Part 2: The Society of St. Pius X

[@thestroll1]

Hurrah for this Society of St. Pius X!! They have kept Our Catholic Tradition Alive! Pope Benedict XVI has Always regarding its Founder with great love and admiration. The Holy Father will do the right thing. The Church needs these good priests !

[@orth82]

SSPX = amazing. I feel so fortunate to be able to attend their Masses every day of the week if I so choose. The FSSP do good work as well in keeping the TLM alive, but I have a special admiration for the SSPX for standing up for what they believe is right.

[@playstationuniverse1]

I also love how the two traditionalist fraternities FSSP and The SSPX have come to an agreement to stop attacking each other for the sake of contributing towards the same mission... THE RESTORATION OF THE CATHOLIC SOCIAL ORDER!

[@iliya3110]

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre is a Saint. The current pontificate has proven that Lefebvre was way ahead of his time. Viva Cristo Rey!

[@panduswastika1441]

I love SSPX, I miss being a Traditional but I hope Pope can discuss with SSPX and reunited back to rome. Amen. And all Christian will reunited.

[@deybalingit4719]

Pandu Swastika Pope unites among Christians and non Christians, believers and non believers because christ is UNITY and not division but they called the heretics... this SSPX organization is Judas Iscariot betrayed Christ

[@coachchris548]

United we should be. One,Holy, Catholic,Apostlic Church Well my Roman Catholic Brother

[@coachchris548]

Well said. We must continue praying

[@angelm8557]

ha, ha, FSPX is not faithful anymore to arc Lafevre. The Mass in Los Gatos is almost Novus Ordo, they stand on Sanctus, and after Eucharistic prays. No first Friday celebration. It is a joke. One of my priests from Poland who got to the left and left the priesthood. He found some true but he does not want to share. Terrible. I am to Orthodox for FSSPX. Thinking about Pius V society who are not around my area.That is a lot of pride among their priests especially I know that from priests from Poland.

[@sarahok4197]

Any SSPX teens here? I feel like I am the only one in existence at the moment

[@lejuiferrant2226]

+Sarah-marie Okeeffe You're not alone ! ;)

[@frankpontone2139]

Are you personally satisfied with the leadership of Bishop Fellay and do you believe that the SSPX will soon reconcile with Rome?

[@michaelrex6948]

Here! Pax.

[@cocoycanzana598]

Me me

[@jessaclairebernadettecabus558]

Your not alone :)

[@EmmanuelGoldstein74]

God bless the SSPX and Bishop Fellay.

[@yagi3925]

God bless a pedo enabler and protector??

[@christopherbetaganso2709]

our faith is not built on feelings...

[@traditionforever5038]

Thanks be to God for the SSPX !

[@javaman8895]

I’m here because of Pope Francis’ MP. I’ve had a tradversion after suffering many abuses in the NO mass. Just imagine how our Lord feels and suffers with so much irreverence taking place in many masses throughout the world. Those that condemn traditionalists should really question their motives. I am speaking as one who used to think like you. The scales have been removed from my eyes to the beauty and splendor of our faith preserved by the SSPX although I’m not a member

[@josephzammit8483]

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[@boogywoogs]

Thank you, CatholicNewsService, for a wonderful documentary. These young men are a fine example and obviously love God. Full credit to you for showing this video on KZbin and congratulations on a fine piece of work.

[@christopherpavesi7245]

Without the traditional Mass I would be damned for sure. The traditional Mass and the Rosary have brought be back to the Mystical Body of Christ.

[@digitalsketchguy]

I am new to the SSPX, i never knew. I do hope the Vatican at least gives parish priests the right to say the Latin mass and maybe, just maybe, we'll see more congregations, not fewer. My mother laments the demise of the latin mass. Very few are aware of it and the Roman catholic church is the poorer for it.

[@diannawest8846]

Thank God The Holy Father New we needed you back to help mend all the damage that was done by V2 I still kneel for communion & wear a mantilla as I am dedicated to Our Lady of Sorrows it is heat braking seeing all of my family walk away from the Church since V2 I still pray to St's Christopher & Philomena even though they trough them out God bless you we need you back to help rebuild the church that our Dear Lord left us

[@comethalley3185]

Lets pray Rome will come back to its root

[@qvoprimum]

The pre-conciliar Magisterium is binding. The posconciliar Magisterium has to be in tandem, not in contradiction. The Vatican II teaching is pastoral, not dogmatic.

