us have a calendar and date system, so there's that, but surely the sun is still the more major celestial object. Maybe its because these regions (middle east) is on the equator, therefore it doesn't really have seasons that are very different. Therefore, the sun seems constant and cant be much used to tell the time of year, but the moon is the only anchor to time-keeping. Constrast this to Europe where the summer and winter is the major change, and seasonal changes dominate time keeping, leading to a sun-worshipping tendency of europe

[@HolyHumanist]

I’ve wondered the same thing before and came to a similar hypothesis- would love to explore this some more…

[@theastronomer5800]

For the ancient people the Sun was not necessarily the more "major" object in some respects as they did not know their sizes or distances. In Egypt the Sun was very important. The Sun can be used for time keeping anywhere, however, the ancient people did not have a good means of observing its position because you cannot see the stars when the Sun is out, but you can see the Moon's position and its phases, which gives you two measuring units, verses zero. It was a simple way to keep track of time, from phase to phase. The Moon has a lot of significance to agriculture. You're right about the seasons though, they become more important as you move north. This actually ties in nicely with the Quran, which tells you when to fast (when you see light of the Sun in the morning...) which you cannot use in northern regions where it never gets dark in the summers! Clearly Allah was not be best as astronomy and geography :)

[@Charlie-Em]

This is pretty cool.

[@Kzam19-ux8wg]

Fussilat 41:37 Among His signs are the day and the night, the sun and the moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or the moon, but prostrate to Allah, Who created them ˹all˺, if you ˹truly˺ worship Him ˹alone˺.

[@MH25]

Wow thank you.

[@HolyHumanist]

You are very welcome!!

[@AmjadKhan-wf1qq]

Hi , Guys excellent stuff ; informative and well researched . But it is TOO LONG for a Busy people like me . Please keep it in One Hour or less. Thanks .

[@nazigol289]

Girl, stop being so دلبر It should be illegal. It melts my heart❤

[@Jcp_yitlg]

Thank you 🙏🏽

[@erosquorum8755]

Dear Nuriyah Khan, The links for the google drives are not working. Please make sure they work. I'm writing a book and these files and these videos are very useful for me. Regards, Y.A An ex muslim atheist

[@keithwhitson]

I subscribed to it too

[@RL-py4kh]

The spaces between the eight pillars might represent the seven heavens

[@HolyHumanist]

Good point, could be!

[@theastronomer5800]

Yes. The 7 heavens was a very common cosmological view in MANY ancient cultures of the time because of the seven objects that moved in the sky (Sun, Moon and five visible planets) - they were each thought to have a celestial sphere or "heaven". Some models had stars in the lowest heaven, which the Quran has. The Quran simply adopts these ancient (and incorrect) ideas, but no Muslim can admit this so they re-interpret the verse. Al-Qurtubi writes about at-Tariq in Surah 86: “It was said: It is Saturn: the planet in the seventh heaven mentioned by Muhammad ibn al-Hasan in his interpretation". Some ancient people worshiped the motion of these objects and went around their shrines seven times in the counterclockwise direction (same direction as the objects move in the sky wrt stars). This was common in Yemen for example, and Muhammad likely adopted this pagan practice which is why Muslims go around the Kaaba seven times in counterclockwise direction (and the Kaaba has a Yemeni corner). If you read great Islamic scholars like al-Tabari, in his Vol 1 (pg 238) you'll find "Whenever the sun sets, it is raised from heaven to heaven by the angels' fast flight, until it is brought to the highest, seventh heaven, and eventually is underneath the Throne. It falls down in prostration, and the angels entrusted with it prostrate themselves together with it. Then it is brought down from heaven to heaven. When it reaches this heaven, dawn breaks." All the myths and incorrect ideas about the seven heavens are related in the ancient world, but today, since the Quran mentions this, Muslims go out of their way to explain what these heavens might be, using ideas such as parallel universes (which they do not understand!), or of course that Allah knows best - which just means that Muhammad didn't know what he was talking about.

[@OHMASIA1]

Islam- religion of the moon Christianity- religion of the sun Judaism- religion of the stars The sun the moon and the stars split into 3=the holy trinity

[@joginder999]

On reasearch it might be linked to the accient and bronze age Cannites?

