PART 2 ELAC UB-52 STANDMOUNT SPEAKERS AMP PAIRING (SYNERGY ! ) AND A DEEPER DIVE INSIDE !

[@brandondempsey6833]

Finally a reviewer who tells it like it is straight up with class AB amplification. You keep this up your subscriber count will grow like crazy!! I always learn something from your videos. Thanks T.J.!!

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Your welcome Brandon , thank you for the comment 😃

[@ThomasAndStereo]

Great video Tee-Jay!

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Thank you Thomas 😃 can't wait to see your Decware review !!!! Hmmm Freya/Decware ? Maybe to much of a good-thing 😃

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Fun Music demo at 24:38 of the video Agnus and julie Stone ,I got flagged by Utube ! Volume set at 10-oclock on the Yammies Volume knob Things I for got to say . 1st if you have any ? Please ask in the comment section . all audio gear used listed in my description box . 😃 Also once more ,I would reccomend amps that are from the cool side of netural. And somewhat Natural sounding but me Yamaha AS-1100 does have a lil bit of warmth in the midrange but overall the Yamaha is natural sounding 😆 And the Synergy was great with the Ub52s ! I do believe class AB amplifiers or integrated amps that have the total weight of atleast 25 plus pounds should drive these Elacs ub52s as far as watts I would reccomend a modest 70 -80 watts 😆@ 24:39 of the video I show the drive power of the Yamaha AS-1100 😆

[@johnsweda2999]

I think at the end of the day your better off giving it a miss, he definitely missed the ball on that lol get the Q 3030i think it's cheaper anyway a much superior speaker Good review TJ why didn't you try the audiolab XP power amp you not got it anymore?

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

@@johnsweda2999 yes i tried the 8300xp didn't have good synergy together

[@johnsweda2999]

@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 right surprising what do you mean by synergy! you not listen to the Q 3030i then lot of people ratings them really highly be good to see them under the hood lol my main comment showing up think I'm having problems with comments these days

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

@@johnsweda2999 Here goes the 8300xp power amp has a very clean uncolored presentation thats well balanced and its powerful but the overall sound chacter of 8300xp is somewhat the same as the elac speakers. The top end of 8300xp is recessed some would call this top end dry theirs no upper extension but clarity is still excellent Midrange is very relaxed inviting and a lil layed back with a hint of warmth The low end bass is strong or stern with good grip and speed/control but not thick/full (lean but mean) Articulate BASS in other words But the pairing just didn't match up as well as me other amps in same price Range (Yamaha AS-1100)

[@javierartimemuniz7044]

Great video, Tee-Jay. I loved that you noticed and shared the minimum class AB amp weight that drove the ub52s in your tests.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Your welcome thanks for stopping in 😃

[@bulldozer9600]

@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 where are you? Hope all is well

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

@@bulldozer9600 yeah i'm here?been on a?12-7 work scheldule pep want their new Corvettes ! I will be uploading videos very soon! I got some good stuff in !!

[@bulldozer9600]

@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 that’s great to hear! I finally found speakers I like, for the Rotel 1572. A mint set of Klipsch quartets.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Hell yeah lil beast !! I need to get me a Rotel amp Zero fidelity just reviewed the 1572 i think he said very clean sound !

[@ErickReyes-oc2or]

Great review of an underrated speaker, a little tricky to get the center voice in focus, but if you do... it's a great sound, even if audioscience review says otherwise, Thanks T.J.!

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

What did Audio Theory Say about the Ub52 ? The Ub52 isn't to my taste but the speaker is a performer for pricepoint ! And the ub52 has grown on me ! And audio and Electrical has always been a theory not Science yet ! Lol

[@boballard6040]

Well done! Just purchased a set and they play great on my Decware 2.3W tube amp. Also run them on a Cambridge AXR100.

[@SpikeoutBattleStreet]

So much effort to open this one. I hope you could put it back. Another great review man!

