Part 2:Is Livescope Good or Bad? Fish biologist explains impacts Livescope has on crappie population

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Күн бұрын

Keith Meals is a veteran fish biologist with the Mississippi Department of Wildlife, Fisheries, and Parks. He helps manages the world renowned crappie lakes in North Mississippi (Arkabutla, Sardis, Enid, and Grenada). In this video, he explains how Livescoping has sparked the interest of the younger generation to go fishing. Meals also dispels myths about Livescope and the impact it has on consumptive fish reproduction like crappie now and in the future.

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@Ronie792 Ай бұрын

To the scoopers out there when you make the blanket statement that you’re not hurting fish, but you’re catching fish out of any word from 20to 40 feet of water you’re crazy if you don’t think there’s some damage going on there cause I guarantee you that a majority of scoopers that are catching fish at a deep water are not checking bass to make sure they don’t need vented and that’s a fact, and I bet you a majority of scoopers would not even know how to vent a fish so don’t try to sell us that you’re not hurting the fish

@kelemaney753 Ай бұрын

People have been catching fish out of 20-40ft for decades. If released quickly they usually don’t need fizzed, but I do think tournament anglers could generally do a better job of taking care of their fish

@BennettBuilt-yu2gw Ай бұрын

Best way to to not damage the fish is to not fish.

@kayakwesty Ай бұрын

Crappie fisherman in East Tennessee will never be catch and release. Freezer fillers. Limits need to change.

@tombutler7726 Ай бұрын

It should not be a surprise to anyone that it is having an impact on fish populations. If it wasn’t more effective no one would pay the high costs for FFS.

@haroldsfishingadventures754 Ай бұрын

People are dumb though

@tinalocd2990 Ай бұрын

Great video.. very informative 🙏🏿

@tvtwood Ай бұрын

Thank you!

@kennylowe9404 Ай бұрын

I would be supportive of a slot limit. Maybe 12-16”.

@jeffjames9568 Ай бұрын

There needs to be yearly limits along with the daily

@arngreencare8955 Ай бұрын

Limits don't matter. You'd have to bring the limits down to three fish or less. People will go catch their limit, take the fish home and hit the water again. I see them all the time, " I got my limit, let me take these home and come back after lunch." They literally brag about it...

@majtx 17 күн бұрын

For bass fishing, does the increase in fishing pressure by virtue of live scope have negative consequences for the health of fish populations, not to mention the impact it has on those not using live scope?

@futtmill Ай бұрын

I believe livescope has an impact on crappie populations but I think we overstate it. If you think about the evolution of crappie fishing: single pole with a minnow, to spider rigging, to now livescope. The sport of crappie fishing has grown from people in a Jon boat that want a good meal to people that do it money. There are more plastic jigs and hair jigs on the market now to trick a crappie into biting than ever before. Quieter and stronger trolling motors with gps and spot lock, brakes on your boat, and the list goes on and on! Not to mention that environmental conditions play a major role in crappie populations! Every lake has it ebbs and flows in fish populations due to environmental conditions that we don’t control. So now because the market is so strong for crappie fishing (how many jig pole and plastic jig companies have popped up over the past 10-15 years?), on top of environmental conditions, and better technology like livescope we are seeing what we see now. I personally believe charters and tournaments should be limited if you are going to reduce the number and size of fish regular people keep.

@MrStillgotit5 Ай бұрын

Who's WE??? You're a biologist conducting studies?

@MuahMan Ай бұрын

Very small sample on my home lake, but it's DECIMATING the Crappie population.

@Kadenld Ай бұрын

I hear rumors that fish and wildlife is considering putting size and limit restrictions for people fishing with livescope that differ from people who are not. I didn’t see anything in this video about it though.

@LaviniaTortuga Ай бұрын

Let’s see, pro football. Ruined. College football. Ruined. Well at least I have fishing. Along came livescope……

@billylove5793 Ай бұрын

Exactly true.

@CarlHooks-l3c Ай бұрын

Then buy you one quit crying

@352508 Ай бұрын

@@CarlHooks-l3cThat’s not the point and you know it. This isn’t a one fisherman problem, it’s a national fishing problem.