[@negy2570]

This is very interesting and so well done, thank you! Now, I don't think that being based on previous "pagan" religions is a bad thing per se. I would like to know if you went into the horror practice of genital mutilation that still exists in some muslim countries but it's not exclusive to muslim people there. It's more of an old tradition and many muslims stress on the point that it's not present in the Quran, still it is done to various degrees from complete job to a symbolic puncture in hospitals to eradicate the excess of lust in female bodies. Where this horror come from? Why muslims kept this practice if it's not mandatory in any muslim text?

[@ko-xu1lr]

There is a hadith by Muhammad that talks about female circumcision being a good thing.. so if you want to be sure of anything in Islam you have to research it yourself .. and do not ask Muslims because they will lie as usual

[@arashkhatibi5871]

Brilliant thanks to both of you nouriyah and lloyd .just one small hint : moloch is not equal to baal . Two different gods .

[@Rico18777]

They should use this at speakers corner everyday 🤣

[@AmjadKhan-wf1qq]

2 questions : 1. During Prophet Muhammad's Boyhood age there was an open chest cleansing events twice . Please explain ? 2nd question As per "Ancient Aliens." There were reports of a UFO standing near Cave Hira . Please explain ? Thanks

[@joeselsbury543]

Muhammad wasn't a prophet...

[@AdamAli-u3p]

Let me tell you one thing . There is no such a bull shit in Islam like those people saying I have studied Islam for 16 years and I have never heard of what they are saying , leave Islam alone

[@jamelcrawford2815]

@26:39 Lamech who was in the Bible as one of the descendants of Kain,and actual Tubal Cain's father

[@isidoronivleknamor67]

Have just found your channel, saw a couple videos and thought you would not touch the subject of islam origins. Glad to be proven wrong!

[@adii.3665]

The root slm סלמ does NOT mean graven idol. צלמ does. In English there is only one kind of s so you use it for both, but they are different letters, sounds, and meaning in Hebrew or Arabic.

[@Anonymous_47]

The greatest evidence islam is pagan religion, they practice ritual called "Tawaf" it is to walk around and to encircle the "kabaah" a pagan practice used by pre Islamic arabs they also kiss the black stone. The second pagan practice is called "Safa and Marwa" it is basically Muslims travel back and forth between them seven times starting from Safa to Marwa" in what is known as saʿī ritual pilgrimages of Ḥajj and Umrah. This was also used to be practiced by arab pagans before islam. Muslims also will throw stones at a long shaped pillars the ritual called "Jamarat." During the ritual, Muslim pilgrims in Mecca throw pebbles at three walls (formerly pillars), called "jamarāt," in the city of Mina just east of Mecca. This also a pagan practice used by pre Islamic arabs. Even some of the pre Islamic arabs used to worship "allah" himself since Mohammed (prophet of islam) his father name was "Abdullah" means slave of allah. Allah is moon god called "god Lah" how to know if Muslims actually worship god Lah? Biggest evidence is Muslims say to anything positive or especially after they done eating they say, "Alhamdililah" Alhamdulil *(lah)* "Lah" Google *"godlah."* god lah is a moon god a lunar deity in ancient Egyptian religion. The word jꜥḥ simply means "Moon"

[@renderuntoseazer4884]

I heard this from Jay Smith a few months ago. Is this still relevant?

[@mrad6707]

Lunarism has multiple symbology and semiotics in Esoterics such as divine reception from God, lunar calender, the divine womb, Ramadhan Significance, Mother Nature Womb, Mother's Womb and divinity, the feminine, lunar magic,....the star represents the human individual, the masculine, sun, man, the manifestation, Muslim Invidual ☪️ because SLM = 5 in Arabic Esoteric Numerology. It is an Islamic Esoteric Symbol, like black/white is an islamic exoteric symbol but also adopted by other esoteric societies like freemasonry. The hand of fatima = the chapter of Falaq = 5 verses. The pentacle that protects from Evil Eye and Envy under the will of God....Esoterics are deeply mysterious and unrecognizable easily by people.

