Part 3 - Where to next: Road to the Presidency

[@ConsciousCaracal]

Orania proves that there is profound freedom in communities taking back as many responsibilities as they can and not waiting for handouts.

[@smartisaac8642]

@@ConsciousCaracal it proves nothing

[@JamesOrr-v5g]

Orania does get handouts from the Flemish people in Belgium and the South Tyrol people in Italy.

[@LollyClarke]

I love Orania, it's so clean, no security, no begging, just the way life suppose to be

[@NtandoMaphosa-zn1kh]

Go there then

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

Weak people fear when others people start making good life .

[@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub]

This is so true. Losers are always jealous of successful people and do their best to drag them down.

[@jameskillu9171]

If ORANIA is allowed, KZN can convert to ZULU state, to preserve their culture, have own currency, banks, powergrid, port,

[@zanulabuschagne4826]

Whats stopping you? Vote for someone that will do that.

[@globalinsightuk]

They can already do all of those things? None of that is anything special to Orania, they’re just the only ones that have actually gone and done it.

[@isaacseleteng8472]

What is so special about Zulu nation? You not the first one to suggest this, but it will happen in your dream land or kindergarten

[@lm_b5080]

ingoyama land already belongs to the zulu nation. it should be the powerhouse of south africa

[@AndrewMcFarlane_1]

Where are the designs of this utopia you talk about? I can point you in the direction of Pyongyang, they have a wonderful model... haha

[@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub]

Imagine if the whole of Africa was as well run as Orania.

[@JamesOrr-v5g]

its possible look at Oprah Winfrey a billionaire who started with nothing

[@mosesmabele1255]

What's stopping the rest of the country from organizing itself like Orania?

[@marvingalane2908]

Unity is what the south African community is still lacking bt we are learning

[@JamesOrr-v5g]

@@marvingalane2908 ask the black middle class in the USA and people like Oprah Winfrey for help the way Orania asks for donations from people in Europe.

[@keneuwematekane1497]

Appaluds them they smart 🎉🎉🎉

[@LollyClarke]

Afrikaaners work hard and are very God fearing, they dont wait for handouts

[@Ginger4789]

They don’t bother anyone leave them alone 😢😢😢

[@keneuwematekane1497]

Exactly 🎉🎉they live in peace

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

Weak people can ot fix their own problems strong people fix their problems not blame others ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@hamish4659]

I wish we had this in Australia

[@antonhuman8446]

With sufficient mutual respect. And understanding. Will. The new South Africa. Thrive. Although. Sadly. Is it a rare commodity. In many respects!

[@kipronosangpaul5229]

I agree with Orania. Everyone should keep her culture, Language to continue many generations, this also agree with nature.( After the Tower of Ba bel peoples was given different Languages, cultures, lands and that cannot be broken)!

[@ByteBattles-xt9tw]

bro the first phase is okay but don't include mythology please be scientific

[@kipronosangpaul5229]

​@@ByteBattles-xt9twDon't you know that sciences has brought more harm in this world than good at the present?!! The more we turn a blind eye to scriptures the more problems!!! That's a fact!

[@marvel1978]

I really hope this is successful. Maybe others can follow by example.

[@smartisaac8642]

The should go to Europe and preserve their culture

[@vinny.morales]

Salty

[@jhonjhonson5787]

Will all Africans in Europe go back to African too?

[@NoVisionGuy]

They're fair skinned, but they don't align themselves as Europeans in overall culture. Their ancestors were there since the 1600s

[@charmainemoodley2414]

They have to take responsibility for themselves because they are a private property not a state.

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

You see the people when no one help.them but they have strong beliefs in help you self before government helps you,

[@sandzz1nce]

This current government if I was one of de Afrikaaners in SA, I wouldn't wanna do business with them too 😢 no determination & zeal to benefit it's citizens... look at our borders- a lot of ppl within SA have no relevant paperwork & Nigerians be all over the country dealing with their drugs & as such SA is just becoming a banana state.

