Part One: Let's Look at the Facebook Papers | BEHIND THE BASTARDS

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Part One: Let's Look at the Facebook Papers | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
Robert and Jamie Loftus sit down to discuss the massive, damning 'Facebook leaks'.
Original Air Date: November 16, 2021
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There’s a reason the History Channel has produced hundreds of documentaries about Hitler but only a few about Dwight D. Eisenhower. Bad guys (and gals) are eternally fascinating. Behind the Bastards dives in past the Cliffs Notes of the worst humans in history and exposes the bizarre realities of their lives. Listeners will learn about the young adult novels that helped Hitler form his monstrous ideology, the founder of Blackwater’s insane quest to build his own Air Force, the bizarre lives of the sons and daughters of dictators and Saddam Hussein’s side career as a trashy romance novelist.
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[@WikkedTwist]

Robert,Jamie and Sophie is an untouchable combination. Absolutely favorite BTB episodes.

[@92Audun]

Speaking of a little popup asking if you want to read the article before sharing, what would be cool is if: in the sharing post it told others that the poster didn't read it!

[@kombatwombat6579]

This podcast is a treasure. I sincerely don't understand how this comment can be visible and not buried under thousands of others.

[@shmehfleh3115]

As a huge fan of Re-Animator, I have to acknowledge that SA scene is very uncomfortable, and really takes the piss out of what was up until that point a very fun movie.

[@hrwise89]

What's weird to me as a 34 year old punk (who still hasn't seen Reanimator) is the way recommendations for that movie have changed over the years. 20 years ago, that SA scene was glorified as super fucked up, but a selling point none the less. Now if someone recommends the movie to me, that scene is still hilighted but it's given as a warning, and that the movie is good despite it. Definitely this is progress in my view. Don't know what my point is other than "how society has changed over the last 20 years as illustrated through recommendations for the movie Reanimator by punks and trashy cinema fans, which I myself still haven't seen."

[@CourtneySovitsaRobinson]

When Robert said “the spigot dried up” all I could think wasn’t “bigot spigot” and that’s what I’ll be calling right wing grifters from now on

[@RichardTerry]

Who would have thought that a key feature of facebook, that was originally designed to determine if your classmates were hot or not, was harmful.

[@bradvine4564]

Man I've never heard Robert so angry

[@ChewyThomson]

Reminder: one half of Diamond and Silk are dead. Happy Friday!

[@matt5726]

"Are things going to get happy?" - thats not what we do here...... lmao!

[@SesshyLover777]

Honestly the funniest thing for me is that I'm still a slack emote for an esports team I used to work on and that one CEO just HATES me 🤭

[@matt5726]

haters mean your doing something right! :P

[@cowbatboots282]

@@matt5726 meh, that's a 50\50 statement and my headphones just fell of because I sneezed too hard.

[@lisalefevre3]

Pin was also a novel, and one that I read way too young, then saw the movie also way too young. It explains how I ended up on Robert Evans' side of the internet as an adult.

[@jimihendricks5602]

So glad to not be the only one who watched that movie too young, damn random movies on in the afternoon. Unsettling is a word for it, like an attempt at a Hitchcockian tale but without the brevity. Some interesting looks at mental illness.

[@comfycat9]

That juicy content I crave. Like a tomato, but it’s a podcast instead.

[@origami_dream]

Every time i open one of these episodes and hear Robert go, "Ahhh... Jamie!" or some variation thereof i get *so* excited. Absolutely my favorite guest (besides perhaps Chelsea Manning but that's just because she's Chelsea Manning which isn't fair to people who are not Chelsea Manning). The chemistry is just perfect. It will be a grand, comedic, sad, infuriating, hilarious time.

[@TheDarthbinky]

Wait, Chelsea Manning was on an ep? Which one(s)?