[@kusalahind4353]

I need a plane ticket to Switzerland NOW

[@tessaben1211]

.....me too.

[@JacobSnell1998]

On the topic of ecumenism, it must be understood that there is a proper form of ecumenical relations. When we see Pope Paul VI with Athenagoras, Patriarch of Constantinople it is a clear expression that although Catholicism is the one true religion we can have good relations with our ancient brethren in Christ our God; the Orthodox Church. It is when it goes beyond good relations and working to support the common good and becomes making it sound as if all religions are equal that it is doctrinally false.

[@cardboardcapeii4286]

Previous popes condemned being with unbelievers a divinis which means in religions matters because other religions are totally false

[@GodFamilyCountryCorp]

Truth and wisdom is one of your fine points.

[@ceureinsussannaemmanuel8425]

Thank God for the SSPX, Thanks to GOD for Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and all the SSPX PRIEST!! WITHOUT them, we would LOST into modernism!!

[@davidfigueroa8188]

Sutha sussanna emmanuel You rad trads are something else.

[@ceureinsussannaemmanuel8425]

@@davidfigueroa8188 somethings else of what??? And WHO ARE YOU HERE TO JUDGE!!!!

[@davidfigueroa8188]

Sutha sussanna emmanuel Something other than Catholic. And funny considering the fact that you people spend your whole lives judging the anybody who disagrees with you the slightest bit on theology.

[@ceureinsussannaemmanuel8425]

@@davidfigueroa8188 slightest?? Of course the SSPX holds to HOLY Catholic and apostolic tradition for 2000 years something that Vatican 2 are completely FAILED! Vatican 2 and their absolute Council's Of Heresy which is Ecumenism they bound to??? Slightest theology, well why NOT you show over yourself of how depth you are with your Council of Heresy and Evil of Second Vatican Council's! A council's that FAILED to keep tradition of 2000 years and YET still claiming as " Catholics"??!!

[@davidfigueroa8188]

Sutha sussanna emmanuel If you don’t accept Vatican II as you would any other Ecumenical Council, you are not Catholic. You don’t have to accept what has happened since, but if you would bother to look into this at all, you would realize that all of this modernism is AGAINST Vatican II.

[@Joelwee1028]

There are many other major differences between the two Masses besides the Latin, including the basic ideas behind them. The Tridentine (Latin) Mass is meant to be a non-bloody sacrifice, in which Our Lord sacrifices Himself for us in the Holy Eucharist. The Novus Ordo Mass is meant to be a meal, or a community gathering. In addition, in the Novus Ordo, many prayers were rewritten or completely removed; the priest uses plastic or cheaper metals for the chalice, instead of gold; the list goes on.

[@Sunshine-em9nr]

This is so relevant today with the new Moto Proprio. If it wasn't for SSPX there would be no latin Mass and there may only be the SSPX in a very short time. Praise the Lord.

[@pj100003]

That is an absolutely fascinating comment from Archbishop Lefebrve regarding Cardinal Ratzinger/Pope Benedict! He was a very insightful man, never missed a beat. It fits the current Pope to a 'T'.

[@SeanCosaint1]

There is a reason why this is happening under Benedict, and it is his personal movement to reconcile. Here's Abp Lefebrve in 1987: "I had also placed some hope in Cardinal Ratzinger, who also seemed well disposed and was alarmed about the degradation of the Church, although unwilling to recognize the causes and to do away with them." Ratzinger's been involved since the 80s. Now that he's the Head, he can do what couldn't be done because of power politics and "going down with the ship" mentality.

[@Millieardo]

The society shouldn't care what other bishops think. I as a lay person want the society to be recognized. I'm not associated with the society, but their return would be welcomed by a large numer of laity looking for the truths of the faith, and thats all that should really matter.