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

People who do not love themselves or do not have confidence the user obesstion with others community or obesstion with race

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

During Jeasu jealous people want to claim Jeasu work is their work

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

Weak people most choose bad government which .take the dignity a way by lack of service delivery

[@zuzemoyo7696]

CAN other people make their own ORANIA.????

[@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub]

Nothing stopping them except that you have to work hard and not steal. That automatically exclude 3/4 of South Africans.

[@vinny.morales]

You can. Who stops you?

[@HWFrancois]

This is a disgrace to South Africa. What happens to Orania when africa becomes united under one's governance?

[@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub]

We'll worry about that when it happens in 2424.

[@mrmusanda3576]

That will never happen, grow up

[@esahm373]

About the Limpopo example: What is the government supposed to do if kids are starting to have babies at 14 years? This is a clear failure of the parents and community, not of the government! You failed to educate the children about sex and its consequences. Now, what are most of these unplanned babies going to be once they have grown up? They are going to be unemployed citizens once again blaming the government. Unplanned babies born into impoverished conditions = future unemployed citizens. Most high GDP countries have a low birth rate, most poor countries have a high birth rate. Think about that for a minute!

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

Weak people are most complaining even if the get sick the blames others

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

State learn from other so they can show you how to provide drinking to citizens

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

People can not clean their own house are very raist and anger and jealous to see others are organizing and them defunction.

[@NicoleneTsogang]

Do people think about what will happen after 70+ years when orania is huge and backed by western powers , when they start to want more land , another Israel and Palestin, this time in Africa

[@153tidesthatbind]

Woah, I've never thought about it that way

[@lm_b5080]

these guys are stuck in the northern cape where no one wants to live. they won't bother anyone

[@georgephutsisi8838]

@@lm_b5080 never say never. I reckon more ambitious people will emerge from orania and western oppressor will back them.

[@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub]

The Afrikaner community is about 3 million yet after 30 years of existence , Orania is a town of 2000 . What makes you think that it's going to grow much bigger ? If SA was in good shape the town would be even smaller. I really don't blame people for wanting to move to a place where everyone is employed with no crime and everything functions properly.

[@ConsciousCaracal]

That's just "wit gevaar" fearmongering. You clearly don't understand Orania's ideals and philosophy. Ask yourself why they banned exploiting cheap black labour in their town.

[@LollyClarke]

If only KZN looked like Orania, I'm not white but mann only a white man can do it, no offense only true

[@kazer353]

Can black do this in Europe

[@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub]

Do you mean create a crime free . well maintained community with everyone in it a hardworker ? Probably not.

[@tumelo7898]

Remember that crime was created by oppressors by empowering themselves while starving blacks .. now blacks can't create anything because power and means were taking from them long time ago.. Now blacks are suffering from black tax... Every black child has to first build a house for his mother before doing anything else, whites are born with jobs already in place

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

Weak people alway compare their miserable life with others strong people fix their miserable life by working hard

[@Hrodwulf9]

Love Orania

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

Weak people can not see others people progress the think does people have to give them their progress

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

Weak people alway fear and the do not have confidence fir themselves and the obesstion with other .

[@Pierreebertsohn]

uh uh.....uhhh 🤣😂

[@Jitesh_Dayal]

ANC propaganda channel is in Orania.

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

Weak people claim every thing is their

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

Weak people do not have confidence for themselves that is why the want to live others

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

Weak people obesstion with others community and race because the are not confident to fix their own community

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

Weak people do not have confidence for themselves

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

Weak people away obesstion with others people progress because jealous can not make the rest

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

For weak people to fix their community the wost time obesstion and racist remarks against others

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

Weak people mosty thinking about valiant stealing not about building

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

Weak people away talk negative about other people and the things is them is good.

[@afroisme5750]

....the fruits of the ANC; Orania...here comes another Lesotho in the heart of South Africa...how can a Government allow this nonsense!!!...

[@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub]

Are you scared of 2 000 successful , law abiding ,peaceful , taxpaying citizens ?

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

Weak people alway compare state fixing

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

Weak people alway went to take others people things by creating like against others.