@jeffjames9568 Ай бұрын

What happened to pro football, I havent watched since the kneeling during the national anthem lol haven't missed it what so ever

@kenjohnston2426 Ай бұрын

My feelings exactly. Especially in regards to College Football (really College sports in general) and fishing. Livescope has reduced the importance of the angler’s skills and turned tournament fishing into a video game. I hope the States are able to control the use of advances in technology but I’m not sure how they will be able to control this.

@arngreencare8955 Ай бұрын

The pro to FFS is it's getting younger anglers involved? So you have to pamper these kids to get them to fish, even though you just stated negative effects it's having on the fisheries. This is what it's all about folks, keep people buying fishing licenses, or whatever rolls the money in...

@lightfeather9953 Ай бұрын

The fisheries are already managed and stocked in a lot of cases. Unless you think you deserve to have a public resource all to yourself, it's generally good to have more people getting in to fishing. Would you rather the sport be in big decline and have no management money? If you think fishing pressure is inherently bad then why don't you want to ban fishing all together? Or make much stricter restrictions on when and how to fish?

@arngreencare8955 Ай бұрын

You don't make any sense. And no, there's alot of fisheries that are not stocked. You think we have the resources to stock lake Okeechobee? That's laughable to even try it. If younger anglers want to play a video game, it's easier and cheaper to do it from your couch rather than the bow of an 80,000 dollar bass boat. And listen to what was said here, FFS is putting more pressure on the fisheries. And if FFS is needed for a person to catch fish, that alone says something about that person's skill set and mentality...

@ifishcatfish Ай бұрын

Great video. The STATE is, as always, BEHIND. DO YOUR JOB OR WE PRIVATIZE ALL LAKES! Let's see what private lake owner will let 100 guides roam around his lake for 100 bucks a year!

@timleng4404 4 күн бұрын

Come to Commifornia where it cost up to $28 to launch a boat. You don’t want privatization lake.

@ifishcatfish 4 күн бұрын

@@timleng4404 ME? I want every lake in the country Private! No Privat Owner will allow his fish to be harvested like that! No Private Owner will allow guides on the first place!

@deweyknight9093 Ай бұрын

Great video. I wish there was something being done state wide because of live scope you have more people crappie fishing and keeping the fish just to say look at what I caught. I know there is people doing right but there is also those that won't do right.

@tvtwood Ай бұрын

Agreed

@squarebill Ай бұрын

Need to designate certain areas as in spawning grounds off limits during the spawn so that those fish in those areas can spawn without being pressured. Wish they would do that here on Ky Lake I know all anglers around here would be on board with it . I'm not saying all spawning areas but a percentage off limits say from March to April .

@Nobodyimportant696 Ай бұрын

FFS 😂 I thought not knowing is the fun of fishing. trolling is bad enough.

@CAN43715 Ай бұрын

Having a fish at the of the line. Everything else is icing on the cake.

@wayne-oo Ай бұрын

This is just discrimination ! Maybe everyone should just fish with one pole ! Instead of 4 !!!!

@jermarius314 Ай бұрын

Cut out all the guide services

@ZZ430T56 Ай бұрын

Good sensible discussion. They really can't ban Livescope for recreational fishing. Too many have it and too much money invested. And it's not like it is difficult to catch a limit of Crappie, Perch, Sunfish, or other edible fish with out it.

@davidguelette7036 25 күн бұрын

Like 100 yard crossbows,drones, and other technology, mixed with human nature these devices have an effect on the resources.

@CAN43715 9 күн бұрын

So ban all firearms, electronics etc and go back to nets and spears? How about management through conservation?

@davidguelette7036 9 күн бұрын

@CAN43715 Of course there has to be moderation. Drones,infrared,and whatever is developed in the near future are not in the spirit of fair chase How long before things like forward facing sonar are paired with A.I.?What are the limits,or are there any. Just a conversation.

@CAN43715 9 күн бұрын

@@davidguelette7036 Some would argue a 300 winchester magnum is not fair chase. It is up to Federal, State and local authorities to decide. In the end, it is conservation that is the future to protect the resource, and fair chase is what you make of it.