[@francoiscombelles527]

Bravo Monsieur l'abbé Monnier

[@silvermystic2001]

I love the Mass at the SSPX chapel I've been to a couple times, though I've not been back because it's not in communion. I'm thrilled that they are trying to go back in with Rome. Not too sure about everything people have said. I just became Catholic this Easter and the modern catholic church has good parts that I like in it but it has spots I don't care for I see what I just left out of Protestantism and it's very controversial to talk about so I tend to just ignore it and try to deal with what I don't like lol. Any who, the first time I went to a Latin Mass it was interesting, I was totally confused and lost but it was so beautiful, first time veiling as well. There is a line I have to put with the some deny the pope, I don't agree with sedevacantism. I do wonder about the Pope though just I don't deny him, maybe it's only certain people I have no idea. I do not like how vatican 2 people think sspx is horrible, they are more than likely told that from people that don't know what it is. I mean I don't even know what it is but if it's thte Mass that was before Vatican 2.. how the spirit is there. Maybe others the spirit is in vatican 2 but I just didn't like a lot of protestant features it has in it... ok this isn't supposed to be a rant ahhaha >.>

[@richardsellsaz6865]

You can look up Latin Mass near you.The FSSP does the same exact Latin Mass and is in full union with Rome.I am a Byzantine Catholic and you can also look up and see if there are any eastern catholic Churches near you. "And if you ever are visiting in cities,do not inquire simply where the house of the Lord is--for others,sects of the impious,attempt to call their dens 'houses of the Lord'--nor ask merely where the Church is,but where is the Catholic Church.For this is the name peculiar to this holy Church,the mother of us all,which is the spouse of our Lord Jesus Christ,the only-begotten Son of God." - St. Cyril of Jerusalem, 350 A.D.

[@joanmaltman9580]

The Church of England cane about because Henry VIII wanted a new wife, the Lutheran Church because Martin wanted to marry a nun. The current strife caused largely by sexual abuse. The devil knows man's greatest weakness and he uses to his advantage. There is only one way to fight this evil, Prayer and Penance, and if everybody spent the upcoming Lent to make one small sacrifice we could contribute to his downfall.

[@cardboardcapeii4286]

Sspx is in union with Rome

[@captainbozo9]

The SSPX and the Vatican have had discussions regarding Vatican II and what is doctrine vs what can be legitimately left for discussion. The SSPX has long stated disagreement with some of the statements of VII as being out of line with tradition and the process affirmed their legitimate right to dissent from certain statements of the council.

[@mattmccarthy4224]

Will be here when Rome comes to its senses

[@fschutt247]

In 1960, Germany ordained 500 priests per year, in 2023 they ordained 33 priests. Know them by their fruits. The Novus Ordo is a short-lived boomer project that will die out in about 30 - 40 years. I only feel sorry for anyone who never found the SSPX because back then no internet existed. Other than that, Vatican II was great at separating the normie Catholics from the hardcore ones. Ironically, it's a lot easier now to connect among actual Catholic people than if everyone is "culturally Catholic but not practicing".

[@GodFamilyCountryCorp]

Great post.

[@CELIBERICO]

I really hope they come back....WE NEED them back. after all these scandals.....after attending the extraordinary Rite I was truly moved. as a matter of fact Id rather attend ER than the NO.

[@tessaben1211]

Is is NOT. The extraordinary it's the CATHOLIC MASS.

[@arbiterveritatis1063]

Canon 13, session 7, refers, as the context shows, to pastors administering the Sacraments. It constrains them to follow what has been canonically established by the competent authority, that is the official Latin rite as promulgated by the Supreme Pontiff. . Often priests were altering the Roman rite according to their local customs in the15th and 16th century . Trent teaches that the Pope has power over the "accidents", but not the substance of the Sacraments. See D856,931,943,946.

[@garciadelacadena]

It's an error to look the recognition from somebody that's out of the Catholic Church, Assisi III happened a few months ago and I don't see how the society of SSPX (or any Catholic) can reconcile with somebody who openly accepts false religions.

[@louellacentina89]

Be its God will to guide this society of St.Pius X to led into a right path those who astrayed by setting a good example thru the solemnity of the holy mass in latin.which eberyone young and old misses

[@hisagishuuhei5081]

Faith is greater than obedience! Therefore, if obedience acts to harm the Faith, then Catholic has a duty not to obey his superior. "Now sometimes the things commanded by a superior are against God, therefore superiors are not to be obeyed in all things." (St Thomas Aquinas, Doctor of the Church, Summa Theologica, II-II, Q.104

[@GodFamilyCountryCorp]

Great reply.