[@origami_dream]

@@TheDarthbinky "How The U.S.A. Murdered Panama with Chelsea Manning" (parts one and two)

[@CynthiaMcG]

When I had my gall bladder removed, I told the surgeon not to give me any opioids. He didn't care what I requested, so he prescribed Tramadol on an IV drip. He also prescribed me additional pills. Tramadol literally turned me suicidal. Because of what Tramadol did to me, I was diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder: SSRI Onset. It's a diagnosis that's currently being debated within academic literature, but it's what makes sense to my psychiatrist at a specific (unnamed) hospital in California. Prozac and Paxil also messed up my brain chemistry. I won't go into the horrible details, but I wasn't mentally ill until I took SSRIs. I was going through a traumatic experience, but was diagnosed with depression. I'm not against psychiatry. This is the sad state of state-funded mental health services.

[@Irrlichtwinter]

Oh wow, I'm so sorry that healthcare provider did not respect your autonomy! and that it had consequences this horrible. The worst thing that ever happened to me on Tramadol was that I hallucinated I was in two different places in the room, and that alone was a nightmare experience. What a mess - especially if there is no adequate warning ahead of time of just how severe the side effects can be.

[@sunyavadin]

If they did that to me I would LITERALLY DIE. Some people are allergic to opioids, don't fucking give them to people if they tell you not to!

[@sempressfi]

Tramadol lowers the seizure threshold and also makes one way more at risk of serotonin sickness/poisoning (forget exactly what it's called right now, haven't had caffeine today lol). Even if you aren't on an SSRI already but especially if you are, tramadol is way riskier than ppl think and not once did any Dr, nurse, pharmD warn of it. While I was opposite and tried telling doc that tramadol not only doesn't work very well for me but also makes it feel like I can actually feel the synapses in my brain and it's like I'm being zapped with electricity, they refused to give me hydrocodone because, well, another group of victims of the opioid epidemic are those of us with chronic pain. One day I was in so much pain I took the dose they prescribed rather than half and got really effing sick. It's kind of insane how tramadol is seen as like, a safer, alternative I guess. But yeah, sounds like you've been through hell and as someone who has to deal with our healthcare system more than most, I empathize and hope you have found docs who are awesome. 💙💜

[@crumplepunch312]

Fun fact, Pin is voiced by Jonathan Banks, AKA Mike Ehrmantraut from Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul.

[@TreyaTheKobold]

41:00 I remember a group on FB that was about goofy dudes with swords that suddenly turned into radical pro-DPRK propaganda.

[@biertrang]

my lifelong best friend is a victim of facebook and alex jones. havent spoken with him in 3 years now. i spent 2 years trying to remain close but ultimately i failed.

[@liger04]

Okay, the end of this episode brought up a hell of a thought: what is your dream lobotomy? (From the context of this episode, "lobotomy" probably means "way to make a person unable to cause trouble or spread troublesome ideas", not your preferred way of having your frontal lobe destroyed) Mine would probably be confinement in a concentration camp surrounded by a 24/7 sniper coverage, but we're given frequent shipments of ingredients that would normally wind up in Michelin-star restaurants. More than enough to feed everyone and a huge variety, but no chef. Anyone can prepare whatever food they want as long as they only use their ration of the food (basically a percentage of the total shipment, measured by mass). You can give your rations to another person to prepare, but they must give back the prepared food before leaving the kitchen. After a while the mixing pot of cultural recipes would produce some incredible food, hopefully before people get too curious and start adding human meat to the menu. Also curious as to what kind of black market could form when the only currency is "the ability to prepare other people's food".

[@rapdactyl]

I like that this is almost a vault-tec style experiment, with the objective of producing the most popular set of meals given a set of ingredients. But the true goal would be testing the black market of a place like that, and seeing how long it would take to add that extra 🌟spice🌟 after the test subjects got bored.