[@madgergillard2652]

Lloyd, Thomas Alexander and odon Lafontaine should compare notes to allow us to get a better view of early islam. And by early Islam, I mean the Islam introduced by the Abbassid Caliphate. There is also a link with Central Asia, at this stage. To bridge everything, my thoughts are islam started off as a socio-political system against the big powers which were essentially the rich noble families. So, Islam started with the premise to rid off the Byzantine and Persian empires that catered to nobility. This socio-economic system managed to gather support from Ethiopia, Yemen, Levant, modern-day Iraq, Iran and Central Asia. With such a large area, they managed to form a formidable army and managed to conquer large areas of land. And to hold their land in place, a religion was required and this gave birth to islam and this is how the quran was compiled from mostly existing texts and haddith was added at the whim and fancy of the caliph and done so to entrench their power status. It didn't take long before a group of Persians decided they wanted to break away from this Arab-centric change and this gave birth to Shia Islam which is more of a racial or language split than religious but one each side had their own haddith, the difference became religious.

[@HolyHumanist]

This is very interesting. Would love to hear Lloyds thoughts on it. Thanks so much again for your comment

[@madgergillard2652]

@@HolyHumanist I'm not interested in you r your message. Anyone that spends so much time with Harris Sultan who denies Pakistan's blasphemy laws have nothing to do with Islam but is to be blamed on Britain and who denies the hundreds of thousands of rapes by Pakistan Army and Bangladeshi supporters on Hindu women in bangladesh in the war of 1971 is to be ashamed. I take your thoughts with a very large pint of salt.

[@oprophetisfake9482]

Thanks for the information on how Islam was first falsified.

[@theodoreconstantini2548]

So Muhamad grafted on a form of monotheism onto pagan practices, beliefs, borrowed , myths and bits of pieces from the Jews and Chrsitians, often in an altered form, and thus created a new religion.

[@kaysadek5012]

With all respect he said he joined anti terrorism and he fought in Raqa BUT during the attack on Raqa there was only Kurdish pêshmarga and guardians with a little of US marines nothing else nobody else until the end of Isis which Kurds were the only force in entire region that fought Isis but in the meantime we received support from air from USA and its aliens. Not a single Arab or African country was joining the Isis war with us especially invade and free Isis capital place. How come he's been there ?

[@theastronomer5800]

I've talked to Lloyd a while ago and listened to many of his video. I believe he worked privately for companies offering security against attacks.

[@potkinazarmehr]

Were Umayids in Spain unitary Christians?

[@a.a3343]

Quran is not saying its a new religion or that it's ritual are new. Prayers, fasting, pilgrimages...etc always have exited. Quran tells stories of Moses and other prophets doing prayer (salaat, namaz). It says prophet or guide been sent all over the world therefore islam takes jnto account that there should be similarities with othet cultures as all cultures would have had a guide however islam states they would have been corrupted slowly by deifying prophets..saints.. cult following. Islam sees sabaens as people of the book like Christianity , judaism etc.. In fact we muslims when we see Hinduism and Daoism etc we also try to find similarity they have with monotheism because they would've had some kind of guidance from God. In fact muslim believes we are all born in a Muslim (I.e in submission to our Source) therefore it is likely there should be similarity with other cultures..e.g prayers..fasting..place of worship.. Actually, I would have been more worried if ritual we practiced had no precedence in the history considering islam meant to be religion since Adam's , Abrahams time etc..

[@sabratouiri6523]

Zoroastrisme religion pray 5 times a Day And mandaeism religion and yezidi religion to and judaism religion pray 5 times at day with jom kippoer.

[@laughwithme6821]

" WERHI" is the word used to refer both month and moon in GEEZ , 😮

[@joginder999]

The cannites were well known raiders and both land and sea pirates, were you seen that before in modern times?

[@glennisholcomb592]

And the use of Christianity is another Interpol. For example, we know Christianity came directly out of Kimmitt and the two patron deities heru and asur. They had the cross, which was the sign of damuzi and the Unk, which was the sign of Isis. Again, two pagan groups competing for dominance this Christianity. This was the Christianity that evolved from Isis worship to Serapis worship that was taken over the area.

[@ratnakarpani4890]

Pls tell me why muslim immam says lie