[@lego-qc5lw]

Is there a part 1 of this on youtube?

[@michaelciccone2194]

How many of these seminarians are still SSPX or remained in the priesthood?

[@denisehand2219]

SSPX, the salvation of tradition in the Catholic church.

[@warrenermish1454]

They are schismatic and they’ve been offered in an olive branch so many times and yet they refuse. I wish them well, but do not tell people that you are in communion with Rome, because you were not

[@arbiterveritatis1063]

The First Vatican Council states that the Pope has power over the "accidents" of the Sacraments, not the "substance". The new mass is a total deconstruction of the Mass inherited from over 1500 years of careful, "accidental changes". Those changes REINFORCED the doctrinal nature of the Eucharistic celebration, did not subvert them. That is one of the disturbing aspects of the new mass: can you really argue it supports and advances understanding of what the Mass truly is?

[@SuperScarrow]

You may think it sounds like that I am attacking the SSPX, which I am not. In fact, I am glad that they are here to keep Catholicism alive, but, there is also nothing wrong with Vatican 2, just the modernists who do evils through this council, even though the council never promoted those ideas.

[@garciadelacadena]

There's no comparison to that specific episode in the Passion of our Lord, you need to look at the history of the Church to understand the current situation;

[@jbenne874]

No it's trying to agree to a Preamble recognizing their right to keep the Latin Mass and all their rituals and traditions in place without conforming to Vatican II. Basically like their own Ordinary with their own Bishop and their own Canonical rights, but still in union with the Church... it's kind of hard to explain really, but that's the gist of it.

[@arbiterveritatis1063]

Placet! Our Faith has an infallible objective content that even a reigning Pontiff cannot alter or or dismiss. It has an immutable core which transcends human authority.

[@villiestephanov984]

Arbiter Veritatis :?¿?

[@arbiterveritatis1063]

The "new mass" is not "illicit" if you regard Paul VI as a true Pope. The Novus Ordo was promulgated by the Pope, who has authority to alter the "accidents" of the Sacraments, though not their "substance"--he cannot change the meaning. If you believe the new mass to be valid, in any sense of the word, you implicitly accept it as "licit". If it is valid, then there is nothing in it that detracts from the intrinsic meaning and effect of the Sacrament. The Pope has power to change mere externals.

[@AdversusHaereses]

St Peter denied Our Lord 3 times, he didn't lose his office as Pope.

[@lilianefoglia6118]

La vraie vérité tout restauré ds le christ voilà où nous devons aller pr nous sauver de ce monde libéral

[@GodFamilyCountryCorp]

Spoken like a true liberal modernist.

[@coachchris548]

One,Holy,Catholic, Apostlic Church, anything outside of these 4 marks are heretical

[@FreedomsNurse]

Descent from Abraham was proved, not by name and lineage, but by likeness of character. So the apostolic succession rests not upon the transmission of ecclesiastical authority, but upon spiritual relationship. A life actuated by the apostles’ spirit, the belief and teaching of the truth they taught, this is the true evidence of apostolic succession. This is what constitutes men the successors of the first teachers of the gospel.

[@arbiterveritatis1063]

The canons of the Council of Constance restricting the powers of the Primacy,--- "Sacrosancta" and "Frequens",--- never received Papal ratification precisely because they infringed upon the dogmatically established rights of the Papacy. Therefore they were never legally valid. The Pope cannot be compelled to have councils every five years or abandon his authority to guard and regulate the rites of the Universal Church. Are you a "conciliarist"?

[@arbiterveritatis1063]

Precisely. HE, Pope Saint Pius V, in Quo Primum was "grandfathering in" the various non-Roman rites used by some of the Religious Orders, such as the Dominican and Carthusian,,in which differences of externals or "accidents" were present. Everyone else in the Latin rite had to use the reformed rite HE promulgated. Does this bind a future Pope? How?. Further, Pistoia was an attempt to assert episcopal power in contempt of the rights of the See of Peter.

[@arbiterveritatis1063]

Auctorum fidei, 33 is clearly condemning a negative CRITIQUE of the Roman rite at that time. The "reformers" were asserting that the Roman rite was somehow defective, a corruption of some primitive form which had been superceded. I see no assertion that a future Pope could not alter the externals or "accidents" of the rite. I see no limitation here on Papal authority as supreme arbiter of liturgy.. That would be a "novelty." Pope St. Pius V was not a "sui generis" "super Pope."