[@loorthedarkelf8353]

There's a huge difference between writing something to be read by a stranger, and writing something to be read aloud by you. When writing for the general population ( or as I term it, a stranger ) you have no idea what background information or bais they're walking in with that may make a great sussinct line incomprehensible. When writing to read aloud, asides and contex can be added as co hosts ask reasonable questions. I personally find this much less straining that writing for a stranger, who might ask ANY question, some of them extremely unreasonable, to the point that attempting to anticipate interpretation is by far the most laborious part of writing.

[@marocat4749]

I mean thats why some book reviewer on not good books say " read it out loud and see how it sounds" to like being far less akward d see if youhve to change something to make it less so. . ok misinterpretation, but that would make lot cringe lines better. I think artists have the same complaints with comissions, where vague comissions are way worse when people do complain when they didnt give enough references and info what thy want ad how, and complain "thats not what i wanted" , ten specify wht youwant wtf, ok i guess authors are artist :P

[@direktive4]

facebook started as a 'hot or not' rating thing, so turnabout is fair play

[@michaelrichter9427]

Alec Guiness was one of the most acclaimed actors of all time. But unbeknownst to many, he was also an avid user of opioid medication to help him get through the rigorous demands of his acting career. When he was offered the role of Obi-Wan Kenobi in the original Star Wars trilogy, he was already using opioids to help him cope with the pressures of being a Hollywood actor. But, with the limited access to opioid medication in the 70s, he had to make do with whatever he could get his hands on. But what if Alec Guiness had access to modern opioids when acting? It's likely he would have been able to perform at an even higher level, as the modern opioids are much more powerful and less addictive than the drugs of the 70s. He would have been able to stay focused, energized and creative for longer periods of time, enabling him to truly enter the mind and spirit of any character he chose to portray. Perhaps his performances would have been even more memorable and iconic than they already were. It's a tantalizing thought that will remain unanswered, as Alec Guiness sadly passed away in 2000, long before the opioid crisis of the 21st century. (Hallucinating Digital Parrot output, obviously.)

[@BluetheRaccoon]

To call modern opioids less addictive is incredibly dishonest.

[@mats8375]

Thanks, more people should watch it.

[@fkrkf]

Getting head nonconsensually from a unattached head has got to up there with the all time weirdest events in that screen queen's career

[@direktive4]

no glint in his eyes

[@rothloaf1980]

Alec Guinness was an old school morphine guy.

[@_NewtonMeter]

I love how Jamie discusses that movie lmfao

[@BenjaminGlatt]

Braincooked is actually just filled with the eggs of brain worms.

[@r.w.bottorff7735]

Algorithm boosting comment!

[@coolintruddle]

I had to stop using the Facebook. Although my feed was not really toxic, it was certainly brain numbing. Funny thing. I cannot physically remove the program from my phone. It's not that I can't figure out how, I simply am not allowed to.

[@jonnyblade3234]

My current phone is the first one I owned that let me delete the preinstalled Facebook app. Every other phone has only let me factory reset the app and disable it. Makes those complaints about TikTok hilarious to me

[@XschultzieX]

And there it is! My hometown getting mentioned because fascists wanted to do their little Nazi cosplay... Goddammit, Kenosha. We used to have stuff we could take a little pride in.

[@Morzox]

This woman played a cruel trick on you calling Pin a good movie, and I'm sad that I'm far too late to warn you against watching it. Having some tolerance to 80s schlock that scene from Re-Animator (which you are still very right to warn people about) didn't bother me half as much as the /deeply/ pervasive incestual sexual tension throughout Pin, because that movie was actually taking itself seriously. The movie where a nurse, unprompted, has sex with an anatomically correct medical anatomy model, took itself 100% seriously.

[@fishdude666ify]

Are you guys the voices for Alien Super Show on the Meidas network?

[@plateoshrimp9685]

Pin is a pretty good movie.

[@terbospeed]

I can imagine all of these services going pay/prem in the near future. The technocrats have a good head start and a lot of leverage though..

[@hiding_my_name]

I'm so confused by the #BehindTheBastardsJohnLandis tag. Can someone explain to me the meaning of this? i've listened to probably 50 episodes and still no idea what it means.