@davidguelette7036 9 күн бұрын

@CAN43715 Nah,that's not factual. Nobody has ever called a rifle cartridge "not fair chase".You're watching Natural Resources officials present facts based on actual research tell us we are affecting the resource.That's what conservation is.

@CAN43715 9 күн бұрын

@@davidguelette7036 There are many archery hunters who consider hunting with a rifle "not fair chase." Also, in regard to conservation, it is not so much 'how', but 'how many'.

@ericmasseyjigco Ай бұрын

FFS turned bad fishermen into guides overnight

@futtmill Ай бұрын

Also, I forgot to mention on my first comment that a real life example that shows we can’t blame livescope for everything is Bee Lake in Mississippi. Bee used to be a fantastic crappie lake. You could catch a limit in the spring with your eyes closed. But that started to change after a bad flood in 2011. For several years after the flood, the crappie fishing was poor and this was before people were using livescope (livescope didn’t hit the market until like 2015 or 2016 and it didn’t really take off until a few years after that with more and more people using it). The flood allowed Asian carp to invade the lake and the state stocked alligator gar in the lake to control the carp so people started blaming the flood, carp, and gar for the poor crappie fishing. So this is what I meant under my first comment when I said environmental conditions can have a drastic impact on crappie populations. Floods, droughts, etc all play a role. It’s not as simple as blaming new technology like livescope all the time. Bee Lake has slowly started to make a comeback over the past two or three years (even though more people are using livescope now). Some of it is due to decent spawns and the state stocking the lake a few times since the flood.

@ronfish481 Ай бұрын

I guess I’m one of those that feeds there neighbors, the reason I do is because they don’t fish and I believe that’s a good thing to do. Believe me I really rather not clean so many fish, ( crappie) I do not have livescope and I only use jigs, with 1 pole. It’s more of a challenge to catch fish without a video screen that shows your fish biting it.

@jimk4267 Ай бұрын

you're feeding people who don't buy licenses and support the fisheries. Let them go

@ronfish481 Ай бұрын

@ those people pay taxes so that roads and bridges that lead to the lake are kept fixed, also my friends and neighbors give me food from there gardens or help me with something. The little fee that I pay doesn’t even come close to the taxes they pay.

@jimk4267 Ай бұрын

@@ronfish481 you make no sense...what does property or gas tax have to do with fisheries management? You just want to show off....doesn't matter the health of the fishery. It is someone else's fault

@jeffs.8773 Ай бұрын

If your neighbors do not fish, please don't feed them with your fish. That's not how we maintain a healthy fish population for the future!

@ronfish481 Ай бұрын

@@jimk4267 I’m not a person that wants to show off, I believe in giving to others also I give to people that have licenses, one time after getting off the lake me and my friend had a good mess of crappie and talked to 2 other fishermen that didn’t catch hardly at all and we gave them all the crappie, I do that whenever I can. Some people have a hard time catching them and go home with nothing. I hope you catch a bunch of fish this year and be safe on the water.

@ScottCooper-yx4ds Ай бұрын

You are going to have to drop the bag limits to half what they are know

@mikeh8374 Ай бұрын

Fishing license adds money to the fish fund but very few times do you see them stocking lakes.

@kellymiller3136 Ай бұрын

Don’t harvest them catch and release.

@rickjames5469 Ай бұрын

@@T.Laz-Crafts if this was the case wouldnt u say bass fishing is bad? Tournament fishing is bad? Thats all catch and release! I think most of yall just wanna complain about something!!!

@jimk4267 Ай бұрын

@@T.Laz-Crafts sure that's why all the bass are gone...try again

@CAN43715 Ай бұрын

@@T.Laz-Crafts So, don't fish for them at all? C&R has a higher survival rate than the frying pan. No study needed.

@johnseiler7712 Ай бұрын

Somewhat like trail cameras used to target the biggest bucks on a property. Live scope allows targeting the biggest fish in a school and when they get spooked off a spot you can follow them. If a lake is fertile and has an excellent food source for the species of interest, then livescope likely not a factor. But a declining lake's lunker population would suffer from live scope unless catch and release over a certain size.