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

People who are weak the using compare community state acting by fixing

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

Weak people will seat in chairs critics other state fixing they community

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

Weak people alway things they are victims

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

Weak people alway obesstion other people progress and the claim is their progress even is not their progress

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

Weak people have little bit of mental issues that is why the want to take others people progress

[@MamaMama-kq1fx]

Weak people the alway think people the do not like them

[@Hrodwulf9]

Dutch descendant Boers have a lot in common with Israel, we are the Israelites of Africa. Therefore we should carve out our nation here just like Israel has done in their promised land

[@esahm373]

Orania has a right to exist! But not in South Africa! In fact: not even in the modern day Netherlands would such a ethnically exclusive gated settlement be legally acceptable. Yet, as South Africans we are supposed to accept this Cape Dutch exclave? No! And can we please stop referring to Cape Dutch Boere as "Afrikaners" (= Africans)? It's a cultural and identity appropriation!

[@lm_b5080]

remember afrikaners were put in concentration camps by the british. penuel had a great interview with this guy. they're preserving their culture and building ties with other black traditional communities. their argument is south africa's economy was built on exploitation of black labour - to build an inclusive community you must work for yourself and not abuse anyone for cheap labour

[@globalinsightuk]

Afrikaners are not Dutch, they have a distinct language and culture and also it’s a unique mix of Dutch, French and German ethnicities. It would be like saying white Argentines are just Spanish. And to be clear it isn’t a gated settlement, there are no gates, walls or checkpoints, it’s just a town. And it’s all private land so they have a right to an admissions process, it’s been challenged and upheld as constitutional in court. Different cultural groups have a right to self determination in South Africa and how else could they exercise that but through having an area where they are a majority. These guys deliberately picked a small, sparsely populated and highly undesirable part of the country. They aren’t bothering anyone, they pay their taxes.

[@LollyClarke]

I admire the afrikaaner, they just so different, Orania I love you❤

[@esahm373]

​@@globalinsightuk Thanks, but I'm well aware of "Afrikaners" cultural origins. I didn't say "Dutch", I said "Cape Dutch", which is a more appropriate term to describe the group wrongly referred to as "Afrikaners". "Afrikaner" means "African" in Dutch and other Germanic languages. If you say "Afrikaner" in German, Modern Dutch or any other current day Germanic language (except "Afrikaans"), you are literally referring to an indigenous African person! Hence, it's a form of identity stealing and cultural appropriation by the Cape Dutch s3ttlers! That in light of a history, where actual Afrikaners (= Black Africans) have been disenfranchised and denied their basic rights on South African soil. Seems problematic: you disenfranchise a people and then claim their identity as yours, to make you look more legitimate! I'm well aware that the Cape Dutch are not exclusively of Dutch origin, but also have a significant German and French Huguenot element, but due to their language, which is in essence a Dutch dialect (or more precise: a language that has developed from 17th century Dutch dialects spoken by the lower agrarian classes and differs from modern Dutch in the sense, that it's grammar and vocabulary lacks sophistication and granularity) they have maintained more cultural proximity to their Dutch cultural origins than to French or German culture. An admission process that selects tenants based on their "racial" background is not permissible within the confines of the South African constitution and laws! By the way: Most Argentinians have an Italian origin, unlike other Latin American countries with predominantly Spanish or Indigenous background population.

[@esahm373]

@@lm_b5080 What exactly is "their culture"? You mean a colonial Cape Dutch way of living that evolved from forceful occupation of South African territory by foreign settlers, who expanded the territory to disenfranchise the indigenous population and create an entity based on racial discrimination and bigotted beliefs? A culture that produced Apartheid, Baaskap, Vlakplaas, Project Coast and the Soweto 1976 massacre of school children? What kind of "culture" is that? If they don't identify as South Africans, then they are foreign and should be viewed as such.

[@blackrhythmrecords8691]

Racists

[@Antloo2009]

How

[@LollyClarke]

You jealous

[@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub]

Afrikaners comprise 0.2% of the worldwide white population. Please explain how they are racist ?