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

I been opening speakers up for over 30 years and this one was tuff without damage !!! I Bet their won't be no upgrade crossover kit for this one 😆

[@SpikeoutBattleStreet]

@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 I'm curious how do they do the maintenance.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

@@SpikeoutBattleStreet big company like that they most likely have a tool to take the front cover ring off Even if they broke the plastic ring like i almost did ! I am sure they have extra cover ring . The Cover rings maybe cost the company 5 cents worth of injection molding plastic 😆 Elac does sale B-Stock for $450.00US

[@SpikeoutBattleStreet]

@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 Agree. It's much easier for them because they have the resources.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

@@SpikeoutBattleStreet yeah it was ruff to take apart with out damage dam it was tuff and they glued down and screwed down the crossover ! I did modify my Kef Q-100s with NoRez and bracing added

[@TheJanakev]

Tee-Jay tear down tube. Nice. It is great you got these speakers and spent the time and efforts doing this. Tells me so much to see inside. Very interesting. Keep up the good work.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Thank you !! Comments like this keep me going ! Nexted speaker will be the triangle 40th Anneversary edtion in Santos rosewood veener !! ($2200) and dealer item only 😥 dealer's have already ran out !

[@maxbouvatte]

Hi. I bought the ub52 a few months ago, open box eBay for 300 bucks. I have a 200 wpc Yamaha Mx-1 dual mono amp. The speakers sound very strong with this amp pairing. The bass is surprisingly full even though I have them placed in probably the worst spot in the house in the middle of the living dining room and they sound fully realized. It’s hard to believe a speaker could sound more natural and powerful in this form factor. I have a dedicated listening room with vintage ess rock monitors as well. Much different listening experience from the elacs, but also a completely different speaker. Thanks for your videos!

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Ohh yeah that Yammy MX-1 is driving those Elacs ub52s to their full potential 'flesh and body' and the Yamaha i used on the elacs brought them to life ! Did you watch the last 10 seconds ? I put me heavy weight on the elacs and their very well balanced even at loud volumes the bass stays composed solid speaker espically for 300 bucks !!!

[@JohnDoe-cv8iw]

on my computer im running a pair of these speakers with an AS-701 and loving them!! probably wont buy a pair of speakers till i find a pair of NS-1000's. i bought the elac's (same speaker but older version with rear port) for under $300 open box on amazon and it was one of the best speaker purchases i ever made

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

@JohnDoe-cv8iw Yamaha sounds great with Elac ' loved the combo with As1100/CA810 ' The pioneer fs52s paired up very well also actually better than me elacub52 Synergy '

[@mattnordlich184]

Finally found a video of decent pairing with these after 2 years of owning em. I’m running these with Yamaha R9 150w AB. I call it 80s sleeper amp

[@brianh4596]

Hi Tee-Jay 😀, Thanks for another great video. Based upon your experience with these speakers, I would stay with a larger speakers (if size is not a problem) that have a higher efficiency. Larger drivers and higher impedance with a lower wattage amplifier for people just starting out on their hi-fi journey. Fluance has some great tower speakers at a lower price point that have gained really great reviews from several well known reviewers. I am still looking for a new pair of speakers to match with my Yamaha amplifier (80 watts per channel). I am currently using a vintage pair of Koss speakers. I think they sound good, but I would like to try something new. Thanks again, and best regards, Brian.

[@geniussnake497]

Wow, you must be strong! You moved those heavy amplifiers like they were nothing! 😅

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Jiu-jitsu '

[@erocnw1341]

Good review. I am considering buying the UB52 but am concerned that my Arcam 40 watt per channel integrated amp won't run the speakers properly. The search continues.

[@starker1971]

I have an idea about how you can take bargainphile to eleven. Consider copper bullet connectors and an alternative to tube connectors. I also would like to point out in the AB comparison on New Record day.. The ultra bad nut fasteners at the back of the binding terminals were still in those speakers. Without them the convenience of switching connections would not have been possible. That means the metal nut was both ok, and bad all at the same time.

[@Simsonlover222]

kef 350 vs elac ub-52 what u think?

[@PradeepkumarAshok]

Hi Tee-Jay, would you mind doing a review on the schiit vidar amp ? Like to hear your thoughts on that.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

I got ya , I was actually going to pass on that one but alot of subscribers want me to so yeah my nexted day off from work I will review the Vidar 😃

[@erics.4113]