@CAN43715 9 күн бұрын

I am a pure, traditional angler who sits on the shoreline with just a bobber and doesn't catch crap. I have a case of beer though, and now I can comment on Utube bashing all those anglers out there who I watched from shore catching fish with FF sonar and made me so jealous. Maybe I should get a job and stop whining.

@tomrathbun1113 Ай бұрын

My father taught me fishing. Cat fish, crappie, blue gill and bass, yes taught me the tackle, the fish habits, the structure and conitions. Over the last fifty years, I read articles, practiced casting, did what it takes to be a pretty good fisherman. Those skills, I passed to my son. I'm afraid we may become a nation of tiny fish. Live scopers spending thousands of dollars will over harvest. A livescoper can go to most of my states small lakes and clean out the large predators and breeders with little or no effort. leaving nothing for future generations

@LunkerFishing Ай бұрын

As a fisheries biologist why are you not changing the limit that can be harvested, no matter how they are being caught, so that the fisheries are stabilized. Isn't that what you were doing before forward facing sonar? You set the limit based on what the fisheries can handle. Why are you not doing that now? If the fishery went the other direction and the numbers of fish available were drastically larger than could be harvested, would you not increase the limits? It sounds to me as if you are not responding to the fishery in a timely manner. What you talked about here is over many years (since 2018) yet you let the fishery be diminished to the degree you are talking about here.

@CAN43715 9 күн бұрын

Exactly! A lot of misinformation. Conservation is the future of the resource, not all this B.S. about FF sonar.

@coldspring624 Ай бұрын

The livescope will have extreme effects in the ice belt big time. Small body's will get pounded bad.

@shannonnetherton7782 Ай бұрын

All states should ban ffs on small lakes 1000 acres or less , people are harvesting fish 12 months a year depleting the population of spawn to nothing, no spawn no fish...

@lawrencefranck9417 Ай бұрын

Outlaw live scope…. Or fisherman using live scope shouldn’t be allowed to keep fish…

@TojiZenin3956 Ай бұрын

Livescope, over fishing, stuff the freezer etc..... eventually end badly for ALL fisherman. But who cares right? Move on to the next thing.

@gregfoster7158 Ай бұрын

Livescope is akin to shining a deer with a light. It should be banned.

@CAN43715 Ай бұрын

Except those shining a light at deer are not practicing catch and release, big difference. That is like saying shooting out of a moving vehicle is illegal and fishing out of a moving boat should be also. You are comparing Apples to Oranges. If you ever use two completely different things to make a comparison backing up your argument in Court, I guarantee the Judge will laugh at you!

@gregfoster7158 Ай бұрын

@CAN43715 you obviously don't know what ethics are. You shouldn't be allowed to catch and release crappie in the fist place. You will tear their mouth all to shit. You catch a limit of crappie, you already have released some in the process. Our resources are not a toy to be played with. A lot of released fish die. If you need something to play with, try playing with y r s f.

@jdmcnugent6808 Ай бұрын

@@CAN43715what about all the guides using livescope who take multiple groups of people out and they all keep crappie. They do it all year and every year. Your reply makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

@CHASIN_A_BASS 28 күн бұрын

I grew up fishing with no trolling motor or fish finder on a boat...i learned how to actually fish! No need for a livescope

@CAN43715 9 күн бұрын

I grew up that way also. Caught a lot of fish. Later got a boat instead of a canoe. Then a Lowrance green box and trolling motor. Now I have a nice bass boat with FF sonar and all the goodies. Catching fish and loving it!!!!

@CHASIN_A_BASS 9 күн бұрын

@CAN43715 I've used livescope , and honestly It took the fun and skill out of fishing for me. No element of surprise, No figuring the fish out. Im river rat also, so I like back waters and shallows

@CAN43715 9 күн бұрын

@ Ya, everyone is different. For me, FF sonar has taught me so much about fish behavior and lure presentation that I would never have learned without it. So many options. Kind of like fly fishing, some like it some don't, or bobber fishing etc.

@JA-gx4hb Ай бұрын

Salmon fisherman here. I don't get catch and release. Harassing/torturing fish for your own amusement. Catch your limit, get off the lake. Declining fish populations? Decrease the limit. No fish? Find a new hobby.

@NorthweSteelheadJunkies Ай бұрын

If you really want to conserve fish please stay buying your salmon in a store.