[@CELIBERICO]

Vatican II happened for a reason. If these guys wanted to rebel and in their pride remain away from the Church thats their position if they want to come back...well we are happy to have you back. Its obvious the Church needs this form of the Mass back....ASAP.

[@arbiterveritatis1063]

I agree with you wholeheartely about one point: if the Pope is a valid pope, the notion of "supplied jurisdiction" in the context used by SSPX apologists, is absurd. Supplied jurisdiction is meant to apply to a priest in union with Rome, under the hierarchy in some sense, exercizing his ministry in adiocese, etc., where he is not incardinated. He sees a man dying by the road who wants absolution, he gives it.Ecclesia supplet. Period.

[@tradne85]

That's not necessarily true. In fact, those with that many kids probably aren't. As for the teaching of birth control, the Church has always taught that artificial birth control is a sin. Use of a method called Natural Family Planning is tolerated under a very narrow set of circumstances. For the most part, the SSPX brother was correct.

[@sedevacantist1]

Pedro Arbues claims Saint Pius V reformed the rite of mass. For a modernists like Pedro, words mean what they need them to mean. In this case, to justify the Novus Ordo, Pedro claims Saint Pius V reformed the mass. To reform something is to remove errors or add what is lacking. Tell us, Pedro, what did Saint Pius V reform? Did he remove any errors? Did he add what was missing? Did Saint Pius V add something new? Tell me Pedro was the changes meant to unify or diversify? Were the changes even changes or were they the removal of changes? As Protestants believes they reformed Catholicism, your ecumenism Pedro and that of Anti-pope Paul VI reformed the Tridentine mass into the Novus Ordo mass thereby unifying Protestantism and Catholicism? You are now a part of the reformation Pedro. God doesn’t change and neither did Saint Pius V reform the Mass.

[@arbiterveritatis1063]

Any manual of liturgical history will inform you that before the Council of Trent, in the actual celebration of the Mass in France and other countries, abuses, deformations, unauthorized interpolations had occurred. This is why Pope St. Pius V insisted on all priests universally following the editio typica as set forth by Rome after the Council and promulgated by Pius. this explains much of the language of "Quo Primum." The only exception to following the Roman rite were the ancient rites of the Carthusians, Dominicans, etc., which were "grandfathered in" and permitted. Nota bene: as one who subscribes to the "sede vacante" thesis, I hardly am a defender of the Novus Ordo Missae! Hilarious!

[@sedevacantist1]

The only thing missing from your statement dear sir is an example of Pius V reforming the mass. What did he change? All the pope did was to write it down for those that were not in sync. I can fill this page with outright changes made in the invalid Novus Ordo mass which cannot be shown to have any other reason than to make it more protestant and less Catholic. For forty years the Novus Ordo mass had an invalid consecration with the words for all instead of for many. There is an infinite difference between the words many and all, besides the fact our Lord said many. You provide no argument; you provide no proof that the Mass was changed by Pope Pius V. Your argument is a long standing defense by the modernist’s invention of the Novus Ordo mass. The argument goes like this: If Pius V can change the Mass then Paul VI can also. You claim that you are not a defender of the Novus Ordo mass, yet here you are defending it.

[@sedevacantist1]

pedro arbues Although you deleted your reply message to me I must comment on it. You are mistaken when you write I channel your thoughts through my own obsessions. You are illogical when you write; quote “The celebration of the Mass had been corrupted in many regions, hence the need for reform, or restoration.” Your statement is not logical from the perspective of those people that had corrupted their liturgy; the mass was not reformed but their deformity removed. An honest person would not call that a reformation of the mass because the mass itself as a universal rite was not reformed. Paul VI created a new rite, a new order of worship which reflected a new theology. Your notion a pope has the authority to make the changes that Paul VI did is an error. So you see, I put you on the spot with your statement, quote “I hardly am a defender of the Novus Ordo Missae!” If you are not defending it, then I would like to know what exactly you are doing.