I'm running ub52 on both a Cambridge cxa61 (60 watt) and a NAD C316bee v2 (40 watts) at their 8ohm rating. I realize those watt figures are probably higher with the ELAC 6ohm rating since the amps are both 4ohm stable. I am preferring the Cambridge over the NAD and am wondering if it is down to the power. I have a smallish room and do not need either amp past half way point on volume control to get it loud enough for me, however I am aware that peak dynamics and such in music may place demands on an amp far beyond what the set volume level would indicate. In other words, having them at 50% volume I'm aware that a peak In the music could still be drawing every bit of available power from that transformer and if it is lacking in anyway, I will lose some of that punch, kick, crescendo, whatever you want to call it. Energy. That's it. Will lose some of that energy. I've heard speakers run out of gas in the past but I'm new again to 2ch and wondering if my next step is to get a more powerful amp for the arsenal. At my listening levels, I don't think I'm missing out on much with the 60watt Cambridge or even the 40 watt NAD, however that final 5-10% on dynamic peaks could be the difference in sound when listening to 'difficult' parts in songs that are requiring extra energy on tap. Thanks for doing the review it has me thinking again at emotiva, just so i have a high wattage power section to try out. The Yamaha is beautiful my friend. I'm just not there with the pockets yet. 😋

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

The cxa 61 looks like a stout integrated they use Sanken output transitors and nice size toridal (power supply) I think you should be good driving the Elacs whats the 4 ohm ratings ? The CXA has full range preouts also 😃

[@erics.4113]

@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 90 watts into 4ohms... so my guess at 6ohm it is around 70ish watts if it's 60w @ 8ohm? I'm using the stereo pre outs to run to the sub currently, even though it has a sub output. On the short list is a sub cable to try AB the difference using full range pre vs dedicated sub output.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

@@erics.4113 Yes your dedicated sub output from your Integrated amp is a mono output, Meaning your getting both left and right channel out of your sub instead of just left or Right channel , if your using a sub you should be good to go !! I would Have the subs crossed over between 60-80s hz or what sounds best in your room . But yeah your amp should be a solid 75-90 watts with the elacs , The elacs play more in the range of 4 ohms and their really about 83-84 db efficancy , I didnt test them on any equitment other than in comparrsion to my other speakers rated around the same specs .

[@erics.4113]

@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 well the cxa61 is only 18 pounds so I'm thinking I'll stick some diver lead weights on top and make it 30lb for even better sound 😁

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

@@erics.4113 😆 i wish the Elacs would have been bi-ample for mid/hi and lows that would of been perfect , Thomas and Stereo reviewed a $300.00 US class d amp kit I just wonder how that would work with our smaller integrated amps pre outputs

[@robertmoreau8404]

Great videos, good job ! Would be interested to have your tought on power conditionner. Thanks

[@ziivido]

Do you think that Cambridge Audio CXA-81 is powerful enough for these speakers or do you suggest something else? I'm looking for an Amp with integrated DAC, I will mostly play Hi-Res FLAC files

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Do not buy that amp !! Espically if yout using USB input Been there done thay trust me ! Theirs i reason i didn't spend much time with it or review keeping it real go for Yamaha AS -801

[@lloydbrown3223]

Great information, thanks! Tee-Jay, in your opinion, which speakers paired best with the 6000a?

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

The Triangle Esprit EZ comete/ Triangle 40th Anneversity Comete Klispch Rp 160m 6000a makes for a solid preamp as well when you put in preamp mode the power amps relays cut the power off to the amp for low noise awesome feature !

[@lloydbrown3223]

Thanks for sharing!

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

@@lloydbrown3223 if you have any ?just ask in comments

[@stuartwiner7920]

I own a pair of these and I think they sound great, but I have no way of comparing them since most showrooms have shut down a long time ago. I can only compare through youtube, and they all sound just like my Hisense TV-speakers. Why don't you like them? What's missing?

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

I mean their OK their just not enough presence up top for got sparkle and airyness and bass is just OK until I use a big powerful amp then bass is better espically up at louder volumes but 3d imaging isn't that great imho but sound is subjective but I have owned many speakers at this procepoint but some pep will love them !!

[@stuartwiner7920]

@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 Thanks. I'm probably going to get some Lumina 2's or Triangle Comete' in the next month. Do you have a favorite in the $1000+ price range?

[@heranyadesilva1634]

Hey Tee-Jay thank you for the awesome review! Right now I can get the IOTAVX stack with the dedicated PA3 and save $350 compared to the Emotiva stack. DO you think that will drive these properly or should I go for the Emotiva instead.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Yes the Iota Stack will drive them ! I would take the stack all day long over the Emotiva . I have a comparrsion video no super detailed but yeah Iota for the money its solid !! I love it

[@heranyadesilva1634]

@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 Sold!. Thank you so much! I watched most of your reviews, hope to see more!!!