@MuahMan Ай бұрын

Livescope is decimating the Crappie populations in my home lake.

@RiverRat-2112 Ай бұрын

I would hate to see more laws and smaller limits. How about we all work the peer pressure? I live near a small river that has become a good Muskie fishery. It is legal to keep Muskie but if you keep them out of that river you will have no one to talk too and likely some flat tires every time you show up. The regular Muskie folks enjoy the fishing and know that it would not take much to destroy it in so small a water so they protect it.

@CAN43715 9 күн бұрын

So, are you promoting vandalism?

@RiverRat-2112 9 күн бұрын

@@CAN43715 No, just saying that it happens.

@CAN43715 9 күн бұрын

@@RiverRat-2112 Ok, just be careful. Suggesting that we all work the peer pressure and then relating on how that is done by fellow anglers getting flat tires near you might suggest otherwise.

@sherryparker6201 25 күн бұрын

And If they catch them in 40 feet of water an bring them up it kills them, any species it's sad

@tomrathbun1113 3 күн бұрын

LIVESCOPE WILL RUIN FISHERIES

@jamesbarron1202 Ай бұрын

Put stricter limits on anglers with FFS. Don’t punish the guys who aren’t taking as many fish on average who don’t have it.

@ericmasseyjigco Ай бұрын

Exactly

@zebra3738 15 күн бұрын

Ban FFS!

@rickjames5469 Ай бұрын

I have livescope i love it. I catch and release. Im not hurting anything! Alot of people hate on it because they cannot afford it!

@coldspring624 Ай бұрын

You think everyone is catch and release ? I know better

@MrStillgotit5 Ай бұрын

Then stay home and play video games (Live scoping is playing Wii).. It is going to destroy crappie populations. Did you even watch the video?

@LaviniaTortuga Ай бұрын

@@rickjames5469 I can easily afford one. I go fishing to breathe in the fresh air, look at nature , catch a few fish. I can look at a computer screen at home. If it makes someone else happy, than do it. But regulate the harvest. The fish have no where to hide now.

@macdaddyblues1 Ай бұрын

70% of crappie fisherman on these lakes have it... your not that special bro.

@CAN43715 Ай бұрын

And those that can afford it are too mentally challenged to figure out how to use it. Lots of old farts.

@wayne-oo Ай бұрын

This is just a scapegoat to blame technology and not blame the resources department for miss management of the fisheries Thru reduced limits !!

@mikefrantz9751 Ай бұрын

It's not miss management It's Sportsmans over harvesting It's that simple . I have a fri.d who fished a small lake and hammered it to the point t that he can't catch anything over 8" where he was keeping every 12" and bigger and so was everyone else was doing the same thing now it's hard to even catch decent size crappie. There are a lot of slob fisherman out their in my area we also have Amish who keep everything and wipe out bedding fish and the DNR does nothing

@wayne-oo Ай бұрын

@mikefrantz9751 You make my point , over harvest is the problem, DNR can manage this but they don't ! Also people who live on any lake that they se a dramatic drop in fish populations should form a lake association to come up with a local solution and bring it to the DNR's attention to help change or regulate that lakes limits ! It is done here in Minnesota all the time but it is a slow process ! Overall the use of 4 lines per angler is a huge pressure problem......

@352508 Ай бұрын

FFS technology is increasing overfishing. Get your head out of the sand.

@flathead_fisher3013 Ай бұрын

they outta put stricter creels for people using live scope, not the people who aren't cheating

@MegaMagaTrumpsavingAmerica Ай бұрын

I’m sure every fisherman called this dude and offered him his information. I believe that he is pulling a feather out from his (blank) and spewing his hate for livescope. Exactly how did you get your information? Every lake has a limit on what you can harvest. Personally I think he is full of (blank)

@mattthomen1608 Ай бұрын

Catch and release, only.... eat😮 a burger 🍔 .

@brianschumaker5912 Ай бұрын

They said all of the same crap when the first Humminbird flasher came out.

@CAN43715 Ай бұрын

Reduced bag limits, slot limits, size limits all work. All you anti FF sonar anglers need to worry about yourself, and stop being so concerned about what others do. MYOB!!!!