[@arbiterveritatis1063]

sedevacantist1 Ceterum censeo: you don't really READ what people write. You interpret in accordance with your prejudices. I never said a Pope had the authority to make the changes that Paul VI made to the Mass. Those changes, at least in their doctrinal elements, I regard as "substantial", and therefore outside the limits of his authority. This is why, among other reasons, I refuse to reognize Paul as a valid occupant of the See of Rome. But that being said, any second year seminarian would realize that what we call the Traditional Mass, as codified by Pius V, had a "history", had undergone development. There were many additions to the Mass all through the early and late Middle Ages; many importations of Gallican forms, such as the Offertory. These alterations were "accidental", and so totally within the competence of the Supreme Pontiff to make. Contra factum non valet argumentum.

[@sedevacantist1]

Thank you for taking the time to clarify your position. I apologize if I have written something inappropriate.

[@whiskerchild]

I am troubled by this SSPX. A recent video put out by a Brother of SSPX said birth control, whether natural or artificial, is a mortal sin. I know if a woman uses NO birth control, from ages 18 to 48, roughly, she will have 12 to 18 live births. That would DESTROY a woman physically and mentally!! If you see a couple with 6 kids- yes, they're using birth control. Can the Church really want this for women?

[@redneckpride4ever]

Actually, this is not strictly an SSPX position, it is the position of Pope Paul VI, the Pope cited as the one who wrecked the liturgy by many trads. The Church (as well as an SSPX priest I spoke with) favor NFP...basically sexual relations based on menstruation, temperatures and such that is legitimately (backed up by a science article I read) about 97% effective. As for the sheer number of births and ravaging health...fact is that the church allows, for example, tube tying in a situation where there is a bona fide risk to a woman's health/life. I suppose an SSPX priest might be less likely to support that view, I'll certainly concede that.

[@mongoose1628]

FSSP aid better

[@lyn1136]

I don't either. The Lefebvre priests everywhere agree with you, the people do, "poor us," said miliajesu. Yes. We say it, too. Don't do it SSPX! Don't. Many souls will be lost from their Holy Trent Sacraments. Traditional Catholics of Trento.

[@BujangMelaka90]

Vatican II is pastoral.

[@lordjesuschristhavemercyon3251]

No, it was dogmatic, as Paul VI signed every document as if it were to be seen as dogmatic with the proper formula of a dogmatic council.

[@arbiterveritatis1063]

Are you saying--- one should be clear--that the Novus Ordo Missae promulgated by the Paul VI is invalid through a defect of form or intrinsically heretical in its representation of the dogmatic nature of the Mass? If so, how could a true reigning Supreme Pontiff give invalid and heretically "tainted" Sacramental rites? That position imperils Papal Infallibility and the indefectability of the Church.

[@jeannestark6293]

Don’t find this in the new mass? Maybe there’s just too much introspection and not enough relationship with God.I can’t up in the morning and it’s like actual conversation that doesn’t have a script to it because the day will never have a script to it you always see something different in the day because God is always creating and the day is always being created it’s not some script that you can follow

[@tomkelly9841]

Lefebvre was in open revolt against two Popes Paul VI and John Paul II.

[@deybalingit4719]

Tom Kelly they are Judas Iscariot betrayed Christ

[@ceureinsussannaemmanuel8425]

@@deybalingit4719 if you say a Judas Iscariot, then why (SSPX) they're still holds to 2000 years of TRADITION compares the council you've attend??? Your a plain modernist of Novus ordo created by Pope Paul 6 with his six protestant ministers that betrays the 2000 years of Catholic teaching, Theology and the doctrine!! U guys the Authentic Judas Iscariot of the Catholic church all because NEVER keep the authentic 2000 years of TRADITION of Catholic faith instead condemning a plain lie about SSPX.