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

@@heranyadesilva1634 Ohhh yeah finishing up my dedicated listening room as we speak 😃 Got lots to cover the new Omnia all in 1 amp and the Audiolab 8300a dual mono integrated amp 😃

[@heranyadesilva1634]

@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 ​ Oh damn that's progress, cant wait to see your new space! Also I got my PA3 today and hopefully the SA3 will arrive by evening. But to my surprise the manual has changed the power ratings. New manual says 70W in to 4ohm stereo and 140W mono. I wont be able to try them with my Elacs for sometime, hope its not a drastic difference.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

@@heranyadesilva1634 Hmmm maybe Iota is using a different way of testing power output The Sa3 is 50/90 watts 8/4 ohms And stack is 100/180 watts dual mono Thats weird its changed

[@freakin13guy]

The Dodge 10 with the KT120s wasn’t enough juice for these UB52s or was the synergy just not there with that pairing?

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

The synergy wasn't there to warm for the Elacs . The Doge 10 is a 59 pound Beast ! I been comparing the Doge to my Yamaha AS-1100 and Wow I can't believe how powerful the Doge is ! Doge review very coming soon !

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Actually i will talk more about the Elacs ub52s and the Doge during the Doge review 😃

[@Holychickendestroyer]

You can always count on Yamaha. Specially that a-s1000’s and above series. I wonder how the a-s701 rated at 100 watt would sound with the Elacs. Do you use a sub along the Elacs?

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Sometimes i use subs and yes the 701 will pair up to the Elacs , I had the 801 and last 20secs of video you will see i drove the Elacs with my 51.5 pounds of Yamaha AS-1100 that amp sounded amazing with Elacs

[@jeffrielly]

Hey Tee-Jay I have a question I thought maybe you could help me with. I recently just moved into a new place, and I myself am new to the audio world, well my new place has a media room, and what I am doing is making as such thus I am using it for my gaming room/music room/home theater so I'm going to be using a home theater receiver as my central hub for all things audio both music and watching movies, as well as playing console video games, the receiver and speakers that I have are hi-res, and I got a 7.2 receiver, but I want to save a little bit of money as I already have 2 Dayton sub 1200s, one of them is already in use as the sub to my gaming PC, and it uses the high level input/output for the audio on it, but I was wondering if I can do this while simultaneously using the mono input on it for my home theater receiver and have it still work, I obviously would not be watching a movie and playing om my gaming pc at the same time, but I was wondering if I can do this? the reason I ask is because the amp I am using for my computer speakers while it has two inputs on it, a .25 inch TRS input, and an RCA Input it will not work if a source is fed into both at the same time, so I was wondering if it would be the same with a subwoofer.

[@JR-ho5qm]

Hey TJ would you consider using the Emotiva trade in program and update your old PT100 and A300 in for the new PT1 A2 combo and let us know if it’s much of a improvement? I’m really curious if it would be worth the upgrade

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

J R I'm curious also if that would be a upgrade or not Because heres the double edged sword str8 up. 😆 (IF) the new sound is different (colored/Flavor) then its really going depend on your speakers you have if the synergy is better or not , BUT IF the sound is similar and the improvements are as in just performace better dynamics/Soundstage/Attack/Vocals/tonality/ then yeah may be an upgrade with new version If people would write Emotiva to send me the combo i will compare them . But one of the best upgrades i did with the Emo-Combo is a solid dac or Phono pre-amp thats to YOUR TASTE 😃

[@JR-ho5qm]

@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 Ok pal , I will write Emotiva after supper and suggest they send to you 😃

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

@@JR-ho5qm thank you ! , you can send them me review video 😃 I actually bought the basX Combo

[@robertwoodward9231]

Do you think the rotel 11 can do them justice?

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Imho No ! Just keeping it real ! Watch last 30 seconds of video took my 52 pound Yamaha to drive them fully ' But if you use a powered sub and crossover freq at 60hz you'd be good to go -

[@robertwoodward9231]

@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 How about the yammy 801? Same ole Thang tho. Great reviews and not so good ones.