[@solomonverrico]

I cannot speak ill of a Jeff Combs movie, which is why I rarely talk about how utterly shite Faust Love of the Damned is. But I did watch Pin a few weeks ago. It's an older Canadian movie (1988) and to give you an idea, it stars David Hewlett long before he got involved with the Stargate TV franchise (he started in SG-1 and then was brought in as one of the main characters in Atlantis alongside some guy named Jason Momoa). Like, he's a kid in this. An adult kid, not like a child kid. The sister is played by Cynthia Preston whose filmography is only interesting to me because she was the voice of Princess Zelda in that really objectively bad Legend of Zelda cartoon that I'm oddly still protective of. Also the dad/pediatrician is played by an oddly un-creepy Terry O'Quinn from Lost despite having done The Stepfather the year before. And Pin himself is "voiced" by Jonathan Banks from a bunch of stuff but probably most notably the fixer Mike in Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. You can find it on KZbin as hosted by the current iteration of Creature Features.

[@MultiTrollface999]

when is the twitter files

[@miguelvelez7221]

Oh, he's covered Musk and his bullshit.

[@cameronmcleod8419]

A dive into Matt Taibbi's fall from competence would be pretty entertaining

[@katehartley2333]

I feel like a lot of your episodes subjects should be forced to watch The Green Knight. Or would the message fly over their heads?

[@shinyskunk]

I wish Zuckerberg got even half the amount of shit for his crimes that Elon does. Don't get me wrong, they're both complete soul-stained ghouls, but somehow despite doing WAY more harm to humanity as a whole, the average not-extremely-online person seems to view Zuckerberg as competent, even likable. It's infuriating.

[@marocat4749]

I always iked rosemaries baby, and thats not defending polnsky,iust love how it uses psycologi horror that fot the most part is her being gaslit and her needs being entirely ignored and she left alone.And how it for the most part even could just her imagining things due bein ggaslit and neglected, including her terrible husand talking over her concerns. screw him either way, and she is going through horror either way. Peak horror. Maybe because its realistic?! Anyways i think my favourite horror movie.

[@cowbatboots282]

First!

[@ignatiushazzard]

Rip

[@marocat4749]

Aaaamericaaaa :P ok late

[@cowbatboots282]

@@ignatiushazzard valid because I did indeed die. Rip in peace me.

[@cowbatboots282]

@@marocat4749 lmaoooo.

[@christopherpoff4117]

So... I don't disagree that Facebook is totally on the hook for facilitating things. But. We can't really absolve the people that chose to radicalize themselves.

[@smokedbeefandcheese4144]

I don’t know I feel like either we have to admit propaganda is an effective tool for social control which it seems to be. That’s why people invest in advertisements and stuff after all. Or it isn’t and these people were just assholes from the beginning. I’m sure there’s a little bit of a and a little bit of both things going on here. But I also think that people wouldn’t put so much money into propaganda if it didn’t work. It would be like if one of those bubble type scams like tulips or crypto went on forever. It wouldn’t work.

[@michaelbuehler3897]

*There is nothing wrong with the Re-Animator movie.*

[@BongRippingRiffLover51]

Trainspotting is a fantastic movie, but yeah, it's pretty much Ewan McGregor and his friends doing heroin and all the crazy stuff that happens in their lives as a result of being fucked up all the time.

[@pssurvivor]

How come jamie loftus keeps getting invited but woc like shireen etc don't?

[@theendisoverdue]

God you seem awful to know

[@thorinbane]

Objectifying woman is not okay and neither is objectifying men.

[@dc4825]

I'm yet to hear any valid argument about making and selling as product or service. I've never signed up but they are not a charity nor do they owe anyone anything. All corporate internal communications are normally brutal. The host knows this but plows on anyway.......

[@dc4825]

This reminds me more of TMZ than anything else if I'm being honest :P