[@deybalingit4719]

@@ceureinsussannaemmanuel8425 is Latin Mass understand the faithful catholic for the new generation? SSPX is a betrayal of the catholic church

[@ceureinsussannaemmanuel8425]

@@deybalingit4719 these days, the Traditional Catholics ( SSPX ) has translation for LATIN for English, we HAVE Latin and English translation!! Ur say about SSPX is betrayal to the church but sadly MODERNIST like U from the current ROTTEN council's of Vatican 2 is the huge betrayal to the Catholic tradition of 2000 years!! SSPX remained to 2000 years of Catholic teaching theology and the Doctrine of the church!! We're faithful to Council of Trent, Council's of york, Council's that NEVER betrays the church tradition or going against it!!! Your Vatican 2 council of ecumenism is the ERROR that spread like untreatable CANCER throughout the church, she's the MOTHER and bride of Christ!! Let me quote about your council of Vatican 2, from the ancient Catholic theology book of Paralipomenon II 19: 2, has mentioned about your Vatican 2 and that is " YOU HELP THE UNGODLY AND YOU'RE JOINED IN FRIENDSHIP WITH THOSE WHO HATE THE LORD, AND THEREFORE YOU DID INDEED DESERVE THE WRATH OF THE LORD". Now whose is who the Betrayal of the CHURCH!!! Definitely is the VATICAN 2 ROTTEN BETRAYAL ECUMENISM BUT NOT the SSPX!! Get over it dude!!

[@isaiahfootnote8534]

We see clearly now that the the foolishness of the novus ordo has led to nothing more than near empty churches. The novus ordo is not about worship but about the continual pandering to the shallow whims of the infantile and transient cultural neuroses. The mass is not about fatuously and usually irreverently sharing a meal around a table. The mass is sacrifice.

[@davidfigueroa8188]

Isaiah Footnote Near empty Churches? What? When I went to the Novus Ordo it was always packed dude

[@umaara100]

I understand.I love the latin mass but lets not returen to being anti jewish.I hope you agree.

[@edithfox5946]

GOD

[@arbiterveritatis1063]

This is ot a matter of felonious and debauched priests. They have always been wih us, and will be in the future. The human side of the Church is fallible. This isn't even, ultimately, a matter of Latin. I know many think that Latin is the be all and end all of the resistence to Vat II. It is matter of the methodical subversion of the doctrinal meaning of the Mass and the validiy of the form. Everything else may be impious, but not material to the debate.

[@Schweizerprincess]

You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make idols. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Honor your father and your mother. You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. You shall not covet. God has no Religion..You are blessed enough if God is in your Heart,and you are afraiding to do his 10 commandments,no need to bash and giving some negative comment about what we believe and which Church or Religion is Right. All you need is to believe in God not with the People,and if you are happy,bless and contented everytime the mass is over,then go on the Church that you are Choosing,is the church where God holy spirit is there. True God leader never questioning the others believing or other Church,sad to say that our faith and believed are defend only by the Church and religion. This earth will be fade away,but His words will still remain. God bless us all,hope we can give a little offer to Him in this Fasting time.

[@sarahok4197]

*Gods

[@renefraters8780]

Where is bishop Williamson? He has some interesting notions about the jews... And the friendship of archbishop Lefebvre with the dictator Videla in Argentina. Let him tell us about it. That will put everything in perspective! Hahaha...

[@sedevacantist1]

Never mind where bishop Williamson is, where are you? What are your notions of the Jews? Are they the enemy of Jesus Christ as taught by the Gospels? Are they our elder brother taught by apostate Rome? Is the old covenant is still valid as taught by the apostate Anti-pope Francis? Do you wish to discuss the tsunami of heresy and outright freemasonic doctrine pouring out of apostate Rome? I am not here to defend any man but Jesus and His truth against heretics like you. So if you’re man enough, then start pecking at your keyboard because you need a good lesson in Catholic truth.

[@krystynamikorska300]

Laudetut Jesus Christus.

[@marcelstephens8683]

Me

[@GodFamilyCountryCorp]

Then act like a Catholic

[@whiskerchild]

But did you have 12 to 18 children? Secondly, I think the Brother said that abstinence is also a mortal sin. You are saying that this isn't so?

[@jeannestark6293]

I am responding in 2020.what are you guys hope to really accomplished year? Take a good look around nobody is doing this.do you think you’re better than everyone else? I’ve got questions for you you probably don’t want to have answers but let’s talk. I’m 56 years old I was bateaux probably 11 I remember mumbo-jumbo up until when I was three so you do the maths I remember when the new mass but remember I couldn’t see over the big people so that’s my memory of Latin Mass. I like that we can relate to each other because God is in us we need to be able to love each other and not have a backs to the wall

[@javaman8895]

It’s not about you.

[@krecikowi]

Everything great... except you need to obey Pope and in general Church Teaching. BTW. Novus Ordo Mass in 100% licit, Church told me.