[@trevornmartinmartin2756]

thanks

[@AromaFrank]

Hi, Thanks for your helpful videos. From all the speakers u have heard (under $700) which one do you like the most? (I know every ones taste is different) I have (one week now) the Elac UB52 and like u mentioned it’s not my taste I like the sound to be a little more closer or boosted. I have it paired with Rotel A11 Tribute. In order to really enjoy the music I have to set volume at 50 and up. But then after half hour I can feel my ears. I have a small room 8x9. Should I buy a speaker that has a more boosted sound, so I can enjoy the music at lower volume(what speaker?) ? Or maybe the Rotel is not enough to drive the UB52?

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Hey K , I understand completely during my video i talked about my dozen class AB amps the smaller ones 20lbs and less just didn't have what i call enough voltage to drive the elacs with that full flesh and body sound , Yes active subwoofers helped out with my smaller amps once i had the crossover point at 60hz but i still didn't get that midbass impact i liked alot ! Those Elacs like powaaa to be driven properly Imho they should have been rated at 83db efficancy . At the end of my video I gave a quick sound demo of driving the elacs with proper power amp that was set at 9:30 on volume clock (low volume) the Bass was hitting just like your talking about Hard ! My favotite speaker under $700.00US is no Other than the Triangle BRO 3 I have 2 videos posted on the Bro3 The bro3 have exellence bass top end is a lil forward and articulate and a nice warm midrange and rated at 90db efficancy My lil IOTA VX SA3 integrated drives the BRO 3 properly ! But Zero -Fidelity has a very good video review on the Bro3 But the Elacs do sound good with proper power they are growing on me !! But a lil dry 😥 on top or imho re-cessed

[@AromaFrank]

@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 Thanks. Btw I have it paired with a active sub but I can enjoy so much the midrange.. Interesting about the bro 3, because Cheap audioman knocked off this speaker.. :(, I don’t remember now why. BTW - In general - listening at 50/55 volume, is it considered high?

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

@@AromaFrank I had the Bro 3 on loan lease agreement, wish i would have bought them, i most likely will buy them in the future. The Bro3 scales up the ladder very well with better and better audio. I put hundreds of hours on the Bro 3 with a wide range of amps ! But honestly its the speaker you like that matters, not me not C.A.M. Remb the number 1 componete in your Hi-Fi system is YOU my friend ! But i do believe adorama will give you a trial period with Bro3 if you don't like them send them back the only thing with the bro3 is they do not sound good in a high reflective room ( or what i call a room that echos badly) And they need some room to breath I made sure to put that in the channels video review , the bro3 gave my lsim703s a run for the money that shocked me ! The 703s don't have the most refined treble amp pairing is huge with 703s but when right ohhhhhh my !! 😃

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Yes thats high !

[@AromaFrank]

@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 Thanks. So in a room like mine 9x8. Isn’t too small for the Bro 3 ? I’m putting it into a shelf surrounded with books! Also do u remember about it’s clarity in midrange and treble?

[@emustang]

Hello Tee-Jay! Thanks for all the good information. I will like some advice from you. I am planning to buy a pair of elac ub52. However I have a Denon AVR receiver 125 watts per channel @ 8 ohms and 165 @ 6 ohms. I would like to know in your experience, do you think my AVR is good for the elacs? I read information that suggest not to change the ohms setting at the AVR and to play @ 8 ohms no matter the speakers ohms rating is. Is this correct ? Or do you think I should change the setting to 6 ohms and play the speakers @ 6 ohms? Thanks in advance friend!!

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Honestly I would try both 8/6 ohms settings and you decide which one you like better 😃 Remb the number 1 componete in your hifi system is you ! In A Hometheater setup you'll be using power subs and you will have a cut off around 60-80 hz with your elacs so i think you Will be just fine ! I mainly just talk about the 2ch steteo setup and playing these speakers at full freq range thats why i was talking about how the ub52s love power !! But in a H.T. setup yeah your good to go !

[@emustang]

@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 Thanks for your advice friend!

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

@@emustang thanks for stopping in !

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

@@emustang thats what i am here for 😃 your welcome

[@emustang]

@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 According to your information I will be good with the Denon AVR as you said. I will play the Elacs in a 2.1 setup with a SVS subwoofer and crossover at 80 Hz.

[@JohnDoe-cv8iw]

the woofer isnt a neo magnet, you can tell by looking at it that its a traditional motor. not sure about the midrange though

[@clapped_globe2368]

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