[@EvocatusX]

+krecikowi No, we need to be obey Jesus and the Catholic Faith! the very Faith Jesus gave to us! The Novus Ordo is illict by Quo Primum and 7th Session of the Council of Trent.

[@jupiterinaries6150]

SODMGx disobedience to the Church is the start of Her breakdown.

[@silvermystic2001]

That's the only thing I didn't understand from sspx and sspv that they deny the church(well to what they don't understand) and pope. So if they don't believe in that, then they don't believe in bishops, priests being consecrated because that's the church the apostolic succession they don't believe only certain people up until 1950's. I don't get it, it's sad too. I believe Jesus with all my heart. I stopped going to prots church because they don't have anything and it's too modernized for me and some parts are with the vatican 2 english parts that I've seen. vatican 2 latin mass I've yet to see and be apart of, I hope it's similar to what I've seen with sspx chapel if not then I'll wonder why. Fssp is too far of a drive to go, sadly.

[@Carlos-vg8cr]

In bula Quo Primum Tempore, Pope Pius V solemnly defined that the Tridentine Mass should be eternal and, unfortunately, few Catholics know today this is a valid dogma in Catholic Church. Being a dogma, it binds all priests and all Popes. Based on this 500 years old dogma, the Novus Ordo "masonic" Mass is invalid. Sadly, many Catholics ignore the explicit warnings of Our Lady of La Salette, and of Our Lady of Fátima, and of Our Lady of Garabandal (not approved), and of Our Lady of Akita... All of them warned us about the great apostasy that would come to the world and start from the top of the Catholic Church (!). It's also worth noting that Marie-Julie Jahenny (1850-1941), an important Catholic mystic, also received warnings about the liturgical changes that would disgrace Mass. It seems to me quite obvious she was talking about Vatican II (1960).

[@edwardjamieson5209]

Archbishop Lefebvre said your mass was valid but it is not beautiful and people have left the church in their and souls lost Pre Vatican 2 70% mass attendance now down to less than 9% Perhaps you should have a rethink!!!

[@edithfox5946]

What truth with falsehood vatican2 new gospel MAN replaces GOF

[@jocelynyared2150]

There is no question the TLM is THE most beautiful Mass ... But one must not reject the less endowed, humble, late-comer rite made for the simple so long as it is reverential. Forgive the stealth through which it was made. The Ban of the TLM, though is unforgivable. Do not make the same mistake.

[@GrandMasterFreshMpls]

Anecdotal evidence is the weakest kind.

[@SuperScarrow]

thank you, but I would rather stay with rome, because only rome can fix it! God bless you and may you pray for us

[@tessaben1211]

Rome has lost the faith.

[@emilioramirez6116]

Cismatics

[@deybalingit4719]

SSPX is Judas Iscariot the betrayal of the church...

[@dudeplaysgames5732]

We didn't betrayed the church, it was the church who betrayed us.

[@vdsantos11]

Ha ha ha ha

[@100-w8u]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@levi199120]

No, Romes just being reasonable

[@lollytrolly5123]

They hate christian. They hate FSSPX. Easy and logic.

[@jupiterinaries6150]

thank God for Vatican Two...

[@aaceve1]

Schismatics

[@richardsellsaz6865]

They are technically not considered schismatics by the Catholic Church.they are in an imperfect union right now.Somebody can attend a Latin Mass by the FSSP if they want the Traditional Mass AND be in full union with the Apostolic See of Rome.

[@davidbegnotea640]

A society of close minded people should I say!

[@javaman8895]

Narrow is the road….

[@jupiterinaries6150]

God I hope these old masses do not take over. I love African cultural masses with all the singing, dancing, and drumming.

[@NorthIndochina]

Sometimes I can't tell if people are serious or not. I hope you are not

[@dudeplaysgames5732]

singing, dancing, and drumming are the many examples of "liturgical abuse"

[@isaiahfootnote8534]

If you desire a cultural performance then go and attend a festival, but don't pretend that your watching of dancing and drumming has anything to do with worship.

[@rscottlogan9471]

OMG

[@BujangMelaka90]

Stupid

[@sedisvakantistnrw9090]

Pseudo's Traditionalisten

[@GodFamilyCountryCorp]

Great reply.